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Speaker 1: Approache production.

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Speaker 2: For the record.

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Speaker 1: I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable for the record.

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Speaker 1: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for your for

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Speaker 1: the record.

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Speaker 3: Laugh on me going.

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Speaker 1: Hard the way for the record. Ain't trying to link,

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Speaker 1: No trying to waste for the.

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Speaker 4: Record, for the record, for the for the record, for

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Speaker 4: the record, for the record, record for the record.

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Speaker 1: I don't try and make you uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to your Click podcast. This is Jay Brent's producer,

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Speaker 2: and you would have heard in the last episode Brent

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Speaker 2: and stories about really from six years old to seventeen.

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Speaker 2: We pick up the chat with Brent around his first

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Speaker 2: time walking in to Long Bay Jail as an eight

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Speaker 2: eight year old.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can ever prepare yourself for what

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Speaker 5: Jaile's like to go into, especially as a young person.

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Speaker 5: You shitting yourself, you know, Like I knew how the

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Speaker 5: system worked, I knew how to get myself around. I

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Speaker 5: and big note on you to shut my mouth and

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Speaker 5: just fucking you know, keep your eyes sort of to

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Speaker 5: the ground, but you know, put your back in the

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Speaker 5: corner and just don't worry about anyone else's doing.

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Speaker 3: Just do your own, jar. I don't think it could.

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Speaker 5: Be prepared for what really happened because at that time

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Speaker 5: I over my Lap had just been arrested. So he

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Speaker 5: was in seven wing at the ric at Long Bay,

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Speaker 5: and I didn't know who the fuck over my Lap

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Speaker 5: out of him for free nights, and I had no

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Speaker 5: idea the basic goal, mate, do you know?

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Speaker 3: Do you know who that bloke is?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: And they're starting to tell me and one of the

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Speaker 5: sweepers comes up and he said, listen. He said, I'm

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Speaker 5: going to get you out of that cell. And I said, well,

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Speaker 5: is it really? He goes man, I'm going to get

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Speaker 5: you out of that cell. The fact then, you know,

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Speaker 5: I was in the presence of Lenny McPherson, con Contranarcus,

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Speaker 5: A lot of the big players from the Cross back

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Speaker 5: then were there. You know, you had some very very

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Speaker 5: hectic and dangerous men. Nine wing was a transit wing,

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Speaker 5: but you know blokes that were doing ten plus years

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Speaker 5: and it was it was very dangerous, very dangerous, and

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Speaker 5: a long Bay there was a circle, so to get

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Speaker 5: a circle. It'd be like gate up, chief and the

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Speaker 5: chief of come where you're going. I'm gonna go to

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Speaker 5: the pill shoot or whatever. The next minute, boom and

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Speaker 5: blokes would jump in and out of yards. I just

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Speaker 5: picked up on that. It's not something that I did.

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Speaker 5: I just observed a lot, you know, and no matter

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Speaker 5: If you walked out in that circle, every yard could

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Speaker 5: see you. So if you had bad blood, or you

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Speaker 5: It's as simple as that. For an eighteen year old

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Speaker 5: going into DAH, I was like, Wow, where am I?

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Speaker 3: You know this is? This is pretty heavy?

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Speaker 6: Did you know anyone in I knew a couple of

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Speaker 5: You know, somebody in that sort of element. I guess

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Speaker 5: if you're finally going to find it very hard to

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Speaker 5: a lot of politics in jail. You know, it really

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Speaker 2: What are those some of those more dangerous moments that

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Speaker 5: There's been stabbings, bashings, you know, this the whole thing

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Speaker 5: of raping all that's all shit. I mean, it happens,

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Speaker 5: It's happened, and you know it did happen in the system,

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Speaker 3: But I never seen any of that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of violence, heavy, heavy violence. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean you've seen stretchers come out of the yard

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Speaker 5: and cross the circle. And as I said, Nine Wing

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Speaker 5: in particular, a long way back then was extremely dangerous.

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Speaker 5: It was a transit unit. So you know, if you

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Speaker 2: That was your first stint? How long?

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Speaker 2: And then you get out? Yeah what do you do?

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Speaker 2: What else is there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Now, I look, I just got out and basically

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Speaker 5: I started moving around a lot more in different circles.

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Speaker 3: I always was quite handy with making money, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was always around people that utilized drugs.

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Speaker 5: You know, back then, the rave scene had just kicked off,

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Speaker 5: so ecstasy was just starting to become very very popular,

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Speaker 5: and you know the little brown Calais splits and baby

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Speaker 5: splits and all these little white ghosts and the best,

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Speaker 5: the best that they ever was, let's not fuck around.

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Speaker 5: They were the cleanest, best, most expensive little ping as

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Speaker 5: obviously got caught for. Again, you know, the violence continued.

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Speaker 5: I had a lot a lot more of grievous bodily

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Speaker 5: in and out of jail. I had then gone up

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Speaker 5: you know it was like a revolving door for years

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Speaker 2: Out of all of the jails, you've been in. Is

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Speaker 5: I think they were all bad in their own right.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, look, if you can say that you

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Speaker 5: didn't mind I didn't mind Long Bay, I suppose because

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Speaker 5: you know, even the last sentence I got in two

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Speaker 5: thousand and nine, you know, I went straight to Long

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I knew where I was, I knew the familiarity of

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Speaker 2: What is it about that place?

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Speaker 5: Fucked?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 5: Look, you know the history of the place is one,

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Speaker 3: Just a real dark, terrible place. It's now.

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Speaker 5: It's not like the other jails where you have open air,

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Speaker 5: I guess, a lot of fences. You literally you're just

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Speaker 1: In Grafton Jails, five Wing in June last year, and

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Speaker 1: the prisoner on the floor has reported an assault, only

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Speaker 5: It's small compact and everybody's basically on top of each other,

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Speaker 5: and there's a lot going on in a small space.

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Speaker 2: You've told me about and I've heard you talk about

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Speaker 7: Just don't do it. It's something that you just don't do.

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Speaker 7: If you get caught, you put your hand up. And

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Speaker 7: that's as simple as art. And you never ever talk

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Speaker 7: out of school. You don't give anyone up.

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Speaker 5: You know, like there's not another man or woman or

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Speaker 5: anybody that's ever done a day's jail over me. Ever

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Speaker 5: made My last sentence, you know, was me arrested. And

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Speaker 5: that's how it was simple as that, you know, and

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Speaker 5: that was a ten year sentence I was looking at.

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Speaker 5: So I did the crime, I did the time. That's

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Speaker 5: all it needs to be said. I can't speak for today.

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Speaker 5: My life is very different today, but from what I see,

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Speaker 5: the caliber and I'm not bagging anyone out there that's

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Speaker 5: listening to this, but it's very different to what I

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's morals and old school ways in reference to what

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Speaker 2: We are ever scared. Look, I was.

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Speaker 5: Definitely scared, especially the first time going in. You bump

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Speaker 5: into a lot of people you know over the periods

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Speaker 5: of time are going but you know, you do things

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Speaker 5: There's no there's no reason to have any bad blood.

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Speaker 5: So you know, you help each other out and there

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Speaker 5: of there. Whatever it is, you try and just do

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Speaker 5: as simple as that. There's no there's not. Like I said,

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Speaker 5: you can't hide. And everybody is vulnerable in the system.

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Speaker 5: And I've said this before. You know, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Who you are.

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Speaker 5: If someone don't want to, someone has a beef with you,

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Speaker 5: or there's a serious problem, it's got to be confronted

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Speaker 2: You're in and out of jail over a long stretch

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Speaker 2: a motorcycle gang. I did, Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 5: And look, just to set the record straight on that

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Speaker 5: too for me. And I know this will leave you know,

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Speaker 5: people with an open minor sort of thing, But for me,

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Speaker 5: I was that young bloke that was chasing that brotherhood.

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Speaker 3: I needed a family.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to feel I belong and back then I had,

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Speaker 5: I guess, proven myself without big note in myself with it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'd proven myself I was capable, willing, and able,

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Speaker 5: I was being accepted at a very young age. Like

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Speaker 5: I said, there was a particular club that not wanted

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Speaker 5: to nom me up at seventeen, but I wasn't going

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Speaker 5: to be nominal up at seventeen.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, early twenties, I'm hanging out, you know, with.

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Speaker 5: Another outfit, and I don't regret a minute of it,

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Speaker 5: you know, would I would? I personally want to be

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Speaker 5: law is and the bullshit and the consortment and all that.

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Speaker 5: And look, I can't escape from you know, my charges

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Speaker 5: commercial importation, robberies like I can't escape that. So you know,

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Speaker 5: for me, to sit down with you as a brother

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Speaker 5: that you know, I just want to go and have

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Speaker 5: You know, you eat together, you root together, you drink together.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I'm sure there's people out there that

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Speaker 3: It's just because I'm not wearing that patch, you know.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever almost die in your criminal life?

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Speaker 5: I never ever thought I'd make it to twenty one.

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Speaker 5: like you know, there's been stab wings all from my

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Speaker 5: But a particular moment that I was in a bar

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Speaker 5: so the hammer's just gone, bang clink. I knew exactly

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Speaker 3: And I had a drink and I remember.

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Speaker 5: Staring him in the eyes and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 5: And I couldn't take my eyes off him, and I

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Speaker 5: And I don't know what come over that person, but

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Speaker 5: if I'm gonna pull a gun on you, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: fucking shoot you. You don't pull a gun on somebody

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Speaker 3: How big of a dickhead do you look?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 5: But at that moment, I truly felt that it could

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Speaker 5: Like you get a person in a frantic moment who's

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Speaker 5: There's many blokes out there that will do it, you know.

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Speaker 5: But you're not gonna know what's coming, you know what

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Speaker 5: I fucking shoot you in a public place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just a goose outside of the criminal life.

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Speaker 2: You almost died eighty months.

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Speaker 3: Ago work yeah, fuck, that was tough.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what happened.

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Speaker 5: So I sis, as you.

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Speaker 2: Clean you out of jail, you lived, lad.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's go back to what I did before that,

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Speaker 5: like i'd come out of jail. Take it right back.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I wanted to find out why you went to

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Speaker 5: So I got done for commercial importation and I copped.

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Speaker 5: How much was it? What was it? Three kilos? Three

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Speaker 5: I'd come. I had been somewhere and I something went

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Speaker 5: wrong with a consignment company. And I had a phone

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Speaker 5: at that stage, and I'll speak about this is public knowledge,

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Speaker 2: At that stage, I'm going.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no nah. And that's all I'll

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 5: I had to go through with it and close the book.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I did.

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Speaker 5: I did my time for my crime, that's all I'll say.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I went to this particular shipping container and

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Speaker 5: my house got raided. Was massive up here, it was huge.

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Speaker 5: They had the Feds all over everything. And I flew

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Speaker 5: it was just fucking no one there. There was nothing there,

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Speaker 5: I thought. I literally thought that if I could get

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Speaker 5: get was there and get it out.

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Speaker 2: I was sweet.

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Speaker 5: I was off and I deal with the rest later.

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Speaker 5: That was how I was thinking initially. I wasn't thinking

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Speaker 5: But I was committed to it, and that's all there

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Speaker 5: to the fucking hell clink clink. Shipping containers come off

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Speaker 5: and I've turned it around and what was dim headlights

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Speaker 3: There came about.

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Speaker 5: Fucking thirty other fucking headlights and I'm telling you, these

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Speaker 5: Next minute, I'm hog tired and fucking I've got a

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Speaker 5: you were gay.

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Speaker 5: Poor Blake got ripped out of the car that was

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Speaker 5: And there I remember him standing on my face in

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Speaker 5: yas what's your name?

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Speaker 2: Said?

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Speaker 5: You just fucking said it, you idiot.

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Speaker 3: Next minute he.

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Speaker 5: Says, driven that fucking GP into the side of your

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Speaker 5: And he's got me a lexit in my hands, a

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Speaker 5: over and he goes, oh, let's see he's right, he's right,

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Speaker 5: because these are all ballied up. You know, like these

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Speaker 5: the FED comes over and he goes, yeah, he's right,

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Speaker 5: sit him up. He's hall I Brent bomb sergeant fucking

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Speaker 5: you state your name?

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Speaker 3: I said no.

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Speaker 5: He goes, well, you need I said, don't need to

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Speaker 5: state ship? I said, you know who I fucking am

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Speaker 5: you here. You're arresting me. I said, you've done your homework.

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Speaker 5: So this is fucking girl.

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Speaker 2: It's cold.

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Speaker 5: So we're going to take you back to the Federal

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Speaker 3: I saida fucking not.

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Speaker 5: He goes, so you're I said, mate, you've got me.

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Speaker 3: I'm pinched.

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Speaker 5: It's a controlled delivery. What do you want me to say?

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Speaker 5: I'm guilty whatever it is. From here on in, we'll

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Speaker 5: wait for the brief. I'll go and sit and custody

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Speaker 5: because it was bar refused. It was way too much

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Speaker 5: real smart. Here he goes, mate, yeah, you're looking at

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Speaker 5: what's going on here? What are these counts know, and

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, did I know? I didn't know?

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Speaker 3: I'm sweet, Nah, I'm right.

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Speaker 5: I sort of was trac him back in about a

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Speaker 3: Just said, no, man, I don't give a fuck, you know.

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Speaker 5: He said, oh, we're going to take you back to

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Speaker 3: And I thought, well, go for it.

437
00:21:43,481 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: So I gets back there and they hear me over

438
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,041
Speaker 5: to the state police and then next thing they turn

439
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,481
Speaker 5: around and say, fucking.

440
00:21:52,201 --> 00:21:53,241
Speaker 3: Have you had something to eat?

441
00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:56,881
Speaker 5: I said nah, And I was like here again, I'm

442
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,241
Speaker 5: on you. They're going to fucking try and button me up, right.

443
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 5: They went from good Cot to bag Cut. I was

444
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:05,081
Speaker 5: fucking starving. I was pissed off. My wife at the

445
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,761
Speaker 5: time was pregnant, well, my partner she now she was

446
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,921
Speaker 5: four and a half five months pregnant with their middle child. Yeah,

447
00:22:12,961 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 5: so you've already got one, and yeah, I have an

448
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,641
Speaker 5: old one for the next partner, who's twenty one, and

449
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,801
Speaker 5: daughter who was born Stan Petter's thirteen and Keishan he's

450
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,001
Speaker 5: ten and she was pregnant. So it all start once

451
00:22:26,041 --> 00:22:28,241
Speaker 5: I'd sort of lost that facade in front of the Cobbs,

452
00:22:28,241 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 5: and it started to sort of make me ponder a bit.

453
00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:34,841
Speaker 5: You know, I'm thinking, fuck, I'm gone anyway, I want

454
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,001
Speaker 5: to call me solicitor. And he goes, yeah, mate, nowherries,

455
00:22:38,041 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 5: we'll let you do that. And he goes, you're hungry,

456
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 5: and I said yeah, yeah, So do you want Maca's mate?

457
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: And I said, fuck, yeah, guys, what do you want?

458
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:46,521
Speaker 5: I said, Oh, I thought I won't be rude. I'd

459
00:22:46,561 --> 00:22:48,601
Speaker 5: just get me whatever whatever he got chief and he goes,

460
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,921
Speaker 5: all right, mate, i'll get you you want a coke?

461
00:22:49,961 --> 00:22:50,961
Speaker 2: I said yeah, yeah.

462
00:22:51,041 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 5: So I come back with a quarter pound and fucking

463
00:22:53,321 --> 00:22:55,521
Speaker 5: chips and a cake and I'm loving it. So I

464
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 5: think you're stupid cuts. So I'm sitting there eating it.

465
00:22:58,681 --> 00:23:00,761
Speaker 5: Little fucking did I know? They were just trying to

466
00:23:00,801 --> 00:23:03,321
Speaker 5: fucking over. So I gets back there and he's made

467
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,961
Speaker 5: me calm down. By this stage, I've eaten.

468
00:23:06,041 --> 00:23:06,521
Speaker 3: I'm tired.

469
00:23:06,561 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 5: It's been about a big night, you know, and it

470
00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:10,041
Speaker 5: was a long, long night to go.

471
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:14,161
Speaker 3: And he comes over and he goes, oh, that phone.

472
00:23:13,961 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 5: Call I said, yeah, yeah, chief. He goes, did you

473
00:23:17,201 --> 00:23:18,801
Speaker 5: want to ring? Who do you want to ring? I said, look,

474
00:23:18,801 --> 00:23:20,921
Speaker 5: I need to ring my solictener and he goes, watch

475
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:22,521
Speaker 5: a solicitor's name. I'll give him the name, and he

476
00:23:22,561 --> 00:23:25,961
Speaker 5: comes for you. Guess yeah, no, luck their mate. Unfortunately,

477
00:23:27,041 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 5: there's a conflict of interest.

478
00:23:29,321 --> 00:23:29,881
Speaker 2: I said what.

479
00:23:31,521 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the federal police think that you know, you're

480
00:23:34,241 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 5: solicitor might be involved. Fucking bullshit. So this was the

481
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 5: beginning of the mind games, right. So one I couldn't

482
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,721
Speaker 5: get any legal representation, so they just fucked me over

483
00:23:43,761 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 5: and hung me there for ages. Next thing, you know,

484
00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 5: I said, what about my wife? Oh yeah, and I

485
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,961
Speaker 5: said nah. And I didn't know this stage that her

486
00:23:53,961 --> 00:23:57,321
Speaker 5: poor parents had just been raided. Our house had just

487
00:23:57,321 --> 00:24:01,361
Speaker 5: been like it was simultaneous, and they just smashed everything.

488
00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:01,801
Speaker 2: It was.

489
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,641
Speaker 5: It was terrible for them, they like to this day.

490
00:24:04,761 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 5: It was and something that you know, any of them

491
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 5: needed to go through. And that's probably one of my

492
00:24:09,561 --> 00:24:14,001
Speaker 5: main regrets, besides not seeing my son born. But yeah,

493
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,401
Speaker 5: so anyway, I managed to end up getting a call

494
00:24:16,481 --> 00:24:18,921
Speaker 5: and I'll never forget my father in law.

495
00:24:19,721 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: He answers the phone, and I says, can I speak

496
00:24:21,721 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: to say no, no, fucking way to you.

497
00:24:24,961 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 5: Fucking I went, oh shit, And he's a legend, like

498
00:24:27,281 --> 00:24:29,761
Speaker 5: he's just a fucking top man. I love him to death,

499
00:24:29,801 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 5: you know. And just to set the record straight to

500
00:24:32,281 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 5: my dad and I are.

501
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 3: Very good today and I love him and yet so

502
00:24:35,441 --> 00:24:36,001
Speaker 3: I just wanted to.

503
00:24:36,001 --> 00:24:38,441
Speaker 2: Clear that up. We we'll talk about that. Yeah, But.

504
00:24:40,561 --> 00:24:42,561
Speaker 3: And you know, it was very full on.

505
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 5: So I knew that it was real bad, real quick

506
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,681
Speaker 5: now because I'd upset my father in law.

507
00:24:48,961 --> 00:24:50,201
Speaker 3: My partner was pregnant.

508
00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:54,321
Speaker 5: They're talking ten to twenty and I'm sitting here eating

509
00:24:54,321 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 5: a fucking quarter pounds agoing. I've got no legal representation.

510
00:24:57,681 --> 00:25:01,761
Speaker 5: I'm fucked. And yeah, from there on in obviously it

511
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,481
Speaker 5: was bar refused and off the court the next morning

512
00:25:04,481 --> 00:25:05,441
Speaker 5: and off to seal Water.

513
00:25:05,521 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: And it's where I sat in remand.

514
00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: And the total stint you did for six years in total,

515
00:25:11,721 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: what was the payday worth?

516
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,521
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.

517
00:25:14,521 --> 00:25:16,041
Speaker 2: I was a bit a bit.

518
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a bit.

519
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: So any ideas of how the coppers knew that it

520
00:25:22,481 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: was going down.

521
00:25:23,561 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what I later found out in the police

522
00:25:27,001 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 5: brief was they had X ray.

523
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,201
Speaker 3: So I was important marble and granite.

524
00:25:31,441 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 5: I had a business and I was importing statues gravestones,

525
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 5: and yeah, legit fucking business.

526
00:25:38,961 --> 00:25:40,321
Speaker 2: That was a legit business. It wasn't.

527
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 5: But within that and that's all I'll say. How within

528
00:25:45,921 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: that was whatever that came. And yeah, there was an

529
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 5: inconsistency in the X ray that showed that this particular

530
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 5: piece of headstone or what have you had inconsistency lines.

531
00:26:04,201 --> 00:26:08,281
Speaker 5: So that sort of prompted them to obviously be suspicious

532
00:26:08,321 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: and pull the container back and drill into it and

533
00:26:11,001 --> 00:26:18,401
Speaker 5: realized what it was. And yeah, so what happened? Fucked, it's.

534
00:26:20,321 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: What?

535
00:26:20,761 --> 00:26:23,801
Speaker 5: So Okay, I'll tell you a fuck a funny story, right, yeah, please,

536
00:26:23,921 --> 00:26:26,521
Speaker 5: So going back to you know, the whole part of

537
00:26:26,561 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: getting arrested, it was it was so bizarre because, like

538
00:26:31,721 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 5: I say, I knew that I was off, and it

539
00:26:34,481 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 5: wasn't from anything that I'd done wrong.

540
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,561
Speaker 3: It was just how it was. It arrived in a

541
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 3: way that it wasn't mental arrive and I put a

542
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: red light up.

543
00:26:44,761 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 5: That I couldn't escape from if I I mean, I

544
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,961
Speaker 5: was already been what I've been off for four days.

545
00:26:51,001 --> 00:26:53,041
Speaker 5: They had me under surveillance for four days prior.

546
00:26:52,921 --> 00:26:53,521
Speaker 3: To the arrest.

547
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,441
Speaker 2: You were in Queensland at the time.

548
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,441
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they had just picked me up four days

549
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 5: so the shipping container got pulled back by the consignment

550
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,561
Speaker 5: company contacted me and then the federal police had pulled

551
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 5: that back long and short of it all in that

552
00:27:08,041 --> 00:27:12,281
Speaker 5: time frame they'd worked out obviously who I was. However

553
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 5: they did it and they put a link in for me.

554
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,321
Speaker 5: It's the next minute, I've got feds up here watching me.

555
00:27:17,441 --> 00:27:21,161
Speaker 5: I knew that there had to be something like that

556
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 5: going real south, real quick on. That was on the Friday,

557
00:27:24,961 --> 00:27:26,681
Speaker 5: I think by the Sunday, because I was flying down

558
00:27:26,721 --> 00:27:30,481
Speaker 5: on the Monday and I remember being a call and

559
00:27:30,521 --> 00:27:33,041
Speaker 5: got an airport and I'm looking around and I'm fucking thinking,

560
00:27:33,041 --> 00:27:36,601
Speaker 5: what's these cocksuckers looking at? And the fucking airport police

561
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,681
Speaker 5: will walking past me, you know, and front of little

562
00:27:38,721 --> 00:27:42,441
Speaker 5: sly looks over their shoulders. The fucking undercovers were over there.

563
00:27:42,521 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: There was federal police, and I thought, fuck, you can't.

564
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,881
Speaker 5: It's I'm gonna go and get some red rooster. I'm

565
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: going to fucking kick back. And I in the beginning,

566
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: because I had a couple of hours to wait, you know,

567
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 5: the plane was delayed, but I just knew that it

568
00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:58,761
Speaker 5: was all happening. So I knew that they didn't know.

569
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,041
Speaker 5: I knew that I was off, but I knew I

570
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,361
Speaker 5: was off. So every time I looked at these cocksuckers,

571
00:28:04,241 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 5: I'm figuring my head, fuck you, fuck you. Yeah, what

572
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,401
Speaker 5: I know you are watching me. I gets to Sydney

573
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 5: and you never see a Federal police vehicle driving up

574
00:28:14,201 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 5: the M five heading away from the Western suburbs like

575
00:28:17,761 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 5: it was fucking weird, you know, like I look like

576
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,881
Speaker 5: a highway patrol, but it was Federal police. I've come

577
00:28:23,921 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 5: from the airport and not one but two and at

578
00:28:28,761 --> 00:28:33,361
Speaker 5: that stage I've gone, fuck, I'm just I'm gone. It

579
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: was just it just hit me like a ton of bricks. So,

580
00:28:37,481 --> 00:28:39,321
Speaker 5: you know, on the way to the controlled delivery, and

581
00:28:39,361 --> 00:28:42,561
Speaker 5: that's what I was saying before. It was that that

582
00:28:42,641 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: feeling of they're knotty, yeah, thinking that there's there's no

583
00:28:46,801 --> 00:28:50,961
Speaker 5: one around a triple checked. You know, I've got a

584
00:28:51,001 --> 00:28:52,641
Speaker 5: window here that I'm gonna have a crack and I'm

585
00:28:52,681 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 5: gonna get in and I'm gonna get out. Yeah, well no,

586
00:28:55,481 --> 00:28:57,121
Speaker 5: it didn't happen like that, did it.

587
00:28:57,161 --> 00:29:02,561
Speaker 2: So get done you're going to uh back into jail. Yep,

588
00:29:03,441 --> 00:29:04,321
Speaker 2: back in the Long Bay.

589
00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:06,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, back to Long Bay.

590
00:29:06,121 --> 00:29:10,361
Speaker 5: I went Long Bay's silver Water Grafton Glenning has got

591
00:29:10,361 --> 00:29:14,121
Speaker 5: tipped from there for assaultant officer back into there. Spent

592
00:29:14,601 --> 00:29:18,681
Speaker 5: the best part of twelve months in segro M. The

593
00:29:18,721 --> 00:29:21,481
Speaker 5: first the first, you know, eight eight months was not good.

594
00:29:23,121 --> 00:29:26,561
Speaker 5: My partner had given birth to our son. I was

595
00:29:26,601 --> 00:29:32,081
Speaker 5: in segro I wasn't given you know, fuck all communication.

596
00:29:33,241 --> 00:29:38,081
Speaker 5: I was very angry and rebellious. It just doesn't work

597
00:29:38,121 --> 00:29:40,121
Speaker 5: the system. You can rebel as much as you want,

598
00:29:40,601 --> 00:29:42,361
Speaker 5: but it just falls on deaf is and they're very

599
00:29:42,361 --> 00:29:45,521
Speaker 5: clever with it these days to make sure that if

600
00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:47,801
Speaker 5: an inmate's going to come and carry on and you know,

601
00:29:48,601 --> 00:29:50,881
Speaker 5: they accommodate you to a certain point and that's it.

602
00:29:51,241 --> 00:29:53,481
Speaker 5: You can bang your head against the wall and that's

603
00:29:53,561 --> 00:29:54,841
Speaker 5: just as far as you're going to get.

604
00:29:55,721 --> 00:29:57,201
Speaker 3: So, you know, it does.

605
00:29:57,241 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 5: It becomes quite quite stressful, especially when you know that

606
00:30:01,441 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 5: like being in segre there was times there where there

607
00:30:04,321 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 5: were short screws is out in the main part of

608
00:30:06,241 --> 00:30:09,921
Speaker 5: the jails, so they strip the segro screws and you

609
00:30:09,921 --> 00:30:11,481
Speaker 5: don't get out. You don't get your phone call, you

610
00:30:11,481 --> 00:30:15,561
Speaker 5: don't get shit, and that was the first place that suffered.

611
00:30:16,121 --> 00:30:17,281
Speaker 2: So why do you going to SEGRO.

612
00:30:18,001 --> 00:30:20,041
Speaker 3: You can go into SEGRA because you're unmanageable.

613
00:30:20,041 --> 00:30:22,561
Speaker 5: You can go into SEGRA because you've committed further crimes,

614
00:30:22,601 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: you've been caught with contraband you're a gang member.

615
00:30:27,721 --> 00:30:27,921
Speaker 2: You know.

616
00:30:28,041 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 5: Then there's you know, obviously protection and strict protection that

617
00:30:30,761 --> 00:30:35,321
Speaker 5: are like that as well that are on the other side.

618
00:30:35,881 --> 00:30:39,761
Speaker 5: It does vary, you know, but you just basically come

619
00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:40,761
Speaker 5: under unmanageable.

620
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:45,561
Speaker 2: So SEGRO segregation. What does a day look like in segregation?

621
00:30:45,721 --> 00:30:47,641
Speaker 5: Fucking four walls, man, and you get a little bit

622
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:49,601
Speaker 5: of a fucking yard off the back of your so

623
00:30:49,761 --> 00:30:54,241
Speaker 5: you know, you're in your SEGRO cells, you don't see anybody,

624
00:30:54,441 --> 00:30:56,081
Speaker 5: you don't yell out to each other, and you get

625
00:30:56,161 --> 00:30:58,601
Speaker 5: let out into the backyard. Your yard is just a

626
00:30:58,641 --> 00:31:02,321
Speaker 5: small cage, you know, it'd be like three by four max.

627
00:31:03,081 --> 00:31:04,761
Speaker 3: And that's it.

628
00:31:05,081 --> 00:31:07,641
Speaker 2: You sit out there, and how often are you allowed

629
00:31:07,681 --> 00:31:08,361
Speaker 2: to sit out there?

630
00:31:08,481 --> 00:31:09,881
Speaker 3: Well, randomly, that's what I mean.

631
00:31:09,921 --> 00:31:12,161
Speaker 5: There was no you know, there's supposed to be a routine,

632
00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:15,201
Speaker 5: but there's no routine in there. They just choose as

633
00:31:15,201 --> 00:31:15,881
Speaker 5: they see fit.

634
00:31:16,561 --> 00:31:17,241
Speaker 2: Books.

635
00:31:17,721 --> 00:31:20,281
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you can get books if you if you

636
00:31:20,401 --> 00:31:22,761
Speaker 5: know lucky enough. A lot of blokes that have read

637
00:31:22,801 --> 00:31:27,001
Speaker 5: either Bible or Crime, you know, which helped a lot

638
00:31:27,001 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: of people. And I think that you know, that was

639
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:34,121
Speaker 5: really the only sort of thing you could do in

640
00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:37,121
Speaker 5: there that you didn't have access to, you know, your magazines,

641
00:31:37,201 --> 00:31:39,801
Speaker 5: and it's just you're a cutoff, cut off. It's a

642
00:31:39,881 --> 00:31:40,761
Speaker 5: jarl within a jail.

643
00:31:41,761 --> 00:31:43,361
Speaker 2: And how long can you stay in Sagro for as

644
00:31:43,361 --> 00:31:44,001
Speaker 2: long as they want?

645
00:31:44,081 --> 00:31:47,641
Speaker 5: There's blokes that have unfortunately been in there for years.

646
00:31:49,041 --> 00:31:50,521
Speaker 2: It's got a fuck with mental.

647
00:31:50,201 --> 00:31:54,401
Speaker 5: Health absolutely, And to be honest with the two blokes

648
00:31:54,401 --> 00:31:57,481
Speaker 5: took their life whilst I was in Segro. I didn't

649
00:31:57,521 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 5: know them personally, and I think at that point it

650
00:32:01,321 --> 00:32:02,521
Speaker 5: was a bit of a smack in the mouth for

651
00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:06,361
Speaker 5: me because I I could well and truly been that person,

652
00:32:06,441 --> 00:32:09,841
Speaker 5: especially living with suicidality. I live with type two bipola.

653
00:32:11,361 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 5: There's a lot of negative in my life now. I

654
00:32:13,761 --> 00:32:17,601
Speaker 5: was looking at big years. So my partner was out

655
00:32:17,601 --> 00:32:20,281
Speaker 5: on her own with a child already my daughter and

656
00:32:20,321 --> 00:32:23,281
Speaker 5: you're about to raise the sun without me. There was

657
00:32:23,321 --> 00:32:27,521
Speaker 5: a lot to just fucking just not want to keep

658
00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 5: fighting for but there wasn't do you know what I mean,

659
00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:31,161
Speaker 5: If that makes sense, I shouldn't say it like that

660
00:32:31,241 --> 00:32:34,801
Speaker 5: because I think at that stage, you think, either I'm

661
00:32:34,801 --> 00:32:36,241
Speaker 5: going to get through this, I'm just going to walk

662
00:32:36,241 --> 00:32:37,921
Speaker 5: out from this now, and the only way out is

663
00:32:38,201 --> 00:32:42,761
Speaker 5: to take your life. It's not the answer, and I'm

664
00:32:42,801 --> 00:32:46,761
Speaker 5: so grateful that I didn't make that option. Unfortunately, not

665
00:32:46,801 --> 00:32:51,921
Speaker 5: everybody finds its strength to get through. And you know,

666
00:32:52,001 --> 00:32:54,561
Speaker 5: there's a couple of blokes that did take their life,

667
00:32:54,641 --> 00:32:56,441
Speaker 5: and for me, that just smacked me in the mouth.

668
00:32:56,761 --> 00:32:59,001
Speaker 5: A good shake up, you know, a good reality check

669
00:32:59,041 --> 00:33:00,921
Speaker 5: of what did I want in my life? Is this

670
00:33:00,961 --> 00:33:03,161
Speaker 5: where I want to end up dying in jail? Is

671
00:33:03,201 --> 00:33:06,641
Speaker 5: this what I want from my life to, you know,

672
00:33:06,921 --> 00:33:10,561
Speaker 5: continually live within this, this system and the revolving doors.

673
00:33:10,641 --> 00:33:13,801
Speaker 5: I know I had years of parole when I did

674
00:33:13,801 --> 00:33:15,161
Speaker 5: get out, and I still had to finish.

675
00:33:15,241 --> 00:33:18,161
Speaker 3: And in New South Wales, you know, you go back,

676
00:33:18,201 --> 00:33:18,961
Speaker 3: you do your full time.

677
00:33:19,001 --> 00:33:20,881
Speaker 5: It's not like Queensland when you go back for a month,

678
00:33:22,401 --> 00:33:24,041
Speaker 5: so you know, you fuck up, you don't get any

679
00:33:24,041 --> 00:33:28,041
Speaker 5: second chances. I wanted that opportunity to better myself, so

680
00:33:28,761 --> 00:33:30,961
Speaker 5: at that stage, I realized I needed to just fucking

681
00:33:31,041 --> 00:33:34,681
Speaker 5: suck it up. Toe the line, kick along with my sentence,

682
00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:36,801
Speaker 5: shut my mouth, and do my time and get the fuck.

683
00:33:36,601 --> 00:33:38,921
Speaker 2: Out of there. How long into the sentence were you

684
00:33:39,041 --> 00:33:40,081
Speaker 2: when you realize.

685
00:33:39,761 --> 00:33:41,921
Speaker 3: That I'm coming up about two years?

686
00:33:42,481 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: So you did the next four years that?

687
00:33:44,561 --> 00:33:46,641
Speaker 5: Yeah, with all that and you know the parole and

688
00:33:46,681 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: everything that was. Yeah, I had to make sure that

689
00:33:50,281 --> 00:33:51,161
Speaker 5: I didn't fuck up.

690
00:33:52,121 --> 00:33:54,401
Speaker 2: And that would be hard, right, because you tied to.

691
00:33:54,561 --> 00:33:57,441
Speaker 5: So hard because I was living with mental health issues.

692
00:33:57,561 --> 00:34:00,961
Speaker 5: You know, I'm extremely high strung. I can be extremely

693
00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:04,481
Speaker 5: violent back then, you know I was. I was a

694
00:34:04,521 --> 00:34:07,321
Speaker 5: ticking time. But I had to just start to go

695
00:34:07,441 --> 00:34:09,721
Speaker 5: deep within myself. And this is where a lot of

696
00:34:09,721 --> 00:34:13,121
Speaker 5: that change in development came from, because I started to

697
00:34:13,601 --> 00:34:15,481
Speaker 5: It wasn't until then that I actually spoke up about

698
00:34:15,481 --> 00:34:18,521
Speaker 5: my sexual abuse being abused. You did that wide I

699
00:34:18,561 --> 00:34:20,521
Speaker 5: had when I was a child spoken up about what

700
00:34:20,601 --> 00:34:23,521
Speaker 5: took place then, but then I had just cut off,

701
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:25,321
Speaker 5: you know, from the age of about eleven, I never

702
00:34:25,361 --> 00:34:29,881
Speaker 5: ever spoke about it again until I actually came out

703
00:34:29,881 --> 00:34:34,241
Speaker 5: of jail after this last sentence and was comfortable enough

704
00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:38,601
Speaker 5: to say, this is what actually happened to me, you know,

705
00:34:38,681 --> 00:34:41,721
Speaker 5: and I felt like I just I remember Russell saying,

706
00:34:41,761 --> 00:34:44,401
Speaker 5: and he's saying that, you know, he took the backpack

707
00:34:44,441 --> 00:34:46,361
Speaker 5: off that wasn't his anymore and handed it back to

708
00:34:46,401 --> 00:34:49,241
Speaker 5: his right flown and well, I get it, you know,

709
00:34:49,401 --> 00:34:51,761
Speaker 5: I get it. It wasn't mine to carry, and I

710
00:34:51,801 --> 00:34:54,481
Speaker 5: carried it for over thirty years. And you know, my

711
00:34:54,601 --> 00:34:57,001
Speaker 5: relationship with my dad while I was in jail started

712
00:34:57,001 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: to mend, which was really really good, and today we're

713
00:34:59,481 --> 00:35:02,601
Speaker 5: best mates. I love him dearly. He's a great man,

714
00:35:02,681 --> 00:35:05,921
Speaker 5: and you know he's he's forgiven him. Maybe we've had

715
00:35:05,961 --> 00:35:09,401
Speaker 5: ten years of really tough times work like it's been

716
00:35:09,521 --> 00:35:12,041
Speaker 5: great the last seven or eight nine years, you know

717
00:35:12,081 --> 00:35:13,681
Speaker 5: what I mean. But it took ten years prior to

718
00:35:13,681 --> 00:35:17,841
Speaker 5: that of us sitting down and having some deeper meaningfuls

719
00:35:17,841 --> 00:35:20,201
Speaker 5: and you know, he had to hear what I was feeling,

720
00:35:20,241 --> 00:35:22,601
Speaker 5: He had to hear what happened he had. But then

721
00:35:22,641 --> 00:35:24,081
Speaker 5: on the other hand, he got to talk to me

722
00:35:24,121 --> 00:35:26,801
Speaker 5: as a man and explain a few things to him

723
00:35:26,801 --> 00:35:29,281
Speaker 5: me about him.

724
00:35:29,681 --> 00:35:32,721
Speaker 3: There was a lot of things that were different.

725
00:35:33,001 --> 00:35:36,001
Speaker 5: You know, my dad unfortunately went through some shit to

726
00:35:36,161 --> 00:35:38,881
Speaker 5: me and at the hands of someone else. And at

727
00:35:38,881 --> 00:35:41,641
Speaker 5: that moment, I realized, Fuck, I know, I get it.

728
00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:44,041
Speaker 5: I know why he was so angry and so just

729
00:35:44,921 --> 00:35:47,201
Speaker 5: why he turned to alcohol, why he was violent, Why

730
00:35:47,481 --> 00:35:50,601
Speaker 5: was I get it. I'm that person, I've been that person.

731
00:35:50,921 --> 00:35:52,361
Speaker 2: It's history repeating itsel Man.

732
00:35:52,401 --> 00:35:54,561
Speaker 5: It was scary, you know, and I thought, Fuck, I

733
00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:56,841
Speaker 5: can't be angry at this man.

734
00:35:57,441 --> 00:35:58,081
Speaker 3: He's my dad.

735
00:35:58,321 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: Yet I hated, not hate, Yeah, I did.

736
00:36:01,841 --> 00:36:02,321
Speaker 2: Growing up.

737
00:36:02,321 --> 00:36:06,521
Speaker 5: I hated him because he just wasn't there when I

738
00:36:06,561 --> 00:36:11,801
Speaker 5: needed him. But I grew to unconditionally love him as

739
00:36:11,841 --> 00:36:14,201
Speaker 5: my dad. And I mean, he's a fucking champion.

740
00:36:15,001 --> 00:36:18,521
Speaker 2: Your own son. You were a strange from for a

741
00:36:18,561 --> 00:36:19,121
Speaker 2: long time.

742
00:36:19,401 --> 00:36:20,721
Speaker 3: Yeah, my twenty one year old.

743
00:36:22,081 --> 00:36:24,281
Speaker 2: But that's changed recently, it has, thank god.

744
00:36:25,201 --> 00:36:28,081
Speaker 5: On his twenty first birthday, my beautiful niece had gotten

745
00:36:28,081 --> 00:36:30,721
Speaker 5: a message to him and said, listen, you know I

746
00:36:31,561 --> 00:36:34,241
Speaker 5: love my uncle and I love you, and you guys

747
00:36:34,281 --> 00:36:37,881
Speaker 5: need to meet up. And have been four years, and you.

748
00:36:37,841 --> 00:36:38,601
Speaker 3: Know he was hurt.

749
00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:40,761
Speaker 5: He you know, you got to remember, I've left a

750
00:36:40,761 --> 00:36:42,681
Speaker 5: ten year old boy back then, or a nine year

751
00:36:42,721 --> 00:36:44,681
Speaker 5: old boy and just walked out of his life and

752
00:36:44,761 --> 00:36:47,041
Speaker 5: chose to do what I did, and like he said

753
00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,201
Speaker 5: to me as a man. You know you chose to

754
00:36:49,241 --> 00:36:51,921
Speaker 5: do that, dad, but you didn't think about me.

755
00:36:53,481 --> 00:36:54,081
Speaker 3: And He's right.

756
00:36:55,081 --> 00:36:57,521
Speaker 5: I can sit here and say, oh, you know I cared, Yes,

757
00:36:57,561 --> 00:36:59,801
Speaker 5: I cared. I wasn't a present father though I didn't

758
00:36:59,841 --> 00:37:01,521
Speaker 5: know how to be a father. You know, I've had

759
00:37:01,521 --> 00:37:06,001
Speaker 5: to learn from my mistakes. I'm still I'm a much

760
00:37:06,001 --> 00:37:08,321
Speaker 5: better human, a great dad compared to what I ever was.

761
00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:09,081
Speaker 3: I know how to love.

762
00:37:09,121 --> 00:37:11,361
Speaker 5: I've had to learn how to love again through my partner.

763
00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:12,721
Speaker 3: She's mate.

764
00:37:12,721 --> 00:37:15,841
Speaker 5: Fuck, I've had to rebuild my whole person to be

765
00:37:15,881 --> 00:37:18,521
Speaker 5: a better person. And you know, really going to put

766
00:37:18,561 --> 00:37:21,241
Speaker 5: my hand up and not give two fucks what anybody

767
00:37:21,281 --> 00:37:24,961
Speaker 5: thinks judgmenttally, I don't care about talking about what I

768
00:37:25,041 --> 00:37:28,161
Speaker 5: lived with, what I went through, what I've done. You know,

769
00:37:28,201 --> 00:37:29,561
Speaker 5: I'm not going to sit back and dwell on it

770
00:37:29,601 --> 00:37:31,601
Speaker 5: and go, oh, I could have should even would have.

771
00:37:31,841 --> 00:37:33,761
Speaker 5: You know what, I didn't ask to be fucking raped

772
00:37:33,761 --> 00:37:36,521
Speaker 5: in fucking seven year old kid, do you know what

773
00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:36,841
Speaker 5: I mean?

774
00:37:37,561 --> 00:37:40,241
Speaker 3: It happened. I committed my crimes.

775
00:37:40,281 --> 00:37:43,121
Speaker 5: I've done my time, and I've done fucking plenty of it,

776
00:37:43,521 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 5: and it's been a good thing.

777
00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:46,601
Speaker 3: Today.

778
00:37:47,161 --> 00:37:49,401
Speaker 5: What I wish it upon anybody else, not a chance

779
00:37:49,401 --> 00:37:51,641
Speaker 5: in hell. I don't wish anyone other than the sick

780
00:37:51,681 --> 00:37:54,081
Speaker 5: fucks out there that deserve to be in there to

781
00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:57,721
Speaker 5: go to jail. Jail is jail's a terrible place. And

782
00:37:57,761 --> 00:37:59,801
Speaker 5: I've said it before, and I see you. Everybody's vulnerable,

783
00:37:59,801 --> 00:38:02,761
Speaker 5: and it's probably the worst right now than it's ever been,

784
00:38:03,001 --> 00:38:06,681
Speaker 5: you know, beyond years and years ago. I feel sorry

785
00:38:06,681 --> 00:38:09,881
Speaker 5: for all those families and people. There's no visits, hasn't

786
00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:10,921
Speaker 5: been visited since March.

787
00:38:11,521 --> 00:38:14,601
Speaker 3: They're locked down. There's tension like it's just.

788
00:38:16,401 --> 00:38:18,361
Speaker 5: Men, the men and women. I get it.

789
00:38:18,441 --> 00:38:20,761
Speaker 3: We all fuck up. We deserve to do our time

790
00:38:20,801 --> 00:38:22,001
Speaker 3: if we've done, get all that.

791
00:38:22,081 --> 00:38:25,481
Speaker 5: But from a humanitarian point of view, shit's bad in

792
00:38:25,521 --> 00:38:26,961
Speaker 5: their a real bad.

793
00:38:27,681 --> 00:38:29,401
Speaker 3: Just remember you have all got a date that you

794
00:38:29,521 --> 00:38:30,121
Speaker 3: get released.

795
00:38:31,081 --> 00:38:32,561
Speaker 2: Do you regret your past? No?

796
00:38:34,081 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: Now, I wouldn't be here talking to you. I look,

797
00:38:37,121 --> 00:38:39,241
Speaker 5: I gotta ask that question so many times. You know,

798
00:38:39,481 --> 00:38:42,041
Speaker 5: you know what I would change. I would change being

799
00:38:42,081 --> 00:38:47,481
Speaker 5: at my son's birth. I would change being present with

800
00:38:47,561 --> 00:38:51,241
Speaker 5: my oldest son. I would change being a better partner

801
00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:55,201
Speaker 5: to my wonderful partner who's still with me. Sixteen years

802
00:38:55,281 --> 00:38:58,681
Speaker 5: later a man. That woman's been through fucking thick and thin,

803
00:38:59,521 --> 00:39:02,881
Speaker 5: rock solid, you know, and God bless us, she's my

804
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:03,681
Speaker 5: saving grace.

805
00:39:03,721 --> 00:39:05,601
Speaker 3: I'd be dead. I'd be dead.

806
00:39:06,001 --> 00:39:08,881
Speaker 5: I just it's as simple as that. It'd be that

807
00:39:08,921 --> 00:39:12,041
Speaker 5: all life if I didn't have her and her guidance

808
00:39:12,081 --> 00:39:14,361
Speaker 5: in my life. And yeah, there is a stronger woman

809
00:39:14,401 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 5: behind this strong man.

810
00:39:16,961 --> 00:39:19,641
Speaker 2: What about the kids, what do they know about? What?

811
00:39:19,921 --> 00:39:20,281
Speaker 5: Everything?

812
00:39:20,601 --> 00:39:20,961
Speaker 3: Everything?

813
00:39:21,201 --> 00:39:21,921
Speaker 2: Everything? Yep.

814
00:39:22,281 --> 00:39:26,281
Speaker 5: Look, the bottom line is I think trust is huge.

815
00:39:26,961 --> 00:39:29,041
Speaker 3: You know, I've got gaps. I've got twenty one and

816
00:39:29,121 --> 00:39:30,721
Speaker 3: I've got thirteen, ten and six.

817
00:39:31,401 --> 00:39:35,081
Speaker 5: Very hard to hide anything, you know, all quite intelligent

818
00:39:35,121 --> 00:39:39,241
Speaker 5: young children and academically gifted. So I can see myself.

819
00:39:40,441 --> 00:39:41,561
Speaker 5: Her mother's are going to get the shit.

820
00:39:41,681 --> 00:39:44,161
Speaker 3: But anyway, I can see myself in them strongly.

821
00:39:44,721 --> 00:39:46,721
Speaker 5: You only got to hit Google and my name and

822
00:39:46,761 --> 00:39:49,361
Speaker 5: there's enough there for them to go who is my dad?

823
00:39:50,281 --> 00:39:53,681
Speaker 5: You know, It's just.

824
00:39:54,041 --> 00:39:56,601
Speaker 3: They needed to know so obviously delicately.

825
00:39:57,081 --> 00:39:59,121
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I'm not just saying going out and start

826
00:39:59,161 --> 00:40:03,161
Speaker 5: talking about you know, some of the things that definitely not.

827
00:40:03,321 --> 00:40:06,001
Speaker 5: But you know, as the years have gone on, there's

828
00:40:06,041 --> 00:40:09,321
Speaker 5: been more questions, and you know, I've done some big,

829
00:40:09,361 --> 00:40:12,441
Speaker 5: big things, world first things you know, in my life,

830
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:17,081
Speaker 5: which have been amazing achievements beyond my wildest dreams, and

831
00:40:17,561 --> 00:40:19,921
Speaker 5: they needed to know why I was doing that, you know.

832
00:40:20,041 --> 00:40:21,881
Speaker 3: So with coming of.

833
00:40:21,921 --> 00:40:25,721
Speaker 5: This, this story of redemption to being a better human,

834
00:40:27,041 --> 00:40:29,761
Speaker 5: I have to enlighten those close to me along the

835
00:40:29,761 --> 00:40:32,441
Speaker 5: way that didn't know why I was needing a story

836
00:40:32,441 --> 00:40:32,921
Speaker 5: of redemption.

837
00:40:33,081 --> 00:40:33,681
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

838
00:40:34,121 --> 00:40:35,841
Speaker 5: Why kids are the kids now that will look at

839
00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,001
Speaker 5: other children around the playground and pick up when their

840
00:40:38,041 --> 00:40:40,801
Speaker 5: body language is down and go. They might need to

841
00:40:40,801 --> 00:40:43,241
Speaker 5: talk to someone. They know their dads live with bipolar.

842
00:40:43,281 --> 00:40:45,921
Speaker 5: They know their dad's been abused, they know the hardships

843
00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,081
Speaker 5: that I've gone, They've worked out why dad was so

844
00:40:49,041 --> 00:40:51,361
Speaker 5: scattery and all over the place. You know, I'll be

845
00:40:51,401 --> 00:40:53,201
Speaker 5: here one minute, next minute. I used to fucking just

846
00:40:53,241 --> 00:40:57,361
Speaker 5: be gone on a plane overseas, like I'd have three

847
00:40:57,441 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 5: or four phones and one phoneould ring, and I'd say

848
00:40:59,481 --> 00:41:01,721
Speaker 5: goodbye and grab a bag and say by to my missus,

849
00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:02,321
Speaker 5: and I'll be gone.

850
00:41:03,201 --> 00:41:05,001
Speaker 3: I'll see my words. Well, I see when I get home.

851
00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:06,241
Speaker 3: That was all I'd say.

852
00:41:06,721 --> 00:41:08,441
Speaker 5: She didn't know what was going on, or you know,

853
00:41:08,521 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 5: no one knew anything, and.

854
00:41:10,401 --> 00:41:11,281
Speaker 3: That's just how it was.

855
00:41:11,441 --> 00:41:15,401
Speaker 5: So you know, I owed to them a part of

856
00:41:15,401 --> 00:41:19,481
Speaker 5: that explanation, a part of it, not all of it,

857
00:41:20,041 --> 00:41:23,081
Speaker 5: you know, enough for them to know that they they

858
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:25,001
Speaker 5: can be comfortable. And I know who their dad is

859
00:41:26,761 --> 00:41:30,041
Speaker 5: and just know that their dad's a good man. I

860
00:41:30,081 --> 00:41:33,121
Speaker 5: believe I am. I'm a learning dad. Every day is

861
00:41:33,121 --> 00:41:37,881
Speaker 5: a learning curve. I'm a lot more patient, you know,

862
00:41:37,921 --> 00:41:42,081
Speaker 5: I still get shitty at times. I love being involved

863
00:41:42,121 --> 00:41:45,921
Speaker 5: with my children's life. My daughter's born vision impaired, you know,

864
00:41:45,961 --> 00:41:48,321
Speaker 5: on the legal sort of spectrum for being blind. She

865
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:52,721
Speaker 5: can see, but she's boarding with sight difficulties. She's in

866
00:41:52,801 --> 00:41:55,601
Speaker 5: high school. You know, she's so gorgeous and so tiny

867
00:41:55,641 --> 00:41:56,241
Speaker 5: and petite.

868
00:41:56,281 --> 00:41:58,601
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, man, I forck.

869
00:41:58,681 --> 00:42:02,281
Speaker 5: It just worries me. I am that protective dad and

870
00:42:02,321 --> 00:42:03,361
Speaker 5: I've got to be pulled back.

871
00:42:03,361 --> 00:42:04,881
Speaker 3: But yet, you know, my boys are solid.

872
00:42:04,921 --> 00:42:08,241
Speaker 5: My my oldest son just crammed four years into two

873
00:42:08,481 --> 00:42:11,001
Speaker 5: and it's a sound engineer as of this week. So

874
00:42:11,081 --> 00:42:13,321
Speaker 5: now he's going to do his bachelor's in the four

875
00:42:13,401 --> 00:42:15,521
Speaker 5: years instead of eight. And he brings me up last night,

876
00:42:15,561 --> 00:42:17,601
Speaker 5: he says, Dad, and you know, I'm happy, but I

877
00:42:17,601 --> 00:42:19,881
Speaker 5: only got you know, a couple of things, and I,

878
00:42:20,041 --> 00:42:21,841
Speaker 5: what are you unhappy about it? He goes, oh, well,

879
00:42:22,081 --> 00:42:24,481
Speaker 5: you know, I got two or three distinctions.

880
00:42:24,481 --> 00:42:29,201
Speaker 3: And I went, oh, that's just shit, because yeah I know, and.

881
00:42:29,121 --> 00:42:31,961
Speaker 5: I said, no, that's not ship. He goes, yeah, but

882
00:42:32,001 --> 00:42:34,001
Speaker 5: I tried hard. And you're talking to a kid that

883
00:42:34,121 --> 00:42:37,281
Speaker 5: got very high distinctions and high distinctions. He's one hundred

884
00:42:37,321 --> 00:42:40,201
Speaker 5: to you know, mid nineties and up was where his

885
00:42:40,241 --> 00:42:42,761
Speaker 5: line was. And he's dirty that he got mid mid eighties.

886
00:42:43,881 --> 00:42:47,441
Speaker 5: So you know, he's an amazing young man. My youngest

887
00:42:47,441 --> 00:42:52,681
Speaker 5: little little terror is he scares me. He scares me

888
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:55,041
Speaker 5: a lot. But my inach of you, of younger self,

889
00:42:55,241 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 5: Oh mate, he's just he's just a little teddy bear.

890
00:42:59,521 --> 00:43:00,161
Speaker 2: I love him.

891
00:43:00,401 --> 00:43:03,041
Speaker 5: He's a gorgeous little boy, just with a shit attitude

892
00:43:03,681 --> 00:43:04,401
Speaker 5: like his dad.

893
00:43:05,281 --> 00:43:07,041
Speaker 3: You know, my daughter's excelling.

894
00:43:07,121 --> 00:43:10,561
Speaker 5: She's in a music program that got her into high

895
00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:14,441
Speaker 5: school and she's really really talented with her voice and

896
00:43:14,481 --> 00:43:17,481
Speaker 5: her arts, so you know there's something special for her

897
00:43:17,521 --> 00:43:19,761
Speaker 5: down the road. And my young fellow's an amazing young

898
00:43:19,761 --> 00:43:22,881
Speaker 5: footballer and he loves his surfing and he's just a

899
00:43:22,881 --> 00:43:27,641
Speaker 5: beautiful young boy, just a really genuine kind young man.

900
00:43:27,681 --> 00:43:29,721
Speaker 3: And all my kids also too. I mean I fought

901
00:43:29,801 --> 00:43:31,041
Speaker 3: muy Thai for over twenty years.

902
00:43:31,081 --> 00:43:31,281
Speaker 2: You know.

903
00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:35,841
Speaker 5: These days, I've been coaching juniors and it's been very rewarding.

904
00:43:35,921 --> 00:43:39,681
Speaker 5: I'm a pad holder and trainer also to at Strikeforce

905
00:43:39,761 --> 00:43:42,881
Speaker 5: Muytai Jim a burly heads under Mark Pease, who's an

906
00:43:42,881 --> 00:43:47,361
Speaker 5: amazing man and really has embraced my family.

907
00:43:47,361 --> 00:43:51,721
Speaker 2: And I talk to me about living with type two

908
00:43:51,761 --> 00:43:53,601
Speaker 2: bi polar. What does that mean for me?

909
00:43:53,681 --> 00:43:56,881
Speaker 5: Type two by polar is just zero to one hundred

910
00:43:56,881 --> 00:44:00,761
Speaker 5: and like the click of her fingers, everything's manic, do

911
00:44:00,841 --> 00:44:02,201
Speaker 5: everything to the extreme.

912
00:44:03,081 --> 00:44:03,801
Speaker 2: That can be good.

913
00:44:03,961 --> 00:44:06,881
Speaker 5: Well it was good. Fuse. I rode a pushbike across

914
00:44:06,881 --> 00:44:09,841
Speaker 5: Australia in forty five days.

915
00:44:09,361 --> 00:44:13,841
Speaker 2: So that's the good part. Jump that bank said, well

916
00:44:13,881 --> 00:44:14,201
Speaker 2: this is.

917
00:44:14,201 --> 00:44:17,081
Speaker 5: It, you know, just getting on a plane and going

918
00:44:17,161 --> 00:44:18,601
Speaker 5: overseas and whatever.

919
00:44:18,761 --> 00:44:21,641
Speaker 2: You know, Like, yeah, you don't medicate now.

920
00:44:21,761 --> 00:44:23,601
Speaker 5: No I don't. I look, I'm a big fan of

921
00:44:23,641 --> 00:44:28,241
Speaker 5: CBDU and I have just been medically approved to use

922
00:44:28,881 --> 00:44:32,321
Speaker 5: medical cannabis. I don't smoke, Yep, It's not something that

923
00:44:32,361 --> 00:44:35,601
Speaker 5: I do, but I definitely have, especially since my work accident.

924
00:44:35,921 --> 00:44:38,601
Speaker 5: I was nearly killed at a couple of years ago

925
00:44:39,841 --> 00:44:42,601
Speaker 5: crushed me. A three hundred kilo still plate fell off

926
00:44:42,601 --> 00:44:46,521
Speaker 5: of forty foot inverteb container about two meters and folded

927
00:44:46,561 --> 00:44:49,921
Speaker 5: me in half. And if I had been a smaller man,

928
00:44:50,041 --> 00:44:53,681
Speaker 5: it would have been a fertility. I couldn't walk out

929
00:44:53,721 --> 00:44:54,761
Speaker 5: to get air lifted out of there.

930
00:44:54,801 --> 00:44:55,001
Speaker 2: It was.

931
00:44:55,041 --> 00:45:00,161
Speaker 5: It was pretty bad. And I started to not get addicted,

932
00:45:00,201 --> 00:45:02,001
Speaker 5: but started to be a little bit dependent on the

933
00:45:03,041 --> 00:45:07,601
Speaker 5: pain relief medication. And that was and once I started

934
00:45:07,601 --> 00:45:09,681
Speaker 5: to see the change my partner started, I was like, no,

935
00:45:09,841 --> 00:45:13,321
Speaker 5: fuck this I was getting I was really becoming a

936
00:45:13,361 --> 00:45:16,001
Speaker 5: different man, you know. And it wasn't fair to them

937
00:45:16,201 --> 00:45:18,521
Speaker 5: and my kids, and it wasn't fair to me.

938
00:45:18,761 --> 00:45:18,921
Speaker 2: You know.

939
00:45:19,001 --> 00:45:20,841
Speaker 5: I went to work and I only got killed. I

940
00:45:21,321 --> 00:45:24,001
Speaker 5: didn't ask for it to happen. I was just working away,

941
00:45:24,481 --> 00:45:26,161
Speaker 5: trying to do the best I could for my family.

942
00:45:26,921 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy that you've lived a life of crime,

943
00:45:29,121 --> 00:45:32,161
Speaker 2: or you lived a life of crime, you've never actually

944
00:45:32,201 --> 00:45:34,841
Speaker 2: been killed, but you almost died.

945
00:45:35,401 --> 00:45:39,361
Speaker 5: Doing the right thing, doing the right I know, you know,

946
00:45:39,521 --> 00:45:41,921
Speaker 5: like I literally should have been shot and stabbed ten

947
00:45:41,961 --> 00:45:42,521
Speaker 5: times over.

948
00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:46,561
Speaker 2: What is it that Brent Simpson, what does he want

949
00:45:46,561 --> 00:45:47,961
Speaker 2: for himself? In the next forty years.

950
00:45:49,561 --> 00:45:53,121
Speaker 5: I want peace, peace within my mind. I want to

951
00:45:53,121 --> 00:45:56,481
Speaker 5: feel humble and happy that I'm a good man. I

952
00:45:56,521 --> 00:45:58,761
Speaker 5: want to love and be loved. I want to be

953
00:45:58,801 --> 00:46:01,361
Speaker 5: a great dad, a good partner. I want to grow

954
00:46:01,441 --> 00:46:03,921
Speaker 5: up with my partner, you know. I want to be

955
00:46:04,001 --> 00:46:06,521
Speaker 5: kind to people. I've spent the last five and a

956
00:46:06,561 --> 00:46:11,841
Speaker 5: half years committed to charity. I have helped thousands of

957
00:46:11,881 --> 00:46:17,201
Speaker 5: people that are suicidal, living with suicidality, struggling with mental health,

958
00:46:17,281 --> 00:46:19,961
Speaker 5: lost loved ones to suicide. I started a national charity

959
00:46:19,961 --> 00:46:22,881
Speaker 5: called the Heavy Hitters Foundation. I was the first in

960
00:46:22,921 --> 00:46:25,761
Speaker 5: the world discycler pushed by across Australia from Snapper Rocks

961
00:46:25,801 --> 00:46:28,161
Speaker 5: on the Gold Coast to Perth Codoslow Beach in under

962
00:46:28,201 --> 00:46:31,801
Speaker 5: forty five days. I did Tasmania in eight days because

963
00:46:31,841 --> 00:46:33,881
Speaker 5: they had the highest suicide rate per capita on the

964
00:46:33,881 --> 00:46:37,641
Speaker 5: West Coast of Tasmania in u suicide. I have spoken

965
00:46:37,641 --> 00:46:42,161
Speaker 5: in front of hundreds of clinicians at national suicide prevention conferences,

966
00:46:42,201 --> 00:46:46,601
Speaker 5: which doesn't happen very often. As somebody with lived experience.

967
00:46:47,201 --> 00:46:48,121
Speaker 3: People have lived.

968
00:46:47,881 --> 00:46:50,441
Speaker 5: Experience, and many of you out there that a struggle

969
00:46:50,481 --> 00:46:53,001
Speaker 5: on a daily base. You are so valuable, so valuable

970
00:46:53,041 --> 00:46:56,521
Speaker 5: to everyone around you. Your lived experience is so valuable.

971
00:46:56,561 --> 00:46:59,761
Speaker 5: Your daily battles are valuable. You are valuable.

972
00:46:59,801 --> 00:47:00,401
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

973
00:47:00,601 --> 00:47:03,641
Speaker 5: We talk about worth, well, there's your worth right there.

974
00:47:05,081 --> 00:47:07,081
Speaker 3: You're going through is something that could change.

975
00:47:06,921 --> 00:47:10,001
Speaker 5: Someone else's life by you putting your hand up and

976
00:47:10,121 --> 00:47:11,121
Speaker 5: just talking about it.

977
00:47:11,681 --> 00:47:12,641
Speaker 3: Very very powerful.

978
00:47:13,521 --> 00:47:14,281
Speaker 2: I just want to.

979
00:47:15,841 --> 00:47:19,241
Speaker 5: I just want to feel fucking relaxed and smile contently

980
00:47:19,281 --> 00:47:22,601
Speaker 5: and smile from the heart, and just watch my kids

981
00:47:22,641 --> 00:47:25,361
Speaker 5: grow and be happy and just be a good man.

982
00:47:27,161 --> 00:47:29,161
Speaker 2: What's written We're all going to die at some point.

983
00:47:29,241 --> 00:47:30,441
Speaker 2: What's written on your term stone?

984
00:47:30,641 --> 00:47:32,201
Speaker 3: Fuck was a real cap.

985
00:47:33,681 --> 00:47:34,761
Speaker 2: It's a sort one.

986
00:47:38,281 --> 00:47:44,041
Speaker 5: Started from the bottom and came to the top, mate.

987
00:47:44,601 --> 00:47:45,921
Speaker 2: Like it's this good question.

988
00:47:46,001 --> 00:47:48,921
Speaker 5: I've never thought about it, but I did. I started

989
00:47:48,921 --> 00:47:51,121
Speaker 5: from the bottom and I'm still climbing and I will

990
00:47:51,121 --> 00:47:54,921
Speaker 5: get to the top. I will be a good person,

991
00:47:55,241 --> 00:47:57,681
Speaker 5: and I believe I will help a lot of people

992
00:47:57,761 --> 00:48:00,601
Speaker 5: on the way I have, and I'll continue to look

993
00:48:00,641 --> 00:48:02,801
Speaker 5: alway said, if I could change one person's life from

994
00:48:02,801 --> 00:48:04,601
Speaker 5: my actions, then.

995
00:48:05,881 --> 00:48:06,681
Speaker 2: I've serviced.

996
00:48:07,121 --> 00:48:11,481
Speaker 5: But I know through my actions that there's been hundreds,

997
00:48:11,481 --> 00:48:14,081
Speaker 5: if not thousands of people. I've connected with in a

998
00:48:14,121 --> 00:48:17,321
Speaker 5: positive way. And I'm so grateful for that because each

999
00:48:17,361 --> 00:48:20,361
Speaker 5: of those people have also helped me, and I don't

1000
00:48:20,361 --> 00:48:24,121
Speaker 5: think a lot of them realize that that my wellness

1001
00:48:24,161 --> 00:48:29,241
Speaker 5: comes from helping others. So started at the bottom and

1002
00:48:29,321 --> 00:48:30,121
Speaker 5: got to the top.

1003
00:48:30,881 --> 00:48:34,881
Speaker 2: Start chizzling into stone, not the stone that used to import.

1004
00:48:35,401 --> 00:48:38,281
Speaker 5: No, No, I want to be chisled on that stone

1005
00:48:38,361 --> 00:48:39,481
Speaker 5: and it won't last forever.

1006
00:48:40,841 --> 00:48:44,241
Speaker 2: Finally, you asked this question of all your guests on

1007
00:48:44,281 --> 00:48:50,161
Speaker 2: the Clink podcast. You asked the question, what's the one mantra, word, sentence,

1008
00:48:50,321 --> 00:48:54,481
Speaker 2: or phrase that they live their life by.

1009
00:48:55,601 --> 00:48:57,561
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's pretty simple for me. As I said,

1010
00:48:57,561 --> 00:49:00,921
Speaker 5: I started a charity and how motto was You're not alone.

1011
00:49:02,681 --> 00:49:03,281
Speaker 3: And I think.

1012
00:49:03,121 --> 00:49:09,761
Speaker 5: That's a very very powerful statement. That would be my

1013
00:49:09,761 --> 00:49:11,681
Speaker 5: my one or you are not alone.

1014
00:49:13,321 --> 00:49:16,281
Speaker 2: Similar You were nervous coming into talking to this podcast.

1015
00:49:16,481 --> 00:49:20,081
Speaker 5: Oh, mate, I've sat in bed with anxiety all day,

1016
00:49:20,201 --> 00:49:24,521
Speaker 5: just fucking sick as just it's never easy sharing this

1017
00:49:24,681 --> 00:49:28,201
Speaker 5: and look, you know, I don't know whether there's enough

1018
00:49:28,241 --> 00:49:31,281
Speaker 5: of me that I've just delivered. I don't know. I

1019
00:49:31,321 --> 00:49:34,041
Speaker 5: hope that people appreciate what I have said, and I

1020
00:49:34,081 --> 00:49:37,321
Speaker 5: hope people also understand that some things just never get

1021
00:49:37,361 --> 00:49:41,241
Speaker 5: spoken about. But you know, the things that I have

1022
00:49:41,401 --> 00:49:46,401
Speaker 5: touched on, you know, pretty powerful things, and they've made

1023
00:49:46,481 --> 00:49:48,241
Speaker 5: me who I am today. And I just pray that

1024
00:49:48,401 --> 00:49:50,801
Speaker 5: you know, someone out there is able to take a

1025
00:49:50,841 --> 00:49:54,161
Speaker 5: piece of my story and hopefully add it to a

1026
00:49:54,161 --> 00:49:57,121
Speaker 5: little bit of theirs and make a better life for himself.

1027
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Speaker 2: So there you have it. That was Brent's story of Redemption.

1028
00:50:03,761 --> 00:50:06,601
Speaker 2: Next episode, we go back to Brent asking the questions

1029
00:50:07,001 --> 00:50:10,241
Speaker 2: as he sits down with the story of Mark. Angry

1030
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Speaker 2: Dad Orville. You'll know him from YouTube and Instagram. It's

1031
00:50:14,001 --> 00:50:17,321
Speaker 2: Angry Dad. See you next time on the Click Real

1032
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Speaker 2: Stories of.

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