1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot. 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: It's Friday, October three, twenty twenty five. A defense treaty 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: between Australia and Papua New Guinea will be signed as 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: early as next week, following weeks of delays. It's a 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: big win for Anthony Albanesi, who'll attend the NRL Grand 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Final in Sydney this weekend with his P and G 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: counterpart James Marape. The treaty requires both countries to respond 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: to threats from the common Danger and opens the door 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: for pup ones to join the Australian Defense Force. Its 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: last drinks for a Sydney pub baron. Investors who poured 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: millions of dollars into the Public Hospitality Group are unlikely 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: to recoup their cash after founder John Ajimus declared bankruptcy. 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: And what about the boss. He'll never run a company again. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: That's today's episode. Friday Night in Sydney, workers shake off 15 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: the week with a wine or a beer at one 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: of the city's many beloved pubs. If you pulled up 17 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: a chair at one of those pubs at some point 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: in the past decade, there's a good chance it was 19 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: owned by John Agimus, the high flying founder of the 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Public Hospitality group. 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: John is a kind of larger than life character. I mean, 22 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: there's a kind of pantheon of publicans in this world. 23 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: You've got justin Ham's, You've got the Lawndies. I think 24 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: John definitely aspired to be amongst them. 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: David Ross is a reporter with The Australian. 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: He is very much a man known for nice cars, 27 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: hot girlfriends, nice watchers. I spoke to a former colleague 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: of his once who said that he was well known 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: for being a bit of a figure on the dating circuit. 30 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: You know, he's the kind of man about town. So 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: the first story I wrote on John was a feature 32 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: for The Australian's Property section. Looking at John Agemus, you know, 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: he was this big new thing. He basically burst onto 34 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: the scene during COVID, when all of a sudden there 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: were all these big deals being done to buy pubs 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: and there was basically one buyer and that was John. Now. 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: He snapped up the Norfolk Hotel, he snapped up the 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: Manor House, the Oxford House, and the biggest one I've 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: all was Noah's in Bondai was a huge sum that 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: he put down on that I really put his name 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: on the map when he bought Noah's Weird. The Australian 42 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: wanted to get us sense of who was this man 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: who was going around Sydney buying every pub he possibly could. 44 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: And the first time I met him, you know, I 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: literally walked in and we had a parmer. That's quite 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: a way to meet a publican really. 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: But this week the Agimus empire came crashing down as 48 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: his venues were seized by administrators. Agimus declared bankruptcy, saying 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: he accepts responsibility for the historic collapse. 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: And we know that John knows probably about one point 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: eight billion dollars, which would make him amongst the most 52 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: broke people in Australia at the moment. There is a 53 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: little bit of room in that number. There's some suggestion 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: that it's a kind of reflection of a bit of 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: double counting by some of the lenders. You know, we 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: can certainly say that he owes a hell of a 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: lot more than most people. 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: The Australian Tax Office is circling two. In August, The 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: Australian reported the ATO was investigating allegations of a potentially 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: fraudulent GST scheme connected to John Agimus's companies. That means 61 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: he could be on the hook for a further three 62 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: John had a ninety five foot yacht, the Hallani, which 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: is owned by Shirley Temple. He was living in the 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Bang and Olson House in Point Piper for quite some time, 66 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: and then he's now recently moved to Bondi where he's 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: living in will Vicker's penthouse apartment. 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Argimus's yacht has been sold and his mansions have been seized. 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: As we know, had about three dollars seventy ninety in 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: these bank accounts. It's a little hard to imagine how 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: all of these luxuries could be afforded given how little 72 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: was in his accounts. The bankruptcy trustees for John have 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: said that about fifteen million dollars was taken from the 74 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: pub's business, some of which went to fund John's lifestyle, 75 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: in addition to a wage that he paid himself out 76 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: of that business. And in fact we know that the 77 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: rent on his bond iPad was being paid for by 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: one of the companies that John was a controller of, 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: so it's quite clear that this luxury lifestyle was being 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: funded through this pub's business and through this property enterprise. 81 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: So, David, how did this happen? What do you know 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: about the way John Agumis ran his businesses that allowed 83 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: him to get in this. 84 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: Deep You know, in days past, people borrowed money from 85 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: banks and it was clearer who owed money to who. 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: John's model was about borrowing money from private credit lenders. Archibald, Jemmy, 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: your Quay, Angus Securities. These are just some of the 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: names that John knows money to, and quite often these 89 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: private credit lenders were being worked with and not. John 90 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: is not unique a lot in doing this alone. There 91 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: are others who've done this, but you know, they were fast, 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: they didn't ask too many questions, they didn't require too 93 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: much documentation, and when it all came crashing down, it 94 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: became quite clear that they had all lent on the 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: same stuff and probably didn't realize that they had done this. 96 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: A lot of the loans on these pubs were funded 97 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: on a at complete valuation. That's where you're borrowing as 98 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: though it's finished, but often it's not. The vine in 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: Collingwood in Melbourne is still a bomb site. The Saint 100 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: was opened, it's now closed Noah's in Bondai. It's never 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: reopened since John bought it. There are so many on 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: this list that were borrowed on an at complete valuation 103 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: that have never been completed. 104 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: For months, John Agimus has been trying to stop these 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: chickens from coming home to roost. At one point, his 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: proposed solution relied on a cash top up from his 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: mum and sister, but it was rejected by lenders, and 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: so he beat everyone to the punch by declaring bankruptcy. 109 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: John didn't want to be made bankrupt because if you 110 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: get made bankrupt, you end up driving in this and 111 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: micro and you can't leave the country. So what he 112 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: did is he put up this thing called personal Insolvency Agreement, 113 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: and it's basically a deal which says, if you don't 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: make me bankrupt, I'll do this. And so John proposed 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: that his mum and his sister would give him some 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: money and that money would be then distributed amongst his 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: creditors and they would get a zero point one point 118 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: five cents return and the dollar. It meant that he 119 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to give up his cars, but he would 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: give up certain things, some artwork. The three dollars seventy 121 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: nine on his bank account. But now that's all off 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: the table because John has pulled the tregeground his own bankruptcy. 123 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: The plan is over and it's all the play for. 124 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: So bankruptcy can solve many problems, but it can't solve 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: them all, one of which is an allegation of a fraud. 126 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that this is true, and obviously these 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: things would have to be reproved in court, but there 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: appears to be some allegations of a very serious GST 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: fraud that has happened in companies that John controlled or 130 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: controls by making himself bankrupted. These do not go away, 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: and they will remain to be investigated. Liquidatas are investigating 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: these companies. But people here are going to take an 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: absolute bath. Like it's looking from the current returns from 134 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: the last set of reports, they're going to get zero 135 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: point zero six cents in the dollar return. So if 136 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: you gave John ten bucks, you get zero point six cents. 137 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: It's nothing. So these investors are going to get nothing 138 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: and they're all being burned. Whereas if this was a bank, 139 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: the bank would wear the loss. 140 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: Coming up, John Agimis's journey from deal maker to bankruptcy. 141 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: John Argimis's spectacular fall from financial grace puts him up 142 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: there with some of the biggest bankruptcies in Australian history. 143 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: Corporate high flyer Alan Bond is once again a free man. 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: He was originally jailed in nineteen ninety seven for four 145 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: years after being convicted of the frauding Bell Resources of 146 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: more than one billion dollars. In Business News, the chase 147 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: for Christopher S CAS's millions is unveiling some surprises. Some 148 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: of the best accounting minds in the country are now 149 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: focusing on the web of companies that Skate set up 150 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: to surround his Quintex operation. 151 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: At one point, Agimus had dozens of properties and venues 152 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: to his name. 153 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: It's a little difficult to establish, and I have kind 154 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: of used the phrasing more than twenty two venues. However, 155 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: it has become clear that there were these other property 156 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: things that John had picked up along the way and 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: glued into this empire. There was a rooming house in Annandale, 158 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: there was a block of flats in Paddington. There's a 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: block of land out in hurst Field that he had 160 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: plans to build a praishon. You know, at its peak 161 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: it was a very large business with quite a number 162 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: of operating pubs or pubs were renovation projects or construction projects. 163 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 2: You know, there were these kind of little bits and 164 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: pieces of property that John had assembled along the way. 165 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Ajimus got his start as a deal maker at KPMG, 166 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: where he oversaw the floating of outdoor retailer Katmandu on 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: the Stock Market and the acquisition of Neil Perry's Rockpool 168 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: restaurant Group. He made the jump to property development later, 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: but his plan to build a sixty story tower on 170 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Sydney's Lower North Shore also fell over. Undeterred, Adimis gathered 171 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: up his various venues and launched the Public Hospitality Group 172 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic. 173 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: It is a brave thing to do to open a 174 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: pub's business during COVID. Even after the pandemic ended, there 175 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: were kind of restrictions on how many people could be 176 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: in these places. The borders were closed. And this was 177 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: not a gaming business. Most people do pubs to make 178 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 2: money off poke machines, especially in the South Wales. The 179 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: Public Hospitality Group model was not a gaming business. It 180 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 2: was a drink, dine and destination business. You stayed upstairs. 181 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,479 Speaker 2: You know this was the kind of return to hotels 182 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: as hotels under John. You know he recreates all these 183 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: hotel rooms upstairs and a lot of his venues sets 184 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: something new. Restaurants downstairs puts more than just two is 185 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: on tap. You know that was the model. 186 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: David Ross is a business reporter with The Australian. You 187 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: can read all his reporting about the end of the 188 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Agumus Empire right now at the Australian dot com dot 189 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: au