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Speaker 1: This is a tride on the American public. Frankly, we

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Speaker 1: did win this selection.

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Speaker 2: It's not my place for Donald Trump's.

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Speaker 1: Place of Declaire Who's won the selection.

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Speaker 2: That's the decision of the American people. They knew they

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Speaker 2: couldn't win. This is an embarrassment to our country.

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Speaker 3: Well, one man who is in Washington as we speak,

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Speaker 3: ten years foreign correspondent, and I tell you what, he's

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Speaker 3: pretty handy to self defense wise if things kick off,

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Speaker 3: the magnificent Hugh Rimington, well with the show you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, if anything goes bad, just stand behind me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, mingon my side. We're safe. Hugh, please give

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Speaker 2: us an update. Where are we at this morning? What

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Speaker 2: do we find?

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Speaker 1: Oh Man lawyers, that's what where we are? The numbers

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Speaker 1: are still being countered, and in fact it's still too

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Speaker 1: close to courn I know that's very tedious cliche in

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Speaker 1: these things, but it is too close to court. Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: a key state for the Democrats. That's just going across

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Speaker 1: to them. So that's a win for them. Put up

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Speaker 1: the numbers. At the moment, Biben, it's on about two

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty eight Electoral College votes. Remember the goal

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Speaker 1: is two seventy. If you put in a couple of

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Speaker 1: the undecideds North Carolina and George, you are probably going

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Speaker 1: to go for trumbp That brings them up to two

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Speaker 1: forty five. So both men are with ensuing distance. It

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Speaker 1: will all come down to Pennsylvania, whoever wins that as

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Speaker 1: the inside run. It was always going to be about Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, the Republicans are saying that they believe

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Speaker 1: they'll win Pennsylvania by about forty thousand votes. Wow, is

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Speaker 1: weirdly exactly the my last time?

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Speaker 4: Oh you.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, Pennsylvania as the decider.

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Speaker 3: So if Wisconsin has been it has been won by

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Speaker 3: Biden and the Democrats. That means Biden only needs to

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Speaker 2: Or Georgia.

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Speaker 3: Trump needs to win all three.

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Speaker 2: Is that about right?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's not quite like it, say you. Probably

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Speaker 1: Michigan is a really weird one. There are still quite

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Speaker 1: a lot of votes to count from different places. You

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Speaker 1: really can't count that. But let's be generous to Biden

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Speaker 1: and say that he wins it. That still doesn't get

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Speaker 1: him across the line. He will still need something from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Nevada could come across to his rescue, but that's

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Speaker 1: subject to a legal challenge, or Pennsylvania, so you know

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Speaker 1: there is it could go either way on the basis

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Speaker 1: as it did last time. Remember that Trump won last

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Speaker 1: time by totality of less than eighty thousand gosh key places,

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Speaker 1: and lost the popular vote by about three billion. At

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Speaker 1: the moment, Joe Biden's ahead by about three billion, and

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Speaker 1: as this party says he has because there was a

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Speaker 4: And here you talk about challenges, and this feels very

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Speaker 4: foreign to us, because I don't think it's the way

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Speaker 4: we would operate. When Trump says he's going to take

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Speaker 4: things to court, he's soon people, he's pausing counting of vote.

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Speaker 4: How can he get away with that sort.

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Speaker 1: Of stuff, Well you can challenge so same as the

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Speaker 1: Australian Electoral Commission process where you can take things to

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Speaker 1: the Court of disputed returns, and that happened at the

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Speaker 1: last election. You might recall in Chisholm and I think

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Speaker 1: things you are allowed to contest these things, you are

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Speaker 1: saying they want a recount in Wisconsin. And that's okay

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Speaker 1: because it was the one percent of the title. So

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Speaker 1: that stuff is normal. What is not normal is the

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Speaker 1: president of the United States simultaneously claiming victory then saying

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Speaker 1: there's been an enormous fraud and perpetrated on the American people,

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Speaker 1: and saying is going to romp into the Supreme Court today,

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Speaker 1: which he hasn't done, by the way, there's no act

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Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court today, and call for an end

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Speaker 1: to more vote being cast. When there are no more

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Speaker 3: But to me, Hugh, when he gets his back up

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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: With his personality, it shows that he's extreme, he's fearful

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Speaker 1: that was Donald Trump, and if you look back in

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Speaker 1: his history before politics, it was about do your deals.

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Speaker 1: If you win on the deal, that's fine, and if

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Speaker 1: And he was famous for running lawyers hot and cold.

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Speaker 1: So he's bringing essentially the morals and the approach of

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Speaker 1: that's also why he's been re elected. People out there

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Speaker 1: pretty much fifty percent of Americans like that about this

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Speaker 1: guy not being a politician, plibating the rules. That's why

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Speaker 2: It also, it seems very confusing the way you've said

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Speaker 2: it and what you've told us, in the fact that

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Speaker 2: he wants to go to the High Court to stop

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Speaker 2: the any further voting. But it's all been counted. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make sense. And so what is creating

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Speaker 1: is a straw man. You've got to realize that Trump

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Speaker 1: feeds conspiracy theory very often and then kind of amplified

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Speaker 1: by you know, he's talk about Fox News, but in

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Speaker 1: fact that there are shows way they're kind of online.

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Speaker 1: There were a Youth Masters and everything all pumping out

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories flat out across the United States. So he's

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Speaker 1: feeding a conspiracy theory as he says that there are

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Speaker 1: sad people with the But there might be sad people,

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Speaker 1: but they've got the capacity in Trump's claim to own

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Speaker 1: and alter the entire American system. That's a conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 2: The other we were.

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Speaker 3: Talking about this this morning. If he loses, and this

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Speaker 3: is the thing that we find astounding, He's still got

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Speaker 3: a couple of months in the White As before he

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Speaker 3: I mean, what's it like there in Washington? What a

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Speaker 3: protest like? Can it really kick off? You worried? You?

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Speaker 1: No? Look, today is really calm. We're actually sort of

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Speaker 1: going for a drive around through the streets of Washington.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a sort of a public holiday. In

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Speaker 1: the middle of a public holiday. There's almost no one

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Speaker 1: on the street. There was a bit of pushing shove

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Speaker 1: last night outside the White House. That may flare up again.

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Speaker 1: And I say that not because I'm predicting it, because

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Speaker 1: it's certainly not because I'm trying to incited or wanted

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Speaker 1: to happen. But if you look at the history of

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Speaker 1: the United States over the last twelve months, it is

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Speaker 1: so volatile the mood or so encendiary that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: out on the streets. And when they're out on the streets,

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Speaker 1: it's not like a sort of a you know, an

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Speaker 1: easy going march with a bunch of people waving a

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Speaker 1: few flags, and as you know, it does go quite

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Speaker 1: quickly to push him shove.

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Speaker 2: You another one. We're waiting for you to confirm as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean a country of three hundred million people. Kanye

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Speaker 2: West secured fifty thousand votes. He's calling for a recount

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Speaker 2: as well. I believe counound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big chance, the big chance. What goes on

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Speaker 1: is weirder than any well.

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Speaker 3: I think you have him as your ring tone, don't

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Speaker 3: you que on your phone?

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Speaker 1: That's a different sort of high goes to such as

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Speaker 1: such a great songwriter.

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Speaker 2: Your phone.

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Speaker 3: We love you, Hugh Rimmington, ten years foreign correspondent over

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Speaker 3: there in Washington, Mate, good luck with the coverage and

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Speaker 3: we'll speak to you soon.

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Speaker 1: You the best fits in with