WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 6 May 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.960 On Skyeleves Ostrodia. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.280 This is the Wader Panalty Show. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.360 Good evening and welcome to the Reader Paney Show coming 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.800 up tonight. Should the Liberal Party change or compromise its 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.880 values to appeal to female voters. Patrick Carline will be 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.599 here to discuss the day's top headlines. The Great Douglas 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.560 Murray on the Deadly Consequences of Leftist policies will be 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.920 joining us before the first ad break, Kosher Gaida on 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.280 the Latest from the US, and later in the hour 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.440 They Always Droll. Alex Stein on the star studded musical 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:41.080 that features a black actress portraying Jesus and left He 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.440 is Losing. It features more than one aging has been 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.200 including actor Sean Penn. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:47.640 You think he'll try to stay on? 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.919 I think he might try to destroy the world by 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.560 the before he before he ages out of life. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.840 But first, Some of the Liberal Party's biggest stoners are 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.080 threatening to pull their funding after the devastating loss on 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.399 the weekend. Donors are long term supporters of the Liberal 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.640 Party have lashed out of the disorganized election campaign and 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:13.120 at Peter Dutton's labor Light small target policy platform, saying 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.240 that after that performance, they're no longer interested in giving 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.679 the Libs financial support. Billionaire Robert Milner, the chairman of Soulpatz, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.760 said it's been a disaster. I will be seriously thinking 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.040 about whether I ever donate again. I don't know where 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.080 they go to from now. It was a very poor campaign. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.640 Stockbroker Angus Eightken, one of the largest Liberal donors, said 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.440 I have zero interest in donating further to the Liberals. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.120 They need a wholesale clear out to work out what 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.040 they stand for instead of these me too style quasi 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.440 labor policies to do not well against these poor outcomes. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:56.560 Labor as generators is astounding, but the lack of policies 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:01.400 from the Liberal Party was completely hopeless. Among the criticism 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.880 was that the coalition failed to effectively campaign on cutting 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:10.000 Labour's wasteful green energy spending and on stopping Labour's dangerous 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:14.440 plans for unrealized capital gains tax. Joining me now for 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.120 more on this. As News Corps senior writer Patrick Carly 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.240 and Patrick, this is precisely the advice they should be 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.680 listening to instead of the media hacks telling them to 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.799 veer further left. They ran a labor l like policy. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.440 It didn't work. It doesn't work in Wa, doesn't work 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.840 here in Victoria, and it certainly doesn't work federally as 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:36.560 we've just seen. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.919 Well, it was uniform, wasn't it. Australia rejected the coalition, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.359 It wasn't victorious Ay or Queensland. And I think those 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.960 daughters make a very good point. We're coming off a 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.160 first term government that wasn't particularly good. Anthony ALBERNIZI is 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.880 never going to be Bob Hawk. There was a lot 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.679 of errors made through that turn, so it's plenty to prosecute, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.200 and they just could not effectively sort of launch a 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.239 campaign that made you think, well, he's a vision here 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.280 that's different to the Labor Party that's been in power 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.359 and made a lot of mistakes. It was fragmented, we're 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.640 hearing now it was so chaotic behind the scenes. It 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.880 was all on the run policy and nobody bought it. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.799 Now, Patrick, you mentioned chaos, and here is further details 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.040 of the chaos within the Liberal Party and the lead 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:27.119 up to the election, with insiders revealing that major energy, housing, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.640 and defense policies were worked up on the run during 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.960 the campaign and it showed the National gas Reserve policy, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.760 senior College and ministers royally given about three hours notice 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.960 that Peter Dutton planned to unveil the gas policy, and 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.120 the announcement was made before the final version of the 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:50.120 modeling from Frontier Economics was available. That reportedly saw Liberal 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.640 campaign staff chasing the final version of the report from 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.680 director Danny Price, who was found to be in New 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.680 Zealand with his phone turned off. Patrick. When the report 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:05.240 was mainly finally made public some twelve days after Peter 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.880 Dutton's budget speech, it didn't exactly show the cost savings 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.520 that were promise. I mean, this is such a monumental mess. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.120 When they needed to be bold and strong, they were 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.240 weak and incoherent. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.359 Look, I think that's right. I mean if you go 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.080 back to last year, or even the year before Peter 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.719 Dutton announced nuclear policy, which you sort of thought, well, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.760 that's whatever you think of it, that's bold, that's game changing. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.400 Are we going to have a referendum on energy? And instead? 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.320 Where he get these sort of half baked sort of 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.920 ideas on the run and the modeling didn't even pan 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.720 out to accord with what Peter Dutton had promised. You 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.640 can't be doing that. This election was not a surprise. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.040 They've had three years to sort of work on this 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.159 and to get it right, and to believe in things, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.760 and to convince the electorate that this is a bold 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.839 alternative and they failed on all of those levels. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.320 We had Senator Alex Antikon on Sunday on Outsiders, and 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:05.239 he said that some of their policies resembled mobile phone plans, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.440 where you get a special deal for twelve months, you 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.000 get a cut or discount on the fuel ex size. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.160 How is that going to convince people to throw out 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.760 a first term government? And you mentioned nuclear policy. It 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.160 was a point of differentiation, but it doesn't come intil 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.239 the twenty thirties. If they won and they ran away 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.360 from that policy. Throughout the campaign, they were too scared 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.760 to articulate their position because there were attacks, which they 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.080 should have expected. Of course they're going to be attacks. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.000 Well, I think I'm convincing is a word that sort 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.000 of springs to mind for me, because in the end, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.599 when they look to be in doubt, they sort of 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.520 copied what the ALP had done, or did a version 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.000 of the ALP, and at the same time they sort 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:51.280 of alienated certain sections of the community. They weren't a choice, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.200 they weren't doing anything different, and they weren't doing anything better. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.920 It looked like a campaign where they really were doing 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.240 it on the run and they really didn't know what 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:01.640 they would striving to do. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.479 Now to an interesting piece in the Australian Financial Review 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.480 by Tricia jar on the woes facing the Liberal Party. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.640 She writes about the error of thinking that to appeal 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.960 to women, to appeal to professionals and millennials, the Liberals 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:20.479 must change or compromise their values. She writes tax policies 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.719 that encourage growth, housing policies that enable choice, immigration policies 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:29.159 that contribute to Australia's prosperity, and a disciplined approach to 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.919 public spending that contains ballooning debt for the next generation 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.800 should be bread and butter issues for Liberals and one 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:41.320 that can have cut through with all demographics. She makes 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.479 an excellent point there because I think the easy thing 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.520 to do, which is what we're hearing now from all 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.320 the grifters and the like, is they are wanting to 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.440 push through their pet projects, so they want to have 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.479 gender quotas. They want to essentially turn the Liberal Party 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.400 into labor We already have a labor party. If people 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.800 want to vote for labor, they vote for labor, give 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.679 them a choice. But the point made in this AFR 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:11.400 piece I think is spot on women and millennials. They're 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.720 not some weird demographic. If you give them sound policies, 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.760 it will appeal to them as it appeals to every 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:18.640 other demographic. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.480 Well, it was women in those marginal seats on in 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.920 the outer suburbs of the capital cities that they really 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.000 had to win over, and they sort of lost them 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.200 from day one virtually or literally, which they're working from 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.239 home policy, which basically said a lot of these women 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.080 were working from home to save money because they're in 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.080 the cost of living crisis, they were making ends meet, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.040 and they sort of come in and basically have this 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.560 policy that alienates them from the outset. That's when the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.720 election was lost. Basically, it's easy to say that after 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.000 the event, but they never got that back and they're 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.000 basically it was the same with the young people and 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.520 indeed for all taxpayers. I mean, the coalition's tax policy 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.720 was costlier to the average taxpayer than the ALPS. I mean, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.080 what do they believe in, what do they stand for? 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.600 Well, we'll wait and see, because I think it's going 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.200 to be crucial the next leader of the Liberal Party. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.640 If they go the wrong way that then they can 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.040 have many more years of pain. The rebuild needs to start, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.760 and needs to start very quickly. Patrick Carlin, thanks for 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.600 your time. Joining me now is best selling author Douglas 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.040 Murray's latest book on democracies and death cults has just 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.120 hit the shells. Douglas, let's start with sickening cases of 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.280 abuse and neglect of vulnerable children ignored by authorities in 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.439 the name of anti racism or so called progressive ideology. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.720 The front page of the New York Post today says 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:52.520 it all kids doomed. ACS's that's Administration for Children's Services 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.520 progressive agenda led to seven child debts. Douglas, the cases 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:03.200 here are sickening kids, abuse, long term staved, mistreated, and 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.520 the paper says they're victims of an agency stubbornly committed 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.160 to a progressive ideology that considers removing children from a 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.960 troubled home, no matter how abusive, to be cruel and 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.679 even racist, leaving too many children to fend for themselves 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.520 and sadly, Douglas, I think this is not just a 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.440 problem in New York, but in many parts of the 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:26.200 Western world. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.400 That's right, Greta. I mean, it's an unbelievably shocking story. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.280 You would have thought that, you know, of all jobs 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.000 that local government authority is meant to see through and 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:43.600 commit to, you'd have thought that the looking after caring 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.000 for the most vulnerable in society would be something that 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.520 everybody could just agree on as a priority. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:51.440 But as the New York Post. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:55.240 Says, the ACS in New York is one of many 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.080 such agencies across the US and indeed across the west 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.520 of the Western world that really regards ideologies of other 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.240 kinds as trumping that and especially the so called anti 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:16.800 racist ideologies and all of the diversity equity stuff that 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:22.400 actually those things trump child's safety. That, as the Post says, today, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.400 people who should be caring for these children instead are 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:32.880 in hark to this ideology that says, to interrupt the family, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.400 even a family where child's being abused is in some 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:41.319 way it's self abusive because it could be racist. This 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:46.360 is really where the rubber hits a road on ideologies. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.480 Like the whole di thing. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.600 The question is like, are you going to pursue this 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.920 ideology all the way, even at the expense of vulnerable 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.839 children or are you going to have other priorities. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.960 I would hope after the attention that. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.800 These horrific cases have now got more people who should 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:11.720 be making childcare a priority will do so instead of 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:19.559 these absolutely inappropriate and wildly unuseful ideologies. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:23.960 You would hope so. But as we've seen in the 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.560 UK with the Grooming gang scandal, the lessons haven't been 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.679 learned there, where vulnerable young girls were just abandoned by 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:39.440 authorities in the name of community cohesion and PC agenda. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.880 Now staying in the UK, an extraordinary story is unfolding 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.720 there with revelations that an Iranian terror attack was just 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.600 hours away from being launched on British soil before it 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:57.640 was foiled by counter terrorism officers. British police arrested eight people, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.560 including seven Iranian nationals, suspicion of terrorism offenses. The UK 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.680 Telegraph reports that authorities feed the attacks on a specific 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.200 premises was imminent, and there is speculation Douglas that the 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:15.760 target may have been a synagogue or another target link 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.640 to the Jewish community. This is Douglas, certainly a frightening development. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:28.439 It is very frightening, but sadly not surprising. Iranian terrorists 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.080 have targeted people in a bewildering array. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.199 Of countries by now. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.440 They of course famously carried out bombings of Jewish community 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.840 center in South America some years ago in New York City, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:50.600 in Brooklyn elsewhere, Iranian government assassins tried to kill again 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.960 just a year or two ago, a very brave Iranian 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.319 exile who is critical of the regime. They tried to 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:03.600 kill this young woman in America. The Iranian government's most 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:09.760 prominent media outlet boasts about this just the other week. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.600 As I wrote in the Post the other day, just 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.160 the other week, the editor of one of the main 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.920 organs of the Iranian revolutionary government, who has the ear 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.679 of the Supreme Leader and is generally regarded. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.760 As being a spokesman for. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.800 Him, said that it was still the intention of the 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.320 Iranian government to put a bullet in the skull of 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:34.000 President Trump, and he said hopefully that day will arrive soon. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:35.800 It is amazing. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.720 We'll wait and see what unfolds in the UK about 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.960 this tera sal and its prospective targets, but I don't 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.640 think anyone should be that surprised by it. Iran has 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.400 been put pumping terrorists obviously around the whole the region 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.440 it's in. But the revolutionary government's also been trying to 0:13:55.440 --> 0:14:00.600 carry out assassinations with impunity in America in other countries 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.000 for years now. I do wonder when we'll start to 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.040 take them seriously and actually do anything in response. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.480 Meanwhile, Douglas kirs Starmer continues to obsess about the threat 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.560 from the so called far right. Now, Nigel Faraja's Reform 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.760 Party had a stunning resulted council and by elections on Thursday. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.680 The party is now taking control of ten local councils, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.720 won two mayoral races and added a fifth MP to 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.560 its ranks. Forages, hailing reforms triumph as unprecedented. He says 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.200 it's the end of the two party rule in the UK. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.880 Is he right? He's taking votes from Labor and the Tories, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.720 Douglas Well. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.880 Nail Varas has done this before, of course, he led 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.640 the Brexit Party and indeed U kept us stunning electoral 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.160 successes principally back then in the European Parliament when Britain 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.840 was still a member of the EU. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.040 So there are two. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.360 Things I think people have to bear in mind when 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.000 they look at these. One is that they are local elections. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.480 Turn out tends to be low and it tends to 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.680 be the case that people punish incumbent parties, So that's 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.000 definitely the case. It was an undoubtedly successful night for reform. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.520 That doesn't necessarily mean though, that Reform can see that 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.240 through at a general election. As you know, Reta, the 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.280 whole setup and as Night Parage know is better than anyone, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.280 the whole setup of the first past the post system, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.000 which is intended to give strong governments and sometimes does. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.000 But the whole point. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.920 Of it really is that an insurgent party like those 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.040 that Nigel Farag has led for some thirty years now, 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.040 it is effectively it's very hard at general elections to 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.880 break through. You see the number of votes that were 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.000 needed or the number of votes that haven't the last 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.600 general election per Reform MP as opposed to the number 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.800 of votes per Labor MP, and I mean it's way off. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.120 So we'll see. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.920 There are, of course, of more than four years to 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.600 go till the next general election in the UK. The 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.760 problem that Farage obviously is principally is not to Labor 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.040 or it definitely does chip away it Labors vote and 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.120 did do. Here the principal threat is to the Conservative Party. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:21.000 If the Conservative Party cannot see off threat from Pharage 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.920 and Reform, then they really don't deserve to exist. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.440 But it should be possible for the Conservative Party to 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:28.200 see them off. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.960 It's just that the Conservative Party has to first of all, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.479 have policies that can outflank Nigel Farage's policies, and secondly, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.160 of course to find some way back into the public 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:45.880 trust after thirteen fourteen years of Conservative governments, for instance, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.160 saying that they were going to lower migration whilst seeing. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.120 Migration go through the roof. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.120 It will take quite a long time for the electorate 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.440 to forgive the Conservative Party for that, I think. But 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.480 the Conservative Party will have to address that question, and 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.960 it'll have to do so much faster than they're doing 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:00.880 at the moment. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:02.880 Now. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.320 Douglas, I can't wait to get your take on this 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:10.879 bizarre interaction involving the BBC chairman Samir Shah, who is 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:17.160 asked whether Hermas are terrorists. Now much frivolity and squirming 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.640 and giggling follows. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.600 One last question just for you as an individual, Samir, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.440 do you consider her Mass to be a terrorist group? 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:29.520 I have to. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:35.080 Answer that in terms of the way we currently what. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.040 Do you think they are. Do you think they're a 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.560 convocation with happy little squirrels and want that? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.960 I don't think that. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:49.200 But but I'm here as a chairman of the BIST 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.919 as an individual enter, I can tell you what I 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.240 think when I'm right now to the world. I am 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.600 the chairman of the BBC, and we have taken the 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.639 view as a board that would continue to use the 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.160 word terrorist only with attribution. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:06.879 That's the position weake. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:13.520 Although I think you think they're terrorists. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.600 Douglas. If he thinks they're terrorists, then why doesn't he 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.920 say so? I would hardly think it's a controversial opinion. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.040 Isn't it bizarre? 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:23.280 Eat? 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.800 I mean, it's not hard to call hamas terrorists, not. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.280 Just because they are, because they're designated as much in 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.520 the UK and most other Western countries. I mean, what's 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.240 so difficult about that? I think, really, what we see there, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.000 I could quite believe the sort of jolly. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.640 Squirming of same sha on that. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:48.720 I mean, you know, he's talking about people who have 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:54.879 been busily murdering other Palestinians in recent days, and who 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.520 of course for years have tried to commit genocide against 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.119 the Jewish people, and say they want to wipe the 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.480 Jewish people off the face of. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:03.879 The earth and everyone else next. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:05.879 Now, I mean, I can't see why any of that 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:10.000 is such a sort of squirmingly funny matter to Samir Shah. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.480 I'd like to see him laugh his way through an 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.440 interview about any other genocidal group that wanted to wipe 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.680 out any organization or group of people from the face 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.160 of the earth. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.000 It's very, very strange behavior. All I can think of. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.680 Is that Samir Shah, the chairman of the BBC, is 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.840 trying to squirm out of that because he's aware of 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.959 the number of his colleagues or employees underneath them at 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.159 the BBC who think that Hamaz are some kind of 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:44.879 liberationist movement who shouldn't be smeared with the terrorist label, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.760 and that if he Samir Shah is too strict about 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.200 saying that Hamaz are terrorists, then he'll have hell to 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.840 pay from the newsroom floor and from junior reporters and 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.480 junior editors and so on. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.280 It's really quite despicable. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.840 It's not a difficult one that at all, But yes, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.280 I mean, it tells us about what he's swimming in 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:11.639 the BBC that that is a difficult question to answer. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.679 You know, I'd love to see him do it on 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.720 any other group. As I say, I mean, I don't 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.120 know if he finds al Qaeda as chortlingly funny as 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.960 he does Hamaz or ic It or anyone else. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.720 But it tells you an awful lot. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.560 About the way in which the BBC just contorts itself 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.480 on these really quite straightforward questions. But yeah, I completely 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.000 recognize the thing he's swimming in. It's a newsroom and 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:44.040 an organization that finds it incredibly hard to actually call 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:45.960 Jimaz what they call themselves. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.880 That I think he would have taken far more seriously 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.280 a question like can a woman have a penis? Because 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.040 he wouldn't want to be oh laughing at that. That 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.880 would be a very serious, sober analysis. Before you go, Douglas, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.639 I have to get your take on Prince Harry's latest 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.720 media interview. He's sat down and again moaned about the 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.720 state of the relationship with his family. He says King 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.800 Charles will not take his calls, and Prince Harry apparently 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:23.240 is desperate for reconciliation, but King Charles is rejecting efforts 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:28.280 to reconcile. Why do you think that is, it's. 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.440 Really pitiful, I have to say, reach to a very sad. 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.480 Prince Harry, as I've said to you before, had a 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.200 great opportunity when he turned his life around, joined the 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.879 British Army and served with distinction in Afghanista. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.720 He had a real chance to make a hell. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.439 Of a go of it with his life and to 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.600 be a role model and to encourage other people, including 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.919 other young men who may have lost their way, to 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.119 find themselves on a good path. 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:56.440 And then he veered way off it. 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.520 And you know now when he says that members of 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.440 his family don't want to take his calls, I mean, 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:08.520 it's very hard to know whether he realizes why that 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:09.960 might be. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.600 Because the reason it might. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.800 Be is that whenever any member of his family speaks 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.959 to him, they might find what they said either written 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.480 up in another book or relayed in interviews with the 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.520 BBC and other channels. So you know, it's a very 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.040 peculiar thing that's going on at Prince Harry's head, and 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.600 I feel very sorry for him if he can't grasp this. 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.840 If people around you know that you're likely to run 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.680 and broadcast what they say in private to the world, 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.840 then yeah, they might be reticent in speaking to you, 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.919 and the way to mend that isn't to go on 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.560 television and relay the fact that they're not speaking to 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:58.719 you at the moment. I mean, if he said, I 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.720 want to reconcile with my father, and they'll do anything 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.640 that requires, but I think it should be done away 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:09.439 from the cameras and without any spare volume twos or 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.399 anything like that, and there'll be no cooking shows involved. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:14.600 It's just a family matter. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.720 If he did that, maybe he could actually make this 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.280 reunion that he wants. But this is the worst way 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.320 to go about it. I can't imagine who is actually 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:30.440 advising Prince Harry, other than possibly for his wife, because 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.879 I think only she could give him pr advice this bad. 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.159 I think it is Megan. I mean, this is straight 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.800 from her playbook. It seems to go to the media 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:48.200 to whine about something that is just going to make 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.480 that problem far worse. And is now claiming that they 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.840