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Speaker 1: On scoring rules Australia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panekey Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. Coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight, the ABC board is in crisis, Motor Ray

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Speaker 3: presenters Inflammatory and the Australia commentary Sophie Elsworth with the

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Speaker 3: latest one in five detainees released after the High Courts

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Speaker 3: n z YQ ruling has.

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Speaker 2: Been charged with a new crime.

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Speaker 3: Gary Hardgrave will join me to discuss and doctor Claire

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Speaker 3: Rowe on the impact pornography is having on young minds

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Speaker 3: and of course Lefty is losing it.

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Speaker 2: Will have this teachable moment tonight.

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Speaker 4: Instead of using the typical mom and dad parent titles,

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Speaker 4: there's actually gender neutral and non binary parent titles that

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Speaker 4: exist NOPA, Nori opah, Pere Pomp, Pom SASA and Zizzy pomp.

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Speaker 3: And we'll also look at a remarkable crash landing of

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Speaker 3: a light plane at Bankstown Airport where the pilot cleared

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Speaker 3: the hangar by about a meter by executing a perfect

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Speaker 3: crash landing. But first let's bring in Sophie Ellsworth, media

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Speaker 3: writer The Australian. Sophie, you've reported in the Australian Today that.

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Speaker 2: The ABC the board.

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Speaker 3: There is in crisis over Laura Tingle's weekend out burst,

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Speaker 3: a story you broke in The Australian. Some remarkable comments

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Speaker 3: at the Sydney Writers Festive. Always you call Australia racist country,

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Speaker 3: unleashed a bile philed die tribe against the Opposition leader

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, accusing him of giving license to people to

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Speaker 3: engage in racial abuse.

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Speaker 2: What more can you.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about what's happening at the ABC and the

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Speaker 3: board's response.

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Speaker 5: We'll read to.

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Speaker 6: These were extraordinary comments when I went to the Sydney's

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Speaker 6: Writers Festival on Sunday to hear Laura Tingle unleash on

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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton and call Australia a racist country. Now this

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Speaker 6: is causing issues within the ABC. I know from sources

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Speaker 6: within the ABC that there has been discussions among board

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Speaker 6: members about this problem, and they're due to meet in June.

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Speaker 5: But now it's.

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Speaker 6: Under consideration whether they bring forward this discussion about Laura

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Speaker 6: Tingle rather than wait till the board meeting in June.

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Speaker 6: But rechil this is a problem because not only is

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Speaker 6: she their most high profile political correspondent at the ABC,

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Speaker 6: she is on the board herself. So if they have

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Speaker 6: a board meeting and discuss matters relating to her.

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Speaker 5: She has to recuse herself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a problem.

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Speaker 3: Does another staff appointed board member step in place of

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Speaker 3: her or they know one day because she.

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Speaker 5: Was voted into that role, she's in a five.

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Speaker 6: Year term, she's twelve months in and already this is

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Speaker 6: causing headaches for them. But Rita, this is where Kim Williams.

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Speaker 6: He is the new chair. He only started in March,

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Speaker 6: and as many people who know Kim know, he's not

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Speaker 6: one to hold back. So I have put questions to

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Speaker 6: him about this, but he has not responded.

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Speaker 5: But I can't imagine he's too thrilled about this.

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Speaker 3: Well, the ABC is very upset with your reporting, all

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Speaker 3: the facts you are sharing with the audience, and they're

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Speaker 3: disputing that there is any sort of crisis at board level.

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Speaker 7: What's your response to that.

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Speaker 6: Well, they can do that, Rita, but that is not

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Speaker 6: the case. They can put out their statements. I went

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Speaker 6: to them yesterday with a series of questions.

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Speaker 5: They gave me no comment.

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Speaker 6: They've had ample time to respond to questions and they

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Speaker 6: did not, you know, on this whole thing that started

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Speaker 6: on Sunday. Mind you, I question them on Sunday about

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Speaker 6: it as well. So I stand by my reporting.

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Speaker 3: Now you called Laura Tingle the ABC's highest profile political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: I would argue she is a commentator, So her comments

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton, her what sound to me like these paranoid

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Speaker 3: fantasies of migrants being abused at Open for inspections because

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton dared to point out that when you have

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Speaker 3: record number of migrants coming in, of course it's going

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Speaker 3: to add to the housing crisis. But she is not

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Speaker 3: a correspondent, She's a commentator. And those lines of the

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Speaker 7: I would argue there.

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Speaker 2: Are no lines, and I think we saw that.

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Speaker 3: With the Voice the referendum, where we had so much

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Speaker 3: that was pro yes activism.

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Speaker 6: But Rita, she is a journalist at the ABC.

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Speaker 5: Now she does do analysis, which is what is commentary.

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Speaker 6: But she's sitting there interview Peter Dutton, she's interviewing Anthony Alberzi.

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Speaker 5: She does reports on the Seven thirty programs.

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Speaker 6: So if they want to try and argue, or if

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Speaker 5: That is not the case the ABC. She is a journalist.

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Speaker 6: She is their political correspondent and she reports not only

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Speaker 6: you know, political reports, but she interviews people and I

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Speaker 3: Now we saw some more warped reporting from the ABC.

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Speaker 7: Again, this is news coverage.

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Speaker 3: It's not commentary, analysis, opinion, what do you want to

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Speaker 3: call It is supposed to be news coverage.

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Speaker 2: And they've been called out for this.

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Speaker 3: Because it is just a bizarre way to describe her

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Speaker 3: mass firing rockets into all across Israel, including Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 2: The ABC called it a show of resilience.

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Speaker 3: More than seven months into Israel's massive asc and ground offensive.

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Speaker 7: A show of resilience.

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Speaker 3: It's just really strange words to describe the actions of

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Speaker 2: Now, another front.

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Speaker 3: Page exclusive from you, this time on Channel nine. Today

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Speaker 3: CEO Mike Sneezebe was the one to sign off on

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Speaker 3: that million dollar payout to form a news boss starn Wig.

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Speaker 3: The network has also claimed that nine chairmen and former

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Speaker 3: treasurer Pett Costello played no role in the payout.

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Speaker 7: What else can you tell us about this story?

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Speaker 3: This just seems to be rolling along and gathering momentum

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Speaker 3: each day.

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Speaker 5: Well, Rita, this story is far from over.

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Speaker 6: It's really quite extraordinary that Nine are saying Mike Sneezeby

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Speaker 6: ticked off Darren Wick's payout. Now we have reported at

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Speaker 6: The Australian that he got a payout of around one

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Speaker 6: million dollars. Now this comes at a time when all

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Speaker 6: media companies, including Nine Entertainment, are under financial pressure. But

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Speaker 6: the fallout is continued into deep and there is so

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Speaker 6: much unrest in Nine. My phone has been going running

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Speaker 6: hot since we broke this story last week about the

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Speaker 6: allegation and report against Darren Wick that started this whole thing.

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Speaker 6: But to date, Peter Costello, the chair of nine, has

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Speaker 2: Has it been blindsided here?

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Speaker 3: Is it feasible that the chair doesn't know about a

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Speaker 3: million dollar payout?

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Speaker 5: Rita? I would find that incredibly hard to believe.

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Speaker 6: But the issue here is not just management, it's at

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Speaker 6: board level, it's the staff on the ground. This is

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Speaker 6: right through Channel nine. They have an enormous problem on

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Speaker 6: their hands. Now they announced yesterday Mike Sneezey announced there's

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Speaker 6: in jeopardy. I mean, these stories are not stopping. These

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Speaker 3: And the new news boss at nine, Fiona Dia, has

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Speaker 3: come out and said that there is a culture of.

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Speaker 2: Power games of the network.

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Speaker 3: The Sydney Morning Heralds reported that Starfiell, that former boss

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Speaker 3: Star and Week has created this culture of ghosting, belittling

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Speaker 3: and favoritism. Goodness may it sounds like some sort of

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Speaker 6: It's pretty worrying stuff, Reacher, and this is going through

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Speaker 6: their newsrooms across the country.

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Speaker 5: This is not just isolated to Sydney.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 5: He left in March.

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Speaker 6: He said he went on for a walk along the

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Speaker 5: Nine.

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Speaker 6: We were asking them where is he. We were told

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Speaker 6: a lot of people that seem to.

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Speaker 5: Be covering up what is actually happening here.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Daily Telegraph has been slammed not by Kevin Rudd

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Speaker 3: this time, but by the Chinese Communist Party. Their officials

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Speaker 3: I would have thought that's a badge of honor for them.

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Speaker 5: Well, isn't it?

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Speaker 7: Rata?

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Speaker 6: I mean, should they be concerned that the CCP is

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Speaker 5: With their reporting? Probably highlights that they're doing a very

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Speaker 5: good job.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And finally, Sophie Richard Kemp is an outsider's favorite.

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Speaker 2: He is a fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Voice on geopolitical issues and he's been in Australia and

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Speaker 3: Writing in The Telly today, he said they've gone full

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Speaker 3: a retired British Army commander, Sophie, and if he's shocked

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Speaker 5: We should listen.

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Speaker 6: But Richard, it's been pretty horrifying some of the images

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Speaker 6: particularly Jewish students, saying that they're scared to even go

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Speaker 6: the universities, I argue, you should be more focused on

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Speaker 5: So they're making these universities.

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Speaker 2: They're not just.

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Speaker 3: Making a problem for themselves and making a problem for

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Speaker 3: because they are obstructing that. They are intimidating students. And

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Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody would have watched Josh Friedenberg's documentary Never

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Speaker 3: Again earlier tonight. It lays out precisely what is wrong

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Speaker 3: with the leadership of these universities and also the activism

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Speaker 2: So feelsworth Thank you so much for your time this evening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Reta joining me now.

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Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Gary, let's start with the

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Speaker 3: news that one in five detainees released after the High

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Speaker 3: Courts and Zedyq decision has.

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Speaker 2: Been charged with a new crime.

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Speaker 3: We've had twenty eight be charged and let's not forget

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Speaker 3: they haven't been released that long. And now we've got

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Speaker 3: dozens more convicted criminals planning to use a ministerial direction

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Speaker 3: to successfully appeal their visa cancelations. This ministerial direction is

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Speaker 3: from the Immigration Minister.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Jarles is.

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Speaker 3: Just stuffing up this portfolio, and it's an important portfolio.

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Speaker 2: Gary, is the Prime minister going to make a move here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how the factions work. I really don't know,

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Speaker 1: but read I got to say it is a nation

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Speaker 1: building portfolio and that's what immigration should be. It should

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. The only plan they've got is how to give

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Speaker 1: They want action.

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Speaker 2: Queensland has won action.

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Speaker 3: But then we saw Liberal Nationals back the Miles government's

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Speaker 2: What is the election looking.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's coming at the end of October. Who knows

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Speaker 3: It's very sir Humphrey of you to call those decisions courageous.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. Now I know you're.

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Speaker 2: This is just incredible footage.

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Speaker 3: The pilot managed to just miss trees houses.

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Speaker 7: You can see it just got past.

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Speaker 3: The hangar there apparently only a meter, and he had

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Speaker 3: Just incredible footage. And let's hear now from the pilot.

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Speaker 9: It was lighting.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't a no goer.

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Speaker 2: We clipped the peas and we just made it over

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Speaker 11: It was very close.

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Speaker 2: We didn't think we were going to make this landing

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Speaker 12: Jake retracted the landing gear because he thought he would

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Speaker 9: It's why he landed the plane on its belly.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do to celebrate tonight?

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Speaker 7: Just incredible.

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Speaker 3: That is a pilot you would feel safe being in

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Speaker 3: You want the very best people to be flying the plane,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I stick with Quotus myself. That's

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Speaker 1: The guy knew that you dangled the dunlops for wind

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Speaker 1: Perfect belly landing, took it off the runway, dropped it

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Speaker 3: Well done, incredible, incredible, Gary Hardgrave, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Still to come.

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Speaker 3: Lefties Losing It featuring the Leader of the Free World

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Speaker 14: To be true.

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Speaker 3: Now it's time for Lefties Losing It, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's high time we checked on the Leader of the

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Speaker 3: Free World. President Joe Biden has in recent days repeated

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Speaker 3: another verifiable lie, this time telling West Point graduates that

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Speaker 2: Sadly that never actually happened.

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Speaker 14: I was appointed by my the fell I ran against

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Speaker 14: I was one of ten I wanted to play football.

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Speaker 2: Of course, there's no record of any of this.

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Speaker 3: Another Biden fantasy, but I guess it's a rather small

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 3: Love her work on Lefties Losing It, where she has

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Speaker 3: told us about the wacky world of neo pronouns. That's

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Speaker 7: But today she's going.

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Speaker 3: To teach us what non binary terms we can call

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Speaker 4: It can be hard for parents within the lgbtqae plus

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Speaker 15: Dumma, Mada, Maddie, Mardy, Mapa, Nini, Nopah, nori Opah, Pere, pomp, pom, sasa,

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Speaker 3: You can find more examples on the website listed above

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Speaker 3: to the University of North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: And we like this university. You might remember that's where.

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Speaker 3: Students staged a fight back against the anti American lunacy

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Speaker 3: Protesters held abuse at them and few objects as well.

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Speaker 12: We are intimidation.

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Speaker 15: That is what we're here for.

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Speaker 11: We're here for low they are directly upholster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't try that nonsense in North Carolina.

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Speaker 7: Now, aren't you just thrilled that.

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Speaker 3: Your taxes will be paying off the student loans of

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Speaker 3: fiscally irresponsible fools. You got themselves into enormous stets, often

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Speaker 3: for junk degrees that don't actually help them get a

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Speaker 3: decent job, like serve.

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Speaker 16: With all due respect, I mean that's so respectfully, you

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Speaker 16: took out over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth

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Speaker 16: of loans and basically learn how to cook. And I'm

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Speaker 16: supposed to pretend to be surprised that you can't now

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Speaker 16: afford to pay off these loans.

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Speaker 6: We all deserve to have an education and to follow

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Speaker 6: our dreams.

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Speaker 2: That's an American way.

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Speaker 9: Privilege, have an education.

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Speaker 16: That's why we're all privileged to be American. My biggest

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Speaker 16: issue with student loan forgiveness is that it's a lack

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Speaker 16: of accountability for people's financially reckless decisions.

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Speaker 9: Because you have these people they were they take off.

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Speaker 16: These wildly massive loans to get a degree, to put

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Speaker 16: themselves in the career path. Did they know from the

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Speaker 16: get go it's never going to feasibly be able to

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Speaker 16: pay off this amount of money.

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Speaker 3: Now, that intelligent young man on doctor phil Is Xavia Deruso,

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Speaker 3: who might the lefty rent seekers lose it? When he

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Speaker 3: told them some harsh home truths.

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Speaker 9: I went to the University of Illinois with an academic

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Speaker 9: full ride. My scholarships came from putting my back into

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Speaker 9: my education. So why should I be responsible for paying

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Speaker 9: off someone else's debt?

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Speaker 13: What makes this debt more righteous than the small plumber

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Speaker 13: who took out a loan to buy a new van,

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Speaker 13: or the person who got a mortgage, or what makes

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Speaker 13: it fair to the person who paid off their debts

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Speaker 13: to the parent who just wrote the last check for

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Speaker 13: their son or daughter to go to college.

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Speaker 9: No one forced you to get those loans, so don't

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Speaker 9: force me to pay it off.

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Speaker 16: You can't be a part of the twelve percent of

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Speaker 16: people in a mayor who have student loan debt and

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Speaker 16: then look at the eighty eight percent of us who

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Speaker 16: aren't in that situation and expect us to pay off

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Speaker 16: the decision you made.

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Speaker 3: Race, class, gender, I'll play an important.

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Speaker 7: Role to matt access.

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Speaker 5: This isn't just about student loan debt.

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Speaker 6: This is about equal access to generational wealth.

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Speaker 3: Equal access to generational wealth. That sounds like communism. No,

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Speaker 3: thank you, that's a poisonous doctrine that has killed millions,

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Speaker 3: tens of millions. By the way, here is some good news.

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Speaker 3: Biden's latest student loan handout could cost.

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Speaker 2: As much as seven hundred and fifty billion. Did I

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Speaker 2: say good news? I didn't mean that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I said good I think we

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Speaker 3: could all do with a laugh.

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Speaker 2: Right now, here is a young man who decided he

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Speaker 2: was going to join a queer fat club.

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Speaker 3: Problem is, is not really fat or queer, but you

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Speaker 3: know he can identify as a trans fat.

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Speaker 11: This is a queer fat club.

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Speaker 17: Queer and fat.

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Speaker 8: Okay, thank you for joining me. We're just introducing ourselves

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Speaker 8: at the moment. Okay, do you want to go ahead

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Speaker 8: and introduce yourself?

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Speaker 17: Joe, Yeah, my name is Joe. I go by he Day,

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Speaker 17: and I identify as two hundred and seventy five pounds. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 17: I feel like Jays kind of making fun of me,

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Speaker 17: though I know it's kind of a shock, I know, kind.

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Speaker 15: Of a new thing.

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Speaker 11: I'm do what said. I apologize.

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Speaker 2: I know you're good.

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Speaker 11: Are you comfortable leaving the group at the moment? Why.

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Speaker 11: I'm not understanding why you're joining the group.

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Speaker 17: This is the queer in fat group now, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 17: that's what I came here for.

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Speaker 11: Okay.

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Speaker 8: And you said you identify as fat? Yeah, okay, this

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Speaker 8: is just for fat bodied people.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I understand, I identify as a fat bodied person.

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Speaker 11: I'm not understanding where you're coming from.

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Speaker 17: Are you guys comfortable with me here? I mean, I'm

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Speaker 17: pretty chill.

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Speaker 2: On my end.

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Speaker 11: I'm not comfortable.

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Speaker 7: No, very droll work.

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Speaker 2: Now let's do more lifties losing it with mine?

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Speaker 3: Next guest, and here is US Senate Leader Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 3: revealing that the Democrats want more immigrants, illegal or not,

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Speaker 3: and they want them all to become citizens who can vote.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 12: Now more than ever, we're short of workers. We have

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Speaker 12: a population that is not reproducing it on its own

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Speaker 12: with the same level that it used to. The only

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Speaker 12: way we're going to have a great future in America

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Speaker 12: is if we welcome and embrace immigrants, the Dreamers, and

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Speaker 12: all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help

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Speaker 12: the Dreamers, but get a path to citizenship for all

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Speaker 12: eleven million or however many undocumented there.

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Speaker 3: Are here, Let's bring in senior editor at large for Newsweek,

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer. Josh, what do you make of Chuck Schumer's comments?

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Speaker 3: There wasn't long ago that if you suggested that the

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Speaker 3: Democrats wanted all these legal immigrants to cross the border

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Speaker 3: because they eventually become Democrat voters, you were called some

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Speaker 3: sort of crazy conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, how many times recently in American politics do

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Speaker 10: we need to see yet another example of what was

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Speaker 10: once dismissed as a so called far right conspiracy theory

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Speaker 10: which has been once again been validated because of these

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Speaker 10: crazy times that we're living in. I mean, I see

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Speaker 10: clips like this read and I think back to, you know,

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Speaker 10: the crazy conspiracy theory that the COVID nineteen pandemic might

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Speaker 10: have emerged from the lab in Wuhan, China, Or that

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Speaker 10: crazy conspiracy theory that Hunter Biden's laptop was in fact,

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Speaker 10: very very real and was not just fabricated by Russian

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Speaker 10: intelligence assets, as fifty one US deep state spooks promptly

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Speaker 10: said in a statement that was issued by the FEDS

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Speaker 10: roughly twenty four hours after the New York Post story

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Speaker 10: came to line October twenty twenty. This is just the

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Speaker 10: latest indication in a very long and very unflattering line

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Speaker 10: of conspiracy theories that are no longer conspiracy theories. By

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Speaker 10: the way, what Chuck Schumer is saying there getting to

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Speaker 10: the substance of his remo. What he is saying in

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Speaker 10: there at the beginning of that clip we just heard

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Speaker 10: where he is saying that America's population is not reproducing

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Speaker 10: the way it used to. We're simply not having enough babies. Well,

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Speaker 10: empirically speaking, he happens to be right about that. America's

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Speaker 10: current birth rate is roughly one point six to one

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Speaker 10: point sixty five children per child bearing women, which is

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Speaker 10: well below replacement level. But how about you look at

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Speaker 10: that and then you do something about it. How About

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Speaker 10: you try to make America a better and more appealing

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Speaker 10: place in which to raise children. How About you try

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Speaker 10: to change the material incentives you try to grow the economy.

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Speaker 10: Don't just tell Americans that they're being too selfish or

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Speaker 10: that they're not taking enough abortion pills or something crazy

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Speaker 10: like that, so it's not reproducing that generation. You're identifying

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Speaker 10: a good problem there, chructure or this solution is not

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Speaker 10: just to willing really import mass third worlders who simply

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Speaker 10: do not share our values. The solution is to make

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Speaker 10: America a better place to have more children.

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Speaker 3: We've got more Democrats embarrassing themselves is a start with

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Speaker 3: the elan Omer, one of the squad members here, who

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Speaker 3: tweeted this on Memorial Day, obviously not understanding what the

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Speaker 3: day is supposed to commemorate, and another squad members, Congresswoman

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Speaker 3: Cory Bush, also tweeted.

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Speaker 7: This, mentioning all sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: Universal health care and affordable housing. Both those tweets have

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Speaker 3: now been deleted Josh, because presumably someone in their staff

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Speaker 3: told them what Memorial Day actually means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Look, Leftizria have a very very long standing habit of

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Speaker 10: trying to universalized messages that ought to be particulous, So,

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Speaker 10: you know, to to give just one example, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I'm Jewish, and we have a very long history in

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Speaker 10: America of politicians, especially from the Democratic side of the Isle,

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Speaker 10: who take many of our Jewish holidays such as Passover,

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Speaker 10: which is of course about the exodus from Egypt and

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Speaker 10: the liberation of the Jewish people, and trying to universe

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Speaker 10: this message to be any kind of just kind of

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Speaker 10: hold our hands smoke a piece pipe Kumbaya kind of thing.

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Speaker 10: They try to take the passover message and they'll twist

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Speaker 10: it and turn it to be about the liberations of

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Speaker 10: LGBT rights or the liberation of the legal aliens. A

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Speaker 10: lot of Chuck Schumer's clip there. This to me is

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Speaker 10: very much in that line where you take a very

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Speaker 10: specific particular day. Memorial Day here in America is a

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Speaker 10: very solemn day. It is where we remember those who

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Speaker 10: give the ultimate sacrifice to defend this last great nation,

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Speaker 10: this last dying perhaps, but this last is still in existence,

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Speaker 10: gasp of freedom in Western civilization. And we and we

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Speaker 10: look to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, and we

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Speaker 10: pay our very solemn respects. To quote the Great General

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Speaker 10: George Patten, today on Memorial Day here in America is

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Speaker 10: not a day to be sad, to mourn those who die,

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Speaker 10: but rather to thank God that such men live. That's

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Speaker 10: the That's the quote from George Patten. And then to

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Speaker 10: take that message and to try to do a Corey

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Speaker 10: Push and illin Omar and these various other squad far

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Speaker 10: left nut jobs are doing and talking about, you know,

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Speaker 10: Black Lives Matter, Antifa, universal healthcare, Palestinian rights, I legal

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Speaker 10: aliens totally totally missing the forest for the trees. But

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Speaker 10: it's not just accidental, reader. I think that there is

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Speaker 10: a slight dose of intentionality here. They know what they're doing.

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Speaker 10: They're trying to undermine America's psalm traditions and holidays in

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Speaker 10: favor of their very tendentious genda.

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Speaker 3: Probably, but it's interesting that this time around they deleted

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Speaker 3: those tweets. I think a couple of years ago they

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Speaker 3: may have not, but I don't know. We're in an election, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe they're a little bit more sensitive. You might remember

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Speaker 3: this classic from Kamala Harris a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: I think this was actually her first year as VAP,

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Speaker 3: and she posted this for Mourial to have enjoyed the

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Speaker 3: long weekend. That really is just so poignant, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Goodness may Now, there's been a number of attax josh

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Speaker 3: from assailants in recent years.

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Speaker 2: It's hard not to notice.

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Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting they're disproportionately represented in the stats. Someone

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Speaker 3: else can look into the figures and let me know

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Speaker 3: about that. But there have been several instances of men

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Speaker 3: identifying as women and a couple of women identifying as

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Speaker 3: men being behind really violent, disturbing crimes. And there was

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Speaker 3: another one over the weekend, and New York Post repeats

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Speaker 3: that the knifemen accused of stabbing six people, including three children,

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Speaker 3: and suspected of killing another, appears to have been in

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Speaker 3: the process of changing their identity and they insist on

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Speaker 3: being called a she.

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Speaker 10: Look, this is once again just another data point in

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Speaker 10: what is a longstanding problematic trend. I mean, look, it

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Speaker 10: feels like it was just yesterday. Our new cycle moves

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Speaker 10: so quickly now that we forget that this is over

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Speaker 10: a year ago. Now, there was the school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 10: of the Covenant School, of that Christian school by a

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Speaker 10: former student of that school, who it turns out was

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Speaker 10: a transgender individual. And what this individual did was they

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Speaker 10: who were just attending a school in a given day

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Speaker 10: in March twenty point three, first went to the church

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Speaker 10: that connects to the school and shot at the stained

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Speaker 10: glass depiction of the prophet Abraham, you know, the great

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Speaker 10: patriarch Abraham, the father of all three monotheistic religions. You

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Speaker 10: know what would compel someone who was a former Christian

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Speaker 10: school student who became a transgender person to shoot up

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Speaker 10: a stained glass depiction of the father of all of

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Speaker 10: Western monotheistic religion. I mean, the question kind of answers itself, right,

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Speaker 10: There's something very deeply psychologically troubling going on here. And

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Speaker 10: you know, I'm not a psychologist. Don't take it from me.

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Speaker 10: I mean, go back and look at the DSM three,

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Speaker 10: the DSM four. I mean, gender dysphoria up until fairly recently,

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Speaker 10: was a universally recognized social malady, and it was a

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Speaker 10: psychological matter for which the proper treatment was seen as

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Speaker 10: psychologists seeing a psychiatrist and ultimately getting some form of

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Speaker 10: advanced kind of psychological training. It was only a fairly

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Speaker 10: recent memory, reader, that we have decided to not just

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Speaker 10: bestow this an impromoter of legitimacy, but to try to

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Speaker 10: kind of you give it much praise and adoration and

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Speaker 10: all this as well. I am waiting for conservatives to

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Speaker 10: try to make this point articulately, because a lot of

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Speaker 10: people tend to kind of put out a lot of

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Speaker 10: fiery rhetica, fiery rhetoric without much substance or policy beef

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Speaker 10: behind it there. But at this point this is too

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Speaker 10: big of a problem to simply ignore. I mean, if

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Speaker 10: you are a man who thinks that you are a woman,

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Speaker 10: we should have compassion and we should encourage you to

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Speaker 10: seek help. But to pretend like this is just a

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Speaker 10: normal situation just to keep on going on, people are

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Speaker 10: ultimately going to continue to die and get wounded and

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Speaker 10: tragically just murdered by people just like this. I fear

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Speaker 10: unless we get to the bottom of what's actually going

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Speaker 10: on psychologically.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is interesting, Josh, Silicon Valley is turning away

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Speaker 3: from the Democrats. We are told I'm not sure if

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Speaker 3: I believe this, but we have investors and venture capitalists

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Speaker 3: saying it's becoming impossible to support Joe Biden. What do

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Speaker 3: you make of this? I mean, this is something that

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Speaker 3: has been a very much a stronghold for the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Silicon Valley has traditionally lent left quite strongly.

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Speaker 2: Could they come around embracing Donald Trump?

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Speaker 10: You know, it really does seem almost impossible. I mean,

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Speaker 10: of all of America's major industries, big tech in Silicon

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Speaker 10: Valley is, as you accurately say, by far, one of

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Speaker 10: the most reliable Democratic Party voting blocks. I mean, it's

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Speaker 10: right there, literally in northern California, which is about as

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Speaker 10: blue an area of America as possibly guess. I kind

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Speaker 10: of have to wonder here if the Elon must trend

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Speaker 10: on Twitter export of recalling of these days, if that

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Speaker 10: trend is actually kind of auguing a broader kind of

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Speaker 10: paradigm and shift. Now, Look, the Democratic Party is no

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Speaker 10: actual friend of the big tech platforms. When they actually

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Speaker 10: get into power, they're frequently threatening to bust them up

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Speaker 10: when it comes to anti trust. They're, you know, Democrats,

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Speaker 10: just like Republicans, are actually very critical of what in

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Speaker 10: America we call Section two thirty immunity, although they're critical

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Speaker 10: of it for very different reasons than Republicans tend to be.

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Speaker 10: So they're actually not particularly favorable to Democrats when they

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Speaker 10: get in office. Maybe between that and the fact that

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Speaker 10: Joe Biden himself is obviously probably senile in the extreme

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Speaker 10: and quite literally barely even knows what day it is

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Speaker 10: ending and why on any given day, you know, maybe

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Speaker 10: they're starting to kind of peel away towards Trump on

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Speaker 10: the margins here. But I really do find the Elon

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Speaker 10: Musk possibility here particularly fascinating if you look at kind

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Speaker 10: of the human fabric of Silicon Valley, you look at

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Speaker 10: kind of the Sergei Brains, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk,

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Speaker 10: it's actually a fairly small cabal of people who are

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Speaker 10: kind of the true kingpins of this industry. You're probably

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Speaker 10: talking here about twenty to twenty five people at the most.

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Speaker 10: So when someone like Elon Musk can actually take over

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Speaker 10: a whole platform and really put it in a very

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Speaker 10: different and in many ways in more positive direction, I'm

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Speaker 10: really wondering whether that that actually has had a serious

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Speaker 10: effect on how his various kind of classmates in that

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Speaker 10: Silicon Valley upper class, how they view their relationship to

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Speaker 10: American politics as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Elon sacked we was it eighty ninety percent of Twitter

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Speaker 3: now X's employees, and we were told the whole thing

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Speaker 3: was going to collapse, and yet it's more popular than ever.

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Speaker 3: It seems to have more activity, more users than ever.

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Speaker 3: And that's to me one of the most astonishing things

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Speaker 3: we've seen in the last couple of years, that you

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Speaker 3: could sack ninety percent of a workforce, a well paid workforce,

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Speaker 3: and really have no difference in the product in the

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Speaker 3: user experience.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Look, I mean, as a conservative who is on Twitter

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Speaker 10: a decent amount, probably more than I should be. You know, look,

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Speaker 10: I mean in some ways, I mean, the free speech

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Speaker 10: absolutism can be a bit of a problem. So you

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Speaker 10: see some accounts that are viciously racist, you know, you know,

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Speaker 10: viciously anti Semitic, viciously anti Western that tend to get

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Speaker 10: boosted here. But you know, I mean that kind of

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Speaker 10: is just free speech playing out the way that it's

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Speaker 10: supposed to be, and there are some downsides of that

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Speaker 10: that are also a lot of upsides of that. You know,

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Speaker 10: I know that I am not going to get banned

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Speaker 10: from Twitter tomorrow, Rita for simply saying the biological truism

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Speaker 10: that there is male and there is female, there is

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Speaker 10: xx chromosomal structure, and there's x y chromosomal structure. Back

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Speaker 10: in the free elon must status quo anti back when

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Speaker 10: Jack Dorsey and the rest of the far left clown brigade,

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Speaker 10: back when they were running Twitter, you could literally be

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Speaker 10: banned for the platform for saying what I just said

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Speaker 10: on your show is that there are two genders. As

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Speaker 10: we have known throughout the entire history of humanity. And

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Speaker 10: it's very nice to have a social platform now where

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Speaker 10: you know you're not going to get just and or

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Speaker 10: shadow boundary Bloch Willy Nilly for saying such very common, sensible.

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Speaker 3: Things, Josh Hamma, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 3: this evening. Thank you, Riader still to come. Psychologists Claire

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Speaker 3: Row on the media's calls for under sixteens to be

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Speaker 3: banned from social media. But does Generation Alpha face more

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Speaker 3: pressing issues? Claire joins me next you're watching the Riata

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Speaker 3: Panney Show. Joining me now is psychologist Claire Row. A

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Speaker 3: lot has been said recently, Claire about banning social media

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Speaker 3: for children under sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I've shared my thoughts on the issue.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of this agenda for a number

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Speaker 3: of reasons, and one of them is surely this generation,

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Speaker 3: Generation Alpha have more immediate issues than just social media

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Speaker 3: being on TikTok, Instagram and all that entails. And one

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Speaker 3: of those things is hardcore pornography, which young children are

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Speaker 3: being exposed to from a very young age. We know

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Speaker 3: from research in the UK the average age of children

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Speaker 3: accessing this hardcore porn is twelve years old. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of them that access it earlier. What is the

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Speaker 3: impact on children from accessing this sort of material at

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Speaker 3: such a young age.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, thanks, Rita. And I think one of the major

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Speaker 18: problems here is that, as you said, is younger and younger.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I think there's a lot of kids who

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Speaker 18: are exposed to pornography way before twelve years old. I

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Speaker 18: think here tamy Lot has been poot borders and aborigin

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Speaker 18: a lot of countries. So you know, it's not about

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Speaker 18: hiding the Playboy magazine under the bed anymore. And as

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Speaker 18: you can imagine, you know, all devices are Internet enabled,

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Speaker 18: so at the click of fingertips, you know, children can

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Speaker 18: access this. And I think I think this goes really

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Speaker 18: to the heart. You know, if we're going to have

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Speaker 18: that discussion on social media in general, it really is

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Speaker 18: the Internet. It's not social media. It's about the world

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Speaker 18: being brought into our children's bedrooms. And you know, for

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Speaker 18: you and I growing up, if we'd doubt our parents something,

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Speaker 18: they would have said, well, i'll tell you when you're older.

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Speaker 18: These days, a child will look back at you and say, oh,

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Speaker 18: that's okay, I'll google it. I'll I'll google image it,

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Speaker 18: and you think, oh my goodness. You know, so parents

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Speaker 18: are forced into conversations earlier and earlier. And you know,

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Speaker 18: as has been said in recent times, we underprotect our

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Speaker 18: children in the real world, you know, but we over

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Speaker 18: so we overprotect them in the real world, I should say,

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Speaker 18: but we underprotect them online. And it's about the entirety

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Speaker 18: of you know, the world being brought into their bedrooms.

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Speaker 18: And I think for people who don't really understand the

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Speaker 18: impacts of pornography, very clear the research that it's not

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Speaker 18: just linking behaviors towards risky sexual behaviors, which it does.

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Speaker 18: It actually has really clear links in aggression, violence, poor

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Speaker 18: academic results, poor socialization, poor friendship, and definitely very poor

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Speaker 18: mental health. But it's some more wide reaching than just

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Speaker 18: saying that if you watch pornography you're going to be

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Speaker 18: kind of sexually promiscuous. It's the damage of the far

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Speaker 18: more maps and for the young children stumbling across this material,

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Speaker 18: as you can imagine, I mean, it's very aggressive, violent material.

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Speaker 18: Some of it, it's very confronting and traumatizing. You can

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Speaker 18: imagine for an eight year old is stumbled onto some

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Speaker 18: of those fites.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, it has a powerful impact, often a very

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Speaker 3: powerfully negative impact on young adults, so you can only

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Speaker 3: imagine young children who really don't comprehend precisely what it

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Speaker 3: is they're seeing. Now, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 3: the federal budget expanded mental health funding that was applauded

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Speaker 3: by many, but there's very little extra money being put

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Speaker 3: towards the care for the most severely mentally ill people

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Speaker 3: in Australia, those for example, who were suffering from severe schizophrenia.

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Speaker 3: The Albaneza government, it was very heavily criticized by former

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Speaker 3: chair of the Mental Health Australia Board Matt Berryman, who

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Speaker 3: said the PM had refused to meet during his first

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Speaker 3: two years in office. We are spending a great deal

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Speaker 3: of money on mental health, Claire, but is the money

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Speaker 3: not going where it's most desperately needed.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 18: I think mental health is the only sector where the

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Speaker 18: more money we spend, the worse it gets, you know.

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Speaker 18: I mean, if we were going to put this amount

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Speaker 18: of money into something like cancer research, we'd want to

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Speaker 18: be looking at the results that you know, cancer was

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Speaker 18: coming down, or there was some type of less diagnoses

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Speaker 18: were coming down. But mental health seems to be the

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Speaker 18: only area where not only do we pile more money

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Speaker 18: into it, but the rates of mental health diagnoses keep

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Speaker 18: going up, and then the circular argument is when we

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Speaker 18: need more funding. So one of the issues I have

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Speaker 18: is that the government has said said they're going to

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Speaker 18: commit to something like five hundred and eighty million dollars

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Speaker 18: to come up with some type of online platform where

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Speaker 18: all these can call up for some telehealth, some very

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Speaker 18: low intensity it calls it. You know, we're not talking

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Speaker 18: about clinical depression, we're talking about catching people early.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 18: It sounds lovely, it's all well and good, and there's

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Speaker 18: a lot of research that shows the benefit of early intervention, obviously,

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Speaker 18: but we do already have that. There's millions of dollars

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Speaker 18: poured into things like the Black Dog Institute, Headspace, you know,

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Speaker 18: mental health education through schools. There is a lot of

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Speaker 18: money there, and it's good to spend money. I'm worried

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Speaker 18: that if you actually are more up with severe end

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Speaker 18: and you may be having you know, ivepad clients with

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Speaker 18: suicidal tendencies, with people with severe psychiatric illnesses, there are

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Speaker 18: very few places for them to go to unless they're

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Speaker 18: run to salk out for the private system. The number

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Speaker 18: of hospital beds I'm concerned about more in mental health warms,

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Speaker 18: and I get that we can't just be reactionary and

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Speaker 18: we can't just spend money there, but I do feel like, gosh,

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Speaker 18: you know, nearly six hundred million dollars to create some

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Speaker 18: very vague, no details at the moment platform where you're

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Speaker 18: going to call up because you're not feeling that great

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Speaker 18: that day and you're going to get some kind of

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Speaker 18: free counseling. Yet I've got pretty you know, severe clients

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Speaker 18: and bad states where they need more than my support

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Speaker 18: and the private sector can offer. And I call around

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Speaker 18: trying to get some inpatient support through a hospital system

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Speaker 18: and it's not available, and I'm worried about that end

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Speaker 18: of the system.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're working at the cold Face Clairo. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for your insights tonight. Do you appreciate it?

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Speaker 2: And that's it from me. Up next is Newsnight. I'll

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Speaker 2: see you at eleven tomorrow. Good night,