Speaker 1: Approche production.
Speaker 2: Well, this is pretty crazy face to face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, how's that I sat in this room?
Speaker 2: Or in April of twenty twenty three?
Speaker 1: That long ago?
Speaker 2: That's how long ago?
Speaker 3: It was thirty other episodes ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a long it was only supposed to be eight.
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: So here we are, You've got a coffee. We're in
Speaker 2: the shed.
Speaker 4: But the good news is is just behind the shed
Speaker 4: is the building.
Speaker 2: It's pretty excity.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Last week you heard me sit down with Jackie Lamby
Speaker 4: at the shed in Saint Helen's. While there, I got
Speaker 4: the chance to sit down with Jason and Amanda the
Speaker 4: first time face to face in almost two years. At
Speaker 4: the table with us was also the person we've called
Speaker 4: a torpedo throughout the series. She's been in an immense
Speaker 4: help in progressing Eden's case. She doesn't want accolades, she
Speaker 4: just wants to help. Like most people connected with Jason
Speaker 4: and Amanda, it's not about praise. It's about finding an
Speaker 4: answer to their daughter's death. You heard last week about
Speaker 4: their excitement building the new house. Now we're sitting in
Speaker 4: the shed where they raised all their kids, including Eden.
Speaker 4: It is quite amazing when I sit in the shed.
Speaker 4: To realize that you've raised all those children in this.
Speaker 5: We've had a good friend that's visitors in the last
Speaker 5: couple of days who commended Amanda and how we've done that.
Speaker 1: But you've got to be mindful.
Speaker 6: They were little and once they started to get bigger,
Speaker 6: they started to leave and go to the defense.
Speaker 1: So we're leaving at seventeen to go.
Speaker 3: To the army.
Speaker 5: And when you look at them on the wall, look
Speaker 5: at Justine at seventeen, the baby a seventeen, their baby
Speaker 5: face children off to the Australian Army.
Speaker 3: Maybe that put them in good stead with.
Speaker 5: The way we live to be able to do the
Speaker 5: army because we know we live in this environment with
Speaker 5: the portoloo with a outside shower and living in the shed,
Speaker 5: so you know, camp and in a trench.
Speaker 3: Wasn't that bad that Tim and Justine?
Speaker 4: I really want the audience to know what you are
Speaker 4: like as people, right and I've always said you assaulted
Speaker 4: the earth people and I love you both for that.
Speaker 4: But it was interesting this morning. We've had Jackie Lamby
Speaker 4: here which you heard in the previous episode, and one
Speaker 4: of her people who was with her needed to go
Speaker 4: to the toilet and there was the Hey, by the way,
Speaker 4: it's a long drop.
Speaker 2: It's just a long drop.
Speaker 3: Fidestar camp. This is five star camping.
Speaker 2: It's probably going to be.
Speaker 3: A bit different.
Speaker 5: We actually put the throne in the other day of
Speaker 5: the plumbing and the septic.
Speaker 3: Now royal flush, the Royal flush, and it is going.
Speaker 5: To be the royal flush because we've got the septic
Speaker 5: into from the slab stage to the septic.
Speaker 3: In the ground. And now because we're.
Speaker 5: On rule and we need a septic system in, we're
Speaker 5: going to go environmentally friendly and new REGs have come in. Okay,
Speaker 5: those new riggs are going to cost us about twenty
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: From where we're in the ground at the moment.
Speaker 5: So that rule of lass a day plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'll be a royal flush, all right.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be a day to celebrate.
Speaker 6: But in saying that we have become who we are
Speaker 6: because of our environment, and we look at history and
Speaker 6: the way that people have lived in other parts of
Speaker 6: the world and even in Australia at times, and we thought,
Speaker 6: you know what, we can do this. We've got a
Speaker 6: roof over our head, we've got running water, we have electricity,
Speaker 6: what more.
Speaker 1: Do you need?
Speaker 2: And you've got a beautiful family and yeah.
Speaker 1: And we have our own food growing all the time.
Speaker 6: So and the family was so young that they didn't
Speaker 6: question it.
Speaker 1: They just said, this is great.
Speaker 6: We get to run outside and have a big opening
Speaker 6: for a door and go in and appreciating.
Speaker 5: They all appreciate the way we brought them up. There's
Speaker 5: not one of them that haven't appreciated it.
Speaker 1: No, And it's not to say we don't like nice things.
Speaker 3: I love nice sense.
Speaker 6: It's just that when you dealt with something, it's how
Speaker 6: you respond to it. And we just tried to make
Speaker 6: it as comfortable as possible. And if it wasn't comfortable,
Speaker 6: we just simply wouldn't be here. And that's the bottom line.
Speaker 6: And I'm a woman and I want comforts.
Speaker 4: We've heard over the last three episodes ten reasons why
Speaker 4: Eden's case should be relooked at. We heard Jackie Lamby
Speaker 4: last week in person sitting where we're sitting right now.
Speaker 4: And then we heard her speech which was impassion in parliament.
Speaker 1: That's the way Jackie does it.
Speaker 4: This is a really tough time for you guys, because
Speaker 4: it's ten years since Eden passed.
Speaker 3: You say that, Jay, it is tough.
Speaker 5: But as you know, I saw Jackie here being interviewed
Speaker 5: by you, and to see that woman of such strong
Speaker 5: character and personality in tears over Eden, that was incredibly emotional.
Speaker 5: To see such a strong woman so hurt by what
Speaker 5: the injustice Worth experienced. She feels it. And that's what
Speaker 5: Jackie said to me. When she stands for someone, she
Speaker 5: feels it. When she goes into her veterans family and
Speaker 5: she's dealing with them, she feels the family. And that's
Speaker 5: what I got to experience in what I saw of Jackie,
Speaker 5: and it was powerful, Mate, it was really emotional, and
Speaker 5: I'll remember that for the rest.
Speaker 6: And it may not look like sometimes that we're hurting
Speaker 6: or we're getting on with life or we're doing something fun,
Speaker 6: because we're actually allowed to still find joy. But Jason
Speaker 6: and I always hurt. We're always hurting. Whenever we're writing
Speaker 6: a letter, we're always hurting. We put on a brave front,
Speaker 6: but we're in pain every day. And we might be
Speaker 6: in the garden or we might be out doing something
Speaker 6: fun and it'll just strike you. It just comes over you,
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden you're feeling quite emotional, and
Speaker 6: you're in tears and you're thinking, oh my god, I've
Speaker 6: got to get out of this conversation that I'm in
Speaker 6: because the person's going to not know what's happening. But
Speaker 6: it's just something that just comes over you, and it's
Speaker 6: I think over the years, we've learned to have a
Speaker 6: little sense of control of it, not a whole sense,
Speaker 6: but a little sense of control of if we don't
Speaker 6: let it come to the surface when it's coming to
Speaker 6: the surface, it will spill out when we least need
Speaker 6: it to.
Speaker 1: So when I seen.
Speaker 6: Jackie upset, I just had to hold her. I had
Speaker 6: to let her know that this is what we feel
Speaker 6: every day. We wake up in the morning and it's real.
Speaker 6: It's gone. She's not with us anymore, and she's been murdered.
Speaker 6: Somebody has actually done this to her. It's heinous knowing
Speaker 6: what has happened to her, it's cruel.
Speaker 4: You could tell that Jackie is a politician that's doing
Speaker 4: this for notoriety or to enhance a campaign of any sort.
Speaker 1: She's already great.
Speaker 3: She's doing it because she cares.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a real person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not.
Speaker 6: Some phony that's standing in front of the people asking
Speaker 6: the people to agree with the lies. They want me
Speaker 6: to agree with a lie against my own child, and
Speaker 6: I didn't even lie to her, only about Santa Claus.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if over the last few years I've
Speaker 4: adequately conveyed what wonderful people Jason Amanda are. Not just
Speaker 4: discreeving parents, but in general. I admire them for how
Speaker 4: they talk about their kids, but you can also hear
Speaker 4: it in the way the kids talk about them. Earlier
Speaker 4: in the morning, before we started recording, I was setting
Speaker 4: up their eldest daughter, Bobby Lee called to talk to
Speaker 4: mom and dad. Bobby Lee's call this morning was really interesting,
Speaker 4: and you put her on speakerphone, and what I found
Speaker 4: really special was this, as a thirty two year old woman,
Speaker 4: she's calling mum and dad to say, Hey, I got
Speaker 4: this really great compliment at work today and I've forwarded
Speaker 4: the email.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how special is that?
Speaker 5: It's nice that they want to share those moments with
Speaker 5: their mum and dad, and we are part of those
Speaker 5: moments because we feel that Bobby Lee's a really bubbly,
Speaker 5: out going personality, as you know, and it was nice
Speaker 5: to see that that's what she's getting from her workplace
Speaker 5: and the customers, and she.
Speaker 1: Calls us often.
Speaker 6: Previously it's been spoken the compliments, so this one was
Speaker 6: actually written to her boss, so that's why she was
Speaker 6: able to say it.
Speaker 1: Was written again.
Speaker 6: But she's called us when anybody's ever been kind to her,
Speaker 6: or people from Saint Helen's have even gone there, and
Speaker 6: she calls us and tells us. And it's a good
Speaker 6: will story because there is a lot of hurt in
Speaker 6: our family and our children suffer.
Speaker 5: Pobbly defines other parents on how often that children call them.
Speaker 5: She says, I call you every day, Dad, Mum, And
Speaker 5: that's why because of the parents you are. So we're
Speaker 5: lucky because we're a close knit family.
Speaker 6: And even some of the siblings say, oh, you do
Speaker 6: too much for this one, and you do too much.
Speaker 6: You don't have to do that for me, and you don't.
Speaker 6: We say no, this is the parent that we choose
Speaker 6: to be where there's soft place to land. We hope
Speaker 6: like what you've given us a soft place to land.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting.
Speaker 4: So using that analogy around Bobby Lee calling Mum and
Speaker 4: Dad to say I've got a really nice compliment, and
Speaker 4: then Justine's milling around here, I met her for the
Speaker 4: first time today, and a lovely girl. And we were
Speaker 4: just sitting out there talking and she was telling me
Speaker 4: the story of how dad's a great horse rider and
Speaker 4: we're all going to go horse riding, and Dad's got
Speaker 4: this photo of him with his shirt off and a
Speaker 4: gun slung over his back on a horse. It's beautiful
Speaker 4: hearing how your children.
Speaker 2: Talk about you.
Speaker 6: And Jason was always in cutoff jeans looking like a
Speaker 6: little hottie, even back when we were just friends.
Speaker 1: We both used to look at each other like you're cute.
Speaker 6: And then later on in life, when I was nineteen
Speaker 6: and he was twenty one, I think.
Speaker 5: You put brown eyed girl. She was nineteen, I was
Speaker 5: twenty one, thirty five years later.
Speaker 4: So a lots happened in the last ten years. Things
Speaker 4: sort of felt like they were moving towards the end
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four, you know, we had a couple
Speaker 4: of conversations with Guy Barnett. It seemed like it was
Speaker 4: all positive, and then sort of we hit the Christmas
Speaker 4: break and everything just a massive handbrake on any action
Speaker 4: from the government and the people in power currently. How
Speaker 4: are you feeling about the lack of action in the
Speaker 4: last couple of months.
Speaker 6: Well, when somebody doesn't put something in writing to me,
Speaker 6: I don't believe what they say. So when anybody has
Speaker 6: said to me verbally they're going to do something, I
Speaker 6: take it with a grain of salt. In regards to
Speaker 6: the Attorney General, he has said nice things. I'm yet
Speaker 6: to have any action in full. They've assured me the
Speaker 6: changing of the law of the outdated autopsy photos not
Speaker 6: to be released to families in Tasmania only state in
Speaker 6: the country that's not allowed to have autopsy photos, and
Speaker 6: I think it was nineteen ninety six that this was
Speaker 6: changed to this.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering has it.
Speaker 6: Got anything to do with Port Arthur because they never
Speaker 6: had an inquest. Not one single person that lost a
Speaker 6: family member in Port Arthur got an inquest. And funnily enough,
Speaker 6: Paul Reynolds bragged about being part of that scene and
Speaker 6: two unsolved murders in Saint Helen's and Bo Marris. How
Speaker 6: do you brag about being part of such a messy,
Speaker 6: messy thing.
Speaker 5: Going back to Guy Barnett and what he's promised and
Speaker 5: what he's said to us, I feel the procrastinations. The
Speaker 5: old thing is the theft and on borderline think what's
Speaker 5: happening is quite gutless and weak, and I'm angry about
Speaker 5: it because we're just being treated with contempt and my
Speaker 5: children and we thought, well further than that, and it
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like we are.
Speaker 3: We've been writing several.
Speaker 5: Letters to the Minister of Police Felix, and he won't
Speaker 5: even right back.
Speaker 2: Jay.
Speaker 5: Now that's alarming and it's concerning, and I'm not sure
Speaker 5: why he's not acknowledging me he's handing them over to
Speaker 5: the Police Commissioner, because I get an email the very
Speaker 5: next day, but I have not heard one response from
Speaker 5: the Police Minister Felix. They won't even open the conversation.
Speaker 5: And get this, that's concerning.
Speaker 6: At the tabling of the Royal Commission into Ashley Detention Center,
Speaker 6: there was a little tea party afterwards, and I'm standing
Speaker 6: there by myself and I've got these men be lining me,
Speaker 6: Jeremy Ratcliffe, Michael Ferguson, Felix, Alex all asking me about
Speaker 6: this situation with Felix. And then I said, what is
Speaker 6: it going to take another one of my kids to
Speaker 6: be killed? And I was expecting Felix to say, of course,
Speaker 6: not missus Westbrook. But he didn't say anything. He did
Speaker 6: not say no, that would not happen. What I'm saying
Speaker 6: as a police minister, you've got some real work on
Speaker 6: your hands to clean up the mess of reen hidtings firstly,
Speaker 6: and then you've got these young recruit police coming in
Speaker 6: just qualifying to be police, having a conversation with the
Speaker 6: regular common person saying that the Westbrooks should get over this.
Speaker 6: It's nonsense, it's not even real. So if a new.
Speaker 1: Recruit is thinking like that, where coming from.
Speaker 6: It's coming from the head and the fish rots from.
Speaker 1: The head down.
Speaker 4: How was it hearing Jackie talk about what she wants,
Speaker 4: the rope, the autopsy photos, the change to the law.
Speaker 6: How did that make you feel empowered? Fierce a little territorial.
Speaker 6: We've got the right person on our team. She's legit,
Speaker 6: she's straight up, she's accountable, she served our country. How
Speaker 6: can somebody that has that much knowledge on this country
Speaker 6: not be recognized as somebody that is great. She's always
Speaker 6: making a friends, always kept more people alive in this
Speaker 6: country than I can.
Speaker 5: She's Australia politician currently at the moment, and I don't
Speaker 5: think she has anything to worry about getting elected in
Speaker 5: because Jackie does her job.
Speaker 4: From my experience, she does what she says she's going
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 6: And she's not just paying people. She's not giving this
Speaker 6: community a new soccer field and a new toilet block
Speaker 6: to get things.
Speaker 4: Jackie Lamby is really loved in Tasmania, which was evident
Speaker 4: on the day I arrived. Contractors kept turning up to
Speaker 4: Jason and Amanda's place to work on their new house,
Speaker 4: and each of them wanted to talk to Jackie.
Speaker 5: Because we're in the build, We've got people that are
Speaker 5: arriving at different times, and we had the pump guy come.
Speaker 5: The concrete pump is at Jackie Lamby. I know Jackie,
Speaker 5: he says, I've got to go and talk to Jackie.
Speaker 5: He went down and shook her hand and give her
Speaker 5: a Huggi's edmember and she knew him. Amanda takes Jackie
Speaker 5: around to have a look at the Kiwi for it.
Speaker 5: Our name over next door Ollen is that Jackie And
Speaker 5: he said, we love you, Jackie.
Speaker 3: And these are just typical men that admire her. And
Speaker 3: that's what I see out there in society. We all
Speaker 3: love Jackie. Mate. How can you not love that? Woman.
Speaker 5: I've seen that woman cry, you mate, crying over my daughter.
Speaker 3: That was so emotional.
Speaker 6: Jake, I think it's to you get really heavily involved
Speaker 6: and you see they're hurt.
Speaker 3: It's been going on too long.
Speaker 1: I just we just want to know the truth.
Speaker 5: And it's more important of the West Books than the
Speaker 5: kids to know what happened to their daughter.
Speaker 1: And their sister. And we need to know this and
Speaker 1: they're never going to move on.
Speaker 5: We're in good hands with Jackie, and we're in good
Speaker 5: hands with another couple of people too, which I can't
Speaker 5: mention one sitting.
Speaker 2: Around the table really hard. Yeah, but what we can't.
Speaker 4: Mention, No, we're talking about the torpedo who's going full
Speaker 4: double eight.
Speaker 1: But let's move on book A knowledge on also name.
Speaker 4: There's been a couple of things that have happened that
Speaker 4: are outside of the Eden case, which shows you now
Speaker 4: have the support of the community. The first is the
Speaker 4: card that you showed me. You've heard me talk about
Speaker 4: how much I admired Jason and Amanda, but here's a
Speaker 4: story that sort of epitomizes who they are as people.
Speaker 4: Just before Christmas, Jason was at the local ida and
Speaker 4: saw a woman who had locked her keys in a car.
Speaker 4: She recognized Jason from the podcast, and she asked him
Speaker 4: for help.
Speaker 3: Hunter.
Speaker 5: As you know, I was down with Jack for the
Speaker 5: holidays and they were in the car park.
Speaker 3: She needed something from me. So I've driven down there and.
Speaker 5: I'm just having a conversation with a lot good Hunter.
Speaker 3: How you go on? And this woman said, excuse me,
Speaker 3: are you Jason Westbrook.
Speaker 5: I've been listening to the podcast sent me her best
Speaker 5: wishes and I said, oh, yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: And then she says, oh, look, I've actually locked my keys.
Speaker 5: In my dad's truck. Would you go able to help me?
Speaker 5: I had some wire and that wrapped aside went and
Speaker 5: got that and I got in and I just couldn't
Speaker 5: get it. And I said, oh, look, I'm sorry. I said,
Speaker 5: are you with RACT? She says no, but my daughter is.
Speaker 5: I said I will give them a call. They'll come
Speaker 5: and unlock it. Anyway, I ended up getting her to
Speaker 5: ring and she says, oh, my daughter's an RACT member
Speaker 5: and he says no, she in the car and she
Speaker 5: said no, well, I can't come because you've got to
Speaker 5: be in the car. And then I said, I just
Speaker 5: hang up. I said I can get him here. So
Speaker 5: I rang RCT booked him in for I've locked my
Speaker 5: keys in the car.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting with the passenger.
Speaker 5: It comes along five minutes later and he pulls it out.
Speaker 5: She was so happy, and she's pulled out like I
Speaker 5: saw two fifty dominapes and she says like, look, I
Speaker 5: just want to pay you for what you did. I said,
Speaker 5: I don't want your money. Married Christmas. She said, look,
Speaker 5: thanks so much, and she's left.
Speaker 3: Yesterday was it yesterday? Day before? I was doing it
Speaker 3: up at the slab and the car's pulled and I.
Speaker 5: Heard the dog's bark, and then I've heard Amanda come
Speaker 5: around with some guy I've never seen, and he's got
Speaker 5: these cards in his hand and he's there.
Speaker 3: I saw the woman that I helped, and she said,
Speaker 3: get Jason.
Speaker 5: I couldn't not come thank you personally.
Speaker 3: I just want my husband day May.
Speaker 5: We just wanted to give you this card, so I'm
Speaker 5: going to read it to you.
Speaker 3: Jay to Jason, thank you for your.
Speaker 5: Kind act in the supermarket car park and helping me
Speaker 5: with the ract after locking my keys and my dad's
Speaker 5: lean cruiser. Forever grateful with regards, Tracy, Amanda and Jason,
Speaker 5: keep advocating for your family and dear Eden, your strength
Speaker 5: and unity is inspiring with.
Speaker 6: Love, and give us a fifty dollars voucher for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a fifty dollars voucher which we because
Speaker 5: there was everyone coming, We've got cheese platter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then when I arrived this morning, I was talking
Speaker 4: to Jason. He was on the bar out the front
Speaker 4: and doing a quick mail of the lawns before everyone
Speaker 4: gets here, and he said, oh, Jay, you're not going
Speaker 4: to believe this.
Speaker 2: I've been nominated.
Speaker 3: Tell me about them.
Speaker 4: Tell me about the award, Jason, because I think again,
Speaker 4: this is just highlights.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I received one on two letters of received Jacob. One
Speaker 5: was on the third of January. This is from the
Speaker 5: Breaka Day Camp from my friends mate. Actually, the man
Speaker 5: Mick Tucker would like to invite you to attend Australia
Speaker 5: Day Awards, which are being held at the Portland Hall
Speaker 5: on Friday, the twenty sixth of January twenty twenty five
Speaker 5: at eleven am. You are receiving an invitation as you
Speaker 5: have been nominated for Australia Day Award.
Speaker 1: How good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what regard?
Speaker 5: Why citizen for mowing and looking after the Fisherman's Memorial
Speaker 5: Park for the last decade for not only Eden, but
Speaker 5: for the fishermen that have lost their lives while pursuing
Speaker 5: their careers.
Speaker 3: And you get paid for that.
Speaker 1: It's a labor of love. We do love to do that.
Speaker 6: The fishermen's widows were getting a little old, so they
Speaker 6: weren't able to look after it to the point where
Speaker 6: they would have liked it because they planted all the
Speaker 6: trees and all the gardens that are in there. So
Speaker 6: we took over it. The council and us all worked
Speaker 6: together to make sure that the whole town smote at
Speaker 6: the same time.
Speaker 5: When I got this letter, I took a photo of
Speaker 5: it and sent it to Donnie, my youngest son, Dante.
Speaker 3: He said, well, it makes goddamn sense.
Speaker 5: You're a great citizen, you know what, Jay, I don't
Speaker 5: care what happens on that day. To get that from
Speaker 5: my youngest son, that means everything to me so great.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate being nominated. I've already won.
Speaker 5: When my son writes that to me, mate, I'm chuffed, truly.
Speaker 6: And it was the cheeky couple from Swansea that did
Speaker 6: the stickers in the badge that nominated Jason and I
Speaker 6: call them cheeky because they wrote to the Westbrook Legends.
Speaker 4: At the start of each year, people do a vision board.
Speaker 4: I want to pose the question to you to what
Speaker 4: does twenty twenty five look like in regards to Eden.
Speaker 6: Well, for a premonition that I can see the autopsy
Speaker 6: photos will be released, those that are unattainable would have
Speaker 6: stepped down and have no longer a position of authority,
Speaker 6: power and respect, because once we have them, we can
Speaker 6: concur with what's been told to us from witnesses that
Speaker 6: see Eden on that night, and it's awful, it's really horrible.
Speaker 1: But we need them to take the next step forward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to see laws change that need to change,
Speaker 5: and accountability to those that have lied.
Speaker 1: We're not agreeing with the lie either.
Speaker 6: Everyone that history likes to do History likes to say, well,
Speaker 6: let's all just agree on the one lie, shall we.
Speaker 1: No, we're not agreeing with any of that.
Speaker 6: Some of them may die with the lie, but I
Speaker 6: can assure you the ones that you don't know don't
Speaker 6: want to die with the lie.
Speaker 1: They want a clear conscience. They're spilling the tea and
Speaker 6: That's why Jackie says, everybody come clean and we might
Speaker 6: have a little lenience for you.