WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 24 April 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:04.920 On scorn Lives Australia. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:09.400 This is the Wider Penalty Show. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.360 Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show coming 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.400 up tonight, Senator for Team of Payments humiliating social media foil. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.280 The panel will be with me to discuss that and 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.720 plenty more. Shortly, we'll look at the state of the 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:23.840 media in the US. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.360 We trust in the mainstream media plummeting to new Low's 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:28.720 and later in the. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.360 Hour we'll look at which Hollywood A listers are caught 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:35.280 up in the black Lively justin Baldoni, legal staush and 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.760 left is Losing. It features plenty of hate and bile 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.840 from the unhinch Left. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.360 Mac the lightis get a reddit a Coma, the welcomer 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:46.559 becut the road here. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.840 We'll check here, but they won't check out. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.240 Let's start with the Labor candidate for the seat of Dixon. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.240 Ally France is the radical left to selected to take 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.160 on Peter Dutton. She has run against Stutton previously and 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.480 she's active on social media and has been for years. 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.039 Let's check out some of her work. 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.840 She reposted this image on x depicting Peter Dutton as 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.920 a Nazi charming in twenty eighteen, she reposted this commentary 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.160 from John Sedka, where he says Dutton is racist, and 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.480 just two years. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.920 Ago she posted a link to a. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.560 Story claiming that Peter Dutton would cut the NDIS budget 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:30.360 to pay for nuclear submarines, labeling him a monster. Now, 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.360 the PM was asked today about all this, and he 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.600 said that Ali France is an extraordinary human. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:42.840 Ailey France is an extraordinary Australian And I don't know 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.759 what your toy to like more than a decade ago 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:46.760 or what have you. 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:47.559 I have no idea. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.560 She is an outstanding human being. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.400 Joining me now for more on this is Institute of 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.040 Public Affairs Senior Fellow and chief Economist Adam Crichton and 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.760 Menzie's Reach Search Center Senior fellow Nick came, Adam, I'll 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:01.480 start with you. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:03.280 That's not everything. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:08.560 Back in twenty sixteen, she realposted a comment on x saying, Wow, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.080 the Turnbull government is backing and openly racist apartheid regime 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.280 ahead of the US and New Zealand. This was in 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.800 reference to Israel. And they're an increasing number of labor 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.880 MP's and candidates, Adam, who look like they'd be quite 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.320 comfortable sitting in the Greens. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:27.720 Yeah, look, certainly that's true. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.160 I mean, for me, one of the salient facts from 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.680 this campaign, it's just a number of extremists in the 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.320 Labor Party who are standing four seats that they could 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.160 actually win. And there's this real strong anti Israel street 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.600 that I never thought really existed in the rank and 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.000 file of the Labor Party so much it clearly does. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.040 It's very disappointing. But just the other point I'd make 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.360 is I somewhat agree with the Prime Minister when he says, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.640 you know, tweets from a long time ago, we shouldn't 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.560 focus on them too much. I mean, I'm sure we've 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.040 all tweeted stupid things in the past or things that 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.720 we regret. I probably have, and I think it's one 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.160 of the that quality of people don't go into politics 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.360 as they're just terrified that there's something they've done in 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.760 the past that will struck them out. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.640 Yeah, that's a good point, but Nick, we're not talking 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.440 about just a decade ago. There's a posts from just 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.320 a couple of years ago where she's calling Peter Dutton 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.480 a monster. Now we hear a lot about being divisive, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.880 dehumanizing language that sounds like a fairly dehumanizing language in 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:24.480 my book. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.960 Yeah, I'm not prepared to make excuses for this woman, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.560 as Adam seems to be. I'm speaking as a man 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:35.920 of course, with an absolutely clear Facebook and Twitter record, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.600 because I hardly use the things. But all classes people 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:45.360 aren't they They completely lack any originality whatsoever, outcome the same 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.200 old things, the Nazi tweets, the Hitler stuff, the racist stuff. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.000 Does anybody actually take any of this seriously? Does it 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.080 mean anything to the ordinary voters in the seed of 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.960 Dixon who will make their decisions based on much more 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.960 grounded things like the cost of living and the cost 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.440 of fuel and everything else, and that they know Peter 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.480 Dutton and his character has been a member for that 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.520 seat for more than twenty years. I think it's all 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.000 a bit of a sideshow, except, as Adam rightly points out, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.760 it does give us an insight into the sort of 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.839 people who are joining the Labor Party now presumably joining 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.320 Labor rather than the Greens, because they quite like the 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.960 idea that they may one day get into government, which 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.240 is not a luxury you enjoying the Greens Party, But 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.599 you know they are way way out there on the 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.480 fruit cake fringe and you can see how Albnizi has 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.000 so easily allowed the party to be dragged to an 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.400 anti Israel stance in a quite a horrible manner, probably 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.200 one of the most disastrous things that have happened under 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.200 this government, and. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.360 It's happening right in his seat when you look at 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.880 his preferences. We reported last night on the Prime Minister 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.159 finding himself in a preferencing scandal, with Green's candidate Hannah 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.160 Thomas being listed as number two on the PM's how 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.640 to Vote card, despite the fact that she has blockaded 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.240 his offers, claimed Israel is guilty of genocide, and has 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.520 demanded the Prime Minister blacklists the only Jewish state and 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.640 expel its ambassador from Australia. She's held up signs like 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.120 this at pro Palestinian rallies, and The Australian reports today 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.680 that Hannah Thomas was part of a long running protest 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:35.400 outside Anthony alban Albanese electorate office. The protest was labeled 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.400 appalling by the Prime Minister. He said it has no 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:44.880 place in a democracy. Nick Anthony Albanezi refuses to change 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.600 or even explain this how to vote card he has 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:55.159 rewarded here a radical activist for her radical activism. It's 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:00.320 hard to take his claims seriously about how bad these 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.680 protests are for democracy when he's put her number two 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.480 on his ticket. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.760 It's hard to take anything that comes out about Neal's 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:12.120 mouth seriously right now. But I mean his idea, his 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.720 attempt at nonchalance. You know, oh, this is nothing to 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.360 do with me. You know, I don't even know this 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.440 woman's name. I mean, do you really believe that? That's 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.760 a very unconvincing story. But he also came out yesterday 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.360 and said, well, of course, you know, I'm above preferences 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.719 because I don't need preferences to be elected. I was 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.000 elected on fifty three percent of the vote last time round, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.960 as if preferences are for lesser human beings. But I'll 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.880 tell you what he should be careful because when he 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.320 was elected to parliament in nineteen ninety six, there were 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.480 eighty five MPs in Parliament who didn't need to go 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.080 to preferences. In the last election, there are only fifteen. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:54.120 Every seat is getting unless and less safe. The electorate 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.640 is very, very volatile, and I think the voters you 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.560 take for granted are the ones that they are going 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.200 to come round and dammaghue in the end. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.000 Now someone who was a labor senator. They were very 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:08.880 proud of her before they chucked her out of the 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:13.880 party senator for Team payment of WA. She's been mocked 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.560 online for appearing to use AI to come up with 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.800 a tweet to rile up those on the right and 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.960 generate some online activity, and it seems like she's forgotten 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.280 to delete the AI prompt from the post that she 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.960 ended up sharing on x Let's have a look at 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.600 how she apparently asked AI. I don't know if it's 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.360 chat gp grock what she has used here to write 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.960 her a post that would trigger right wing nut jobs. 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:48.120 Here's the full tweet as it appeared. Apologies for the confusion. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.280 Here's an example of a bait tweet to drive engagement 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:53.840 from right wing nut jobs. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.640 R wnjays. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.440 For Team of payment tied of politics, as you also 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.480 are mine. That's why I'm standing with Australia's Voice for 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.280 Climate Action, housing and real change? Are you with us? 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:13.400 Hashtag ospol So the whole thing went up, Adam, Is 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.680 she genuinely that clueless? Is this some sort of I 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.960 don't know, performative art. Is it some sort of a troll. 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.640 I mean, I do recall a few weeks back she 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:27.280 was praising the Iranian regime for its treatment of women, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.720 So I don't know, maybe she really is just that clueless. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.000 Well, I think this gets back to my point earlier 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.440 about the quality of people going into politics for whatever 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.880 reason and has fallen a great deal. And this is 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.560 just an extraordinary example of incompetence, and not just not 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.000 just at a personal level. For her, it's presumably, you know, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.360 it's her Twitter account, but as a senator, she gets 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.640 four to six staff paid for by the taxpayer, all 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.760 on good money, and actually you know she probably gets 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.439 extra personal staff as well, So I don't really know 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.560 how this got through. They're obviously incompetent as well her staff. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.920 They should be kind of watching what she's tweeting, or 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.680 at least overseas. So look, it's just a sad indictment 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.920 of the astrology is just one more. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.959 The only smart thing that they did, her team or 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.080 herself was responsible for this was not deleting, because once 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.320 you delete, you confirm precisely what's happened. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:15.040 It's an admission of guilt. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.160 Nick, I mean, we are laughing at this we're mocking this, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.360 but she's in the Australian Senate, just sitting in the 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.880 upper House. And you do wonder why Labor selected her 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.719 of all the candidates that had available to them. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:31.559 They were very. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.400 Proud to have a young Muslim woman in a h 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.360 jab in the Senate, and I wonder if she wasn't 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.760 wearing a hi jab whether she would have been selected. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:40.840 Yeah. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.600 I mean, she seems unable even to think up a 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.920 very short insult. She has to get the computers rolling 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.040 to do one for her. I mean, it's extraordinary. It's 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.520 not I It's Shakespeare or anything, is it. You know, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.080 it is very very low grade stuff. And it just 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.960 goes to the fact that these are not serious people whatsoever. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.439 How they got into the Senate, Well, they got in 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.400 through preference deals, didn't they. I mean nobody but that 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.079 many Greens and Senators straight off. She just slips in 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.800 on the back of lazy preference deels from Labor and others. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.480 And it's an absolute disgrace. I mean, you remember that 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.640 the description of the Senate as unrepresentative, swill I think 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.840 it's even even more unrepresentative than ever before. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.880 Yes, one of poor Keating's great lines there. We do 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.280 miss some of his gems. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.199 And now I wanted to get your. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.560 Thoughts on this piece from Robert gob Leeson in the 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.160 Australian newspaper today on Donald Trump's tariff strategy. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.959 He writes that today I. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.720 Deliver controversial but underlying good news. There is an economic 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.920 justification for what Trump is doing. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:51.920 He is not mad. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:56.160 Behind the Trump tariffs and the country to country discussions 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.520 are serious global economic and defense issues which are rarely discussed. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.840 As the economic burdens on America grow with global GDP 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.200 outpacing American GDP, America is finding it more difficult to 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.959 underwrite global security. The US wants its defense burden reduced 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:19.560 by increased expenditure from those benefiting from the American security umbrella. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:24.640 This includes Australia. Nick, he is stating the absolute obvious there, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.880 but it is obvious points that have seemed to be 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.920 lost on so many commentators. This is something Donald Trump 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.959 campaigned on, is something has spoken about for decades. It 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.560 should come as no surprise now whether you back this 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.559 or not, this is very much part of his America 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:42.439 First strategy. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.160 Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing Adam's analysis of this. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.880 Is a much more accomplished economist than I am. But 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.720 it's seems to me that that yes something. As Robert 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.480 Cobb leaves some points out, there are many challenges to 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.960 the US economy going forward. One is to maintain its 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.400 position as the reserve currency. Fine, we understand that, but 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.079 I don't think this blood instrument of tariffs is going 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.560 to get there. Yes, we shouldn't be surprised. This is 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.560 what Trump said from the beginning. We should have taken 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.320 him seriously. But I'm far from convinced this is a 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.160 way or that this sort of this sort of cartoony 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.160 picture that we point about we paint of the blue 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.599 collar American workers out of a job, put out of 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.760 a job by China. It's all too simplistic and one 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.000 sided for me. I mean, American consumers, like consumers here, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.400 have benefited enormously from cheap Chinese goods that we would 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:40.079 have been able to make in such quantities ourselves. So yeah, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.280 you know, this tariff's good. You know free trade bad 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.439 is it's certainly not good for Australia. And I'll leave 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.720 it to Adam to put some economic flesh on the 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:52.760 bones on that argument. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.960 Well, economists Stone like Tariff's Adam. But the failure is 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.439 of globalization cannot be overlooked. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.400 This is something that JD. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.000 Vans has spoken about extensively, certainly Donald Trump. They have 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:12.240 seen American manufacturing decimated. And this notion that you can 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.679 get developing countries to make things cheaply whilst more advanced 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.800 countries just come up with the innovation. It hasn't worked 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.839 out that way. The developing countries very quickly work out 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.240 how the innovation works. And that especially when you've got 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.480 a country like China that just steals the intellectual property, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.280 that is a rogue economic superpower now that doesn't play 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.000 by the rules. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.400 Yeah, look, certainly, I think overall I agree with Nick, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.520 but you've got to look at the distribution of economic 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.280 growth over time too. And this is kind of going 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.080 to your point. So the US has experienced, you know, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.960 dramatic GDP per capita growth overall, but amongst certain communities, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.240 the communities that vote for Donald Trump, the cheap TVs 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.080 and radios and iPhones, they just don't compensate for the 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.760 loss of dignity from a job, and it often leads 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.079 to abuse and even death in some cases. And these 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.960 communities are decimated. They're very angry. Okay, they've got cheap stuff, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.240 but actually they're probably rather more expensive stuff at a job. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.760 Although I don't think these tariffs will necessarily work, but 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.000 the US is going to try to bring back some jobs. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.040 It'll probably bring bring back some manufacturing jobs. I don't 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:18.760 think it'll bring back many, but let's just wait and see. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.480 I mean, the elites have been wrong about pretty much 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.360 everything over the last ten years, so they've formed a 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.800 consensus that this is a disaster. Well, it probably won't 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.680 be a disaster. Then if they think it's going to 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.120 be a disaster, all a focus on the stock market 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.560 in the media. Trump supporters couldn't care less about the 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.760 stock market. They don't own any shares. They're poor people. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.880 Most people that arewn stocks vote Democrats, so I don't 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.280 think that's much of a problem. You know. The one 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.200 other point that I would make, and I think it's missed, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.000 is that I think this is just a revenue raising 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.360 exercise to some extent. The only way that the US 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.320 can reduce its extraordinary deficit is by imposing tariffs. Because 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.320 the Congress is never going to increase taxes. It will 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.000 not pass a law to increase taxes. But the president 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.160 he's got one lever and that is tariffs that he 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.080 can unilaterally increase these tariffs even at a ten percent 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:03.920 rate on everything. It's three hundred billion dollars a year. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:04.560 It's a lot of money. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:05.360 It's a lot of money. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.360 So it will help close that gap. And if you're 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:08.720 not going to close the gap, or how else you're 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.520 going to close the gap, So you've got to think 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.440 of some other way, whether you cut spending or whether 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.400 you increase other taxes. But there will be a financial 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.200 collapse otherwise, So they have to do something. 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.040 They have to do something. And what we're looking at 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.040 this massive economic realignment. It is a medium to long 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.640 term projector, and people are expecting results within days or 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:30.080 a week. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.800 That is not just reasonable. Rule out. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:33.960 It's not been idealized. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.080 No, and there has been a lot of. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.320 What's going on. That's it to say different things, But look, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.880 we do have to wait and see. As you say, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.480 your core point is, you know we're only a few 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.480 months into this presidency. Let's give it three years at least. 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:51.240 Well, and we talked about the Trump voters not really 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:56.640 being too concerned about the share market fluctuations, and something 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.480 like the bottom fifty percent in the US only hold 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.960 around one percent of those shares, so it is not 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.480 a huge concern. And there's this been representation in the 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.720 media that you know, Trump's there for the billionaires and 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:10.480 the top end of. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.080 Town, and opposite has been the case. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.840 Absolutely, and that has been the case for now for 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.760 several years, where those who are the most affluent are 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.960 increasingly voting left and those who are working class aspirational 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:25.280 are voting right. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.720 And I'm seeing that right here flipped. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.280 They've completely I don't think they've flipped as much here yet. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 Now in the US they have completely flipped basically, And 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.840 actually the liberals here have to work out whether they're 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.640 going to be a working class party or not. I 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.000 still think they try to have their feeding beatin yes. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.200 And I think that's why they're failing. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.920 I think that is precisely why they're failing, because you 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.800 can't be all things to all people. And I think 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.560 their desperation to win back a few of those till 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.880 seats in the affluent in the suburbs has completely nick 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.800 frustrated their messaging and their ability to come up with 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.960 policies that clearly differentiate them from labor to be bold, 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.880 to be strong on these policies because they know some 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.919 of that retric is not going to be popular in 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.600 the affluent inner suburbs, but it will be very popular 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.600 in the outer suburbs and in regional areas. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.199 Yeah, I mean, the politicians are going to be successful 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.000 in this modern era of those that are able to 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.760 straddle that divide between the university educated, largely in a 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.320 metropolitan elite, and ordinary practical people who do other jobs 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.240 for a living. So you know, we all know what 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.360 that divide is. We all know how hard it is 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.399 increasingly hard to bridge that divide because they seem to 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.160 want quite opposite things in many regards. I think when 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.040 the ships are down, know that certainly not alban Easy 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.160 or Dunton have managed to do that. Whether it can 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 be done, I don't know. I'm beginning to doubt whether 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.960 we end up with a political system here which really 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.520 has essentially two parties nominally on the center right, like 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.600 much of Europe does. Who knows where this goes, but 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.919 right now they're both at historic lows on primary votes 0:17:58.960 --> 0:17:59.800 and that's the reason. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.840 Now let's go to the UK and Prime Minister Keir 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.120 Starmer has finally admitted that a woman. 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.600 Is a biological female. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.000 It took a ruling from the UK Supreme Court for 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.040 him to have enough courage to say this, do you 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.760 believe a trans woman is a woman? 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.800 Look? I think the Supreme Court has answered that question. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.600 But I think look, a woman is an adult female, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.200 and the Court has made that absolutely clear. I actually 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.639 welcome the judgment because I think it gives real clarity. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.800 It allows those that have got a drop guidance to 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.119 be really clear about what that guidance should say. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:39.520 Nick has changed his churn. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.840 It wasn't too long ago when he was claiming that 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.960 some women have a penis and some don't have a cervix, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:49.199 and he was very, very confused when that question was 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:49.840 put to him. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.280 Now he's very clear. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.320 I mean, it seems astonishing that a grown man needs 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.960 a Supreme Court ruling to know something a child understands. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.960 Think all this over complicated, reader, I don't get it. 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.800 This man's got a doctrinate in law, I think from 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.920 Oxford University. I believe you'd have thought that he would 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.199 have enough knowledge of the world at his age to 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.320 come to that conclusion that about what a woman was 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.240 long before the Supreme Court had to pass a ruling 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.600 on it. I don't know whether it's just being a 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.960 lawyer or whatever it is. I mean, I don't think 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.640 the guy is stupid. I think they're just so caught 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.040 up with this narrative and so frightened of their own shadows, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:36.480 so frightened of being criticized by this quite rabid, mad 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.119 radical group of zelots that have been pushing this particular 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.120 line that I just don't think they have the courage 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.399 to to stand up against the trend. But anyway, anyway, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.080 thank goodness for the Supreme Court ruling, and thank goodness 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.639 the Prime minist for Great Britain has accepted it. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.439 Yes, it's good to see he's accepted it. But I 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.080 do recall when Peter Dutton was a this question after 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.240 that Supreme Court. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.560 Ruling, he kind of dodged it. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.919 He really just did not want to talk about it. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.119 He said, it's not an issue for us, it's for 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.119 the UK. It is an issue for us because the 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:17.720 very same narratives, the very same activism and bullying that's happening, 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.400 is happening right here. In fact, I would argue Australia 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.440 is considerably worse because we really haven't had the debate 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.560 because our conservative politicians have been to Gutlass to take 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:31.359 a position on this. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:31.720 Yeah. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.760 The only comments that I'd make there is just firstly 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.920 the mere fact the UK Prime Minister is even talking 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.480 about this sort of stuff. Just where the best is 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:39.960 right now? 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:40.200 Really? 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.200 What must China and Russia? 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:43.280 And you know, veryou do. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.440