1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:15,881 --> 00:00:18,241 Speaker 2: Well, this is pretty crazy face to face. 3 00:00:18,481 --> 00:00:22,401 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, how's that I sat in this room? 4 00:00:22,721 --> 00:00:24,881 Speaker 2: Or in April of twenty twenty three? 5 00:00:25,121 --> 00:00:25,681 Speaker 1: That long ago? 6 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:26,441 Speaker 2: That's how long ago? 7 00:00:26,481 --> 00:00:28,161 Speaker 3: It was thirty other episodes ago. 8 00:00:28,681 --> 00:00:30,961 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a long it was only supposed to be eight. 9 00:00:31,481 --> 00:00:32,281 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 10 00:00:32,521 --> 00:00:34,281 Speaker 2: So here we are, You've got a coffee. We're in 11 00:00:34,281 --> 00:00:34,841 Speaker 2: the shed. 12 00:00:35,161 --> 00:00:39,001 Speaker 4: But the good news is is just behind the shed 13 00:00:39,721 --> 00:00:40,281 Speaker 4: is the building. 14 00:00:40,281 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: It's pretty excity. 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 16 00:00:41,881 --> 00:00:44,281 Speaker 4: Last week you heard me sit down with Jackie Lamby 17 00:00:44,601 --> 00:00:48,481 Speaker 4: at the shed in Saint Helen's. While there, I got 18 00:00:48,521 --> 00:00:51,361 Speaker 4: the chance to sit down with Jason and Amanda the 19 00:00:51,361 --> 00:00:54,881 Speaker 4: first time face to face in almost two years. At 20 00:00:54,881 --> 00:00:57,161 Speaker 4: the table with us was also the person we've called 21 00:00:57,161 --> 00:01:00,961 Speaker 4: a torpedo throughout the series. She's been in an immense 22 00:01:01,001 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 4: help in progressing Eden's case. She doesn't want accolades, she 23 00:01:05,281 --> 00:01:08,401 Speaker 4: just wants to help. Like most people connected with Jason 24 00:01:08,441 --> 00:01:11,321 Speaker 4: and Amanda, it's not about praise. It's about finding an 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,121 Speaker 4: answer to their daughter's death. You heard last week about 26 00:01:15,121 --> 00:01:18,241 Speaker 4: their excitement building the new house. Now we're sitting in 27 00:01:18,241 --> 00:01:21,681 Speaker 4: the shed where they raised all their kids, including Eden. 28 00:01:23,881 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: It is quite amazing when I sit in the shed. 29 00:01:26,721 --> 00:01:29,481 Speaker 4: To realize that you've raised all those children in this. 30 00:01:31,121 --> 00:01:33,321 Speaker 5: We've had a good friend that's visitors in the last 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,121 Speaker 5: couple of days who commended Amanda and how we've done that. 32 00:01:37,881 --> 00:01:38,881 Speaker 1: But you've got to be mindful. 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,161 Speaker 6: They were little and once they started to get bigger, 34 00:01:42,721 --> 00:01:45,121 Speaker 6: they started to leave and go to the defense. 35 00:01:45,161 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: So we're leaving at seventeen to go. 36 00:01:46,761 --> 00:01:47,521 Speaker 3: To the army. 37 00:01:47,961 --> 00:01:49,441 Speaker 5: And when you look at them on the wall, look 38 00:01:49,481 --> 00:01:53,001 Speaker 5: at Justine at seventeen, the baby a seventeen, their baby 39 00:01:53,041 --> 00:01:55,641 Speaker 5: face children off to the Australian Army. 40 00:01:56,041 --> 00:01:58,281 Speaker 3: Maybe that put them in good stead with. 41 00:01:58,321 --> 00:02:00,881 Speaker 5: The way we live to be able to do the 42 00:02:01,001 --> 00:02:04,041 Speaker 5: army because we know we live in this environment with 43 00:02:04,121 --> 00:02:07,281 Speaker 5: the portoloo with a outside shower and living in the shed, 44 00:02:07,361 --> 00:02:09,161 Speaker 5: so you know, camp and in a trench. 45 00:02:09,241 --> 00:02:11,481 Speaker 3: Wasn't that bad that Tim and Justine? 46 00:02:12,081 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: I really want the audience to know what you are 47 00:02:15,921 --> 00:02:18,921 Speaker 4: like as people, right and I've always said you assaulted 48 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:22,361 Speaker 4: the earth people and I love you both for that. 49 00:02:22,761 --> 00:02:25,441 Speaker 4: But it was interesting this morning. We've had Jackie Lamby 50 00:02:25,481 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 4: here which you heard in the previous episode, and one 51 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,281 Speaker 4: of her people who was with her needed to go 52 00:02:31,361 --> 00:02:34,481 Speaker 4: to the toilet and there was the Hey, by the way, 53 00:02:34,601 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: it's a long drop. 54 00:02:36,721 --> 00:02:37,881 Speaker 2: It's just a long drop. 55 00:02:39,201 --> 00:02:41,321 Speaker 3: Fidestar camp. This is five star camping. 56 00:02:41,641 --> 00:02:42,481 Speaker 2: It's probably going to be. 57 00:02:42,481 --> 00:02:42,961 Speaker 3: A bit different. 58 00:02:43,601 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 5: We actually put the throne in the other day of 59 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,201 Speaker 5: the plumbing and the septic. 60 00:02:47,161 --> 00:02:49,961 Speaker 3: Now royal flush, the Royal flush, and it is going. 61 00:02:49,761 --> 00:02:51,721 Speaker 5: To be the royal flush because we've got the septic 62 00:02:51,761 --> 00:02:54,481 Speaker 5: into from the slab stage to the septic. 63 00:02:54,121 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: In the ground. And now because we're. 64 00:02:56,081 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 5: On rule and we need a septic system in, we're 65 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,601 Speaker 5: going to go environmentally friendly and new REGs have come in. Okay, 66 00:03:02,081 --> 00:03:03,681 Speaker 5: those new riggs are going to cost us about twenty 67 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,761 Speaker 5: five thousand dollars. 68 00:03:04,641 --> 00:03:06,921 Speaker 3: From where we're in the ground at the moment. 69 00:03:07,001 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 5: So that rule of lass a day plus. 70 00:03:10,761 --> 00:03:12,281 Speaker 3: Yeah, she'll be a royal flush, all right. 71 00:03:12,441 --> 00:03:14,081 Speaker 2: So it's going to be a day to celebrate. 72 00:03:15,601 --> 00:03:19,041 Speaker 6: But in saying that we have become who we are 73 00:03:19,441 --> 00:03:23,361 Speaker 6: because of our environment, and we look at history and 74 00:03:23,481 --> 00:03:26,041 Speaker 6: the way that people have lived in other parts of 75 00:03:26,081 --> 00:03:28,641 Speaker 6: the world and even in Australia at times, and we thought, 76 00:03:28,641 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 6: you know what, we can do this. We've got a 77 00:03:29,881 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 6: roof over our head, we've got running water, we have electricity, 78 00:03:33,041 --> 00:03:33,681 Speaker 6: what more. 79 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,121 Speaker 1: Do you need? 80 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,121 Speaker 2: And you've got a beautiful family and yeah. 81 00:03:36,001 --> 00:03:38,441 Speaker 1: And we have our own food growing all the time. 82 00:03:38,521 --> 00:03:42,081 Speaker 6: So and the family was so young that they didn't 83 00:03:42,161 --> 00:03:42,761 Speaker 6: question it. 84 00:03:42,801 --> 00:03:44,081 Speaker 1: They just said, this is great. 85 00:03:44,121 --> 00:03:47,201 Speaker 6: We get to run outside and have a big opening 86 00:03:47,321 --> 00:03:51,241 Speaker 6: for a door and go in and appreciating. 87 00:03:50,321 --> 00:03:52,561 Speaker 5: They all appreciate the way we brought them up. There's 88 00:03:52,601 --> 00:03:54,761 Speaker 5: not one of them that haven't appreciated it. 89 00:03:54,881 --> 00:03:57,681 Speaker 1: No, And it's not to say we don't like nice things. 90 00:03:57,841 --> 00:03:58,721 Speaker 3: I love nice sense. 91 00:03:58,841 --> 00:04:02,041 Speaker 6: It's just that when you dealt with something, it's how 92 00:04:02,161 --> 00:04:05,241 Speaker 6: you respond to it. And we just tried to make 93 00:04:05,321 --> 00:04:09,761 Speaker 6: it as comfortable as possible. And if it wasn't comfortable, 94 00:04:10,081 --> 00:04:13,761 Speaker 6: we just simply wouldn't be here. And that's the bottom line. 95 00:04:14,201 --> 00:04:16,681 Speaker 6: And I'm a woman and I want comforts. 96 00:04:17,281 --> 00:04:20,801 Speaker 4: We've heard over the last three episodes ten reasons why 97 00:04:21,241 --> 00:04:23,961 Speaker 4: Eden's case should be relooked at. We heard Jackie Lamby 98 00:04:24,041 --> 00:04:28,641 Speaker 4: last week in person sitting where we're sitting right now. 99 00:04:29,161 --> 00:04:32,721 Speaker 4: And then we heard her speech which was impassion in parliament. 100 00:04:33,561 --> 00:04:34,761 Speaker 1: That's the way Jackie does it. 101 00:04:34,961 --> 00:04:38,001 Speaker 4: This is a really tough time for you guys, because 102 00:04:38,521 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: it's ten years since Eden passed. 103 00:04:42,561 --> 00:04:44,161 Speaker 3: You say that, Jay, it is tough. 104 00:04:44,281 --> 00:04:47,281 Speaker 5: But as you know, I saw Jackie here being interviewed 105 00:04:47,281 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 5: by you, and to see that woman of such strong 106 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,881 Speaker 5: character and personality in tears over Eden, that was incredibly emotional. 107 00:04:55,921 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 5: To see such a strong woman so hurt by what 108 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,161 Speaker 5: the injustice Worth experienced. She feels it. And that's what 109 00:05:03,241 --> 00:05:05,681 Speaker 5: Jackie said to me. When she stands for someone, she 110 00:05:05,801 --> 00:05:08,841 Speaker 5: feels it. When she goes into her veterans family and 111 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,841 Speaker 5: she's dealing with them, she feels the family. And that's 112 00:05:11,841 --> 00:05:14,041 Speaker 5: what I got to experience in what I saw of Jackie, 113 00:05:14,081 --> 00:05:17,161 Speaker 5: and it was powerful, Mate, it was really emotional, and 114 00:05:17,721 --> 00:05:19,321 Speaker 5: I'll remember that for the rest. 115 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 6: And it may not look like sometimes that we're hurting 116 00:05:22,601 --> 00:05:25,321 Speaker 6: or we're getting on with life or we're doing something fun, 117 00:05:25,561 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 6: because we're actually allowed to still find joy. But Jason 118 00:05:30,201 --> 00:05:33,761 Speaker 6: and I always hurt. We're always hurting. Whenever we're writing 119 00:05:33,761 --> 00:05:37,401 Speaker 6: a letter, we're always hurting. We put on a brave front, 120 00:05:38,281 --> 00:05:42,481 Speaker 6: but we're in pain every day. And we might be 121 00:05:42,521 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 6: in the garden or we might be out doing something 122 00:05:44,721 --> 00:05:47,721 Speaker 6: fun and it'll just strike you. It just comes over you, 123 00:05:47,921 --> 00:05:50,481 Speaker 6: and all of a sudden you're feeling quite emotional, and 124 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,881 Speaker 6: you're in tears and you're thinking, oh my god, I've 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: got to get out of this conversation that I'm in 126 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:58,161 Speaker 6: because the person's going to not know what's happening. But 127 00:05:58,201 --> 00:06:01,121 Speaker 6: it's just something that just comes over you, and it's 128 00:06:01,721 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 6: I think over the years, we've learned to have a 129 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,561 Speaker 6: little sense of control of it, not a whole sense, 130 00:06:09,121 --> 00:06:11,841 Speaker 6: but a little sense of control of if we don't 131 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,001 Speaker 6: let it come to the surface when it's coming to 132 00:06:14,001 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 6: the surface, it will spill out when we least need 133 00:06:18,241 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 6: it to. 134 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: So when I seen. 135 00:06:21,841 --> 00:06:24,441 Speaker 6: Jackie upset, I just had to hold her. I had 136 00:06:24,481 --> 00:06:26,321 Speaker 6: to let her know that this is what we feel 137 00:06:26,361 --> 00:06:28,761 Speaker 6: every day. We wake up in the morning and it's real. 138 00:06:29,161 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 6: It's gone. She's not with us anymore, and she's been murdered. 139 00:06:32,401 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 6: Somebody has actually done this to her. It's heinous knowing 140 00:06:37,961 --> 00:06:40,241 Speaker 6: what has happened to her, it's cruel. 141 00:06:40,641 --> 00:06:45,081 Speaker 4: You could tell that Jackie is a politician that's doing 142 00:06:45,121 --> 00:06:51,481 Speaker 4: this for notoriety or to enhance a campaign of any sort. 143 00:06:51,561 --> 00:06:52,361 Speaker 1: She's already great. 144 00:06:52,561 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: She's doing it because she cares. 145 00:06:55,521 --> 00:06:56,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a real person. 146 00:06:56,761 --> 00:06:58,681 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's not. 147 00:06:58,761 --> 00:07:02,361 Speaker 6: Some phony that's standing in front of the people asking 148 00:07:02,361 --> 00:07:05,721 Speaker 6: the people to agree with the lies. They want me 149 00:07:05,801 --> 00:07:08,361 Speaker 6: to agree with a lie against my own child, and 150 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,001 Speaker 6: I didn't even lie to her, only about Santa Claus. 151 00:07:11,241 --> 00:07:13,601 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if over the last few years I've 152 00:07:13,641 --> 00:07:18,561 Speaker 4: adequately conveyed what wonderful people Jason Amanda are. Not just 153 00:07:18,641 --> 00:07:22,401 Speaker 4: discreeving parents, but in general. I admire them for how 154 00:07:22,441 --> 00:07:25,241 Speaker 4: they talk about their kids, but you can also hear 155 00:07:25,321 --> 00:07:28,441 Speaker 4: it in the way the kids talk about them. Earlier 156 00:07:28,441 --> 00:07:31,241 Speaker 4: in the morning, before we started recording, I was setting 157 00:07:31,321 --> 00:07:34,281 Speaker 4: up their eldest daughter, Bobby Lee called to talk to 158 00:07:34,361 --> 00:07:39,121 Speaker 4: mom and dad. Bobby Lee's call this morning was really interesting, 159 00:07:39,561 --> 00:07:41,801 Speaker 4: and you put her on speakerphone, and what I found 160 00:07:41,881 --> 00:07:45,441 Speaker 4: really special was this, as a thirty two year old woman, 161 00:07:46,281 --> 00:07:49,281 Speaker 4: she's calling mum and dad to say, Hey, I got 162 00:07:49,281 --> 00:07:52,921 Speaker 4: this really great compliment at work today and I've forwarded 163 00:07:53,121 --> 00:07:53,721 Speaker 4: the email. 164 00:07:54,761 --> 00:07:56,361 Speaker 3: Yeah, how special is that? 165 00:07:56,641 --> 00:07:58,641 Speaker 5: It's nice that they want to share those moments with 166 00:07:58,681 --> 00:08:00,401 Speaker 5: their mum and dad, and we are part of those 167 00:08:00,441 --> 00:08:04,801 Speaker 5: moments because we feel that Bobby Lee's a really bubbly, 168 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:07,921 Speaker 5: out going personality, as you know, and it was nice 169 00:08:08,001 --> 00:08:10,361 Speaker 5: to see that that's what she's getting from her workplace 170 00:08:10,401 --> 00:08:11,961 Speaker 5: and the customers, and she. 171 00:08:12,001 --> 00:08:13,241 Speaker 1: Calls us often. 172 00:08:14,281 --> 00:08:17,721 Speaker 6: Previously it's been spoken the compliments, so this one was 173 00:08:17,721 --> 00:08:20,401 Speaker 6: actually written to her boss, so that's why she was 174 00:08:20,441 --> 00:08:21,161 Speaker 6: able to say it. 175 00:08:21,121 --> 00:08:21,881 Speaker 1: Was written again. 176 00:08:22,121 --> 00:08:24,601 Speaker 6: But she's called us when anybody's ever been kind to her, 177 00:08:24,761 --> 00:08:27,201 Speaker 6: or people from Saint Helen's have even gone there, and 178 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:29,521 Speaker 6: she calls us and tells us. And it's a good 179 00:08:29,521 --> 00:08:31,281 Speaker 6: will story because there is a lot of hurt in 180 00:08:31,321 --> 00:08:33,601 Speaker 6: our family and our children suffer. 181 00:08:34,041 --> 00:08:39,201 Speaker 5: Pobbly defines other parents on how often that children call them. 182 00:08:39,281 --> 00:08:41,761 Speaker 5: She says, I call you every day, Dad, Mum, And 183 00:08:41,801 --> 00:08:45,281 Speaker 5: that's why because of the parents you are. So we're 184 00:08:45,361 --> 00:08:47,561 Speaker 5: lucky because we're a close knit family. 185 00:08:48,041 --> 00:08:49,961 Speaker 6: And even some of the siblings say, oh, you do 186 00:08:50,041 --> 00:08:51,641 Speaker 6: too much for this one, and you do too much. 187 00:08:51,801 --> 00:08:53,281 Speaker 6: You don't have to do that for me, and you don't. 188 00:08:53,561 --> 00:08:57,281 Speaker 6: We say no, this is the parent that we choose 189 00:08:57,401 --> 00:09:00,241 Speaker 6: to be where there's soft place to land. We hope 190 00:09:01,201 --> 00:09:03,481 Speaker 6: like what you've given us a soft place to land. 191 00:09:03,761 --> 00:09:04,681 Speaker 2: It's really interesting. 192 00:09:04,801 --> 00:09:08,201 Speaker 4: So using that analogy around Bobby Lee calling Mum and 193 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:11,161 Speaker 4: Dad to say I've got a really nice compliment, and 194 00:09:11,201 --> 00:09:13,681 Speaker 4: then Justine's milling around here, I met her for the 195 00:09:13,681 --> 00:09:17,201 Speaker 4: first time today, and a lovely girl. And we were 196 00:09:17,241 --> 00:09:19,081 Speaker 4: just sitting out there talking and she was telling me 197 00:09:19,161 --> 00:09:21,641 Speaker 4: the story of how dad's a great horse rider and 198 00:09:21,721 --> 00:09:25,041 Speaker 4: we're all going to go horse riding, and Dad's got 199 00:09:25,041 --> 00:09:26,841 Speaker 4: this photo of him with his shirt off and a 200 00:09:26,961 --> 00:09:30,361 Speaker 4: gun slung over his back on a horse. It's beautiful 201 00:09:30,481 --> 00:09:33,081 Speaker 4: hearing how your children. 202 00:09:32,641 --> 00:09:33,281 Speaker 2: Talk about you. 203 00:09:33,881 --> 00:09:36,321 Speaker 6: And Jason was always in cutoff jeans looking like a 204 00:09:36,321 --> 00:09:39,201 Speaker 6: little hottie, even back when we were just friends. 205 00:09:39,841 --> 00:09:43,241 Speaker 1: We both used to look at each other like you're cute. 206 00:09:44,001 --> 00:09:46,201 Speaker 6: And then later on in life, when I was nineteen 207 00:09:46,241 --> 00:09:48,681 Speaker 6: and he was twenty one, I think. 208 00:09:49,041 --> 00:09:52,841 Speaker 5: You put brown eyed girl. She was nineteen, I was 209 00:09:52,881 --> 00:09:55,001 Speaker 5: twenty one, thirty five years later. 210 00:09:55,441 --> 00:10:01,001 Speaker 4: So a lots happened in the last ten years. Things 211 00:10:01,041 --> 00:10:03,721 Speaker 4: sort of felt like they were moving towards the end 212 00:10:03,761 --> 00:10:06,121 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty four, you know, we had a couple 213 00:10:06,161 --> 00:10:09,201 Speaker 4: of conversations with Guy Barnett. It seemed like it was 214 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:11,761 Speaker 4: all positive, and then sort of we hit the Christmas 215 00:10:11,761 --> 00:10:15,601 Speaker 4: break and everything just a massive handbrake on any action 216 00:10:15,841 --> 00:10:19,521 Speaker 4: from the government and the people in power currently. How 217 00:10:19,521 --> 00:10:23,041 Speaker 4: are you feeling about the lack of action in the 218 00:10:23,121 --> 00:10:24,601 Speaker 4: last couple of months. 219 00:10:25,961 --> 00:10:29,561 Speaker 6: Well, when somebody doesn't put something in writing to me, 220 00:10:30,601 --> 00:10:35,241 Speaker 6: I don't believe what they say. So when anybody has 221 00:10:35,281 --> 00:10:38,441 Speaker 6: said to me verbally they're going to do something, I 222 00:10:38,521 --> 00:10:40,921 Speaker 6: take it with a grain of salt. In regards to 223 00:10:40,961 --> 00:10:45,761 Speaker 6: the Attorney General, he has said nice things. I'm yet 224 00:10:45,801 --> 00:10:49,401 Speaker 6: to have any action in full. They've assured me the 225 00:10:49,561 --> 00:10:54,121 Speaker 6: changing of the law of the outdated autopsy photos not 226 00:10:54,201 --> 00:10:56,761 Speaker 6: to be released to families in Tasmania only state in 227 00:10:56,801 --> 00:11:00,641 Speaker 6: the country that's not allowed to have autopsy photos, and 228 00:11:00,721 --> 00:11:02,921 Speaker 6: I think it was nineteen ninety six that this was 229 00:11:03,121 --> 00:11:04,481 Speaker 6: changed to this. 230 00:11:05,481 --> 00:11:06,801 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering has it. 231 00:11:06,721 --> 00:11:09,521 Speaker 6: Got anything to do with Port Arthur because they never 232 00:11:09,561 --> 00:11:12,281 Speaker 6: had an inquest. Not one single person that lost a 233 00:11:12,321 --> 00:11:16,761 Speaker 6: family member in Port Arthur got an inquest. And funnily enough, 234 00:11:17,121 --> 00:11:22,961 Speaker 6: Paul Reynolds bragged about being part of that scene and 235 00:11:23,081 --> 00:11:26,881 Speaker 6: two unsolved murders in Saint Helen's and Bo Marris. How 236 00:11:26,881 --> 00:11:29,121 Speaker 6: do you brag about being part of such a messy, 237 00:11:29,161 --> 00:11:29,681 Speaker 6: messy thing. 238 00:11:30,241 --> 00:11:33,081 Speaker 5: Going back to Guy Barnett and what he's promised and 239 00:11:33,121 --> 00:11:36,441 Speaker 5: what he's said to us, I feel the procrastinations. The 240 00:11:36,481 --> 00:11:40,441 Speaker 5: old thing is the theft and on borderline think what's 241 00:11:40,481 --> 00:11:45,041 Speaker 5: happening is quite gutless and weak, and I'm angry about 242 00:11:45,081 --> 00:11:48,241 Speaker 5: it because we're just being treated with contempt and my 243 00:11:48,361 --> 00:11:51,241 Speaker 5: children and we thought, well further than that, and it 244 00:11:51,241 --> 00:11:52,281 Speaker 5: doesn't seem like we are. 245 00:11:52,521 --> 00:11:54,561 Speaker 3: We've been writing several. 246 00:11:54,161 --> 00:11:57,961 Speaker 5: Letters to the Minister of Police Felix, and he won't 247 00:11:58,001 --> 00:11:58,641 Speaker 5: even right back. 248 00:11:58,761 --> 00:11:58,961 Speaker 2: Jay. 249 00:11:59,601 --> 00:12:04,441 Speaker 5: Now that's alarming and it's concerning, and I'm not sure 250 00:12:04,481 --> 00:12:07,481 Speaker 5: why he's not acknowledging me he's handing them over to 251 00:12:07,561 --> 00:12:10,521 Speaker 5: the Police Commissioner, because I get an email the very 252 00:12:10,601 --> 00:12:14,081 Speaker 5: next day, but I have not heard one response from 253 00:12:14,161 --> 00:12:18,041 Speaker 5: the Police Minister Felix. They won't even open the conversation. 254 00:12:18,121 --> 00:12:19,481 Speaker 5: And get this, that's concerning. 255 00:12:19,681 --> 00:12:23,721 Speaker 6: At the tabling of the Royal Commission into Ashley Detention Center, 256 00:12:23,881 --> 00:12:27,601 Speaker 6: there was a little tea party afterwards, and I'm standing 257 00:12:27,601 --> 00:12:32,001 Speaker 6: there by myself and I've got these men be lining me, 258 00:12:32,841 --> 00:12:40,121 Speaker 6: Jeremy Ratcliffe, Michael Ferguson, Felix, Alex all asking me about 259 00:12:40,161 --> 00:12:44,121 Speaker 6: this situation with Felix. And then I said, what is 260 00:12:44,121 --> 00:12:45,921 Speaker 6: it going to take another one of my kids to 261 00:12:45,961 --> 00:12:49,041 Speaker 6: be killed? And I was expecting Felix to say, of course, 262 00:12:49,121 --> 00:12:52,961 Speaker 6: not missus Westbrook. But he didn't say anything. He did 263 00:12:52,961 --> 00:12:56,721 Speaker 6: not say no, that would not happen. What I'm saying 264 00:12:56,761 --> 00:12:59,801 Speaker 6: as a police minister, you've got some real work on 265 00:12:59,841 --> 00:13:02,401 Speaker 6: your hands to clean up the mess of reen hidtings firstly, 266 00:13:02,721 --> 00:13:06,281 Speaker 6: and then you've got these young recruit police coming in 267 00:13:06,801 --> 00:13:11,081 Speaker 6: just qualifying to be police, having a conversation with the 268 00:13:11,161 --> 00:13:15,361 Speaker 6: regular common person saying that the Westbrooks should get over this. 269 00:13:15,801 --> 00:13:18,801 Speaker 6: It's nonsense, it's not even real. So if a new. 270 00:13:18,721 --> 00:13:21,681 Speaker 1: Recruit is thinking like that, where coming from. 271 00:13:21,761 --> 00:13:24,441 Speaker 6: It's coming from the head and the fish rots from. 272 00:13:24,361 --> 00:13:25,081 Speaker 1: The head down. 273 00:13:25,521 --> 00:13:29,521 Speaker 4: How was it hearing Jackie talk about what she wants, 274 00:13:30,681 --> 00:13:35,441 Speaker 4: the rope, the autopsy photos, the change to the law. 275 00:13:36,921 --> 00:13:42,361 Speaker 6: How did that make you feel empowered? Fierce a little territorial. 276 00:13:42,881 --> 00:13:47,761 Speaker 6: We've got the right person on our team. She's legit, 277 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:54,241 Speaker 6: she's straight up, she's accountable, she served our country. How 278 00:13:54,281 --> 00:13:59,601 Speaker 6: can somebody that has that much knowledge on this country 279 00:14:00,761 --> 00:14:04,561 Speaker 6: not be recognized as somebody that is great. She's always 280 00:14:04,561 --> 00:14:08,361 Speaker 6: making a friends, always kept more people alive in this 281 00:14:08,401 --> 00:14:09,241 Speaker 6: country than I can. 282 00:14:09,401 --> 00:14:13,161 Speaker 5: She's Australia politician currently at the moment, and I don't 283 00:14:13,161 --> 00:14:15,201 Speaker 5: think she has anything to worry about getting elected in 284 00:14:15,281 --> 00:14:16,561 Speaker 5: because Jackie does her job. 285 00:14:17,001 --> 00:14:19,201 Speaker 4: From my experience, she does what she says she's going 286 00:14:19,241 --> 00:14:21,601 Speaker 4: to do it. 287 00:14:20,641 --> 00:14:24,361 Speaker 6: And she's not just paying people. She's not giving this 288 00:14:24,441 --> 00:14:27,241 Speaker 6: community a new soccer field and a new toilet block 289 00:14:28,081 --> 00:14:28,921 Speaker 6: to get things. 290 00:14:29,881 --> 00:14:33,561 Speaker 4: Jackie Lamby is really loved in Tasmania, which was evident 291 00:14:33,601 --> 00:14:36,481 Speaker 4: on the day I arrived. Contractors kept turning up to 292 00:14:36,561 --> 00:14:38,961 Speaker 4: Jason and Amanda's place to work on their new house, 293 00:14:39,401 --> 00:14:41,681 Speaker 4: and each of them wanted to talk to Jackie. 294 00:14:41,761 --> 00:14:43,361 Speaker 5: Because we're in the build, We've got people that are 295 00:14:43,401 --> 00:14:45,921 Speaker 5: arriving at different times, and we had the pump guy come. 296 00:14:46,001 --> 00:14:49,361 Speaker 5: The concrete pump is at Jackie Lamby. I know Jackie, 297 00:14:49,521 --> 00:14:51,081 Speaker 5: he says, I've got to go and talk to Jackie. 298 00:14:51,241 --> 00:14:52,681 Speaker 5: He went down and shook her hand and give her 299 00:14:52,681 --> 00:14:56,001 Speaker 5: a Huggi's edmember and she knew him. Amanda takes Jackie 300 00:14:56,001 --> 00:14:57,641 Speaker 5: around to have a look at the Kiwi for it. 301 00:14:58,201 --> 00:15:01,161 Speaker 5: Our name over next door Ollen is that Jackie And 302 00:15:01,201 --> 00:15:02,921 Speaker 5: he said, we love you, Jackie. 303 00:15:03,081 --> 00:15:08,001 Speaker 3: And these are just typical men that admire her. And 304 00:15:08,561 --> 00:15:10,841 Speaker 3: that's what I see out there in society. We all 305 00:15:10,921 --> 00:15:13,881 Speaker 3: love Jackie. Mate. How can you not love that? Woman. 306 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:17,041 Speaker 5: I've seen that woman cry, you mate, crying over my daughter. 307 00:15:17,121 --> 00:15:18,081 Speaker 3: That was so emotional. 308 00:15:18,161 --> 00:15:21,521 Speaker 6: Jake, I think it's to you get really heavily involved 309 00:15:22,601 --> 00:15:23,641 Speaker 6: and you see they're hurt. 310 00:15:25,441 --> 00:15:27,001 Speaker 3: It's been going on too long. 311 00:15:27,921 --> 00:15:29,681 Speaker 1: I just we just want to know the truth. 312 00:15:30,361 --> 00:15:33,081 Speaker 5: And it's more important of the West Books than the 313 00:15:33,161 --> 00:15:36,281 Speaker 5: kids to know what happened to their daughter. 314 00:15:36,041 --> 00:15:38,761 Speaker 1: And their sister. And we need to know this and 315 00:15:38,841 --> 00:15:39,801 Speaker 1: they're never going to move on. 316 00:15:41,201 --> 00:15:43,641 Speaker 5: We're in good hands with Jackie, and we're in good 317 00:15:43,641 --> 00:15:46,201 Speaker 5: hands with another couple of people too, which I can't 318 00:15:46,241 --> 00:15:47,841 Speaker 5: mention one sitting. 319 00:15:47,561 --> 00:15:51,241 Speaker 2: Around the table really hard. Yeah, but what we can't. 320 00:15:51,001 --> 00:15:53,441 Speaker 4: Mention, No, we're talking about the torpedo who's going full 321 00:15:53,481 --> 00:15:54,041 Speaker 4: double eight. 322 00:15:54,161 --> 00:15:56,921 Speaker 1: But let's move on book A knowledge on also name. 323 00:15:57,441 --> 00:15:59,441 Speaker 4: There's been a couple of things that have happened that 324 00:15:59,561 --> 00:16:03,721 Speaker 4: are outside of the Eden case, which shows you now 325 00:16:03,761 --> 00:16:06,281 Speaker 4: have the support of the community. The first is the 326 00:16:06,321 --> 00:16:09,441 Speaker 4: card that you showed me. You've heard me talk about 327 00:16:09,441 --> 00:16:12,721 Speaker 4: how much I admired Jason and Amanda, but here's a 328 00:16:12,801 --> 00:16:16,801 Speaker 4: story that sort of epitomizes who they are as people. 329 00:16:17,321 --> 00:16:20,321 Speaker 4: Just before Christmas, Jason was at the local ida and 330 00:16:20,401 --> 00:16:22,801 Speaker 4: saw a woman who had locked her keys in a car. 331 00:16:23,281 --> 00:16:27,321 Speaker 4: She recognized Jason from the podcast, and she asked him 332 00:16:27,361 --> 00:16:27,841 Speaker 4: for help. 333 00:16:28,241 --> 00:16:28,481 Speaker 3: Hunter. 334 00:16:28,641 --> 00:16:30,241 Speaker 5: As you know, I was down with Jack for the 335 00:16:30,241 --> 00:16:32,001 Speaker 5: holidays and they were in the car park. 336 00:16:32,121 --> 00:16:34,401 Speaker 3: She needed something from me. So I've driven down there and. 337 00:16:34,361 --> 00:16:36,281 Speaker 5: I'm just having a conversation with a lot good Hunter. 338 00:16:36,361 --> 00:16:38,001 Speaker 3: How you go on? And this woman said, excuse me, 339 00:16:38,041 --> 00:16:38,961 Speaker 3: are you Jason Westbrook. 340 00:16:39,041 --> 00:16:41,441 Speaker 5: I've been listening to the podcast sent me her best 341 00:16:41,441 --> 00:16:43,681 Speaker 5: wishes and I said, oh, yeah, thanks so much. 342 00:16:43,801 --> 00:16:46,081 Speaker 3: And then she says, oh, look, I've actually locked my keys. 343 00:16:45,841 --> 00:16:48,441 Speaker 5: In my dad's truck. Would you go able to help me? 344 00:16:48,721 --> 00:16:50,761 Speaker 5: I had some wire and that wrapped aside went and 345 00:16:50,801 --> 00:16:52,921 Speaker 5: got that and I got in and I just couldn't 346 00:16:52,961 --> 00:16:54,641 Speaker 5: get it. And I said, oh, look, I'm sorry. I said, 347 00:16:54,641 --> 00:16:57,081 Speaker 5: are you with RACT? She says no, but my daughter is. 348 00:16:57,521 --> 00:16:59,081 Speaker 5: I said I will give them a call. They'll come 349 00:16:59,121 --> 00:17:01,561 Speaker 5: and unlock it. Anyway, I ended up getting her to 350 00:17:01,601 --> 00:17:04,001 Speaker 5: ring and she says, oh, my daughter's an RACT member 351 00:17:04,201 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 5: and he says no, she in the car and she 352 00:17:06,721 --> 00:17:09,521 Speaker 5: said no, well, I can't come because you've got to 353 00:17:09,521 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 5: be in the car. And then I said, I just 354 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 5: hang up. I said I can get him here. So 355 00:17:13,201 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 5: I rang RCT booked him in for I've locked my 356 00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:16,641 Speaker 5: keys in the car. 357 00:17:16,721 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: I'm sitting with the passenger. 358 00:17:17,921 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 5: It comes along five minutes later and he pulls it out. 359 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 5: She was so happy, and she's pulled out like I 360 00:17:23,961 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 5: saw two fifty dominapes and she says like, look, I 361 00:17:26,001 --> 00:17:27,561 Speaker 5: just want to pay you for what you did. I said, 362 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,641 Speaker 5: I don't want your money. Married Christmas. She said, look, 363 00:17:30,721 --> 00:17:32,041 Speaker 5: thanks so much, and she's left. 364 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,281 Speaker 3: Yesterday was it yesterday? Day before? I was doing it 365 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:36,761 Speaker 3: up at the slab and the car's pulled and I. 366 00:17:36,761 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 5: Heard the dog's bark, and then I've heard Amanda come 367 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,641 Speaker 5: around with some guy I've never seen, and he's got 368 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,681 Speaker 5: these cards in his hand and he's there. 369 00:17:42,721 --> 00:17:45,401 Speaker 3: I saw the woman that I helped, and she said, 370 00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: get Jason. 371 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,561 Speaker 5: I couldn't not come thank you personally. 372 00:17:48,561 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: I just want my husband day May. 373 00:17:50,041 --> 00:17:52,321 Speaker 5: We just wanted to give you this card, so I'm 374 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 5: going to read it to you. 375 00:17:53,001 --> 00:17:55,041 Speaker 3: Jay to Jason, thank you for your. 376 00:17:55,041 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 5: Kind act in the supermarket car park and helping me 377 00:17:57,921 --> 00:18:00,561 Speaker 5: with the ract after locking my keys and my dad's 378 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 5: lean cruiser. Forever grateful with regards, Tracy, Amanda and Jason, 379 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:09,441 Speaker 5: keep advocating for your family and dear Eden, your strength 380 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,521 Speaker 5: and unity is inspiring with. 381 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,041 Speaker 6: Love, and give us a fifty dollars voucher for this. 382 00:18:14,521 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a fifty dollars voucher which we because 383 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:19,241 Speaker 5: there was everyone coming, We've got cheese platter. 384 00:18:19,441 --> 00:18:19,761 Speaker 1: Yeah. 385 00:18:19,801 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 4: And then when I arrived this morning, I was talking 386 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,041 Speaker 4: to Jason. He was on the bar out the front 387 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 4: and doing a quick mail of the lawns before everyone 388 00:18:27,201 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 4: gets here, and he said, oh, Jay, you're not going 389 00:18:29,001 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 4: to believe this. 390 00:18:29,561 --> 00:18:30,601 Speaker 2: I've been nominated. 391 00:18:30,961 --> 00:18:31,881 Speaker 3: Tell me about them. 392 00:18:32,321 --> 00:18:34,721 Speaker 4: Tell me about the award, Jason, because I think again, 393 00:18:34,761 --> 00:18:35,801 Speaker 4: this is just highlights. 394 00:18:35,961 --> 00:18:36,201 Speaker 2: Now. 395 00:18:36,321 --> 00:18:40,401 Speaker 5: I received one on two letters of received Jacob. One 396 00:18:40,481 --> 00:18:42,521 Speaker 5: was on the third of January. This is from the 397 00:18:42,521 --> 00:18:46,001 Speaker 5: Breaka Day Camp from my friends mate. Actually, the man 398 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:49,001 Speaker 5: Mick Tucker would like to invite you to attend Australia 399 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,161 Speaker 5: Day Awards, which are being held at the Portland Hall 400 00:18:51,201 --> 00:18:54,241 Speaker 5: on Friday, the twenty sixth of January twenty twenty five 401 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,761 Speaker 5: at eleven am. You are receiving an invitation as you 402 00:18:57,961 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: have been nominated for Australia Day Award. 403 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: How good? 404 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,841 Speaker 3: Yeah, what regard? 405 00:19:03,961 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 5: Why citizen for mowing and looking after the Fisherman's Memorial 406 00:19:08,761 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 5: Park for the last decade for not only Eden, but 407 00:19:12,001 --> 00:19:14,401 Speaker 5: for the fishermen that have lost their lives while pursuing 408 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 5: their careers. 409 00:19:14,961 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 3: And you get paid for that. 410 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: It's a labor of love. We do love to do that. 411 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 6: The fishermen's widows were getting a little old, so they 412 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,761 Speaker 6: weren't able to look after it to the point where 413 00:19:28,761 --> 00:19:30,561 Speaker 6: they would have liked it because they planted all the 414 00:19:30,561 --> 00:19:32,801 Speaker 6: trees and all the gardens that are in there. So 415 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,201 Speaker 6: we took over it. The council and us all worked 416 00:19:36,201 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 6: together to make sure that the whole town smote at 417 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,281 Speaker 6: the same time. 418 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 5: When I got this letter, I took a photo of 419 00:19:42,201 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 5: it and sent it to Donnie, my youngest son, Dante. 420 00:19:45,041 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 3: He said, well, it makes goddamn sense. 421 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,441 Speaker 5: You're a great citizen, you know what, Jay, I don't 422 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,521 Speaker 5: care what happens on that day. To get that from 423 00:19:53,521 --> 00:19:56,801 Speaker 5: my youngest son, that means everything to me so great. 424 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,281 Speaker 3: I really appreciate being nominated. I've already won. 425 00:19:59,761 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 5: When my son writes that to me, mate, I'm chuffed, truly. 426 00:20:05,561 --> 00:20:08,961 Speaker 6: And it was the cheeky couple from Swansea that did 427 00:20:09,001 --> 00:20:12,761 Speaker 6: the stickers in the badge that nominated Jason and I 428 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,761 Speaker 6: call them cheeky because they wrote to the Westbrook Legends. 429 00:20:17,921 --> 00:20:21,561 Speaker 4: At the start of each year, people do a vision board. 430 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,961 Speaker 4: I want to pose the question to you to what 431 00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:27,561 Speaker 4: does twenty twenty five look like in regards to Eden. 432 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:32,361 Speaker 6: Well, for a premonition that I can see the autopsy 433 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:37,041 Speaker 6: photos will be released, those that are unattainable would have 434 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,881 Speaker 6: stepped down and have no longer a position of authority, 435 00:20:40,961 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 6: power and respect, because once we have them, we can 436 00:20:44,961 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 6: concur with what's been told to us from witnesses that 437 00:20:48,761 --> 00:20:53,161 Speaker 6: see Eden on that night, and it's awful, it's really horrible. 438 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: But we need them to take the next step forward. 439 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to see laws change that need to change, 440 00:21:01,681 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: and accountability to those that have lied. 441 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,441 Speaker 1: We're not agreeing with the lie either. 442 00:21:06,481 --> 00:21:10,761 Speaker 6: Everyone that history likes to do History likes to say, well, 443 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,081 Speaker 6: let's all just agree on the one lie, shall we. 444 00:21:13,481 --> 00:21:15,041 Speaker 1: No, we're not agreeing with any of that. 445 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 6: Some of them may die with the lie, but I 446 00:21:17,481 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 6: can assure you the ones that you don't know don't 447 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,481 Speaker 6: want to die with the lie. 448 00:21:21,801 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: They want a clear conscience. They're spilling the tea and 449 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,321 Speaker 6: That's why Jackie says, everybody come clean and we might 450 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:37,921 Speaker 6: have a little lenience for you.