1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Fight knights have always attracted some colorful characters all the 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: way back to Georgian times in England. But raves these 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: days attract a different sort of colorful crowd, and raves 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: can attract the people who go by the working title 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: of rappers. We've often advised our listeners that nothing good 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: happens after two am. I'm Andrew Rule his life and crimes. 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: There was a time, way back in the old days 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: when I lived in Kensington, which is one of the 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: old inner Western suburbs. In those days it had stockyards 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: and sheep selling pens and all that sort of stuff, 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: and you could smell a cattle and the sheep when 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: you live there. It was like a little country town. 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: Had pepper trees around the sale yards and you could 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: hear dogs barking all that sort of stuff. Now and 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: again cattle would jump out of the yards and run 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: down the streets. Which is another story. But I used 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: to drive in from Kensington to my then place of work, 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: which was on the Spencer Street side of town. It 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: was about a five minute. 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: Drive, perhaps it was about. 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Seven on the train. Usually I'd take the train, but 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: sometimes drive and I'd take a shortcut. I would come 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: down McCauley Road, and before I got to the old 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: North Melbourne football ground where they used to play there. 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Then I would turn right down Langford Street and cut 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: through sort of factory blocks and warehouses to Arden Street, 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: and then pick up Arden Street and take the short 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: cut back through North Melbourne, past North Melbourne Station, pass 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Festival Hall and to the city. And this was a 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: common shortcut if you lived out that way. Langford Street 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: was interesting. This shortcut just dove on the west side 32 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: of the North Melbourne footy Ground because sometimes in the 33 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: evenings you'd be driving down there and you would see 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: someone standing at the front of unallegedly empty warehouse an 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: old brick joint, and it'd be somebody having a smoke 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: and looking a bit. 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Sort of watchful and bit furtive. 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: And you might think, I wonder what that bug's doing. Well, 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: I know what he was doing. He would have been 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: a cocker tooo a lookout for the floating two up 41 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: game that used to sometimes set up in that street, 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: because Nappy Olington's famous floating two up game would move 43 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: from venue to venue around town, and the officionados of 44 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: the two up school, many of them crooks, knock about 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: scaley wags, rogues, unfrocked priests and rogue police and sometimes 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: undercover coppers. 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: They would know where it was. 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: And they would head off and play two up, which 49 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: of course is a most excellent homegrown Australian gambling game 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: which is now almost extinct. And Nappy Ollington's game was 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: like the famous Tomo's Two Up School in Sydney. It 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: was sort of part of the furniture. It was well known. 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: Probably most Melbournians would never have been near it, but 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: they had all heard of it, and that was what 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: used to happen sometimes in Langford Street, North Melbourne. But 56 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm here to say that times change and so do crimes, 57 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: because these days in Langford Street, North Melbourne, forty years later, 58 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: we have a different scene altogether. Ollington's Two Up School 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: has gone to God. 60 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: It died well. 61 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Before Nappy did, and in its place comes from other 62 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: activities in Langford Street, North Melbourne. And one of those activities, 63 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: in possibly even the same building, is another floating enterprise 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: called a rave. And the raves are another money making 65 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: concern that attracts people to the district. They turn up, 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: some of them probably bring pockets full of cash just 67 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: like their forefathers that went to the tuo Op school. 68 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: And sometimes the cash might be cash that they obtained 69 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: in some naughty way, and they attend the rave and 70 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: they might buy or sell certain substances. I'm not sure, 71 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: but possibly and certainly some of those same people might 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: get along to another event a few blocks away up 73 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: in Racecourse Road, up in Newmarket, Racecourse Road, new Market 74 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: or South Kensington if. 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: You wish where. 76 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: There is a place called the Melbourne Pavilion, which is 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: a rather grand name for a recycled factory. Essentially that 78 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: is used for fight nights. Now that's boxing, but also 79 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: all the other forms of fighting for which members of 80 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: the public will pay money at the door to go 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: and watch. So you would be having your kickboxing as 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: well as your orthodox boxing and anything else that will 83 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: put bumps on seats, and the fight nights there I 84 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: think attract a let's say, a vibrant multicultural crowd is 85 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: one way to put it. And among those vibrant multicultural 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: aficionados of the martial arts and the boxing and pugilism, 87 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: a lot of colorful people who like to bet on 88 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: the results, who like to see who else is there, 89 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: who like to rub shoulders and stare down other people 90 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: that they don't like, and so sometimes we have trouble 91 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: at the fight nights and occasionally. 92 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: People get shot there, which is very sad. 93 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: I think there might be currently an ongoing investigation into 94 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: a shooting at such a fight night. Fight knights have 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: always attracted some. 96 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: Colorful characters all the way back. 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: To Georgian times in England, but raves these days attract 98 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: a different sort of colorful crowd, and raves can attract 99 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: the people who go by the working title of rappers. 100 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: These are rap artists who can rhyme stories into songs 101 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: in a very ingenious way. The best of them are 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: very good at it, and in Melbourne we have some 103 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: people who may not be as good at it as 104 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: their brothers in Los Angeles and in Brooklyn and other places, 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: but they do have a go. It was one of 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: these young fellows, a young bloke called Pell Bedong now 107 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: pell Bedong Pell is his correct name. It's not a nickname. 108 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: His nickname is, or was, sadly, Peasy, and Peas is 109 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: no longer with us because he was shot in the 110 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: early hours of a recent Saturday morning a few weeks ago, 111 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: just around Halloween. We've often advised our listeners that nothing 112 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: good happens after two am, and I have to say 113 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: that it's not improved by an extra hour, because pas 114 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: was found shot dead in Langford Street, North Melbourne at 115 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: three point fifteen on this particular Saturday morning, and whatever 116 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: had happened to lead PZ to be shot dead had 117 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: happened shortly before that in or about Langford Street, North Melbourne, 118 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: which tells us that that old shortcut through from Kensington 119 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: to the city still attracts its share of skulduggery and 120 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: crime and all the rest of it. In fact, there 121 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: was a time when a very well known and notorious 122 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: figure had some building so like old army huts or 123 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: similar down at the Arden Street end of Langford Street. 124 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: And this fellow was a neo Nazi, and he was 125 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: a neo Nazi who actually converted to Islam, which was 126 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: an intriguing transition, but I guess we can all transition 127 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: if we want to. And he ran these sort of 128 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: army hut things and he would take in I think 129 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: officially what he was doing was taking in perhaps ex 130 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: prisoners and offering them a place to stay. I think 131 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: unofficially what he was doing was running a gathering point. 132 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: To put crooks together so. 133 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: That he could organize them into doing crimes for him, 134 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: for him. 135 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: More with him, and so on. 136 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: And he had a lot to do with a lot 137 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: of very bad things, including murder, but we won't dwell 138 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: on that because we're talking about a far more recent event. 139 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: So who was pell Bidong? Well, he was a twenty 140 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: year old Sudanese migrant kid who took on rapping in 141 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: recent years. He's not the only Sudanese rapper around town. 142 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: The death of Pasi Bidong remains a bit of a mystery. 143 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: At the point that we're recording this podcast, the police 144 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: are still looking for the shooter or shooters. The reaction 145 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: to his death is a little intriguing, it seems to me. 146 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: On the night it happened, this is after three o'clock 147 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: in the morning, so we're talking the hours before dawn 148 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: on a Saturday morning, the police who gathered at the 149 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: scene were I won't say besieged, but I'm tempted to 150 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: use that word. They were certainly forced to line up 151 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: a line of police around the crime scene to protect 152 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: the crime scene from the throng of angry young people. 153 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: These would be rap fans or the sort of people 154 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: that go to raves where rappers perform, and they were 155 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: very agitated and very angry and upset that their friend, 156 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: mental mate, relative, whatever, mister Bidong was no longer with 157 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: us and the police. And I don't think they can 158 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: be blamed for this. They have been blamed for it, 159 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's fair. The police thought that 160 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: they were looking after a murder scene, a crime scene, 161 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: and that had to be preserved at all costs so 162 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the forensic people could get there and check what was left. 163 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: You know, the bullet shells, blood, you name it, DNA, 164 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff, all the clues, and so they stood 165 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: in a line and protected the crime scene despite the 166 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: fact that a couple of dozen of these young people 167 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: were there milling around. 168 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: They started a brawl. 169 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: They were fighting, they were punching on and it wasn't 170 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: a very good look. The police have been criticized from 171 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: some quarters for not stopping the brawls and the fights, 172 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: but I think in the circumstances, it was one of 173 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: those situations where they were damned if they did, and 174 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: they were damned if they didn't, because we all know 175 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: that as soon as the police moved in on that 176 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: gathering of brawling young men, mostly that they would have 177 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: to be forcibly detained and forcibly arrested, and that would 178 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: mean that they would be filmed by various people media 179 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: or otherwise forcibly handcuffing young African men, and that those 180 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: images would be used against the police as some sort 181 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: of suggestion or proof or evidence that the police are 182 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: a terrible, wicked, bullying, racist group of people, which is 183 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: probably deeply unfair to the police, but that is the 184 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: situation in which they have to work, and so their 185 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: choice was not to do anything active against the agitated 186 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: young people, but to get on with the investigation, which 187 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: I think. 188 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: Was probably the wisest course. 189 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Now, we got some interesting reactions afterwards, because on one hand, 190 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: we had what appeared to be very sensible. 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: People such as police. 192 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: Spokespersons and a Sudanese community spokesman who is a lawyer 193 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: called kott Manoah. Now Kotmanah is a lawyer I think 194 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: out in the Western suburbs. He I think belongs to 195 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: the South Sudanese group of people, and he's regarded by 196 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: the media as a spokesman for at least one group 197 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: of Sudanese citizens. 198 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: He is, as far. 199 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: As I know, a person of impeccable reputation and character, 200 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: and he joined in with the police in warning against retaliation, saying, 201 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: retaliations are a very real possibility in this situation. Parents, 202 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: please do not let your sons and daughters out late 203 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: at night on the streets because they could easily get 204 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: involved in this retaliation sort of payback stuff. Now, that 205 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: would seem to be a very sensible warning to the 206 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: entire community. But the dead man's brother, whose name is 207 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Bidoon Bedon, came out pretty strongly and said that wasn't 208 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: a good thing to do. He said that such warnings 209 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: against retaliation spread a false narrative, is what he said, 210 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: a false narrative that African youths were violent thugs and 211 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. I reckon he probably overstated 212 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: the case a bit, but anyway, that was his case 213 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: to state it as he saw fit, And of course 214 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: he is a grieving, concerned relative of the dead man. 215 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: He described his brother predictably enough, as a gentle soul, kind, 216 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: lovely and all that good stuff, which tends to be 217 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: the sort of phrases most of us use about the 218 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: recently departed. He also seemed totally at a loss to 219 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: explain why his brother was shot. He seemed to have 220 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: no idea. He couldn't explain anything about it except the 221 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: interesting proposition that he didn't think there would be any retaliation. Now, 222 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how he could not know anything about 223 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: it and then predict there'd be no retaliation. I'm not 224 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: sure why he knows a little bit but not the rest. 225 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: It's intriguing, but it did remind me a little bit 226 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: of a scene with another group of people. Twenty five 227 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: years ago, a fellow called Carl Williams was shot in 228 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: the belly in a small park out in the Western Suburbs, 229 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and he was shot in the belly by the late 230 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: Jason Moran, who became the late Jason Ran mainly because 231 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: he did shoot Carl Williams in the belly, because it 232 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: led to retaliations funnily enough, and Carl Williams was probably saved, 233 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: as we've observed here before, by the fact that his 234 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: diet consisted heavily of red rooster and other fried products, 235 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: which gave him a large padding around his stomach. When 236 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: Jason Ran produced a small twenty two pistol and shot 237 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: him in the belly. The small slug, which is capable 238 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: of killing you if it hits you in the right spot, 239 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: the small slug did not penetrate his belly sufficiently to 240 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: injure him in any vital organ. Didn't get his liver, 241 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: didn't get his heart or his life. It just lodged 242 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: in his guts. And so he was able to very 243 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: lucky man at that stage. It was his twenty ninth birthday. 244 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: He was able to walk off, walk home, bleeding from 245 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: the belly. And when he got to a hospital where 246 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: I think his mother drove him when she noticed the bleeding, 247 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the doctors removed the twenty two bullet and then they 248 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: called the police and they interviewed Carl Williams. He got amnesia. 249 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Now this is a very rare side effect of a 250 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: bullet wound. He got amnesia and he couldn't remember how 251 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: he been shot or who by. And he said, as 252 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: far as seeing you, he was walking down the street 253 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: when he felt a sharp pain and noticed some blood 254 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: on his T shirt and he said, sorry, doctor and 255 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: officer and detective, I just don't know what happened or 256 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: who shot me. And I didn't even realize I'd been shot. Now, 257 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe Carl. I think Carl was telling absolute porkies. 258 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: And there's no doubt he covered his memory soon afterwards 259 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: because he engaged a very willing hit man to go 260 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: out and shoot the Morans. And in fact, the entire 261 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: Underworld War is our listeners will know because they've heard 262 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: it so often. The entire Underworld War was essentially begun 263 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: by Carl Williams's revenge attacks on the Moran family and 264 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: all their supporters and friends and hired guns and all 265 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: the rest of it. Why am I bringing that up. 266 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up because my feeling about the shooting 267 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: of our rapper mate is that possibly someone somewhere and 268 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: knows exactly why that has happened, and knows probably who's 269 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: done it or who's ordered it, and that indeed it 270 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: will lead to retaliations, probably retaliations gunplay, unless certain people 271 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: are detained, arrested and locked up before all the bad 272 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: things can happen. That is our prediction here at Life 273 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: and Crimes. Interesting stuff about the connection between rappers and gangsters. 274 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: We know that the rap culture is inextricably entwined with 275 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: gangster culture. In the gang culture in America, not just 276 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: the West Coast, but also the East Coast, where gangs 277 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: are very big deal gang members in the cryps and 278 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: these other big gangs, these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds 279 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: of them, thousands of them, probably not only on the 280 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: streets and in the tenements and in the bars and 281 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: all the rest of it, but in jail where the 282 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: big gangs dominate the American jails. And they divided fairly 283 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: well along ethnic lines in many ways, and they they 284 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: all are very fond of harming each other and often 285 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: killing each other. And the rapper culture is tied into 286 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: that in such an extraordinary way that two of the 287 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: biggest rappers in America, two of the sort of pioneers 288 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: of rap, who sold extraordinary numbers of what we say records, 289 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: but you know, extraordinary numbers of their songs, were a 290 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: guy called the Notorious Big, Notorious Big Biggie Smalls, I think, 291 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: real name Christopher Wallace. He was a big, fat guy 292 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: who was very good at English when he was at 293 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: a private Catholic school in Brooklyn, and he was able 294 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: to write rap songs and make them up on the spot. 295 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: And I'm a very fluent and very good. He had 296 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: a good voice and a good brain, but sadly he 297 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: also did a lot of drug dealing and that got 298 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: him involved in that whole sort of scene, and he 299 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: ends up being a bitter enemy of another rapper from 300 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: the West Coast. 301 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: Called Tupac Tupac Shakur. 302 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: And Tupac ended up getting shot, not fatally first time round. 303 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: He gets shot, and it's often thought that it was 304 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: his former friend and bitter enemy, Biggie Smalls, the Notorious 305 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Big who sent the guy to shoot Tupac, and ultimately 306 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: Tupac was shot dead, and a second attack sometime later, 307 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: and then Biggie Smalls. 308 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: Was shot dead. 309 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: I think he was only twenty five or something when 310 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: he was shot. I think he was born in nineteen 311 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: seventy two. Died in nineteen ninety seven, shot dead. Point 312 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: of all that is, the rapper culture is choc, a 313 00:20:50,920 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: bloc with images of violence. Guns, sex, bashings, prison are 314 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: the subjects that rap songs are about and that the 315 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: rap culture is all about. And so it would seem 316 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: that even out here in the outposts of rap culture, 317 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: that guns and violence are entwined with the rap culture. 318 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: And we've seen that in our very own North Melbourne 319 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: in recent times. Interesting point here there is another Sudanese 320 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: rapper in Melbourne, a guy who rejoices in the rap 321 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: moniker of BBG Smoky. Now BBG Smoky has another name, 322 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: surprisingly the one on his passport or his driver's license 323 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. And his other name is Sean Deng, and 324 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: Sean Deng is a tall, skinny fellow who's a pretty 325 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: good at spitting out the rap lyrics. If anybody wants 326 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: to look up Sewan Deng's that is BBG Smokey's main video, 327 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: you will find that there is. It's very sort of 328 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: la You actually think you're looking at something shot in 329 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: a luxury suburb of Los Angeles. That's what it looks like, 330 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: the sort of big white Spanish style luxury home, and 331 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: parked out in front of it all these very ostentatiously 332 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: gangsterish cars. There's a I think a Lamborghini. There's various 333 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: luxury Jeeps or decked out. There is a gold platedd 334 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: Harley Davidson, and many Mercedes and all these things. And 335 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: some of these cars. Now, this was actually shot in 336 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: Melbourne because this guy's I think he records in Collingwood 337 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: so he's in a suburban boy and the cars he 338 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: used to do that promotional song video were supplied by 339 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: members of or associates of what we call the Notorious 340 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Crime Family in cf. The Notorious Crime Family is a 341 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Middle Eastern crime group headed by let's say, a guy 342 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: called George Morogi. George Morogi is in jail and has 343 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: been for a while, for a very long time, for 344 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: thirty years whatever, because he hunted down and shot a 345 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: rival drug dealer a while back, and he was caught, convicted, 346 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: locked away. But it is said that he conducts from 347 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: inside jail a massive international drug dealing network which involves friends, associates, 348 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: relatives and so on. 349 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: And it was George Murogi whose gang has been dubbed. 350 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: He dubbed it, I think notorious crime family that shares 351 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: that name like Notorious Big. It's that sort of wrap connection. 352 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: He supplied all these cars to our. 353 00:23:54,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: Good friend BBG Smoky to do his video and not 354 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: just cast but the gold platted Harley of course. And 355 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: this tells you something about the connection in Melbourne between 356 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: genuinely notorious, genuinely bad, genuinely murderous drug dealing criminals and rap. 357 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: There is also a PostScript. BG Smoky is still rapping. 358 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: Where he stands on the death of his fellow artist 359 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: p Z Bedong is a matter for him. Maybe he 360 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: should study the acknowledged godfather of the form, the late Coolio, 361 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: whose rap classic Gangster's Paradise includes one warning line that 362 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: can be repeated in a family newspaper, whereas most rap 363 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: lyrics cannot be because they are very very violent, and 364 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: very sexist and very misogynist. And in fact, most rap 365 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: lyrics make the Taliban look like methodist feminist missionaries. Here's 366 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the line, the warning line from Coolio. You better watch 367 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: how you're talken and where you're walkin, or you and 368 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: your homies might be lined in chalk. 369 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: And that I have to say is a rapper. 370 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes is a Sunday Herald 371 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: Sun production for true crime Australia. Our producer is Johnty Burton. 372 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: For my columns, features and more, go to Heroldsun dot 373 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: com dot Au forward slash Andrew rule one word. For 374 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: advertising inquiries, go to news podcasts sold at. 375 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: News dot com dot au. 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