WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 June 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:07.120 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Happy Sunday. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.760 Thank you so much for watching. We've got a lot 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.159 happening in the man Cat tonight, including this may just 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:17.440 seem like some normal TV hosts desk Gurber normal show. Tonight, 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.160 an official ceremony will be performed, which is right now 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.280 that this will now turn into the Table of Knowledge. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.040 Now you know many a pub has them. Thank god, AI, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.080 we're quickly able to put this together for us. But 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.760 tonight and on every Sunday night, we're going to do 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.520 a new thing, which is called the Table Knowledge, where 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.040 much bigger brains than mine, much smarter people than I, 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.600 are going to be sitting around here talking about big issues. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.279 Because clearly, one of the worst possible thought crimes that 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.000 you can commit in modern Australia or the modern West 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.760 is to wonder out loud where sometimes there's a question 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.760 and you'll work out the answer together. So that's the 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.160 plan for Sunday Nights for the next little while. And 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.640 believe me, the two we've got for tonight, they automatically 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.480 qualify and they'll deserve a second hour. Such will be 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.400 their insights. I guarantee your love them in a moment 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.480 or two time. Obviously, we'll discuss all the matters to 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.000 do with the news in and around today, including you know, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.640 the small news of the beginning potentially of World War 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.880 three in the Middle East, the meeting that the media 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.520 is very excited about between our Prime Minister and the 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.360 United States President, and I want to ask both of them, 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:28.880 because both of them have got skin in the gaming 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.520 about how knit zero became a purity test for both 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.800 the left and the right. Unless you believe a certain 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.920 view of that, then somehow you're not allowed to be 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.759 in the club. Now, speaking of the club, I love 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.520 being able to go and do ourtowns all over the country, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.600 and in a couple of weeks time, we're heading back 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.240 to Newcastle in New South Wales. If you would like 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.400 to join us in the audience in a couple of 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.040 sunday's time, the twenty ninth of June, please send me 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.680 an email right now ourtown at skynews dot com dot 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.120 AU outown at skynews dot com. Do are you. I've 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.080 got friends and family, but that's only going to be 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.680 a small section of the audience. The rest of the 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.880 rooms to be filled by the good viewers of this program, 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.200 who can get there, not this Sunday, nor next Sunday, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.200 the Sunday after so a couple of weeks away, Sunday, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.320 the twenty ninth of June, ourtown. It's skynews dot com 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.880 dot Au. And again before I get to big issues, 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.520 and there are a lot of big issues apart from 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.400 the table of knowledge discussions, can we start on something 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.119 positive and see where we end up in the next 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.600 sixty minutes. One of the best Australians amongst us is 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.359 Professor Richard Scollier now. Professor Scollier is a man who 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.760 has been absolutely at the front of trying to come 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.160 up with that dream of not just cancer treatment, but 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.920 maybe just maybe finding a way for us to be 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.440 able to get over very significant cancers that take too 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.639 many people for too long. And if you've lost somebody 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.760 of recent days, weeks or years ago to cancer, strength 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.680 and love to you. We always think of them, and 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.079 that's why we turn the light to the people who 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.800 are trying to fix the problem now. He was a 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.600 ordered a couple of years ago as the Australian of 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.880 the Year for his work with his colleagues into this 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:12.400 exact area and then the journey since has been an 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.839 incredible one. One of the greatest minds fighting cancer ended 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:20.200 up with cancer. Then as a result of his own 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.440 insight and his own special treatments, we learned that the 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:28.560 cancer was in remission, which is unbelievable right. And then 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.240 towards the start of this year we heard again that 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.600 Richard Scollier was dealing with another bout of this insidious, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.840 horrible disease that he has spent his professional life trying 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:45.000 to defeat, and his personal soul fighting at each and 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.720 every day. Well, this bloke is the reason that I 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.960 want to start the show and start the week by 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:54.520 talking about him and his internal strength because he, along 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.560 all of this battle is a person who has done 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.640 many a park run, and this week, despite the fact 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.080 that yes he is yet again in the battle for 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.520 his life, he is still showing how full of life 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.920 he is. He has just competed this weekend in his 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.520 two hundred and fiftieth park Run, which is a goal 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:20.080 that he set himself after being first diagnosed with cancer. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.000 He made that run yesterday and hundreds of people were 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.719 there to do it with him and to cheer him on. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.400 This bloke was the Australian the Year a couple of 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.800 years ago, but for me, he is the Australian of 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.159 the Year for all time, because never give up, always fight, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.240 use your talents to help others. And this is what 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.560 he said after that incredible personal feat of strength. To 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.680 be able to run two hundred and fifty park runs. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.800 Has been a big goal. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:49.920 To be honest, I never thought that I'd get there. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.640 On social media, wasn't posting as much because of some 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.000 of those challenges that I've come out of the bottom 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.279 of that cloud. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.480 What a special Australian. We love him all the best 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.800 to him, his family and everyone who supports him. And 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.919 if you can one of the many causes, but certainly 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.040 the cancer counsel and all of the work that he 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.919 and his people do. Thank you for what you do 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.040 and thank you for the example that you lead, professor. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.200 What a spectacular example of life that you send to 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.040 all of us. The idea that you are both inspiration 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.120 and the person who might be able to provide medical 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.159 inspiration to people is just something we should never never, never, 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:30.000 never take granted, take for granted, and in my view 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:34.320 it's underlined again the joy that we have being able 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.479 to live on the island continent that is Australia, because yes, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.640 you have seen the news over the past few days 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.200 of what is a tectonic struggle between Israel it's right 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:49.320 to exist, Iran, a country it's significant to wealth and 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.840 power that has done all it can to try to 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.320 take down Israel. Israel of course first hit Iran in 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.960 the past couple of days, trying to go after the 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.720 nuclear program. Iran then of course respond with a whole 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.160 series of targeted drones as well. Much has been said 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.880 over this weekend, but I'm not going to toss over 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:13.240 the hot coals of this. But of course Benjamin Ettanya, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.880 who who is of course responsible for what is happening 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.680 to both the north and the south and now to 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.880 the east of his country right now, well, he of 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.400 course is standing up for his own nation, and the 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.919 world has been dealing with said consequences, particularly after of 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.919 course the horrific attacks from Hamas in October seven, a 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:38.360 couple of years ago. But forgive me for saying, one 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.159 of the joys of living this far away from many 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.480 of the world's trouble spots is that every now and then, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.599 while we can have an opinion and a view on 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:51.960 global issues. Sometimes, just sometimes, Australia does not always need 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.360 to be on the front foot in the global discussion 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.880 about who's right, who's wrong, who we help and who 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.600 we don't, and believe it or not, I agree with 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.000 the Prime Minister when he was quoted saying this this 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.560 weekend about this very situation that put simply, we do 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:07.520 not play a role. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:08.520 Now. 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.440 I know for some people they believe that as part 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.800 of the Community of Nations we play a role. But essentially, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.720 of course the nation state of Australia is not involved 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.760 in the tectonic struggles that take place in places like 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.960 the Middle East. In fact, here is part of what 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.320 the Prime Minister had to say about this this weekend 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:30.080 while making his way towards the G seven. Not playing 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:37.520 a role, and to be honest, that I think is 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.680 where the Australian government's position should be. But there are 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.040 those who believe, as part of the Community of Nations, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.040 we should speak as loudly about every single issue that 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.920 happens all over the world in real time, because technology 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.360 means we are able to watch things happening on the 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.360 other side of the world in real time, no matter 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.800 how positive, no matter how ghastly they happen to be. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.720 And a perfect example of that is the Foreign Minister 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.680 Penny Wong. Now there is no doubt about what she believes, 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.480 there is no doubt about how she is clearly no 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.960 fan of the Israeli Prime Minister or the Israeli government. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:11.520 We know that. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.880 But in part, what she has had to say is 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.040 that despite the fact that we are talking about Iran, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:24.720 which is an existential threat to Israel, and Israel obviously 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.760 bracing itself for the response to dealing with the threats 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.600 in Iran, she has said, while they have a right 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:37.480 to self defense, restraint is absolutely needed. Now I always 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:43.200 find this amazing, the selective moral view that Australia, through 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:49.000 its government takes when it comes to issues overseas and 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:54.000 issues particularly involving this part of the world. This is 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.960 what she had to say today, as again the Prime 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.840 Minister says, we're not involved in this right put simply, yes, okay, 0:08:58.840 --> 0:08:59.920 if we have a view, it's a view on the 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.600 but we are not part of this. Okay. We're not helping, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.040 we're not opposing. It is just another part of the 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.120 world's problem. But then you have the woman who, of 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.959 course in diplomatic circles would be just as comfortable discussing 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:18.120 redrawing the maps of the world as anyone at the 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:19.920 United Nations. This is what she had to say, I 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.679 think on taxpayer telling this week, Israel has a right 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.200 to self defense. It does have a right to self defense. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.960 We urge the escalation, we urge restraint, we urge dialogue 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:32.720 and diplomacy. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.080 But the joy of being as far away as we 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.320 are is that we can see with some perspective the 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.240 multiple angles there are on military conflict that does not 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.480 involve US as a nation state, and there is, as 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:53.160 you can see below, the wars within wars. Now, obviously 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.880 there's sections of the community that will say one side 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.680 is one hundred percent right, one side is one hundred 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.480 percent wrong. There will be those that will say I'm 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.720 not interested at all. And then there are those that, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.400 of course are paying attention to the people who are 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.840 the chief supporters of one side or the other in 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.840 all of this, which means it's time to talk about 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.800 the United States and it's President Donald Trump. Now, Remember 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.880 one of the things that he's been absolutely clear about 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.640 is that he wants to downscale the world when it 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.640 comes to military conflict. He has said, whether you agree 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.920 with it or not, I happen to agree with it, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.720 and I happen to believe it's his position, which is 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.840 that he wants peace. He wants all the wars in 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.760 the world to wind up as fast as possible. And 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.880 the reporting late last week was that before the strike 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:45.160 from Israel to Iran took place, that he did not 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.800 want that to actually take place. In fact, he wrote 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.720 publicly that we are fairly close to an agreement. As 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.720 long as I think there is an agreement, I don't 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.920 want them going in because that would blow up. Referring 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:02.840 to Israel about Iran might help it actually, but also 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.600 could blow it. And then once the strikes of Israel 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.240 towards Iran and the retaliatory strikes of Iran to Israel 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.720 take place, we then have the scenario of key backers 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:23.559 of Israel speaking about the president's position. Here that basically 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.160 the Trump administration is now in a position where they 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.400 are saying publicly they're going to back Israel all the 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.679 way on what they previously had said they should show 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.200 caution about, which was whether to take it to the 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.400 hot war level with Iran, said Ator Lindsey Graham applauded 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.240 the Trump administration's handling of the nuclear issue without getting 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.320 people killed. Yeah, we're trying, but sometimes you've got to 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.520 do or what you're going to do, says Donald Trump. Now, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.240 what is fascinating about all of this is that when 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.679 you look at the coalition that Trump was able to 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.400 put in place, that meant the result of the twenty 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.600 twenty four election was different than the twenty twenty election. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:05.880 And yes, it is some of the source that was 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.560 there in twenty sixteen. And believe it or not, we're 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.520 coming this close to the tenth anniversary of when Donald 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.560 Trump came down that escalator. Won't that be fun for 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.199 all of their heads to explode and the lefty newsrooms 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:22.200 all around the world. But there are a very significant 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.040 series of people who are really hardcore about say things 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.280 like America First, who believe that America should have learnt 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.160 its lesson by getting involved in things like say the 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.000 Iraq War or the Afghanistan War, which went for the 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.040 best part of twenty years and cost literally trillions of dollars. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:44.160 America today is now thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.480 and their view is that America does not need to 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.560 get involved in anything that is not about the defense 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.360 of the United States because they are so far in debt. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.640 Now again, will there be other countries like China that 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:01.200 step in with not so subtle diplomacy or mill tension. Yes, 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:06.640 quite perhaps, but that is part of the America First agenda. Well. Interestingly, 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.520 Steve Bannon, who of course worked with Donald Trump to 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.440 make him president in twenty sixteen, worked for Donald Trump 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.760 as the president in twenty and seventeen and eighteen. He 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.000 was a massive force about not just denialism in and 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.360 around the twenty twenty election, but also trying to hold 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.120 MAGA together so that when Donald Trump ran again beginning 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.640 in twenty two out of twenty four, that he had 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.960 an unimpeded run towards the Republican nomination, and then that 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.000 everyone did all they could to make sure that he 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.440 was elected president. So take note not of what you 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.520 agree with, but of what some very significant people are 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.600 saying in and around the orbit of the president. And 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.000 no one, and I mean no one gets MAGA like 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.800 Steve Bannon gets MAGA because in many ways he leads 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:57.559 MAGA on Trump's behalf. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.079 We don't oppose Israel being Israel first. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:02.760 We get it. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.959 They should be Israel first, but we have to be 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.839 America first. We have to do it right now. This 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.160 Third World War is all encompassing, just like the First 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.480 World War and just like the Second World War, and 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.600 it's playing out in the streets of the United States 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.280 of America. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:21.000 Now. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.840 Again, the way the world has worked since the end 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.880 of World War II is that the United States being 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.640 the leader of free nations, literally having the United Nations 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.720 Building in New York litt alone, being a significant defender 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.840 all the way around the world of freedom and its values. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.120 It's something that people like Bannon say needs to come 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.320 to an end, not that they should give up on 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.160 their freedom, but the idea that they are the supplementary 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.320 force that defends everything everywhere. Hence why there is the 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.280 endless pressure from magaworld. The countries like Australia, which are 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.880 put simply always had at the heart of the plan. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.400 But if it really got in trouble in this country, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.160 that it would be the United States that would be 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.080 coming to back us up, that they would be able 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.360 to tenfold, be able to put on the ground what 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.880 we have here in Australia. So as we contemplate the 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.160 way the world works and how difficult things can be 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.240 on the other side. Never ever, ever lose sight of 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.480 how amazing it is in this country, never lose sight 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.000 of the ability, obviously for us to live in the 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.240 relative peace that we do. Where the biggest complaint in 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.080 our country this weekend's been about how cold it has been. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:39.560 We're the only consequence of this potentially huge escalation in 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.720 military conflict between Israel and Iran, Iran and Israel, the 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:49.720 proxies of Iran, the supporters of Israel, is that we 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.000 are going to feel some pain from this. But the 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.000 pain is most likely not going to be in blood 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.960 and treasure. It is instead going to be an increase 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.680 in things like petrol prices. Shannelova, speaking to the ABC 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.520 as the AMP chief economist, said that if oil prices 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.160 are sustained at these higher levels, there could be a 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.040 flow on of about twelve cents a liter when it 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.680 comes to Australian petrol stations. Of course, petrol, if it 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.040 continues to go up, we'll feed into inflation. If inflation 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.560 starts to go back up and we go above the 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.239 three percent, then are we going to see interest rates? 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:27.520 Definitely not be dropped, but maybe go higher. Well, that 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.600 is one of the consequences that is apparently one of 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 the justifications as opposed to the poor economic management of 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 the government that's freshly been re elected as to why 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.800 interest rates were as high as they were for as 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.680 long as they had been. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.680 early twenty twenty two, the Ensuring War disrupted global oil 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.600 and energy supplies in a major way, but economists say 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.920 the Reserve Bank will likely look through any near term 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.160 boost to inflation that comes from higher petrol prices as 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.360 a result of the conflict, but they say that would 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.440 change if the conflict escalated so got bigger than where 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.639 we are right now, or went for longer than a 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:09.240 couple of days of here or there. So pay attention, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.440 but enjoy the relative peace and in my view, follow 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.359 where the Prime Minister has been, which is, while we 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.240 can all have an opinion, thankfully Australia not involved in 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.159 the fight, doesn't mean we don't care, doesn't mean we 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.439 don't have a preferred outcome. But I think a step 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.159 back is a better place for Australia to be. But 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.080 that's just me. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:29.080 Now. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.560 The media that is focused in and around Australian politics. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.280 Is kind of bored about talking about Australian politics. Why 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:36.840 because they like the government they've got. They had no 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.200 interest in changing them, let alone calling out anything they've 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.919 ever done wrong. Instead, there is one name that, as 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.440 we know, during the election campaign and many many months 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.359 before and the many many months to come, they are 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.560 more obsessed with than anyone in Australian politics. First to 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.400 the US where Donald Trump is Donald Trump. President Donald 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.240 Trump's with Donald Trump and get ready because there is 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.879 about to be a meeting of the Australian Prime Minister 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.520 Anthony Aberinzi and the US President Donald Trump. Andrew Colnell, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.159 who is traveling with the Australian Prime Minister, can explain 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.040 exactly the where and when of this meeting. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:16.159 The first bilateral meeting between the pair will occur in Kananascus, Canada, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.320 early Wednesday Australian time. The PM said he would emphasize 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.119 to President Trump the strength of the Orcus Agreement and 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.240 the fact marines are stationed in the Northern Territory. He 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.920 would also talk up free and fair trade. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.800 But can I also turn down the expectations and turn 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.320 down the temperature on what some figures in the media 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.720 are referring to as the most important meeting of Anthony 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.080 Abanzi's prime ministerial career. Now, yes, there'll be plenty of 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:45.879 people that will be trying to read into the body 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.000 language of do they like each other? Do they not 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.400 like each other? Did the biggest star in the political 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.080 world embrace or reject Donald Trump? But literally, this is 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.639 one of the headlines this weekend, right, which is the 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:03.600 most important meeting of Albanese's career, just got trickier. Now, 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.040 in part all of that is because of what I 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.200 mentioned before that the United States or a magafaction inside 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.240 the government of the United States, believe that Australia should 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.520 be spending more of our money to make sure that 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.240 we can defend ourselves so that America doesn't do all 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.560 of the heavy lifting should Australia ever have to defend itself. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.639 And you've seen lots of stories over the part of 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.960 all while like Australia when it comes to defense spending 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.679 is sort of falling behind the eight ball. Now, obviously 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.919 we're not going to spend as much as America or China, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:38.359 but we're ranked fifteenth in the world. The federal government 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.320 says no, no, we're paying enough already. Firstly, there's the hundreds 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.800 of billions of dollars orchestral when it comes to submarines 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.600 and they're putting money on the table. Remember it was 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.560 just this year where the first of the payments eight 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.840 hundred million Australian dollars which is five hundred million American 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.359 dollars was put in place. But a fascinating question that 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.879 we will discuss tonight and one that we will have 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.760 to think about into the future here is that have 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:08.440 we bet on the wrong technology when it comes to submarines. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.520 I don't have a view, but one thing that is 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.320 absolutely clear is that Australia needs to up its game 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.679 when it comes to drones because as we saw with 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.879 Ukraine and it's hit inside Russia the video you can 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.080 see on Telly right now, or when it comes to 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.720 the response and the playout that's happening between Israel and Iran, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.359 and Iran and Israel, drones and the militarization of drones 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.240 seems to be going up and up and upper gear. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.280 Why because, apart from anything else, they're quite small. If 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.960 you swarm we'd say dozens or hundreds of them at once, 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.480 it's very hard for them to be knocked out of 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:49.120 the sky. But that's part of the conversation, right But instead, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.600 you know, all the news is just going to be 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.600 Trump looked this way, looked disinterested, was happy. Kevin Rudd 0:20:54.600 --> 0:21:00.639 has been reaffirmed as the ambassador, the great Ambassador of 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:02.560 the United States, because they had this many you know, 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.399 all the garbage, it's going to happen. But bear with 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.000 me while I make a little point here. Australia's defense 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.600 absolute paramount. Australia's need to have the best possible defense 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:20.919 absolutely clear. No if no, but no maybe. But I 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.680 am going to introduce a dot dot dot. I think 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.119 it is hard to convince Australians we need to spend 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.639 more money on our defense because when we spend so 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:35.560 much money in tax there are really little examples of 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.520 the bigger issue, which does government actually work for all 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.920 of us, no matter how much we have to work 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.399 for the government? Perfect example. It's a serious story, but 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:45.879 it's one that had a bit of a funny twist 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.199 to it. This weekend, the number of potholes in and 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.720 around Victoria's terrible regional rowan network. Great stuff being done 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.720 by the Sunday Herald Sun and the Herald Sun more 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.000 generally to go off and have a look at some 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.399