Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Happy Sunday.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: happening in the man Cat tonight, including this may just
Speaker 1: seem like some normal TV hosts desk Gurber normal show. Tonight,
Speaker 1: an official ceremony will be performed, which is right now
Speaker 1: that this will now turn into the Table of Knowledge.
Speaker 1: Now you know many a pub has them. Thank god, AI,
Speaker 1: we're quickly able to put this together for us. But
Speaker 1: tonight and on every Sunday night, we're going to do
Speaker 1: a new thing, which is called the Table Knowledge, where
Speaker 1: much bigger brains than mine, much smarter people than I,
Speaker 1: are going to be sitting around here talking about big issues.
Speaker 1: Because clearly, one of the worst possible thought crimes that
Speaker 1: you can commit in modern Australia or the modern West
Speaker 1: is to wonder out loud where sometimes there's a question
Speaker 1: and you'll work out the answer together. So that's the
Speaker 1: plan for Sunday Nights for the next little while. And
Speaker 1: believe me, the two we've got for tonight, they automatically
Speaker 1: qualify and they'll deserve a second hour. Such will be
Speaker 1: their insights. I guarantee your love them in a moment
Speaker 1: or two time. Obviously, we'll discuss all the matters to
Speaker 1: do with the news in and around today, including you know,
Speaker 1: the small news of the beginning potentially of World War
Speaker 1: three in the Middle East, the meeting that the media
Speaker 1: is very excited about between our Prime Minister and the
Speaker 1: United States President, and I want to ask both of them,
Speaker 1: because both of them have got skin in the gaming
Speaker 1: about how knit zero became a purity test for both
Speaker 1: the left and the right. Unless you believe a certain
Speaker 1: view of that, then somehow you're not allowed to be
Speaker 1: in the club. Now, speaking of the club, I love
Speaker 1: being able to go and do ourtowns all over the country,
Speaker 1: and in a couple of weeks time, we're heading back
Speaker 1: to Newcastle in New South Wales. If you would like
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Speaker 1: sunday's time, the twenty ninth of June, please send me
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Speaker 1: got friends and family, but that's only going to be
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Speaker 1: the Sunday after so a couple of weeks away, Sunday,
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Speaker 1: dot Au. And again before I get to big issues,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of big issues apart from
Speaker 1: the table of knowledge discussions, can we start on something
Speaker 1: positive and see where we end up in the next
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. One of the best Australians amongst us is
Speaker 1: Professor Richard Scollier now. Professor Scollier is a man who
Speaker 1: has been absolutely at the front of trying to come
Speaker 1: up with that dream of not just cancer treatment, but
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe finding a way for us to be
Speaker 1: able to get over very significant cancers that take too
Speaker 1: many people for too long. And if you've lost somebody
Speaker 1: of recent days, weeks or years ago to cancer, strength
Speaker 1: and love to you. We always think of them, and
Speaker 1: that's why we turn the light to the people who
Speaker 1: are trying to fix the problem now. He was a
Speaker 1: ordered a couple of years ago as the Australian of
Speaker 1: the Year for his work with his colleagues into this
Speaker 1: exact area and then the journey since has been an
Speaker 1: incredible one. One of the greatest minds fighting cancer ended
Speaker 1: up with cancer. Then as a result of his own
Speaker 1: insight and his own special treatments, we learned that the
Speaker 1: cancer was in remission, which is unbelievable right. And then
Speaker 1: towards the start of this year we heard again that
Speaker 1: Richard Scollier was dealing with another bout of this insidious,
Speaker 1: horrible disease that he has spent his professional life trying
Speaker 1: to defeat, and his personal soul fighting at each and
Speaker 1: every day. Well, this bloke is the reason that I
Speaker 1: want to start the show and start the week by
Speaker 1: talking about him and his internal strength because he, along
Speaker 1: all of this battle is a person who has done
Speaker 1: many a park run, and this week, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that yes he is yet again in the battle for
Speaker 1: his life, he is still showing how full of life
Speaker 1: he is. He has just competed this weekend in his
Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth park Run, which is a goal
Speaker 1: that he set himself after being first diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 1: He made that run yesterday and hundreds of people were
Speaker 1: there to do it with him and to cheer him on.
Speaker 1: This bloke was the Australian the Year a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, but for me, he is the Australian of
Speaker 1: the Year for all time, because never give up, always fight,
Speaker 1: use your talents to help others. And this is what
Speaker 1: he said after that incredible personal feat of strength. To
Speaker 1: be able to run two hundred and fifty park runs.
Speaker 2: Has been a big goal.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I never thought that I'd get there.
Speaker 3: On social media, wasn't posting as much because of some
Speaker 3: of those challenges that I've come out of the bottom
Speaker 3: of that cloud.
Speaker 1: What a special Australian. We love him all the best
Speaker 1: to him, his family and everyone who supports him. And
Speaker 1: if you can one of the many causes, but certainly
Speaker 1: the cancer counsel and all of the work that he
Speaker 1: and his people do. Thank you for what you do
Speaker 1: and thank you for the example that you lead, professor.
Speaker 1: What a spectacular example of life that you send to
Speaker 1: all of us. The idea that you are both inspiration
Speaker 1: and the person who might be able to provide medical
Speaker 1: inspiration to people is just something we should never never, never,
Speaker 1: never take granted, take for granted, and in my view
Speaker 1: it's underlined again the joy that we have being able
Speaker 1: to live on the island continent that is Australia, because yes,
Speaker 1: you have seen the news over the past few days
Speaker 1: of what is a tectonic struggle between Israel it's right
Speaker 1: to exist, Iran, a country it's significant to wealth and
Speaker 1: power that has done all it can to try to
Speaker 1: take down Israel. Israel of course first hit Iran in
Speaker 1: the past couple of days, trying to go after the
Speaker 1: nuclear program. Iran then of course respond with a whole
Speaker 1: series of targeted drones as well. Much has been said
Speaker 1: over this weekend, but I'm not going to toss over
Speaker 1: the hot coals of this. But of course Benjamin Ettanya,
Speaker 1: who who is of course responsible for what is happening
Speaker 1: to both the north and the south and now to
Speaker 1: the east of his country right now, well, he of
Speaker 1: course is standing up for his own nation, and the
Speaker 1: world has been dealing with said consequences, particularly after of
Speaker 1: course the horrific attacks from Hamas in October seven, a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. But forgive me for saying, one
Speaker 1: of the joys of living this far away from many
Speaker 1: of the world's trouble spots is that every now and then,
Speaker 1: while we can have an opinion and a view on
Speaker 1: global issues. Sometimes, just sometimes, Australia does not always need
Speaker 1: to be on the front foot in the global discussion
Speaker 1: about who's right, who's wrong, who we help and who
Speaker 1: we don't, and believe it or not, I agree with
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister when he was quoted saying this this
Speaker 1: weekend about this very situation that put simply, we do
Speaker 1: not play a role.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I know for some people they believe that as part
Speaker 1: of the Community of Nations we play a role. But essentially,
Speaker 1: of course the nation state of Australia is not involved
Speaker 1: in the tectonic struggles that take place in places like
Speaker 1: the Middle East. In fact, here is part of what
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister had to say about this this weekend
Speaker 1: while making his way towards the G seven. Not playing
Speaker 1: a role, and to be honest, that I think is
Speaker 1: where the Australian government's position should be. But there are
Speaker 1: those who believe, as part of the Community of Nations,
Speaker 1: we should speak as loudly about every single issue that
Speaker 1: happens all over the world in real time, because technology
Speaker 1: means we are able to watch things happening on the
Speaker 1: other side of the world in real time, no matter
Speaker 1: how positive, no matter how ghastly they happen to be.
Speaker 1: And a perfect example of that is the Foreign Minister
Speaker 1: Penny Wong. Now there is no doubt about what she believes,
Speaker 1: there is no doubt about how she is clearly no
Speaker 1: fan of the Israeli Prime Minister or the Israeli government.
Speaker 4: We know that.
Speaker 1: But in part, what she has had to say is
Speaker 1: that despite the fact that we are talking about Iran,
Speaker 1: which is an existential threat to Israel, and Israel obviously
Speaker 1: bracing itself for the response to dealing with the threats
Speaker 1: in Iran, she has said, while they have a right
Speaker 1: to self defense, restraint is absolutely needed. Now I always
Speaker 1: find this amazing, the selective moral view that Australia, through
Speaker 1: its government takes when it comes to issues overseas and
Speaker 1: issues particularly involving this part of the world. This is
Speaker 1: what she had to say today, as again the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister says, we're not involved in this right put simply, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: if we have a view, it's a view on the
Speaker 1: but we are not part of this. Okay. We're not helping,
Speaker 1: we're not opposing. It is just another part of the
Speaker 1: world's problem. But then you have the woman who, of
Speaker 1: course in diplomatic circles would be just as comfortable discussing
Speaker 1: redrawing the maps of the world as anyone at the
Speaker 1: United Nations. This is what she had to say, I
Speaker 1: think on taxpayer telling this week, Israel has a right
Speaker 1: to self defense. It does have a right to self defense.
Speaker 5: We urge the escalation, we urge restraint, we urge dialogue
Speaker 5: and diplomacy.
Speaker 1: But the joy of being as far away as we
Speaker 1: are is that we can see with some perspective the
Speaker 1: multiple angles there are on military conflict that does not
Speaker 1: involve US as a nation state, and there is, as
Speaker 1: you can see below, the wars within wars. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: there's sections of the community that will say one side
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent right, one side is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent wrong. There will be those that will say I'm
Speaker 1: not interested at all. And then there are those that,
Speaker 1: of course are paying attention to the people who are
Speaker 1: the chief supporters of one side or the other in
Speaker 1: all of this, which means it's time to talk about
Speaker 1: the United States and it's President Donald Trump. Now, Remember
Speaker 1: one of the things that he's been absolutely clear about
Speaker 1: is that he wants to downscale the world when it
Speaker 1: comes to military conflict. He has said, whether you agree
Speaker 1: with it or not, I happen to agree with it,
Speaker 1: and I happen to believe it's his position, which is
Speaker 1: that he wants peace. He wants all the wars in
Speaker 1: the world to wind up as fast as possible. And
Speaker 1: the reporting late last week was that before the strike
Speaker 1: from Israel to Iran took place, that he did not
Speaker 1: want that to actually take place. In fact, he wrote
Speaker 1: publicly that we are fairly close to an agreement. As
Speaker 1: long as I think there is an agreement, I don't
Speaker 1: want them going in because that would blow up. Referring
Speaker 1: to Israel about Iran might help it actually, but also
Speaker 1: could blow it. And then once the strikes of Israel
Speaker 1: towards Iran and the retaliatory strikes of Iran to Israel
Speaker 1: take place, we then have the scenario of key backers
Speaker 1: of Israel speaking about the president's position. Here that basically
Speaker 1: the Trump administration is now in a position where they
Speaker 1: are saying publicly they're going to back Israel all the
Speaker 1: way on what they previously had said they should show
Speaker 1: caution about, which was whether to take it to the
Speaker 1: hot war level with Iran, said Ator Lindsey Graham applauded
Speaker 1: the Trump administration's handling of the nuclear issue without getting
Speaker 1: people killed. Yeah, we're trying, but sometimes you've got to
Speaker 1: do or what you're going to do, says Donald Trump. Now,
Speaker 1: what is fascinating about all of this is that when
Speaker 1: you look at the coalition that Trump was able to
Speaker 1: put in place, that meant the result of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four election was different than the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 1: And yes, it is some of the source that was
Speaker 1: there in twenty sixteen. And believe it or not, we're
Speaker 1: coming this close to the tenth anniversary of when Donald
Speaker 1: Trump came down that escalator. Won't that be fun for
Speaker 1: all of their heads to explode and the lefty newsrooms
Speaker 1: all around the world. But there are a very significant
Speaker 1: series of people who are really hardcore about say things
Speaker 1: like America First, who believe that America should have learnt
Speaker 1: its lesson by getting involved in things like say the
Speaker 1: Iraq War or the Afghanistan War, which went for the
Speaker 1: best part of twenty years and cost literally trillions of dollars.
Speaker 1: America today is now thirty seven trillion dollars in debt,
Speaker 1: and their view is that America does not need to
Speaker 1: get involved in anything that is not about the defense
Speaker 1: of the United States because they are so far in debt.
Speaker 1: Now again, will there be other countries like China that
Speaker 1: step in with not so subtle diplomacy or mill tension. Yes,
Speaker 1: quite perhaps, but that is part of the America First agenda. Well. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, who of course worked with Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: make him president in twenty sixteen, worked for Donald Trump
Speaker 1: as the president in twenty and seventeen and eighteen. He
Speaker 1: was a massive force about not just denialism in and
Speaker 1: around the twenty twenty election, but also trying to hold
Speaker 1: MAGA together so that when Donald Trump ran again beginning
Speaker 1: in twenty two out of twenty four, that he had
Speaker 1: an unimpeded run towards the Republican nomination, and then that
Speaker 1: everyone did all they could to make sure that he
Speaker 1: was elected president. So take note not of what you
Speaker 1: agree with, but of what some very significant people are
Speaker 1: saying in and around the orbit of the president. And
Speaker 1: no one, and I mean no one gets MAGA like
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon gets MAGA because in many ways he leads
Speaker 1: MAGA on Trump's behalf.
Speaker 6: We don't oppose Israel being Israel first.
Speaker 1: We get it.
Speaker 6: They should be Israel first, but we have to be
Speaker 6: America first. We have to do it right now. This
Speaker 6: Third World War is all encompassing, just like the First
Speaker 6: World War and just like the Second World War, and
Speaker 6: it's playing out in the streets of the United States
Speaker 6: of America.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Again, the way the world has worked since the end
Speaker 1: of World War II is that the United States being
Speaker 1: the leader of free nations, literally having the United Nations
Speaker 1: Building in New York litt alone, being a significant defender
Speaker 1: all the way around the world of freedom and its values.
Speaker 1: It's something that people like Bannon say needs to come
Speaker 1: to an end, not that they should give up on
Speaker 1: their freedom, but the idea that they are the supplementary
Speaker 1: force that defends everything everywhere. Hence why there is the
Speaker 1: endless pressure from magaworld. The countries like Australia, which are
Speaker 1: put simply always had at the heart of the plan.
Speaker 1: But if it really got in trouble in this country,
Speaker 1: that it would be the United States that would be
Speaker 1: coming to back us up, that they would be able
Speaker 1: to tenfold, be able to put on the ground what
Speaker 1: we have here in Australia. So as we contemplate the
Speaker 1: way the world works and how difficult things can be
Speaker 1: on the other side. Never ever, ever lose sight of
Speaker 1: how amazing it is in this country, never lose sight
Speaker 1: of the ability, obviously for us to live in the
Speaker 1: relative peace that we do. Where the biggest complaint in
Speaker 1: our country this weekend's been about how cold it has been.
Speaker 1: We're the only consequence of this potentially huge escalation in
Speaker 1: military conflict between Israel and Iran, Iran and Israel, the
Speaker 1: proxies of Iran, the supporters of Israel, is that we
Speaker 1: are going to feel some pain from this. But the
Speaker 1: pain is most likely not going to be in blood
Speaker 1: and treasure. It is instead going to be an increase
Speaker 1: in things like petrol prices. Shannelova, speaking to the ABC
Speaker 1: as the AMP chief economist, said that if oil prices
Speaker 1: are sustained at these higher levels, there could be a
Speaker 1: flow on of about twelve cents a liter when it
Speaker 1: comes to Australian petrol stations. Of course, petrol, if it
Speaker 1: continues to go up, we'll feed into inflation. If inflation
Speaker 1: starts to go back up and we go above the
Speaker 1: three percent, then are we going to see interest rates?
Speaker 1: Definitely not be dropped, but maybe go higher. Well, that
Speaker 1: is one of the consequences that is apparently one of
Speaker 1: the justifications as opposed to the poor economic management of
Speaker 1: the government that's freshly been re elected as to why
Speaker 1: interest rates were as high as they were for as
Speaker 1: long as they had been. When Russia invaded Ukraine in
Speaker 1: early twenty twenty two, the Ensuring War disrupted global oil
Speaker 1: and energy supplies in a major way, but economists say
Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank will likely look through any near term
Speaker 1: boost to inflation that comes from higher petrol prices as
Speaker 1: a result of the conflict, but they say that would
Speaker 1: change if the conflict escalated so got bigger than where
Speaker 1: we are right now, or went for longer than a
Speaker 1: couple of days of here or there. So pay attention,
Speaker 1: but enjoy the relative peace and in my view, follow
Speaker 1: where the Prime Minister has been, which is, while we
Speaker 1: can all have an opinion, thankfully Australia not involved in
Speaker 1: the fight, doesn't mean we don't care, doesn't mean we
Speaker 1: don't have a preferred outcome. But I think a step
Speaker 1: back is a better place for Australia to be. But
Speaker 1: that's just me.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: The media that is focused in and around Australian politics.
Speaker 1: Is kind of bored about talking about Australian politics. Why
Speaker 1: because they like the government they've got. They had no
Speaker 1: interest in changing them, let alone calling out anything they've
Speaker 1: ever done wrong. Instead, there is one name that, as
Speaker 1: we know, during the election campaign and many many months
Speaker 1: before and the many many months to come, they are
Speaker 1: more obsessed with than anyone in Australian politics. First to
Speaker 1: the US where Donald Trump is Donald Trump. President Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's with Donald Trump and get ready because there is
Speaker 1: about to be a meeting of the Australian Prime Minister
Speaker 1: Anthony Aberinzi and the US President Donald Trump. Andrew Colnell,
Speaker 1: who is traveling with the Australian Prime Minister, can explain
Speaker 1: exactly the where and when of this meeting.
Speaker 7: The first bilateral meeting between the pair will occur in Kananascus, Canada,
Speaker 7: early Wednesday Australian time. The PM said he would emphasize
Speaker 7: to President Trump the strength of the Orcus Agreement and
Speaker 7: the fact marines are stationed in the Northern Territory. He
Speaker 7: would also talk up free and fair trade.
Speaker 1: But can I also turn down the expectations and turn
Speaker 1: down the temperature on what some figures in the media
Speaker 1: are referring to as the most important meeting of Anthony
Speaker 1: Abanzi's prime ministerial career. Now, yes, there'll be plenty of
Speaker 1: people that will be trying to read into the body
Speaker 1: language of do they like each other? Do they not
Speaker 1: like each other? Did the biggest star in the political
Speaker 1: world embrace or reject Donald Trump? But literally, this is
Speaker 1: one of the headlines this weekend, right, which is the
Speaker 1: most important meeting of Albanese's career, just got trickier. Now,
Speaker 1: in part all of that is because of what I
Speaker 1: mentioned before that the United States or a magafaction inside
Speaker 1: the government of the United States, believe that Australia should
Speaker 1: be spending more of our money to make sure that
Speaker 1: we can defend ourselves so that America doesn't do all
Speaker 1: of the heavy lifting should Australia ever have to defend itself.
Speaker 1: And you've seen lots of stories over the part of
Speaker 1: all while like Australia when it comes to defense spending
Speaker 1: is sort of falling behind the eight ball. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: we're not going to spend as much as America or China,
Speaker 1: but we're ranked fifteenth in the world. The federal government
Speaker 1: says no, no, we're paying enough already. Firstly, there's the hundreds
Speaker 1: of billions of dollars orchestral when it comes to submarines
Speaker 1: and they're putting money on the table. Remember it was
Speaker 1: just this year where the first of the payments eight
Speaker 1: hundred million Australian dollars which is five hundred million American
Speaker 1: dollars was put in place. But a fascinating question that
Speaker 1: we will discuss tonight and one that we will have
Speaker 1: to think about into the future here is that have
Speaker 1: we bet on the wrong technology when it comes to submarines.
Speaker 1: I don't have a view, but one thing that is
Speaker 1: absolutely clear is that Australia needs to up its game
Speaker 1: when it comes to drones because as we saw with
Speaker 1: Ukraine and it's hit inside Russia the video you can
Speaker 1: see on Telly right now, or when it comes to
Speaker 1: the response and the playout that's happening between Israel and Iran,
Speaker 1: and Iran and Israel, drones and the militarization of drones
Speaker 1: seems to be going up and up and upper gear.
Speaker 1: Why because, apart from anything else, they're quite small. If
Speaker 1: you swarm we'd say dozens or hundreds of them at once,
Speaker 1: it's very hard for them to be knocked out of
Speaker 1: the sky. But that's part of the conversation, right But instead,
Speaker 1: you know, all the news is just going to be
Speaker 1: Trump looked this way, looked disinterested, was happy. Kevin Rudd
Speaker 1: has been reaffirmed as the ambassador, the great Ambassador of
Speaker 1: the United States, because they had this many you know,
Speaker 1: all the garbage, it's going to happen. But bear with
Speaker 1: me while I make a little point here. Australia's defense
Speaker 1: absolute paramount. Australia's need to have the best possible defense
Speaker 1: absolutely clear. No if no, but no maybe. But I
Speaker 1: am going to introduce a dot dot dot. I think
Speaker 1: it is hard to convince Australians we need to spend
Speaker 1: more money on our defense because when we spend so
Speaker 1: much money in tax there are really little examples of
Speaker 1: the bigger issue, which does government actually work for all
Speaker 1: of us, no matter how much we have to work
Speaker 1: for the government? Perfect example. It's a serious story, but
Speaker 1: it's one that had a bit of a funny twist
Speaker 1: to it. This weekend, the number of potholes in and
Speaker 1: around Victoria's terrible regional rowan network. Great stuff being done
Speaker 1: by the Sunday Herald Sun and the Herald Sun more
Speaker 1: generally to go off and have a look at some
Speaker 1: of these crappy roads. But as I said, think about this,
Speaker 1: while people are driving on roads like this, how willing
Speaker 1: are there for their government to spend billions of dollars
Speaker 1: more on the defense of our country.
Speaker 8: Main road Tallrook.
Speaker 2: These ones over here have the potential to make tires
Speaker 2: border than my father.
Speaker 5: About an hour out of Melbourne up north, this one
Speaker 5: has all the makings of a fatal collision.
Speaker 7: A busy three way intersection.
Speaker 1: Constant heavy truck movements and bone rattling corrugations.
Speaker 8: But don't swerve, there's a blind corner up ahead.
Speaker 1: And the funny take on all of this is that
Speaker 1: some people to make the point about how many potholes
Speaker 1: there are in Victorian regional roads, obviously it was a
Speaker 1: setup for cameras and fine, fair enough, it's a good
Speaker 1: funny point. Is that some people, well a bloke who's
Speaker 1: decided to throw a bunch of ice in one of
Speaker 1: these holes because they're so deep and turn them into
Speaker 1: and eski. Now, for obvious reasons, it's not how people
Speaker 1: are actually spending their Friday nights, but it makes a
Speaker 1: good point right that these roads are so crappy that
Speaker 1: and they're so deep these potholes, and he had damage
Speaker 1: to his car at least eight hundred bucks. That this
Speaker 1: is a way to make the point about the crappy potholes.
Speaker 1: And again this might seem strange that I am talking
Speaker 1: about potholes in Victoria defense with the United States, but
Speaker 1: this is where Australia is in terms of our defense
Speaker 1: priorities and the ability for it to be an election
Speaker 1: issue for people to understand that we need to invest
Speaker 1: in our defense. Is that it's difficult to take them
Speaker 1: on that journey when the basics, like a whole at
Speaker 1: the end of the road is not being fixed. Because
Speaker 1: we all know we're not one of those countries where
Speaker 1: the people go poor but the military gets billions and
Speaker 1: billions and billions. We're not that sort of country, right,
Speaker 1: Hence why we should not be the type of country
Speaker 1: that can't do some of the basics but is necessarily
Speaker 1: having to step up when it comes to the world
Speaker 1: stage and defense. Again, that funny bloke when it came
Speaker 1: to the eski.
Speaker 3: Our potlol around here is so bad and we start
Speaker 3: using them as an eski ivan out here what you
Speaker 3: see on TV on out back truckers. You know, potholes everywhere,
Speaker 3: corrugations everywhere.
Speaker 1: Cheers. Now, before we crack open, the Table of Knowledge
Speaker 1: had an official ceremony a bit earlier today, looking forward
Speaker 1: to this. Remember last weekend, sorry, towards the end of
Speaker 1: last week, we're talking about that horrible plane crash in India. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously this story is distressing and the images are distressing
Speaker 1: as well. So if you are disturbed by those images,
Speaker 1: time to quickly look away where you know that this
Speaker 1: was a plane crash which killed a couple hundred people.
Speaker 1: But then there was this weird story that happened where
Speaker 1: one bloke survived. The bloke from eleven A literally survived
Speaker 1: the plane crash, and like you, I've been asking the
Speaker 1: same question, how the hell did that happen. There's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of former pilots, including some you'll see on
Speaker 1: this network. But then there are also some other great
Speaker 1: ones are out there on YouTube. This is one from
Speaker 1: America and he sort of explains why I seed eleven
Speaker 1: A may well have survived when everyone else didn't.
Speaker 9: He's been confirmed it wasn't a hoax. He was in
Speaker 9: seat eleven a. He was right by an emergency exit
Speaker 9: a few rows in front of the spar of the
Speaker 9: wing of the aircraft. I think that spar saved his
Speaker 9: life because that's the strongest, heaviest part of the airplane.
Speaker 9: That's probably what took the impact when they hit those buildings.
Speaker 9: He was in his seat, he didn't go unconscious. He
Speaker 9: gets out of he opens up the door and he
Speaker 9: jumps out of the airplane, right, and he's literally walking
Speaker 9: to the hospital after that. They've talked to him and
Speaker 9: he said, just prior to the crash, he heard a
Speaker 9: loud bang and the lights flickered on the inside of
Speaker 9: the airplane.
Speaker 4: Unbelievable. Right.
Speaker 1: He goes on to explain in that VD, I want
Speaker 1: try on Thawn captain save in the next few days. Right,
Speaker 1: Which is is that that flickering of the lots is
Speaker 1: a sawn off. The particular pot of the aircraft that
Speaker 1: might will have on the filed would certainly have plied
Speaker 1: a role in the fact that one person survived doesn't
Speaker 1: change anything to do with the tragedy. But it's always
Speaker 1: amazing how often the news moves on, and certainly in
Speaker 1: times where war is declared and all the rest of it,
Speaker 1: but I thought you may have asked the same question
Speaker 1: much of this weekend, so I did my best to
Speaker 1: work it out. If Captain Steve is right or not,
Speaker 1: it is a phenomenal story. Quick break back with more
Speaker 1: the Table of Knowledge and two incredibly big brain wonderful
Speaker 1: blokes will join us in the man Cave to talk
Speaker 1: about big issues and wonder out loud dangerous TV ahead
Speaker 1: people adults only, of course. A little bit of news
Speaker 1: that was around today. Twenty billion dollar deal Amazon. Yes,
Speaker 1: the people who produce an awful lot of things. Their
Speaker 1: real business is that they have a lot of the
Speaker 1: back end for the Internet. Twenty billion dollars worth of the
Speaker 1: data centers coming to Australia. Yay. How many jobs? Not many?
Speaker 1: What will anyone have to do? Not much? How will
Speaker 1: it be powered? Wind mills? Wind mills and solar panels
Speaker 1: are apparently how Australia is going to keep the Internet online.
Speaker 1: Twenty billion dollars is part of what is happening there, suck. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Table of Knowledge and joining us
Speaker 1: right now, two big brain blokes. One used to be
Speaker 1: the Deputy Prime Minister of the country. You can see
Speaker 1: him in lots of different places. The wonderful John Anderson
Speaker 1: the Bloker, used to run the Australian Financial Reviews. Michael
Speaker 1: Stutchbury he also has the best sideburns in Australian media,
Speaker 1: but he's on his way towards the center of independent studies. Lads,
Speaker 1: let's do something really dangerous and wonder out loud. Talk
Speaker 1: about some stuff that's not bite size, not bumper sticker,
Speaker 1: and not stuff that the left will be all that
Speaker 1: interested in watching. But everyone watching is a free thinking adult,
Speaker 1: So let's get into some big questions including I mentioned
Speaker 1: this a couple of moments ago, which was about how
Speaker 1: Australians make sense of what's happening right now between Israel
Speaker 1: and Iran. Right to put this in very simple terms.
Speaker 1: For a certain series of people, it's about good guys
Speaker 1: and bad guys. For a whole series of people, it's
Speaker 1: about who was wrong first, who was all of this right?
Speaker 1: And we all know that once you start pulling at
Speaker 1: any one of those threads, we're here for the next
Speaker 1: five hours. But what I was trying to say about, say,
Speaker 1: Australia and defense spending, when there's a pothole, it's not fixed,
Speaker 1: you know, good luck trying to convince me we need
Speaker 1: to spend more money on this, that and the other.
Speaker 1: But from both of your perspectives, I know people care.
Speaker 1: It's not a question about whether they care or not.
Speaker 1: But how do they make sense of the next few days?
Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest, I cannot believe my ten year
Speaker 1: old daughter ask me today is World War three starting?
Speaker 1: It's gone first?
Speaker 5: Well, I was in for this one. Maybe I was
Speaker 5: in Israel for a week just three weeks ago. Yes,
Speaker 5: of course, and it's always a fascinating of second time,
Speaker 5: since twenty thirteen, it's always a fascinating thing to do.
Speaker 4: I think the really thing.
Speaker 5: That stood out to me from being there for a
Speaker 5: week was that, after October seven, twenty twenty three, when,
Speaker 5: of course the Harmus attack over the border, twelve hundred
Speaker 5: Israelis basically murdered in cold blood and two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty taken hostage. That was a real moment for Israel
Speaker 5: of national obvis catastrophe in christis one of the major
Speaker 5: security breaches that ever in Israeli history. Since the State
Speaker 5: of Israel's formed in nineteen forty eight. Things happened since
Speaker 5: then is that Israel has got immeasurably militarily stronger a
Speaker 5: number of things. Hezbela and all these Humas is of
Speaker 5: course an Iranian proxy. Iranian Iran People's Republic of Iran
Speaker 5: is really orchestrating a lot of this. And Hamas is
Speaker 5: the terrorist proxy in Gaza taking Israel over the northern border.
Speaker 5: Hesbela over in Syria and then in Lebanon have been attacking.
Speaker 5: And the whole idea of that Hesbela was supposed to
Speaker 5: rain down bob terror on Israel, which would wipe it
Speaker 5: off the earth. Those pages and the exploding pages and
Speaker 5: the mobile phones. That's took out incredible sort of modern warfare,
Speaker 5: if you like, took out Hezbola. Then Iran attacked Israel
Speaker 5: sent earlier sort of in twenty three twenty four set
Speaker 5: of bombs into Israel. Israel responded and took out Iran's defenses,
Speaker 5: its air defenses, so I became defenseless. And so as
Speaker 5: a result of this, all of Israel's enemies were really
Speaker 5: in the region, were on the back foot. And the
Speaker 5: question there just three weeks ago was should Israel then
Speaker 5: take advantage of this great opportunity, historical opportunity with Iran weakened,
Speaker 5: its proxies, weakened, ran it on the back foot to
Speaker 5: take out its nuclear weapons facility because it's threatening to
Speaker 5: build a nuclear bomb and it's also vowing to wipe
Speaker 5: Israel off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: Isn't it also a scenario where because essentially American presidents
Speaker 1: everyone said, oh, look, just you the last thing we
Speaker 1: wants to write Iran versus Israel, Right, this is point
Speaker 1: in a return. They've got bigger guns than some of that.
Speaker 1: But the reality was they exposed that Hesbella was not
Speaker 1: going to was not able to wipe them off the map.
Speaker 1: And now it's been I think it's obvious in its
Speaker 1: early days that the expectation that if there's ever a
Speaker 1: shot between the two, then Iran gos nuts and there
Speaker 1: could be countries blown away. And yes, that all could
Speaker 1: still be in its future. But is that a way
Speaker 1: of trying to explain it to people too, which is
Speaker 1: that it's finally enough talk and threat, let's actually see
Speaker 1: what the threat is.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little more basic than that.
Speaker 8: The first responsibility of any sovereign government worth its salt,
Speaker 8: including our own, is the defense and security of its
Speaker 8: own people.
Speaker 4: It's no use.
Speaker 8: Having a strong economy, or a fair economy, or a
Speaker 8: just economy, or an economy that's trying to take advantage
Speaker 8: of a new opportunity.
Speaker 4: If you don't have an economy, if you don't have
Speaker 4: a societ.
Speaker 8: That's the first That's what the Commonwealth of Australia was
Speaker 8: set up for. Picture it from the Israeli perspective. You've
Speaker 8: got a neighbor, and it's not just her.
Speaker 4: Mass that have been doing their dirty work. It's Hezbollah.
Speaker 8: It's been the Hearthys, a neighbor that's so intent and
Speaker 8: so open about his intention to wipe you off the
Speaker 8: face of the earth. Oh no, we don't want to
Speaker 8: stop Jews living there. We just want them to live
Speaker 8: under a gazen state. Well, you want a white mart
Speaker 8: you want to destroy their democracy.
Speaker 4: It's a democracy that should matter for a start.
Speaker 8: You want them instead of living in a highly sophisticated
Speaker 8: cultural environment like the Israelis. Do you want to live
Speaker 8: like garzens do? That's the choice you want to impose
Speaker 8: on them.
Speaker 4: It was entirely.
Speaker 8: Predictable that it would come to this, in my view,
Speaker 8: and it's deeply illustrative that other nations in the region
Speaker 8: are not exactly rushing to Iran's defense. Why they don't
Speaker 8: want them to have nuclear arms either. That'll start an
Speaker 8: eye nuclear arms.
Speaker 4: Race in the region. The Israelis.
Speaker 8: Need, we need to recognize that what has happened in
Speaker 8: Gaza in the end is the responsibility of Hamas a
Speaker 8: muss are, the responsibility of Iran. Iran is under attack
Speaker 8: now it's its own fault because they said they would
Speaker 8: obliterate a neighbor, a democracy one we ought to believe in.
Speaker 8: We have many wonderful Jewish citizens in Australia. I think
Speaker 8: we're not thinking clearly and I think we've lost our
Speaker 8: moral compass on a lot of us. None of us
Speaker 8: want war, but sometimes you need to take decisive action
Speaker 8: to try and ensure the safety of many more of us.
Speaker 1: So this brings me to where the Prime Minister is
Speaker 1: today and whether it's a cop out position, but I
Speaker 1: like it being somewhat turned down, which is the idea
Speaker 1: of Australia's not involved, right where this is not our fight. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: we have a worldview all of those, but this is
Speaker 1: not our fight. Then Pennywong straight away, within a couple
Speaker 1: of hours is out there telling Israel basically to turn
Speaker 1: it down right, yes, technically Iran as well, but we
Speaker 1: all know what's what she's really saying. Which of those
Speaker 1: positions is the better one? The Prime Minister's position, which
Speaker 1: is Okay, we get it, it's going on, but it's
Speaker 1: it's not our fight, or Penny wants. Well.
Speaker 5: Where this could go is when you start a big
Speaker 5: shooting match like this, there's no doubt that it could
Speaker 5: go very very bad. You know, we're talking about nuclear,
Speaker 5: nuclear war and.
Speaker 1: Things could it could go back.
Speaker 5: But as John says, this is an opportunity also to
Speaker 5: stop that from happening. And the grand thing that could
Speaker 5: happen out of all of this is because, as John says,
Speaker 5: the Saudis, which is the other big power in the region,
Speaker 5: they don't want the Sunni, they don't want the sheer
Speaker 5: Iranians to have nuclear weapons. They don't like all the
Speaker 5: hamas and the terrorism. They want to build more of
Speaker 5: a modern state and gone from fundamentalism really to nationalism
Speaker 5: the Saudis, so they are more than the sort of
Speaker 5: you know, they'll they'll object to what the Israelis are doing,
Speaker 5: but they won't raise up arms against it, and they
Speaker 5: will want they don't want the thing to blow up
Speaker 5: and to escalate. But more than that, before the is
Speaker 5: for the Iranians to be put in their place, perhaps
Speaker 5: the regime to fall, because you know there's sanctions, inflations
Speaker 5: high there, the economies in trouble. Is the regime going
Speaker 5: to totter and you could have that, you get the
Speaker 5: Saudis are leading what is an accommodation with Israel, and
Speaker 5: you could get a big piece brought to it.
Speaker 1: Now that's the thing.
Speaker 5: That's trying to push to which was why Hamas attacked
Speaker 5: Israel in the first place, which was to stop the
Speaker 5: Saudis striking a deal with Israel.
Speaker 4: At the behest of the Auranians.
Speaker 1: Yes, great, but also partly funded by the Qataris. And
Speaker 1: there's sort of this strange moment where the Qataris and
Speaker 1: their funding of what's been going on. But then they're
Speaker 1: on beyond speaking terms with the American President in terms
Speaker 1: of he's a plane all the rest of it, right
Speaker 1: about who who being held accountable for that or not,
Speaker 1: Which brings me to the Prime minister meeting with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump tomorrow. You've already seen it in parts of the media.
Speaker 1: The biggest meeting in the history of Anthony Iberaneese's life.
Speaker 1: Look doesn't matter, sure, but we know there's going to
Speaker 1: be more analysis about the body language than the actual detail.
Speaker 1: And also, let's be honest, this is a side meeting
Speaker 1: off a meeting. This is not let's sit down in
Speaker 1: the White House for a day and a half and
Speaker 1: work stuff out. This is very much okay, where mates, fine,
Speaker 1: fair enough, But as part of that conversation is this
Speaker 1: push from the Trump administration for us to spend more
Speaker 1: money on defense. What expectation of anything do you have
Speaker 1: out of this meeting or is it just politeness amongst friends?
Speaker 8: Ah? Look, I think I hope the Prime Minister, for
Speaker 8: the sake of all Australians, strikes a reasonable rapport with
Speaker 8: the President. I'm not underestimating the difficulties of that, I
Speaker 8: need hardly spell them out. But in the sovereign interests
Speaker 8: of this country about which all three of us and
Speaker 8: all of our listeners care passionately, these are very dangerous
Speaker 8: times and I think the Prime Minister and his government
Speaker 8: have got themselves in the most dreadful bind on defense.
Speaker 8: Everyone including their own elder statesman, are saying these are
Speaker 8: dangerous times.
Speaker 4: You've got to do more.
Speaker 8: Miles himself has acknowledged that there's aucust, submarines anecostas zero
Speaker 8: point seven percent of GDP and they're basically say no,
Speaker 8: we can fund the defense in a two percent envelope.
Speaker 8: So you take Orcus out point seven you've reduced defense
Speaker 8: expenditure in the short term on the things we need
Speaker 8: now down to about one point three percent. That's the
Speaker 8: rough mass. I'll challenge anybody to put them up. The
Speaker 8: Prime Minister said recently, we've increased what's asked me talking
Speaker 8: about what are all these critics talking about.
Speaker 2: Ten billion without telling the Australian people that they've re
Speaker 2: scoped eighty two billion out of short term capability against
Speaker 2: Orcus in the twenty thirties. Why do we expect our friends,
Speaker 2: let alone our possible opponent. It's to take us seriously
Speaker 2: when apparently we don't. And I would ask this question
Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister, and it's a really serious one
Speaker 2: from somebody who has once in politics, What do you
Speaker 2: think your legacy's going to be if something goes wrong?
Speaker 2: We may not be involved, but say something breaks out
Speaker 2: in the North and we say, oh no. As you know,
Speaker 2: obviously he's information, we're not involved, We wash our hands,
Speaker 2: there's nothing to do with us.
Speaker 8: And the Chinese just happened to say, oh, well, we'll
Speaker 8: just drop a missile or two on Williamtown. Maybe we'll
Speaker 8: drop one into Candra to show that we can do.
Speaker 8: We have not no defense, no drums, We've got no
Speaker 8: missile defense.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about?
Speaker 8: What sort of planet are we living on? And I
Speaker 8: just say again to the Prime Minister, why not listen
Speaker 8: to the genuinely respected last senior defense statesman that you had,
Speaker 8: Kim Beasley. And by the way, this nonsense one thing
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister has got right. It's a nonsense to
Speaker 8: say it's got to be three percent or three and
Speaker 8: a half or four or five or two ascertain as
Speaker 8: he says, what we need now?
Speaker 4: What do we need now? And then work out how
Speaker 4: are you going to pay for it. It's obvious we
Speaker 4: need drones.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's obvious.
Speaker 8: We need missile defense, air towhear surface to air. It's
Speaker 8: obvious we need all of our few navy ships going
Speaker 8: while we're trying to mothball them. It's obvious we have
Speaker 8: a recruitment shortage and a retention problem. How about we
Speaker 8: level with the Australian people. We say these are the
Speaker 8: most dangerous time since the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 4: But we're not walking the talk.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. We've got plenty more to get to it.
Speaker 1: We'll do it in a moment. We'll take a quick break.
Speaker 1: You'll be first cup off the rank. Next of course, Michael,
Speaker 1: where we will discuss, among other things, how net zero
Speaker 1: has become a purity test for both the left and
Speaker 1: the right. And in my view, once you said a
Speaker 1: purity test, nobody can pass it on. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching the Center for Independent Studies. It's where
Speaker 1: Michael Stutchbury is about to begin after his time at
Speaker 1: the Financial Review and John Anderson former Deputy Prime Minister
Speaker 1: John Anderson dot net dot au or find him on
Speaker 1: YouTube or podcasts. I love listening to each and everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, when sometimes you mightn't be across it, but
Speaker 1: you feel smarter by the end of it. That's when
Speaker 1: you hang out and have a listen to what John
Speaker 1: has to say and the people he talks to. So
Speaker 1: obviously I'm a person of the center right, most people
Speaker 1: watching would be similarly of such and obviously that's where
Speaker 1: the man Cave is built. But I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: a tough question that might be uncomfortable for even me
Speaker 1: to here, and Michael, I'll start with you. Has identity
Speaker 1: politics made it virtually impossible for the right to win
Speaker 1: an election in Australia. I say this because perfect example,
Speaker 1: right Chinese Australian voters right voted Coalition in ten thirteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen nineteen. There was the problems in and around in
Speaker 1: and around Wuhan and all the rest of it. A
Speaker 1: lot of the local media that helps inform part of
Speaker 1: that population washed back through Beijing. Surprise surprise, big change.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: How many seats gone? How many seats not coming back?
Speaker 1: People who identify themselves? You know, certainly one thing that
Speaker 1: twenty eight or thirty seats that they lost between twenty
Speaker 1: two to twenty five the electoral role. Literally, those were
Speaker 1: places where women outnumbered men. In Dutton's seat alone, there
Speaker 1: was nine thousand more people under the age of fifty
Speaker 1: than over the age of fifty. Surprise, surprise, he didn't
Speaker 1: win his seat. That's my way into the question, is
Speaker 1: it just has identity politics and our absolute embracing of
Speaker 1: it made it pretty tough for the right.
Speaker 5: To win well, politics used to be about capital v.
Speaker 5: Labor for over one hundred years the left and right,
Speaker 5: a Labor party and a Liberal Party are representing a
Speaker 5: business and the professions and so forth. And now it's
Speaker 5: turned from capital v labor into cultural identity. And so
Speaker 5: it is a bit tribal. One tribe there, another tribe there.
Speaker 5: They sort of need each other.
Speaker 1: In a way.
Speaker 5: I think what the Liberal Party needs to do is
Speaker 5: they lost their way a bit in this and get
Speaker 5: back to what the great bulk of Australias want. And
Speaker 5: the great bog of Australians want a healthy economy. They
Speaker 5: want they want good jobs, well paying jobs. They want
Speaker 5: a budget that performs well on economy that's just performing
Speaker 5: well because they want to bring up their families and
Speaker 5: they want these things. So the Liberal Party should be
Speaker 5: the party, for example, of lower taxes, and they went
Speaker 5: to the election somehow getting in a position where they
Speaker 5: it became the party of higher taxes. So I think
Speaker 5: you've got to say, well, we're the party of lower taxes,
Speaker 5: smaller government, getting the economy going. Now, if you take
Speaker 5: the Canadian situation, where of course you had a center right,
Speaker 5: a center left government, the Trudeau government in there, was
Speaker 5: really going nowhere. Trudeau resigned, Mark Carney came in. Trump
Speaker 5: started a mind to make Canada the first state, and
Speaker 5: so it produced that whole anti which put the kept
Speaker 5: the center left party in the office. But amongst young
Speaker 5: people still Pollier the Polier the opposition leader. They have
Speaker 5: been have been banging on for several years about housing
Speaker 5: and about housing costs and about how restrictions on the
Speaker 5: supply of housing were pushing up housing and making it
Speaker 5: unaffordable for young people, and amongst the youth vote like
Speaker 5: eighteen to like early thirties, he still won the youth
Speaker 5: vote in Canada, even though overall Carni won sort of narrowly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's a good point, So I think, Yeah, so I think,
Speaker 5: you know, if you focus on, you know, what do
Speaker 5: really people want in their lives and how if you've
Speaker 5: got the confidence in your own position that yes, you know,
Speaker 5: a smaller government, lower taxes, a market economy is the
Speaker 5: best way to do that, this is good, then that
Speaker 5: sort of leads you to sort of the sort of
Speaker 5: policies you should be putting before the people.
Speaker 1: John. What I like about this question is I want
Speaker 1: this to be like a leaf blower, just pushing all
Speaker 1: of the dirt out because maybe I've just read too
Speaker 1: much listened to too many people trying to say that, oh,
Speaker 1: this one's done forever and this is why. But same question.
Speaker 1: The embracing of identity politics doesn't make it difficult for
Speaker 1: the right to correct.
Speaker 8: It makes it very much more difficult. You've got to
Speaker 8: remember it makes it difficult for the Labor Party as well.
Speaker 8: You've got to remember that if you count those who
Speaker 8: didn't vote at all, we now have a Prime Minister
Speaker 8: with a record number of seats in the House of Representatives,
Speaker 8: with less than one in three Australians having selected him
Speaker 8: and his government. You know, you look at the raw
Speaker 8: maths of it. A preferential voting has had a lot
Speaker 8: to do with this. I think I'd make two comments
Speaker 8: because I'm on a Unity ticket with the very interesting
Speaker 8: things that you said, particularly about Canada.
Speaker 4: So that's leadership.
Speaker 8: I think Australian people crying out for leadership. I think
Speaker 8: they will respond very quickly when they realize that it
Speaker 8: is incredibly serious.
Speaker 4: It is really serious.
Speaker 8: I'm not a person that wants to talk Australia down,
Speaker 8: just the opposite. I want my kids, my grandkids have
Speaker 8: the opportunities of freedoms. You know, the prosperity that I enjoyed,
Speaker 8: That's not going to happen with the current policies. We
Speaker 8: have the fastest collapsing living standards in the OECD, the
Speaker 8: rich Man's Club. We've been in per capita negative growth
Speaker 8: for I don't know how long.
Speaker 4: Productivity is slipping.
Speaker 8: We are in grave danger and an age of big
Speaker 8: power rivalry, and we're not doing any about us. We
Speaker 8: talked about a moment ago if we don't have leadership
Speaker 8: shortly that clearly articulates what needs to be done. Housing
Speaker 8: is one of them here as well so as education,
Speaker 8: but running the economy, security, ending the intergenerational theft, which is.
Speaker 4: Just reached immoral levels. What we're doing to our children.
Speaker 8: You know, we can't live within our means, so we'll
Speaker 8: make our children born and unborn pay, loading them up
Speaker 8: with debt before they see the opportunity to have any
Speaker 8: say in it at all. I think the key is leadership,
Speaker 8: and I think Australians are crying out for effective leadership.
Speaker 1: Run Run.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, it may take a further nasty jolt, and I'll
Speaker 8: make a prediction that they could well I'm not a prediction,
Speaker 8: but you can see the very real possibility of something
Speaker 8: nasty happening to our north, which could be more than
Speaker 8: a nasty child, and we need to be recognizing something else.
Speaker 8: The bond markets are getting jittery in Japan and in America.
Speaker 8: They forced Trump to back down.
Speaker 4: In the end, they will have the say.
Speaker 8: If somebody doesn't take control of the economic levers soon
Speaker 8: there will be a very nasty shock, and this time
Speaker 8: we won't be able to buy ourselves out of trouble
Speaker 8: on our children's bank. Crard, good stuff.
Speaker 1: Thank you, lads. I wish we had another hour a last.
Speaker 1: We do not, but I look forward to a chatting
Speaker 1: in anytime you're around our one. Thank you boys, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Break back with more the table of
Speaker 1: knowledge of Sunday night, but we'll just sit around have
Speaker 1: a little adult conversation. More in a second. Australia's o
Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre is on his way to fingers crossed another
Speaker 1: great result in Formula one there in Canada this weekend.
Speaker 1: The race will happen while you are asleep. He will
Speaker 1: find out the highlights tomorrow on Fox Sports News, or
Speaker 1: of course with Peter Stefanovigan first edition. He will start
Speaker 1: third on the grid, George Russell is on pole Verstappen
Speaker 1: the man in between.
Speaker 10: It was a nice turnaround. You know, there's always the
Speaker 10: question do you want a medium or do you want
Speaker 10: to solft for Q three, and we went with a
Speaker 10: soft because we're having a lot of problems and we
Speaker 10: just wanted to keep things consistent. So I'm pretty happy
Speaker 10: with third, which is a bit different this year, but
Speaker 10: I'll definitely take it out.
Speaker 1: Are you the type of person who knows your neighbors
Speaker 1: not just doc get a gregor like, do you actually
Speaker 1: know your neighbors? There might have been a time when
Speaker 1: you used to have street parties. Personally, not my bag,
Speaker 1: but still a lot of people used to know their neighbors. Well,
Speaker 1: it won't surprise you that there's more evidence that people
Speaker 1: are not knowing their neighbors the way that they used to.
Speaker 1: In fact, interestingly, the top six reasons why Australians have
Speaker 1: judged their neighbors noise, keeping their joint clean, vehicles that
Speaker 1: are all over the shop, or pets. Amazingly, seventeen per cent
Speaker 1: of people apparently have an issue with the lifestyle choices
Speaker 1: or habits of their neighbors. But that's not the reason
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this. There was a great piece that
Speaker 1: was written in the Courier marl an opinion thing that
Speaker 1: followed on from all of this, and it was based
Speaker 1: off the findings that were a story from real estate
Speaker 1: dot Com that I you that nearly three quarters of
Speaker 1: Australians feel that they don't know their neighbors anymore, many
Speaker 1: avoiding saying even hello. One of the biggest discoveries from
Speaker 1: the report into this was seventy two percent of people
Speaker 1: nationwide field Australians are less interested in knowing their neighbors
Speaker 1: compared to twenty years ago. Meanwhile, has this a whopping
Speaker 1: sixty two percent of Ozzies have admitted that they lived
Speaker 1: next to someone for more than six months without ever
Speaker 1: meeting them. Among gen Z or gen Y wh to
Speaker 1: course of Millennials, that number is between seventy and seventy
Speaker 1: one percent, respectively. The study also shows that a generation
Speaker 1: gap is there because while nearly nine in ten Aussies
Speaker 1: greet their neighbors regularly, only thirty percent of gen Z
Speaker 1: knowledge their neighbors when they're passing by, compared to seventy
Speaker 1: three percent of boomers. Baby boomers are also twice as
Speaker 1: likely as gen Z to know all of their neighbors
Speaker 1: at thirty six of us eighteen percent. So if I
Speaker 1: need to give a little social lesson to anyone of
Speaker 1: a certain age, you don't need to know their name,
Speaker 1: you don't need to know anything about them. But when
Speaker 1: you see someone in the street or you walk past
Speaker 1: them in Bunnings, you say this.
Speaker 5: Good eight good day, good goody, say good eyday, guys,
Speaker 5: and they.
Speaker 1: Might say it back. And you don't have to be
Speaker 1: the best friends. You don't have to borrow milk and sugar.
Speaker 1: Let's just get a mate. How are you? My kids
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