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Speaker 1: Appoche production. There's a bit to get through in this

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Speaker 1: on the journey. We understand that there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: year in a bit. The most important development since our

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Speaker 1: September ninth, twenty twenty four to release the autopsy photos

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Speaker 1: to Senator Jackie Lambie. Jackie wrote in some detail on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the Westbrooks to the Chief Magistrate a month earlier,

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Speaker 1: requesting the release of the autopsy photos. These were not

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Speaker 1: In her previous response, the Coroner endorsed the previous decision

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Speaker 1: it was outside formal proceedings, so it wasn't appropriate for

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Speaker 1: of course, were disappointed by this decision, as the autopsy

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Speaker 1: to an authorized independent expert. It wasn't like they were

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Speaker 1: really grateful to Jackie Lamby for getting behind Eden's cause

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Speaker 1: Jackie's not one to give up a fight and gnaw

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Speaker 1: of the Westbrooks. In this episode, we're going to speak

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Speaker 1: Eden's youngest sister, who was eleven. The effect that this

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Speaker 1: what about these two young kids that faced something that

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Speaker 1: let's take you back to early August, when Jackie Lamby

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Speaker 1: the request from Jackie Lamby on behalf of the Westbrooks

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Speaker 1: The Westbrooks were advised by a senior police officer in

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Speaker 1: Tasmanian Police advised the Westbrooks that the inquiries had been

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Speaker 2: Are you aware that Tasmania is the only state in

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Speaker 2: Attorney General, do you agree that this needs to change?

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Speaker 1: If so when Honorable Speaker, I thank the honorable Member

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Speaker 1: I've had that meeting, and I gave a commitment to respond.

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Speaker 1: We were awaiting further information from the Westbrook family, which

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Speaker 1: Pass on my sincere condolences to the family.

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Speaker 2: A supplementary question, Speaker, it was really to do with

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Speaker 3: Well, she was a really great big sister. Obviously, like

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember she really liked reading. She used to

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Speaker 1: You know. I guess it's hard to know as a

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about being just nine when you find

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Speaker 1: Were there any questions in your mind when you got

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Obviously I had already had two siblings off to

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Speaker 1: Being the youngest child in the Westbrook family, how they

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Speaker 1: Don't tell you how proud are you of your parents?

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Speaker 1: Sky Westbrook was eleven when her sister never came home.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So I'm studying a double degree in law and arts,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are some of your favorite memories with Aiden?

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Speaker 5: She was amazing at poetry. I remember she was really

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Speaker 5: Well, there was always like there was him and bubbly,

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Speaker 1: How at eleven years old do you make sense of

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Speaker 5: It was hard. I guess there was a massive period

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Speaker 5: of that type of light. So we didn't know what

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Speaker 5: was going on in that sense, because it's like being

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Speaker 5: older now and Mom and Dad had conversations with me

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Speaker 5: and knowing what has happened and it in's case and

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Speaker 5: how awful it really was. It has been a lot

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Speaker 5: to take on. But Mom and Dad really sheltered Donnie

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Speaker 5: and I the best I could, which I've always appreciated,

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Speaker 5: and they did such an amazing job. I've always given

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Speaker 5: them paps in the back that absolutely amazing parients with that.

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Speaker 1: If you had the chance to say something to you

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Speaker 1: mom and Dad right now, what would you say to

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Speaker 1: them about how they helped shape your teenagers?

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Speaker 5: They deserve to win every single Parents Lived the Year award, ever,

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Speaker 5: I think, and it's really really hard to express them

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Speaker 5: words because every single call I have with them, because

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Speaker 5: we're mostly call now that I've moved out, I'm always

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Speaker 5: saying how proud I am of them, and I don't

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Speaker 5: think I could be prouder like the way they have

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Speaker 5: taken on this battle and thought and showed me to

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Speaker 5: stand my ground, you know, like has shaped my whole life.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know what's right because the mom and

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Speaker 5: dad has showed me. And even when like lots of

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Speaker 5: people are saying, you know, something's wrong or that's not

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Speaker 5: the case, or when I'm being done wrong by it,

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Speaker 5: Mom and Dad has showed me how to stand my

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Speaker 5: ground and stand up to what I believe in, which

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Speaker 5: I think is such a powerful thing. And I know, like, no,

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Speaker 5: no shame to anybody else's parents, but I know a

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Speaker 5: lot of the time they try and ground people. But

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Speaker 5: mom and Dad really taught me that, like I am

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Speaker 5: just as worthy as anyone else, and I should and

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Speaker 5: can always stand my ground, and I'm so appreciated them

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Speaker 5: for that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think your relationship would be like with

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Speaker 1: Eden if she was with us today?

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Speaker 5: Oh man, that's a really, really tough question. Eden was

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Speaker 5: a real academic. She was extremely smart, especially for her

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Speaker 5: age as well. She's out in like all her classes.

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Speaker 5: And I like to think of myself like doing a

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Speaker 5: double agree now, Like I'm pretty academic. So I think

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Speaker 5: Ian and I would have really gone along, and I

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Speaker 5: would have loved her because I'm sure she probably would

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Speaker 5: have went to UNI or something like that, and it

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Speaker 5: would have been nice to, you know, ask my older

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Speaker 5: sisters for help with an assignment or with work or

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Speaker 5: with like a concept that I'm not quite understanding. So

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it would probably be something like that, which

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Speaker 5: is hard to think about because that hasn't been the case.

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Speaker 1: What needs to happen here with is with Eden's case.

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Speaker 5: I think people need to take accountability, understand that people

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Speaker 5: do wrong, they make mistakes and when not. Obviously I'm

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Speaker 5: extremely upset about the mistakes that have been made in

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Speaker 5: Eden's case, but that isn't the point. The point is

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Speaker 5: I just want justice for Eden, like in the nicest

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Speaker 5: way possible. I couldn't care less about the actual person

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Speaker 5: who did these wrongs. Like it's not like I'm thinking

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Speaker 5: about them and how much I hate them or something

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Speaker 5: like that. All I want is that it's case to

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Speaker 5: be like closed and done and then we can like

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Speaker 5: grieve like normal people, you know, like because I know

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Speaker 5: lots of these people around the case, lots of it

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Speaker 5: has been very secretive people trying to keep things hidden

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Speaker 5: or under the radar, and it's you want, hopefully when

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Speaker 5: eating gets justice and we know all the people connected

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Speaker 5: and stuff like that I really don't care. All I

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Speaker 5: want is Eaven to get justice and for her case

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Speaker 5: to be solved and clothed and eating to just risk

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Speaker 5: and then we can live and grieve like how we

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Speaker 5: were meant to when a person passes away