WEBVTT - Sharri | 6 February 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:01.720 Why. 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:08.200 On Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.720 Tonight, Dutton calls for an inquiry, claiming the Prime Minister 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.440 wasn't trusted to be briefed on the terror threat of 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.720 the caravan filled with explosives. I'll speak about this with 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.120 Sarah Henderson Israeli Prime Minister benjaminette Yah, who says Trump's 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.560 vision for Gaza is the first good idea he's heard 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:27.880 and should be pursued. 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.000 My thoughts on this in a minute. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.680 And Google Dump's diversity hiring targets and yet another sign 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:38.199 we're seeing the end of the woke era. Matt Canavan 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.919 and Caroline Marcus will be here to discuss, Plus will 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.160 cross Live to London for the latest on the Sam 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.520 Kerk case. She's now claiming she was treated differently because 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.680 of her own skin color. And James Willis will join 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.800 me with the news from Antoinette Latoufe's lawsuit against the ABC. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.160 But first tonight, Peter Dutton has demanded iniary into why 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.520 the Prime Minister was kept in the dark about the 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:08.880 major terror threat of the caravan of explosives. Albanesi has 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.920 repeatedly refused to say when he was briefed on this 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.720 but The Australian reports that the Prime Minister and the 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.280 Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss were only briefed on the same 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:26.800 day the story went public. Now, the caravan contained enough 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:32.480 powergel explosives to create a forty meter blast wave. It 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.040 had the addresses of the Great Synagogue and the Jewish 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:41.560 Holocaust Museum inside, and Peter Dutton has said this could 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:46.880 have been Australia's largest mass casualty event. Thank god it wasn't. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:52.000 This is a matter of national security. Extra measures needed 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.440 to be taken to protect the community. Yet the Prime 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:00.880 Minister only found out about this major terror threat days 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.240 after it was uncovered, and nine days after Premier Chris 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.520 Mins was briefed. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.360 Darton says there now needs. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.359 To be an inquiry into why the Prime Minister didn't 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.320 know about this matter of critical importance. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.919 How can we conceive of a position where the Prime 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:25.240 Minister of our country is not aware of a planned 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.440 mass terrorist attack that could have resulted in a forty 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.640 meter blast zone and hundreds of people losing their lives. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.840 I think they're reasonable questions, not politically based. This is 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.399 a matter of national security and it can't be repeated. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.400 And I'm not aware of any precedent for it before, and. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.400 Peter Darton indicated that he'd heard that agencies were concerned 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.880 that Alban Easy might leak the information that perhaps the 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.000 Prime Minister couldn't be trusted. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.080 The New South Wales police have either made a deliberate 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.120 decision not to advise the Commonwealth so that the Prime 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.840 Minister wasn't advised because they were worried he was going 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:08.799 to leak the information. Beyond that, there's no other reasonable explanation. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:15.400 Now, this is important. This issue is critical to public safety. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.920 How can Alban Easy protect us from terror threats if 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.280 he doesn't know about them yet? The Prime Minister today 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.920 try to deflect by saying this was all the noise 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:27.799 and politics. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.000 I find it shocking that the Prime Minister of this 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.280 country wasn't alerted to an explosive Bladen caravan targeting Jewish sites, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.800 a threat with the potential to be Australia's largest terror event. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.280 You must have been absolutely livid that you weren't notified. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.720 Now you're making an incredible assumption there, Carl. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.120 You know what is important here. What's important here is. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.800 That we don't play politics with national security. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:02.120 It's not playing politics. It's about protecting Australians. He's meant 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.880 to be the leader and Albaneze he pretend that the 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.320 focus should be the investigation itself. Well, there can be 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.720 two things happening at the same time, the actual police 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:18.000 investigation and a separate inquiry into why he wasn't told. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.680 Would you support something like that or is there anything 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:21.240 to see here? 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:27.559 So stop the investigations, stop doing the work to track 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.280 down the perpetrators of these crimes, they engage in politics. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:33.240 All right, that's a note. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.240 All right, do you think that that is a sensible 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:37.760 use of resources? 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.080 How stupid does he think people are? No one is 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:48.120 suggesting the counter terrorism officers investigate why Albanese wasn't told. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.920 The suggestion is for a separate bureaucratic inquiry and it 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.000 wouldn't take long. But you could see the Prime Minister 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.840 was getting agitated the more questions were asked in that interview. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.400 He didn't like that line of questioning. Now, the call 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.039 for an inquiry first arose here last night when I 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.440 put it to Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. If 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.920 it would have been executed a terror attack that would 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.560 have had a forty meter blast wave and yet the 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.320 Prime Minister didn't know about it. There almost should be 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.719 an inquiry into what has gone on here because this 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:26.120 is a major failure of national security. It's a major 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.799 failure to protect Australian citizens. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.400 Do you think there should be an inquiry? 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.920 I strongly support an independent inquiry by an eminent national 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.200 security expert to get to the bottom of why the 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.600 Prime Mister didn't know, or when he did know, and 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:40.440 what he did about it. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.200 And then this afternoon we saw the Australian Federal Police 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:51.119 cover up on Albanese's behalf and repeat the same spin 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.960 that it's an operational matter when they were asked when 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:55.640 he was told. 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.440 Now, the idea that it's. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.000 An operational matter is of course utter non since or 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.599 Chris Mins wouldn't have been told, he wouldn't have felt 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.160 comfortable saying the date that he was briefed, he had 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.479 no problems saying that. But the reality is that alban Easy, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.640 the Prime Minister, doesn't seem interested in national security at all. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.159 If he was, he would have been. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:24.039 Having regular National Security Committee of Cabinet meetings on the 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.000 anti Semitism crisis. He would have been getting daily briefings 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.240 from the heads of AFP and ASIO on this issue 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.120 that hasn't been happening. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.919 Alban Easy just isn't interested. He doesn't think it's a 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:38.479 big deal. 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.680 And if Dunnan's information is right, well, it would be 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:47.680 highly concerning that the Prime Minister's own agencies don't trust 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:55.599 him enough to divulge top secret intelligence. Now, over the 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.800 past twenty four hours, we've seen the media, politicians and 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:05.640 commentators in meltdown over Donald Trump's idea to take over Gaza, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.240 and it's been fun to watch have a look at 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:08.720 some of it. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.640 When when one thought of the sort of catastrophic iterations 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.960 of Trump two point zero, this is the kind of 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.240 stuff that people imagined. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.720 Donald Trump is articulating America's foreign policy here in real 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.640 time in ways that I don't know to what extent 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:25.559 they can they be checked. 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.520 The coon that he uses is it's a demolition site. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.800 That's a real estate development term. It's a it's it's 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.239 it's the riviera of the Middle East that world people 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.240 will live there. It's going to create thousands of jobs. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.400 You're right, he's speaking about it as a real estate developer. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.960 The agency here, right, is the agency of the Palestinean 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.120 people are they going to be frog marched out of 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.080 their country by US forces as it's then rebuilt as 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:55.000 a as a riviera by presumably US property developers. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.120 Frog marched The critics are feeding off misconceptions. They are 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.080 claiming nick cleansing when Trump is speaking about a humanitarian 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.080 rebuild is ready. Prime Minister Benjaminette and Yahoo clarified some 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.280 of the points on this today, saying this wouldn't be 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.080 America getting involved in foreign fighting, a point I made 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:16.680 last night. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.520 He also said America wouldn't be paying for it. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.760 Have a look, Yeah, well, I don't think he talked 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.480 about sending you as troops to complete the job of 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.520 destroying Khamas. That's our commitment. That's our job, and we're 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.160 absolutely committed to it. And I also don't think he 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.360 said that he's going to fund it. He said that 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.640 neighboring states, wealthy states would do it. But the actual 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.600 idea of allowing for his Ghuzins who wanted to leave 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.000 to leave, I mean, what's wrong with that? They can leave, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.840 they can then come back, they can relocate and come back, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.679 but you have to rebuild. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.520 Ghaziv and Nata. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.560 Yahoo also said that he'll work through Trump's proposal, but 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.080 overall he endorsed it as a good idea. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.400 This is the first good idea that I've heard. It's 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.760 a remarkable idea, and I think it should be a 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:09.000 really pursued, examined, pursued and done because I think it 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.079 will create a different future for everyone. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.760 And that end line, there'll create a different future for everyone, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.520 and there does need to be a different future for everyone. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.360 Why should Israelis have to live next to terrorists who 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:28.280 have vowed to commit October seven over and over again. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:34.120 Why should any family, Jewish or Arab Muslim have to 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.800 live next to the terror threat? Because this isn't just 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:42.600 about Jews. Muslim and Thai hostages were taken on October 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:47.200 seven and were slaughtered as well in the devastating massacre 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:51.400 that took place on that dark day. In reality, this 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.200 isn't about building a Trump Tower on the Gaza Strip, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.160 although that would be an improvement from underground Hamas tunnels. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.720 This is about encouraging the Arab nations to step up 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:08.360 and be part of rebuilding Gaza free from Hamas. It's 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.400 a brighter vision than anyone else has dreamt up for 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:12.720 the Gaza strips so far. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.960 Today was one of the great days that we should 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.400 We will look back in decades to come and go 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.920 what this was one of the most amazing days in history. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.600 I was thrilled. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.680 Unlike the other people you spoke to, whoever they were, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.560 Andrew I was absolutely swinging from the chandelier and cracking 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.559 the bubbly. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.560 And saying, this is just an amazing day. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.120 Coastal resorts and condominiums have been away to wealth and 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.280 good jobs for lots of third world countries. If Gaza 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.440 had a leadership that was concerned with the welfare of 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.920 its own people, it would be trying to do this 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:52.080 itself in cooperation with Israel, instead of waging these insane 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.280 Islamist wars all the time against Israel, and. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.000 Instead of taking the billions of dollars in international aids 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.679 it has been given over the years and spending it 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:08.440 on terroraced infrastructure like tunnels and weapons now. Peter Dutton 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.360 today also praised Trump's vision. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.720 He's a big thinker and a deal maker. He's not 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.640 become the President of the United States for a second 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.760 time by being anything other than shrewd. People who dismissed 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:28.120 President Trump and say that he's not serious or whatever 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.480 derogatory comments they want to make. I just think it 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.200 defies the reality of the gravitac that he brings to 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:33.880 the situation. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.600 Director of Strategic Analysis Australia, Peter Jennings writes in The 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.480 Australian Today that Trump should be admired for wanting to 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.920 break the cycle of history. And he writes, and I'm 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.360 quoting here, the idea of turning the Strip into the 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.200 riviera of the Middle East is an ethmtter everything the 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.439 terror group stands for, including the idea that Garzans might 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.120 be released from the living hell of harmask control by 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.240 being allowed to pick up their lives in a different location. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.160 But perhaps that's what's behind all of this criticism and concern. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.760 Trump has a vision that just could work with the 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.160 involvement of the Arab nations. But perhaps the international community, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.280 like the United Nations, doesn't want to lift Palestinians out 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:32.240 of the endless cycle of poverty, victimhood and misery. And 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.200 for more on that, Peter Jennings himself joins me, Now, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.840 thank you very much for your time. Well, let's pick 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.840 up on that last point. Why do you think that 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.320 Hamas and the international community perhaps doesn't want Gaza to 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.720 be modernized, perhaps wants to keep Palestinians suffering. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.720 I think it's used as a way of attacking Israel, frankly, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.640 and it keeps alive and ideology which is never going 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:04.080 to work. From the river to the sea mentality show 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.840 that the Palestinian homeland is only going to be created 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.960 when Israel has wiped off the face of the map 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.040 and all the Jews are killed, and that's simply not 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.280 going to happen. And the price that Palestinians pay for 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.800 that ideology is that they and their children and their 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.120 grandchildren are sort of locked permanently into this concept of 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.440 being a refugee, never moving anywhere, only able to be 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.880 pawns in a game which is being played by the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:37.600 United Nations, hamas, terrorist groups, ran and the sort of 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.920 ideological left in the democracies, which has more fun doing 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.400 that to attack Israel than they really are concerned about 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.319 the lives of Palestinians. 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.360 Yeah, because we've seen they don't express the same concern 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.760 over the lives of people who are killed in other 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.319 parts of the world. There's silence, there's not protests on 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.600 the streets. We've seen that over and over again, Peter, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.000 I want to ask you about what would motivate maybe 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.560 Saudi Arabia or the Sunni Arab world to come on 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:12.040 board here with Trump's vision, And is this partly because 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.760 the greater enemy now is Iran. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.720 So something that wasn't noticed too much Shari and reporting 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.480 Trump's comments about Gaza was that only the day before 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.880 he signed a presidential directive into law saying that America 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.880 was not going to accept Iran getting nuclear weapons. And 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.920 there's a lot more detail to that, but really the 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.960 effect of that direction is to significantly constrain Iran's ambitions 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.440 as the prime funder, for example, of terrorism and anti 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.200 Israel behavior in the Middle East. Now, I think that 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.320 you've got to see that directive and Trump's comments on 0:14:54.440 --> 0:15:01.080 Gaza together. The thing that might motivate Saudi Jordan, Egypt, Syria, 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.760 a number of other Middle Eastern countries to at least 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.640 entertain a new discussion about what to do about the 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.160 Palestinians is if they can feel confident that Irana is 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.080 not going to become a nuclear power and dominate the region. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.520 So it's the combination of those two things which I 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.640 think is the really interesting factor here, And While everyone's 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.800 criticizing Trump in all sorts of hystorical ways. Really what 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.000 he's done is has just opened up a new conversation 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.040 we can now work out. Well, maybe there's a way 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.920 forward that's better than just rinse and repeat, you know, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.000 continuing the same cycle which has only led to violence 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.440 five attacks against Israel in twenty years. That cycle has 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.000 to be broken. So I think we should be welcoming, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.200 you know, highly unusual, but as always, that's what you 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.480 get with Trump. At least it's a new way of 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.520 trying to discuss a problem. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.720 At least it's wanting to end the status quo, because 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:02.840 you know, from the Alban Easy government, all we was ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.560 I mean if Nadanya, who had listened to that, and 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.000 of course he never would have, the Hamas leader would 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.600 still be alive, the Hesbala leader would still be alive. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.040 Israel would be in a much weakened state. Peter, I 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.560 want to pick up on something else you wrote in 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:21.000 your piece, which I thought was really fascinating and exposes 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:25.720 actually the danger underneath this idea. You write how Palestinians 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:31.600 are burdened by an ideology that and This is driven 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.920 by people outside who will never live in Gaza, that 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.200 their children and grandchildren will forever be refugees, and that 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:43.680 displacing Jews in Israel is the only solution to their 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:48.440 plight river to the sea. So this is actually a 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.800 one state solution, really, isn't it. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.080 Yes, so one state solution, and it's going to be 0:16:55.200 --> 0:17:00.560 the Hamas state. That's the ideology again. Another reason why 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.440 I think the Albanesi government's position is intellectually bankrupt on 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:11.359 the Gaza issue is that there is no Palestinian authority 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.880 entity which is actually interested in negotiating a two state 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.080 solution with Israel right now. There have been a number 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:21.720 of occasions when Israel would have been more than prepared 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.320 to have that discussion, including by the way, when they 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.920 handed Gaza over to the Palestinians some twenty years ago, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.560 and that simply hasn't happened. And one has to ask, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.560 you know, why is it that, uniquely in the world, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.160 the Palestinians must be condemned to always be refugees when 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:44.840 you know, the whole post war experience, including most obviously 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.760 with Jews Shari, was that refugees moved to New Homeland 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.639 and settled there. So you know, I'm not saying that 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.840 means to say that Gaza and the West Bank Khana 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.640 in some way become part of a new Palestinian homeland. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.320 But maybe that's not enough. Maybe we need to think 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.760 about other options that add land to that from Middle 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.919 Eastern countries. That's partly what President Trump was talking about. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.960 And we break this idea that generations of people are 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.520 condemned to be called refugees because the UN and other 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.320 agencies insists that that's what they should be. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.879 Yeah, more further evidence why the United Nations is broken. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.960 Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your time. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:25.760 Thanks. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.040 Okay, let's bring in our national Senator Matt Canavan and 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.640 Sky New senior reporter Caroline Marcus. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.959 Welcome to you both. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.000 Look, I want to turn to this quite big news 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:42.719 today that Google has abandoned its diversity hiring quotas and requirements, 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.160 as of course, follows President Trump's move to defund DEI programs. 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.919 Now Back in twenty twenty, Google wanted to increase the 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.159 number of diversity hires by thirty percent. They called it 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.520 an aspirational hiring goal. Well, that goal is now over. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.919 In an email to all staff the Google chief executive, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.440 so that they're now committed to hiring the best people 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.639 wherever we operate, create an environment where everyone can thrive 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.400 and be treated fairly. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:11.680 Matt Canavan. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.239 I mean, this shouldn't be revolutionary, but it is, isn't it. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.959 Yeah, Look, it's amazing, isn't it, Shari, that something as 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:25.120 simple as effectively a paraphrasing of Martin Luther King's junior's 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.280 famous words is sort of revolutionary and radical. You know, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.760 I thought we got there and we all did believe 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.800 that people should be judged by their character, not the 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.080 color of their skin, or the vast majority of people did, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.520 and then we've gone through this weird period which culminated 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.119 in the Black Lives Matter movement and kneeling before everybody 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.000 where it became again almost like pre Civil War days, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.920 that you were judged by your bloodline, effectively how much 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.040 of particular content you had in your ancestry and history. 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.080 So look, hopefully we can consign this period to the 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.159 dust bin of history. Unfortunately, I think the dregs of 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:02.800 it are still with us here in this country. We 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.439 still have something called the Gender Equality Agency, which requires 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.800 almost every business in this country to fill out forms 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.800 and forms and forms, and we just got to get 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.560 rid of all this form filling in our country. Focus 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.240 on what matters again, focus on doing a good job 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.920 as business people or whatever we do in our lives. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.520 And yeah, get back to judging people on merit. Merit 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.520 should be the yardstick. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.760 Absolutely, and it is DEI is alive and well in 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.280 Camber and all of the Canberra departments, Caroline. 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:29.480 But it's not just Google. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.480 Amazon as well dump their diversity targets back in December. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.880 So it does seem to be a movement hasn't quite 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:37.960 hit Australia yet. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.080 I agree with Matt. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.080 No, it will take a while to trickle down. And 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.280 while we have a labor government in charge, I dare 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.919 say it's probably not going to happen because they've fully 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:48.640 signed up. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:49.680 To this sort of stuff. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.040 But I do see this as the beginning of the 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.520 end of woke. And the fact is that if the 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.199 tech giants who were so against Trump for so long 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.840 during his first presidency, during the Biden administration, you know, 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:09.879 censoring stories about Biden's sons laptop, and they were fully 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.200 on board with that kind of stuff. If that even 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.480 they have come to the Party in support of Trump. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.680 You know, big things are changing, but we've seen, look, 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:24.040 we've seen this crazy diversity inclusion stuff takeover almost every 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:29.640 sector of life, from even our public broadcaster. We heard 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.560 in court today during Antoinette Latouf's case that she was 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.679 hired as part of the ABC's diversity policy because she 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.119 was identified as a future presenter due to her Lebanese 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:43.040 Christian heritage. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.480 And look at the headaches. 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.080 That hire has caused the ABC to hire a pro 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.600 Palestinian activist just because. 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.679 She would be a good diversity. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.920 High Absolutely, and it's problematic in some fields. I mean 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:59.479 we saw with the Los Angeles fires recently, the diversity picks. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.920 I mean, you know, there are some. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.240 Occupations and look, maybe are a very strong women, and 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.560 there are very strong women out there, no question I'm 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.760 not one of them. But you know there are some 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.760 jobs that you know, some people would just be better 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.520 suited to it, and you can't force others into those occupants. 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.280 When I worked for Sunday newspaper, Shoy Quickly, i am 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.359 the editor, mc carroll asked me to try out for 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:29.560 a firefighter job and I failed in every physical category. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.720 So even that firefighter you talked about that firefighting chief 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.639 talking about the fact that if someone challenged her on 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:38.680 not being able to carry them out of a house, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.679 you would say, well, you were in the wrong place. 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.720 I mean, that's that's the level of. 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.119 Our the excellence that we're striving to war Jockey all right, Well, 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.120 the Minerals Council and the energy industry are both stepping 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.680 up a campaign over Chris Bowen's eighty two percent renewable 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:54.680 target by. 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.000 Twenty thirty now. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.760 Matt the Minerals Council has described it as this target 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.160 as a pet project for Chris bowl. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.840 And he's not going to meet it anyway. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.879 Is unrealistic, isn't it? 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:09.239 It is? 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.280 And look if it was just simply a number and 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.080 a dream and a vision, and perhaps wouldn't do so 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.480 much damage. But what this actually does is drive the 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.760 investments that you're all asked to pay for in our 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.280