WEBVTT - Sharri | 18 June 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:03.320 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.360 This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.959 Tonight President Trump poised to deploy bunker busting bombs, getting 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.000 after giving a run a final chance to surrender. We've 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.720 got full coverage tonight Miranda Devines on the show. She 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.560 reveals the pressure President Trump is under from the Maga 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.520 isolationists not to help Israel, and I speak exclusively on 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.720 the show live with Deputy Foreign Minister Sharan Haskell, her 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.000 first interview since the. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.760 War and Iran broke out. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.880 We'll get the latest on Supreme Leader Kamani. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.680 Is he likely to flee and seek exile. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.120 Plus, a record number of small businesses are going under 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:50.080 with the Albanezy government crippling the economy. But first tonight, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.120 Donald Trump is poised to send American buster bombers to 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:59.600 eliminate Iran's top secret nuclear facility four Doh, some ninety 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.280 meters underground. The President is making a final call on 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.000 whether to take this action. He's getting advice and pressure 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.759 from those around him. His administration is divided, which is 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.280 in my view, a reflection on some poor appointments, including 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.479 Tulsi Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence. A leak 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.400 in the Wall Street Journal today cast doubt on the 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.640 Israeli intel that suggests a nuclear weapon isn't far off. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.959 And clearly this leak came from one of those in 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:38.360 the Trump administration who's opposed to America supporting Israel, and 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:43.240 the propositions in the article were absurd. You trust Israeli 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:48.080 intelligence over the word of ideological and tainted US intel 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.240 agencies any day of the week. Mossad has shown what 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.800 it knows, what it can do, over and over and 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.480 over again. Just think of the Hesbeler pages to the 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.600 operation in Iran, to Nasraala being killed in his bunker, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:13.919 all based on accurate intelligence, often from deeply embedded undercover operatives. Plus, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.400 the International Atomic Energy Agency has ruled that Iran breached 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:23.120 its nuclear obligations and is developing more Uranian enrichment than 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:28.680 it could possibly use for civilian purposes. Both to the 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.400 Wall Street Journal league itself, that's most interesting. It shows 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.720 the angry divide inside the Trump administration over whether the 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:42.720 president should use the American weapons to penetrate Iranian mountains. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.919 It's being billed as one of the biggest decisions Trump 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:54.720 has to make, whether to bomb Iran's top nuclear site. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.160 To actually get it at those nuclear facilities which are 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.560 buried deep in a mountain. Israel needs the help of 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.079 American needs those two bombers and those bunker busting bombs, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.520 several of them, I think. And so that's the decision 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.880 that Donald Trump has to make. He's under a lot 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.160 of pressure, he's getting no advice from every. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.120 Quarter, and that Miranda Divine interview coming up later. But 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.000 there shouldn't be such a big decision. There are no 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.119 requests for American troops on the ground, there's no request 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.640 for Americans to put their lives on the line. In fact, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.520 there's very little risk given Israel has already seized control 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:41.120 of Iranian skies and destroyed some forty percent of its 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.120 missile launchers, oh and killed all of its military chiefs, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.200 including the top war chief. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.520 Young Israelis men and women have done all the heavy lifting. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.760 It's simply the weaponry that Israel needs. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.560 There shouldn't be such a difficult decision for Trump because 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.320 he could be the president that brings peace we've never 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.920 known in our lifetimes to the Middle East. And the 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.440 only way you get to peace is by eliminating the 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:16.440 terror and nuclear threat. That means actually dealing with Iran, 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.880 and not by engaging in yet more deals and negotiations 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.000 that everyone knows. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:24.839 The ayatolders won't keep. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.800 That's why the argument that anyone who wants to help 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.480 Israel is a warmonger is so absurd, and in fact 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.680 the opposite is true. Iran is responsible for more terrorism 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.680 around the world than any other nation, and this includes, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.240 of course financing the massacre of innocent families on October seven, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:52.200 along with many terror attacks against the West and America 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.039 over the years. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:54.720 It also, of course. 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:59.200 Is behind the terror groups Humus and Hesbalah, and it 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.920 will never give up its stated desire for the destruction 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.960 of Israel. In the past few days, Iatola Kamani posted 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.520 a chilling clip to social media showing hundreds of missiles 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.760 ready to fire at Israel, with a caption, the Islamic 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.480 Republic's armed forces will deal heavy blows to the evil 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:55.000 Zionist enemy. Iran isn't hiding its intent to destroy Israel, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:56.440 America and the West. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.440 It's boasting about it. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.640 There can be no peace while Iran remains a dangerous force, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.400 and allowing Iran to continue its enrichment program is the 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:12.680 path to a dangerous and bleique future. Taking out its 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.640 nuclear sites is the only path to peace in the region, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.120 and the step after that is expanding the Abraham McCords 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:25.839 with Saudi Arabia and perhaps other Arab nations. Trumpnetti Naho 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.279 had a call after the President's Situation Room meeting. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:30.640 They're in regular. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.080 Contact and they're on the same page when it comes 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.720 to the future of the Middle East. So to me, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:41.520 there's a lot of hand ringing going on, unnecessarily, but 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.520 there are signs the United States is preparing to use 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.640 its B two planes and bunker busters to take out 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.760 the photo fuel enrichment plant, maybe other sites too. Americay 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.280 is sending dozens of Air Force refueling jets and tankers 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.080 into the region that are needed for the B two 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.280 planes to operate, and the American Embassy in Jerusalem will 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.920 be closed for the next few days. And more importantly, 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:15.360 there's also Trump's public comments. He's calling on Iran to surrender. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.760 He's still giving the Mullers one last chance. Yet Iran 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.680 refuses to give up its nuclear program, even as its 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.320 regime is being brought to its knees. It is crippled 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.080 and their only way out now at this late stage 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.560 is with more diplomacy, the carrot of a trade deal 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.400 in return for giving up their nuclear enrichment program. Now, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.880 if the West agreed to this, if Trump did, it 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.600 would be a mistake. It would mean giving Iran likely 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.560 billions of dollars which they'll use to finance terror yet again. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.600 And ironically, the only hope for Iran now is if 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.120 Trump steps in to save them now. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:03.960 The Wall Street. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.800 Journal editorial today makes the point that this is also 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.760 a matter of deterrence for the United States, with Beijing 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.119 and Russia watching closely. It says, if the US won't 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.120 help one of its strongest and most loyal allies finish 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:22.520 the job of eliminating Iran's nuclear threat in uncontested airspace, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.800 the message to China will be that there is no 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:31.520 chance the US will defend Taiwan. But if Trump helps 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.439 Israel in force his own red lines against Iran's nuclear program, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.400 he can send a message that American deterrence means something again. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:44.800 And this is a powerful argument. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.880 So let's take a look at the weapon that's at 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.720 the heart of this discussion. These are the B two 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:58.640 stealth bombers, which can carry two thirteen thousand, six hundred 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:03.320 and seven kilogram thirteen six hundred and seven kilogram GBU 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.040 fifty seven bunker buster bombs, and this is the only 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:13.079 weapon capable of penetrating the mountains in Iran to reach 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:17.960 the nuclear facilities of four Dough underneath Mount Alvant. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:18.880 Which is south of Tehran. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.679 And this is how these weapons looked during a Testril 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:27.880 in twenty seventeen. Well, now the American media is reporting 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.920 that it's a thirty hour round trip from the Whiteman 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.880 Air Force Base in Missouri where these weapons are housed, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.200 and reporters are stationed outside to be the first to 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.720 know if there's movement. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.599 We've been out here waiting seeing if it's going to 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.520 take off. But this is a very special plane. It 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.400 is a stealth bomber, and as you pointed out, it 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.080 can carry a bunker buster bomb. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.360 But given there's media there, this would give Tehran at 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.840 least fifteen hours advance warning, which is an ideal and 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.680 could even be highly problematic. Well, I asked my sources 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.400 about this today and they told me that there are 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.959 actually already B two bombers in the region, far closer 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.720 than America. So perhaps those reporters will be waiting there 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:23.559 a long time. Now, there's no logical case against America 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.000 using these weapons on around nuclear sites that it refuses 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.760 to dismantle. The reason for the indecision simply comes down 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.920 to Trump's own power base, the isolationists and the Mega movement, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.960 who claim that America First means not being involved in 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.439 any foreign wars. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:42.320 Well. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.959 Donald Trump's former Press secretary, Kaylee mcinnaney obliterated this argument 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.280 on Fox News Today, where she is now a host. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.120 How is Bannon and the folks that you mentioned and 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.280 the people advocating for just sitting back and taking it easy, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.880 how are they any different than Biden's foreign policy. Biden's 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.600 foreign policy was I say don't and Putin does. I 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.480 say don't, and the Taliban takes over Afghanistan, I say don't, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.520 and two global wars start on my watch. That is 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.640 the Biden FORIGMN policy. That is, by no definition America first. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.840 Auran has had five decades, five decades, almost half a 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.520 century to talk, and what they've done instead killed six 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.120 hundred nine American troops in Iraq. What they've done is 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.480 put an assassination plot on President Trump's head. What they've 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.720 done is take American hostages and reac havoc on the world. 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.480 America First is not sitting in a beach chair and 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.920 using words. It's taking decisive action. When we can take 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.240 out four doh the one swoop of an airplane. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.640 She's excellent, and that's perfectly articulated, and it seems the 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:51.120 international community now agrees with her. Well aside that is 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:56.400 from out pathetic anti Israel Albanese government, but otherwise there 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.680 are no public objections to taking out the nuclear facility 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.360 from international leaders, none at all. In fact, the German 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.559 Chancellor publicly acknowledged that Israel is doing what he described 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.640 as the international community's dirty work, as Iran is the 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:17.560 source of so many terror attacks. Well, Trump should be 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.920 encouraged to take this action to create a safer future. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.800 It would be a legacy defining moment for his presidency 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.880 while providing something no other president has ever been able to, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.720 something that still plagues Bill Clinton to this day, creating 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.160 a pathway. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.920 For peace in the Middle East. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.600 This is a test of Trump's character and courage. The 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.559 young Israelis who put their lives on the line don't hesitate, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.120 and neither should he. Trump should claim his role in 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.679 history as the president who stood with Israel to obliterate 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.920 Iran's nuclear program. He should do his part to bravely 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.040 defend the West and return America to its rightful position 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.360 as leader of the free world. This is his moment 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.240 and he should seize it. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:16.439 All right. 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.920 A lot coming up on the show tonight, A big show, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.120 as I said, Exclusive interview with Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.120 Minister Sharen Haskell later plus Miranda Devine coming up. But 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.480 now let's jump straight into it with our panel labor 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.600 Agend Graham Richardson and filling in for Michael kroger Sky, 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:34.520 the news host Caleb Bond. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:35.920 Welcome to you both. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.079 Now, I actually want to start with the fact that 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.560 I'm being inundated with emails and messages from Australians who 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.640 are stranded in Israel or their family members, and they're 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.320 shocked that the Albanezy government is doing almost nothing to 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.200 help them evacuate the war zone. So the Albanezi government 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.800 rushed to bring Guarzans here, but they aren't doing enough 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.920 for Australian citizens in Israel, and I presume it would 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:02.920 be the same for Australian who are in Iran. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.839 Richo, the government should be doing more, shouldn't they? 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.480 Yeah, the government should be doing more. I think there's 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.720 an obvious gap here where that needs to be filled 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.040 and needs to be filled quickly. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.160 Caleb, this is a highly dangerous war zone. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.600 I mean, it's pretty irresponsible of the alban Easy government. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.920 You know, my friend Joel Bernie from Ajak, he's managed 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.760 to get two groups of people out of Israel by 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.120 evacuating them to Jordan, making sure they're met safely on 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:34.800 the other side. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.320 Am An Easy government's not doing that. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.280 Yeah, And for those people, and I know a number 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.200 of them have been involved, it's been a bit of 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.840 a trape's home. But that's part of the deal. I mean, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.440 it's not easy to get someone out of a war zone, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.680 but it's easy for a government to do it that 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.280 it is for a private organization to do it. And 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.560 of course a space over Iran is pretty much closed 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.120 at the moment. That's a different matter, but Israel is not. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.360 How hard can it be to get a few planes 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.480 in there or to a nearby country like Jordan, get 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.280 people over the border and get them out. If you 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.760 really wanted to do it, you could do it. It 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.440 takes logistics, it takes time, and it takes money. We've 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.880 done it before. It's not like these options aren't available 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.520 to us. So it doesn't say that there's no obvious 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.680 reason why you couldn't just do it now. Send the 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.720 planes over there, get it done, get them out there. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.880 And they couldn't send them to Bengurian Airport because that 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.720 is shut. But you're right, they could, of course to 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.600 Jordan or even potentially Egypt. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.480 But Jordan, I would say, is safer. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.160 Richo, just on the broader question of what I've been 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.560 speaking about tonight, But the whole world is waiting to 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.440 hear what Trump does. It does make sense for America 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.200 to back in Israel just to finish the job the 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.120 last ten percent, doesn't it? 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.160 Yeah, it does. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.960 I can't see a reason why, well, we can't go 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.320 along that line. Look, you muck around with these things 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:06.280 too much. What it requires is decisive people who make 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.360 big decisions and make them quickly. Not easy to do, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.080 but must be done. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.960 No, indeed, well perhaps not easy for some to do. Caleb. 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.760 Why is the Albanezi government so out of step with 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:18.480 the rest of. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.600 The world here? I mean, they can't praise Israel. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:26.320 They're finally using some harder language against Iran, but they're 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.720 certainly not endorsing Israel's campaign, not explicitly. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.280 I feel like they've been caught on the hop almost 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.400 because of course we know that the attitude they've taken 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.840 to the war throughout the entirety of this war. And 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.440 so you come to a point like this, which is 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.240 a pretty clear moral decision to be made for anyone 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.920 in the West, which is that Iran, in one way 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.360 or another, should not be able to have nuclear weapons, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.560 and that for the greater good of the entire world, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.960 let alone the West, it should not be allowed to 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.280 have nuclear weapons. And I feel like Pennywong and Anthony 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.440 ALBANIZI reached a point now where they feel like if 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.160 they were to say, well, actually, Israel is doing something 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.600 good for the world now, it would negate everything else 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.560 they have said throughout the war. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:11.800 And so they find. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.199 Themselves in this difficult position of thinking they have to 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.520 be consistent in everything they've said to this point. You know, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.840 they can admit, look, we haven't been on board with 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.200 Israel the whole time, bat on this point specifically, we 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.600 agree with what they are doing, which is for the 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.400 benefit of the West. If they can't even concede that 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.479 it is absolute weakness, which probably goes to it. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.119 It is it goes to. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.720 Part of the reason that Donald Trump didn't want anything 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.320 to do with it exactly. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.720 And on that point, Richo, I mean, we know Trump 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.919 skipped his meeting with alban easy to deal with Israel 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:45.439 and Iran. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:46.520 That's understandable. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.080 But now we hear that India's Neurandra Modi got a 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.560 phone call from Trump. So did Mexico's president Claudia Scheinbaum. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.040 No phone call for Alban EASi. So Richard, this is 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.880 just further humiliation, isn't it. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:01.160 Yeah. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.520 I wish I could describe it in a better way, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:09.359 but I think it's it is pretty humiliating. And I 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.639 hope we can get through this difficult period of relations 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.520 with the US because it's not helpful to anything. We 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.760 rely on them for so much and you can't take 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.600 them for granted. You've got to handle them very carefully. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:26.320 Well, Richard, now Albaneze is talking about, you know, possibly 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.960 a meeting on the sidelines of NATO. Well, rich O, 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.119 why can't he just visit Washington? I mean, is it 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.359 the case that Rudd seriously can't actually get a meeting 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.280 in Washington in the overal offers. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.520 It might be possible. I mean, I mean, Rudd's a 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.919 very unpopular character everywhere, and he has insulted personally the 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.680 United States President, which is something to do, but he's 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.720 done it, and that puts US in a pretty difficult position. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:56.359 You know. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.399 Really, why we got somebody in there as the ambassador who. 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:03.640 Can't talk to the president. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.840 At any time, Why we got back It's what Australian needs, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.560 is an ambassador and president's door get straight in. That's 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.159 what Australian needs because that's the importance of the friendship 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.840 and of being allies. But it is working. 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.440 I completely agree with you, and you know well, I 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.040 even broke the story that Rudd had called Trump a 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.840 village idiot. And yet I think you could have the 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.600 best possible ambassador that I mean, Scott Morrison or Greg 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.160 Norman could be the ambassador. And I still think now 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:37.520 the problem is Albanesi and Pennywong's foreign policy, the fact 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.600 that it is so removed from anything the US would 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.399 stand for, so removed from our own values. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.080 Would you agree with that, Caleb? 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:47.760 I think so. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:52.080 And of course, something we often ignore with Kevin Rudd, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.720 notwithstanding the fact that he has insulted Donald Trump for 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.879 is that there are many people within the Republican Party 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.439 who respect him for his knowledge on China and have 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.600 actually sought his knowledge on China. So there are people 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.879 who could tap Donald Trump on the shoulder and try 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.920 through Rudd to organize these sorts of things. But when 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.000 it comes to Albanizi, I think Trump is trying to 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.359 maneuver him quite cleverly on the matter of defense spending. 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.040 And the longer he draws this out, the longer he 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.000 makes Albanesi wait, the more he will make Albanesi sweat. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.760 And so when they finally get into a room, whether 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.320 it be on the sidelines of NATO or in the 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.280 White House, which is where he should be. I mean, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.320 for heaven's sake, the Prime Minister is in Canada right now. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.040 Why can't he pick up the phone and organize a 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.920 meeting at the White House in the next few days. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.159 He's in the region. But when Trump finally gets him 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.040 in a room, he wants to have made him sweat 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.720 long enough that he can get some concessions out of 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:51.120 the man. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:51.919 Yeah. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.400 Indeed, well, speaking of the g and just by the way, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.119 The point is Australia and ALBANIZI are so irrelevant. So 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.439 you know, Trump's not thinking about us, and yet we 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:04.440 think about him all of the time. I mean, speaking 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.200 of the G seven, there's only one moment that stole 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.479 the show, and that's the footage of Italian Prime Minister 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.879 Georgia Maloney rolling her eyes at a manual maccran. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:14.960 It's of course gone viral, have a. 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:21.360 Look, nothing official yet they haven't turned on the microphones 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.119 and sometimes you can pick something up in the side conversations. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:30.960 But I mean, Richard, this is just brilliant footage. We're 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:32.520 all rolling our eyes at Macron. 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:35.520 It is brilliant footage. 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.200 Jungle, I say, I don't think you very often see 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:44.840 something that is insightful as that is, and in what say, 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.879 is embarrassing in some respects for some people. I think 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.040 it's great vision and I wish we could. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:52.560 Get more of it. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.840 No, indeed, I mean calyb she's actually quite popular. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.000 When you think of her as a leader. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.080 I think she's brilliant. I mean her party, not necessarily 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.439 her own personal popularity would sort of been up and 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:06.879 down since she was elected in twenty twenty two. But 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.080 the polling in Italy shows that her party has increased 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.240 its share of the vote since she was elected in 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.959 twenty twenty two, so she is popular over there. I mean, 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.760 she's the closest thing we have to a modern Margaret Thatcher. Really, 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.240 I thought we might have had a few female leaders 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.040 in the UK that could measure rapt to thatch it, 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.439 but they never quite seem to get there. Georgia Maloney 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.080 seems to be the closest. You know, she's taken on 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.919 the things that people in Europe are worried about, particularly immigration. 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.680 She's a straight shooter and it's not the first time 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.959 we've seen her have a reaction like that. I mean, 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:38.760 we don't know what she was talking to mccron about, 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.719 whether she was rolling her eyes it's something that she 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.240 had seen to her, or whether they were gossiping about 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:44.679 something he. 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.960 Could have made some kind of correct she was just 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.000 agreeing with him rolling. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:51.399 But she's previously admolished Joe Biden for showing up to 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.199 a meeting late. Like she's not afraid to say what 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.280 she thinks, and it's not often these days that we 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.840 get a world leader like that. Donald Trump, of course, 0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:02.600 is one of them. Georgia Maloney is another you know 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.000 where she stands, and I think that's a great virtue. 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.320 I know, And it's so funny with foreign policy in 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.480 the middle of a wall where Donald Trump's tweeting everything, and. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.800 I mean it's quite I mean the idea, mind it, 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.080 the idea that someone could post something on social media 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.800 and then hundreds of thousands of people get in their 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.120 cars and drive out of a capital city like Teyran. 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.160 I mean, you would never have thought twenty years ago 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:26.040 this could exist. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.240 Right exactly. But also it's just how everything's changed. 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.800