Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight.
Speaker 3: Albanese's duplicity exposed as he preferences an Israel hating radical
Speaker 3: despite claiming he wouldn't do deals with the Greens. I
Speaker 3: have more to say on his hypocrisy in a moment.
Speaker 3: And a man wearing a Make America Great Again hat
Speaker 3: has allegedly been assaulted outside of polling booth in Albanese's
Speaker 3: own electorate. The man in his eighties is tonight in
Speaker 3: a hospital in a serious condition, and a seventeen year
Speaker 3: old has been arrested. That full story coming up a
Speaker 3: Notit reveals Albanese's urgent care clinics aren't open until ten pm,
Speaker 3: seven days a week, as he promised, Yet he's running
Speaker 3: a scare campaign against the Coalition on Health and so
Speaker 3: Fielsworth joins us from the Vatican as the Pope's body
Speaker 3: lies in state. Will bring you that moving footage a
Speaker 3: bit later. Another Big Show tonight with James Patterson, Michael Kroger,
Speaker 3: Graham Richardson, Andrew Caswell and James willis so much ahead.
Speaker 3: But first tonight, Anthony Albanezi has misled voters overclaims he
Speaker 3: wouldn't be doing deals with the Greens as the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister is caught out preferencing an Israel hating radical in
Speaker 3: his own seat. The Greens candidate in Albanezie seat of
Speaker 3: Graindler Hannah Thomas, describes herself as an immigrant lawyer, writer
Speaker 3: and activist currently renting on stolen, unseeded Gadagal land in Newtown,
Speaker 3: and she's complained about experiencing visa uncertainty when she came
Speaker 3: to Australia in two thousand and nine as an international student.
Speaker 3: The Daily Telegraph reports she became a citizen a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago and she's lucky to now call Australia
Speaker 3: home as we all are. Yet, since October seven, Hannah
Speaker 3: has joined the rallies against Israel with their despicable and
Speaker 3: offensive chants and signs. Her anti Israel views are on
Speaker 3: full display, and here she is casually accusing Israel of
Speaker 3: genocide in Gaza.
Speaker 4: We've just been outdoor knocking in Merrickville and it is
Speaker 4: crystal clear that Palestine is absolutely on the minds of
Speaker 4: people here. They are totally disappointed for the Albanesi government's
Speaker 4: complicity in the.
Speaker 5: Genocide, and they're planning to send him a message at
Speaker 5: the ballot box.
Speaker 4: Like so many in our Inner West community, I'm absolutely
Speaker 4: horrified by Israel's genocide in Gaza, which has resumed with
Speaker 4: increased ferocity since Israel broke the ceasefire.
Speaker 2: Now, there are very few.
Speaker 4: People on this planet who individually have any power to
Speaker 4: do anything to restrain the Israeli war machine. But the
Speaker 4: member for Grainload, the Prime Minister, is one of these people.
Speaker 2: He could sanction Israel, he could act on.
Speaker 4: The ICJ ruling, he could expel the Israeli ambassador.
Speaker 3: Israel war machine genocide calls, as you heard there, to
Speaker 3: sanction Israel and expel the Israeli ambassador. And by the way,
Speaker 3: here's my good friend, Emir Maimon. In actual fact, the
Speaker 3: only genocide that's taken place is when Her Musk deliberately
Speaker 3: massacred innocent Israeli citizens on October seven. Israel since then
Speaker 3: has simply tried to eliminate the terrorists and bring.
Speaker 2: Home its hostages.
Speaker 3: The war could have ended at any point had Her
Speaker 3: Musk surrendered and freed the hostages. Yet I haven't heard
Speaker 3: Hannah or any of the Greens running at any point
Speaker 3: speak about the barbaric slaughter of innocent Israelis on October seven,
Speaker 3: all call for Hamas to return the innocent hostages. So
Speaker 3: this is the Greens candidate, Alban Easy is asking voters
Speaker 3: to preference after they vote for him.
Speaker 2: She's number two on is how to Vote Kart.
Speaker 3: It's utterly outrageous, and yet the Prime Minister claims he
Speaker 3: has no idea who he's giving his preferences to, and
Speaker 3: he even attacked the Australian newspaper for daring to ask
Speaker 3: him about it.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have been able to tell you if you'd
Speaker 6: have asked me who the candidate was last time man
Speaker 6: in this seat. I want on primaries. I want on
Speaker 6: primary That's why the system works. I don't intend to
Speaker 6: promote the name or the candidate of the Greene Party candidate,
Speaker 6: and I'm surprised that the Australia determined to promote them.
Speaker 3: Seriously, turning that legitimate public interest question into a criticism
Speaker 3: of the Australian is unbecoming, and his answer that he
Speaker 3: knows nothing about it is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It defies credibility.
Speaker 3: Now, Alban Easy is heavy involved in the particulars of politics.
Speaker 3: He's got very little interest in actual policy that is
Speaker 3: to do with the future direction of our nation. But
Speaker 3: he's obsessed with party politics and he would categorically, one
Speaker 3: hundred percent absolutely know who he's giving his preferences to.
Speaker 3: He can't legitimately feign ignorance. Remember this is the man
Speaker 3: who strongly criticized the Greens for spreading misinformation on Israel's
Speaker 3: war against Himus, and he claimed that the Greens messaging
Speaker 3: was dangerous and inflammatory.
Speaker 6: Did they seek they seek in a divisive way to
Speaker 6: raise these issues in order to in order to then
Speaker 6: weaponize them, weaponize them and cause division in the Australian community.
Speaker 2: Yep, he was right when he said that.
Speaker 3: And he's also claimed he wouldn't be negotiating with the
Speaker 3: Greens or doing preference deals with the Radical Party.
Speaker 2: He even made this commitment just last night.
Speaker 7: The Labor Party will fall over themselves to do a
Speaker 7: deal with the Greens.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just you preference.
Speaker 6: The untruth put forward put forward by Peter.
Speaker 2: It's not an untruth.
Speaker 3: So he's trying to distance himself from the Greens, but
Speaker 3: at the same time he's directing his constituents to vote
Speaker 3: for them after putting him as number one. His words
Speaker 3: just last night are disingenuous. How can anyone believe him
Speaker 3: that he won't buddy up and co govern with the
Speaker 3: Greens in the case of a hung parliament, which is likely.
Speaker 3: The Executive Council of Australian Jury co chief Alex Rivchin
Speaker 3: told The Australian that he found Albanezi's second vote preference
Speaker 3: of this Green candidate. He said it was profoundly disturbing.
Speaker 3: He said, when the prime minister approves any sort of
Speaker 3: deal with such a party and tells voters in his
Speaker 3: seat to put the candidate second, it tells the country
Speaker 3: that the Greens are legitimate and one can do deals
Speaker 3: with political extremists, and that is what they are. And
Speaker 3: rich And said Alberzi should be excoriating them for libeling
Speaker 3: the Jewish community, not uplifting and rewarding them. And Alex
Speaker 3: as usual is absolutely correct. But Albanesi isn't the only
Speaker 3: Labor minister doing these.
Speaker 2: Preference deals with the Greens.
Speaker 3: The Australian reports that almost every other member of the
Speaker 3: Albanese ministry with publicly disclosed how to vote cards, from
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers and Richard Miles down to assistant ministers and
Speaker 3: special envoys have also directed voters to give the Greens
Speaker 3: then number two preferences, and as you know by now,
Speaker 3: this includes the Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, who is the
Speaker 3: most senior Jewish member of the government, in fact of
Speaker 3: the Parliament. It's a massive betrayal that he is directing
Speaker 3: Australians to give Greens their preferences over the coalition And
Speaker 3: when he was asked about it by the journalist Zoey Deaconing,
Speaker 3: he couldn't even defend his truly indefensible decision.
Speaker 2: Why are you second.
Speaker 8: Party? And yes, what are your thoughts on Josh and Australia.
Speaker 1: A comptable to that decision to preference themselves to keep giving.
Speaker 2: You the answer, that's the matter for the party. That's
Speaker 2: the matter for the party.
Speaker 3: Isn't he embarrassed that he's supposedly a brilliant, highly educated,
Speaker 3: smart lawyer but he can't even face voters to explain
Speaker 3: why his preference seeing the anti Semitic Greens, and he
Speaker 3: wonders why he gets booed and heckled by the Jewish community.
Speaker 3: Now you compare Dreyfus to Josh Burns, another Labor MP,
Speaker 3: but one who had the integrity and courage to stand
Speaker 3: up to Albanesi and the Labor Party and insists that
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be preferencing the Greens and he may lose
Speaker 3: his seat by the.
Speaker 2: Way to the Greens.
Speaker 3: And when I wanted to speak to Josh Burns about
Speaker 3: this on air, the Labor Party made him cancel his
Speaker 3: appearance and Albanizi also blocked him from taking questions at
Speaker 3: a press conference. Yep, this is a duplicitous prime minister
Speaker 3: who knows just how dangerous the Greens are. He said
Speaker 3: so publicly, yet he's happy to do deals with the
Speaker 3: Rancid Party for political expedience seat. And you can bet
Speaker 3: that despite insisting he won't govern alongside Adam Bant, he'll
Speaker 3: do exactly that in order to stay in power, to
Speaker 3: stay prime minister. This is exactly what Julia Gillar did
Speaker 3: when there was a hung parliament in twenty ten. Now
Speaker 3: Johannesley captured this sentiment perfectly in his cartoon where he
Speaker 3: has Albn Easy shopping in spotlight beside Adam Bant, who
Speaker 3: says we're looking for the Drapery department please, As they say,
Speaker 3: Band is already measuring the curtains in the lodge, and
Speaker 3: Australians know that this is true because Band has made
Speaker 3: it plainly clear that his demands include recognition of a
Speaker 3: state of Palestine and scrapping negative gearing and capital gains
Speaker 3: tax in the case.
Speaker 2: Of a hung parliament. And Penny Wang would be only.
Speaker 3: Too happy to make Bant's wishes come true when it
Speaker 3: comes to recognition. And I'm already hearing that she's considering
Speaker 3: a greater diplomatic presence, perhaps even a formal Australian consulate
Speaker 3: in the Palestinian territories. And this would be the radical
Speaker 3: green left government that you can expect if Albanizi.
Speaker 2: Wins A week on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Now, in shocking news tonight, a man in his eighties
Speaker 3: is in serious condition after an alleged assault outside a
Speaker 3: polling booth in Albanese's electorate. He is now in hospital
Speaker 3: receiving treatment. The man was reportedly wearing a Make America
Speaker 3: Great Again hat a Trump hat when he was allegedly
Speaker 3: hit after a supposed argument about defacing a core flute.
Speaker 3: A seventeen year old man has been arrested at the scene,
Speaker 3: and he's now said to be assisting police with the investigation.
Speaker 2: He is the latest from Channel nine.
Speaker 9: A man in his eighties wearing a Make America Great
Speaker 9: Again hat, walked over to an Anthony Albanezi poster and
Speaker 9: then he allegedly went to deface it. One of the
Speaker 9: volunteers approached him asked him not to do that. An
Speaker 9: altercation broke out. Now at this point, a seventeen year
Speaker 9: old boy was crossing the sea the street. He saw
Speaker 9: this and thought the man was being aggressive towards the woman.
Speaker 9: He allegedly struck the eighty year old, who fell to
Speaker 9: the ground. He was then taken to hospital in a
Speaker 9: serious condition.
Speaker 3: Now that's one version of events. We don't know what
Speaker 3: really happened, but it's unconscionable to think that we have
Speaker 3: violence outside our polling stations where an eighty year old
Speaker 3: is tonight in hospital. We are a free democracy in
Speaker 3: one of the luckiest and safest countries on earth. No
Speaker 3: one should go to a polling booth feeling any sense
Speaker 3: of intimidation or fear for their own personal safety, let
Speaker 3: alone an elderly man who were led to believe supports
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Now we hope he recovers fully and can
Speaker 3: tell police exactly what went down. All right, James Patterson
Speaker 3: is coming up in a moment, but for now, let's
Speaker 3: bring in my favorite Wednesday panel, former Victorian Liberal Party
Speaker 3: president Michael Kroger and labor legend Graham Richardson.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Look, I want to start with Albinize's duplicity when it
Speaker 3: comes to preference deals with the Greens. Michael, what's your
Speaker 3: response to this and also the Prime Minister's evasion of
Speaker 3: questions that are in the public interest.
Speaker 10: So Charie, this candidate of the Greens in his own seat,
Speaker 10: who is preference number two? He says it's the party's
Speaker 10: decision and he didn't know the candidate was. That's absolutely rubbish.
Speaker 10: I mean, every member knows who's running against them, for
Speaker 10: goodness sake. So let's put that aside. But here's the
Speaker 10: real problem that Green's can Hannah has accused the Prime
Speaker 10: Minister and the government of being complicit in genocide. She
Speaker 10: has said of Albanezi, you are complicit in mass murder.
Speaker 10: So he's either dismissing her as a non serious person
Speaker 10: and that's a non serious comment. And the Greens are
Speaker 10: just rat bags, so we don't take any notice of
Speaker 10: their comments or he thinks it's okay if she accuses
Speaker 10: me of being complicit in mass murder. I mean, what
Speaker 10: she said of him is grossly defamatory, grossly defamatory, and
Speaker 10: he'd win millions and a defamation case, subject limits. But
Speaker 10: it shows you how extreme the labor part he's got
Speaker 10: when he's prepared to preference her, When Mark Dravis, when
Speaker 10: all of the other things you've talked about, and what
Speaker 10: he'll realize in ten or fifteen or twenty years time
Speaker 10: is this he'll work out in twenty years time, when
Speaker 10: he's in his dotage like some of us are now,
Speaker 10: when he's sitting on his porch, he'll realize that the
Speaker 10: Greens were a much bigger threat to the Labor Party
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty five in the years that followed than
Speaker 10: the Liberal Party ever was. These people are going to
Speaker 10: do a lot more damage to labor than we could
Speaker 10: ever do to labor. They're eating the Labor Party from inside,
Speaker 10: and the fact that labor has to so desperately cling
Speaker 10: onto these extremists tells you everything about modern labor.
Speaker 2: Rich.
Speaker 3: I want to get your response to what Michael Kroger
Speaker 3: has just said. Do you think the Greens are an
Speaker 3: existential threat to labor and the values that labor once
Speaker 3: stood for.
Speaker 5: Now, I think they can engage in the odd bit
Speaker 5: of rat baggery, they can make films of themselves, but
Speaker 5: they are part of Austratia's body politic. They are a
Speaker 5: genuine part of it, you know. And you can't get
Speaker 5: ten percent of the vote election after election after election
Speaker 5: and just be disregarded. You have got a piece of reaction,
Speaker 5: shall we say, And it's a piece that they have
Speaker 5: maintained and retained election after election. In my view of
Speaker 5: the Greens has always been the success of good points
Speaker 5: about it. When they talk about trees, when they get
Speaker 5: off trees, that's when they get off.
Speaker 3: They haven't been on trees for a long time now,
Speaker 3: for many years now, and I.
Speaker 2: Think voters still it is true, yes, and many.
Speaker 3: Voters are still under the misapprehension that the Greens is
Speaker 3: an environmental party.
Speaker 2: They don't care about the environment anymore. In fact, you know,
Speaker 2: they often.
Speaker 3: Want to kill off the koalas we hear tonight and
Speaker 3: other news. But Rich, I just want to stick with
Speaker 3: you for a minute. I hear that Labor Circles joke
Speaker 3: that Albin Eazy is yep, he's the Prime Minister, but
Speaker 3: he's also the Assistant General Secretary of the New South
Speaker 3: Wales ALP, because he's so involved and obsessed with the
Speaker 3: minutia of New South Wales Labor candidates.
Speaker 2: Is this true, Rich, I mean, it's not believable.
Speaker 3: Like Michael said that he doesn't know Labours giving preferences
Speaker 3: to the Greens or who the candidate is in his seat.
Speaker 5: Now, that isn't believable. I'm not going to defend that.
Speaker 5: There's no credibility in saying that. Of course he knows.
Speaker 5: I think albow ort to just look at the Greens,
Speaker 5: speak about them honestly, and maybe not completely honestly, but
Speaker 5: as honest as possible. Look, they can come up with
Speaker 5: some good policies, but unfortunately they've been taken over by
Speaker 5: a whole lot of people that couldn't give a rats
Speaker 5: about trees and who have much more radical views of
Speaker 5: the world. And it's a sad thing for me to
Speaker 5: have watched that over the course of the last couple
Speaker 5: of decades. The Greens are not what they were and
Speaker 5: they never will be again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is sad.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Michael, let's talk about the campaign. We've got ten
Speaker 3: days to go. The national polls are looking very dire
Speaker 3: for the coalition, but internal liberal polling paints another picture.
Speaker 3: Dutton has said that publicly yesterday, what's your sense of
Speaker 3: where the campaign's at at the moment.
Speaker 2: Well, it's no doubt the.
Speaker 10: Labor have had the best of the first three weeks
Speaker 10: of the campaign, which was largely built on their historic
Speaker 10: brand equity in social policy to it in this case medicare.
Speaker 10: And I must say I was delighted to see the
Speaker 10: Shadow Minister for Health and rust and give a blistering
Speaker 10: attack make a blistering attack on Alban Easy today by
Speaker 10: saying he's just a political vulture preying on the sick
Speaker 10: and the infirmed and the elderly, which is exactly one
Speaker 10: hundred percent right now. Wish someone had said that months ago,
Speaker 10: because their whole campaign is to scare older people and
Speaker 10: sick people and elderly people into thinking that somehow their
Speaker 10: Medicare cards going to be taken away from them. If
Speaker 10: Peter Dutton wins, Nane rustin for attacking him. And this
Speaker 10: is a campaign based on deception and by the way,
Speaker 10: you know, we see the deception with the use of
Speaker 10: the Medicare signed behind Albanesi in the Medicare card. These
Speaker 10: are these are trademarks owned by the Commonwealth. I don't
Speaker 10: know why Albany. I don't know why the head of
Speaker 10: I don't know why the head of Medicare hasn't run
Speaker 10: the federal ALP campaign director and said, can you stop
Speaker 10: using the Medicare signed behind Albanesi these press conferences. Otherwise
Speaker 10: I will seek an injunction against the ALP and Albanesi
Speaker 10: for misusing our trademarks. So Albanize has got away with
Speaker 10: blue murders. It's one of the many things he's done
Speaker 10: during this campaign which is just just dishonest, and you
Speaker 10: know he should be called out for it.
Speaker 3: Well, on that point, Duttan last night accused Albanesi of
Speaker 3: constantly lying, saying great line that he couldn't lie straight
Speaker 3: in bed.
Speaker 1: Have a look, we'll be honest.
Speaker 6: Health, each b and education, every population is increasing.
Speaker 7: For minister, you couldn't straight in bed. Honestly, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It can go to abuse.
Speaker 6: Well, it's just the reality.
Speaker 4: Here, Ritchel.
Speaker 3: It was a good line cut through, got a lot
Speaker 3: of media attention. But it's true, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It's not true. All say to that is Albow is
Speaker 5: a politician. Politicians stretch the truth and they do it
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 1: Both sides do it.
Speaker 5: They stretch it as far as they possibly can, and
Speaker 5: you're not going to stop that.
Speaker 3: Alba lies this campaign, Rich, I have been egregious, as
Speaker 3: Michael just said, standing in front of that Medicare sign,
Speaker 3: claiming that Dartan was going to cut medica.
Speaker 2: It's not going to cut medicare. You've got to admit that.
Speaker 5: No. I think I already just said to you. I
Speaker 5: think we've gone a little bit over the top. But
Speaker 5: that happens in politics. This is not, you know, kissing
Speaker 5: in the ring. This is a pretty tough game, and
Speaker 5: it tough. Now. Look, I think I think Elbow probably
Speaker 5: would regret some of the words he's used in this,
Speaker 5: But by the same token, it still seems to be
Speaker 5: going okay.
Speaker 11: To me.
Speaker 5: I don't think there'll be any radical change in what happens.
Speaker 5: I'd still think that labor will hold government and in
Speaker 5: my view, will hold it alone. We won't need Teals
Speaker 5: or anybody else.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that prediction, Mike, or do
Speaker 3: you think Albin easy perhaps through all of these scare
Speaker 3: campaigns and lies will hold government without I mean rich
Speaker 3: is saying majority government there if he doesn't need the Teals.
Speaker 2: Or anyone else. What do you reckon about that prediction.
Speaker 10: Well, I've always doubted that because for such a long
Speaker 10: time people thought the government was so poor and they
Speaker 10: reverted to labor and the recent poles. The reasons I explained,
Speaker 10: but I think people really think they want the next
Speaker 10: three years to be like the last three. I think
Speaker 10: the majority of people won't want that because he been
Speaker 10: such a poor Prime Minison has been such a poor government,
Speaker 10: So I don't think that'll happen, but you know it,
Speaker 10: can he get there with the Greens, which would be
Speaker 10: his first port of calls since he's in a love
Speaker 10: wrestle with them, He could well do that, or with
Speaker 10: a sprinkling of some of the Teals. That can happen
Speaker 10: if he gets to you know, if you get to
Speaker 10: seventy seats, if Labour get to seventy seats, then there
Speaker 10: are chants with the Greens and the Teals to cobble
Speaker 10: together seventy sixts. So that's on the last lot of
Speaker 10: polling that's possible. Although I'm hopeful that a lot of
Speaker 10: this increase in the labor vote is in labour seats
Speaker 10: where there were very heavy swings away from them in
Speaker 10: safe seats at the last election, particularly in Victoria. Their
Speaker 10: primary route dropped four percent and huge numbers in safe
Speaker 10: labor seats. So if those numbers have come back to labor,
Speaker 10: in other words, if it's labor talking to their base,
Speaker 10: which a lot of their campaign is, the result much
Speaker 10: to be much closer than people think.
Speaker 3: Well, as I'm going to ask James Patterson about in
Speaker 3: a moment, there certainly is this disconnect between the published
Speaker 3: national polls and the internal research that that the Liberals
Speaker 3: are getting all right, rich O, Michael Kroger, Great to
Speaker 3: see you both as always. Now, the Coalition announced its
Speaker 3: defense policy today, two days out from ANZAC Day. Dutton
Speaker 3: and Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty pledged an extra twenty
Speaker 3: one billion dollars. This would take defense spending to two
Speaker 3: point five percent of GDP by twenty thirty now. Darton
Speaker 3: said that we can't achieve peace through weakness.
Speaker 7: In Australia, Labour parties were eighty billion dollars out of
Speaker 7: defense at a time. They tell us that we should
Speaker 7: be trying to bolster our defenses, and you don't achieve
Speaker 7: peace through weakness. And the trouble at the moment is
Speaker 7: that we've got a weak prime minister, which is why
Speaker 7: we've had bad economic policy.
Speaker 3: And Andrew Hasty made the point that Australia can't just
Speaker 3: rely on America forever.
Speaker 12: This is a big, big announcement and it sends a
Speaker 12: signal to the world as well that we are serious
Speaker 12: about defense. We can't take anything for granted anymore.
Speaker 13: If there's a.
Speaker 12: Lesson out of Ukraine, it's that you've got to be
Speaker 12: able to stand up on your own two feet, at
Speaker 12: least until your allies can come and support you. And
Speaker 12: I think with the election of President Trump, America is
Speaker 12: moving to a America first posture.
Speaker 1: We still have a strong.
Speaker 12: Relationship with the United States, but we can't take anything
Speaker 12: for granted.
Speaker 3: And when you consider that China has engaged this is
Speaker 3: just so underestimated and underreported. China has engaged in live
Speaker 3: firing exercises off the Tasman Sea and has had warships
Speaker 3: circumnavigating our coastline in a threatening maneuver. Well, this would
Speaker 3: be a welcome increase in defense spending joining me now
Speaker 3: to talk about this is Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson.
Speaker 2: James, thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Now, twenty one billion dollars is a significant spend.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to our viewers.
Speaker 3: The specifics of your defense policy and how it's different
Speaker 3: from Labour's.
Speaker 11: Chara.
Speaker 13: We know that Labor talks a good game when it
Speaker 13: comes to defense and national security. They say they understand
Speaker 13: the strategic environment and how die it is. But you
Speaker 13: have to look at what Labour does, not just what
Speaker 13: they say, and they never match their rhetoric with action.
Speaker 13: They've kept defense spending low, and in fact, because they're
Speaker 13: spending on future orcust capability without increasing our defense budget,
Speaker 13: they're cannibalizing existing defense capability and having to cancel a
Speaker 13: whole string of important defense procurement projects like infantry fighting vehicles, howitzers,
Speaker 13: and joint strike fighters. Cannibalizing current defense capability in favor
Speaker 13: of future capability which is important but won't arrive for
Speaker 13: some time. We think that's a historic mistake. We think
Speaker 13: it's a dangerous and reckless thing to do, and we're
Speaker 13: going to significantly increase defense spending in the next five
Speaker 13: years up to two and a half percent of GDP
Speaker 13: and over the next decade up to three percent of GDP.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister today said that this is a media
Speaker 3: release in search of a policy. So how will the
Speaker 3: twenty one billion be spent, What new equipment will be purchased.
Speaker 13: We've given some examples already, like restoring the fourth squadron
Speaker 13: of Joint Strike fighters that Labor canceled, those F thirty
Speaker 13: five fighter jets. But we're not going to make the
Speaker 13: same mistake that Labour did before the last election of
Speaker 13: basically entering into negotiations and procurement contracts without the benefit advice.
Speaker 13: And i'll tell you why it is major foreign policy.
Speaker 13: In national security address before the last election, Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 13: said we're going to put Tomahawk missiles on the Colon
Speaker 13: class submarines. Well, the only problem with that was that
Speaker 13: it turned out when they got into government they realized
Speaker 13: that those Tomahawk missiles were no longer in production that
Speaker 13: could go on the Colon class submarines, and it was
Speaker 13: too expensive and complicated to retrofit the Colins class submarines
Speaker 13: to host those Tomahawk missiles. So that was a major
Speaker 13: blunder on national security in defense that Anthony alban Mezi
Speaker 13: made because he didn't have the benefit of the advice
Speaker 13: and he tried to make a big promise before the
Speaker 13: election without the benefit of it. We're not going to
Speaker 13: make that same mistake.
Speaker 3: But you could say, generally speaking that you want to
Speaker 3: invest in more aerial drones, or more missiles, or more
Speaker 3: submarines for example.
Speaker 13: That's right, Sharry, and we have said all of that.
Speaker 13: We've said that we're going to be in in more
Speaker 13: guided weapons, including missiles. We said that we can be
Speaker 13: investing in lethal drones. We said we're going to be
Speaker 13: investing in upgrading our defense bases and facilities because right
Speaker 13: now they're at grave risk of not being ready for
Speaker 13: ucas in just two years time, when we're supposed to
Speaker 13: be receiving the first rotational US submarine Virginia class submarines
Speaker 13: at fleet based West in Western Australia, if we don't
Speaker 13: get that based up and running, if it doesn't have
Speaker 13: the if it's not ready to receive them, then we
Speaker 13: will have failed at the first orcus hurdle. And that's
Speaker 13: because this Governm's failing to put the money in that
Speaker 13: it needs to look.
Speaker 3: At this announcement today, Andrew Hasty was grilled on the
Speaker 3: topic of women in combat.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that now.
Speaker 12: Our coalition policy is that all combat roles are open
Speaker 12: to women. The one thing that we'll well, one thing
Speaker 12: that we will insist on is high standards because in
Speaker 12: combat there's no points for second place, so we need
Speaker 12: to be able to win every fight that we go into.
Speaker 12: That's why we'll uphold high standards.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Are you seeing that women have lower standards?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 12: Hardly saying we have one standard?
Speaker 3: And it went on that questioning Now, James, I'm a feminist,
Speaker 3: but this isn't a case of gender bias. I mean,
Speaker 3: the reality is that most men wouldn't qualify for the
Speaker 3: sas because of physical strength, let alone women who are,
Speaker 3: for the most part but not all biologically simply not
Speaker 3: as strong.
Speaker 13: Sharry, A lot of people who've been lecturing Andrew Hasty
Speaker 13: about this haven't seen what he's seen, haven't served in
Speaker 13: the way he has, and I think that should be
Speaker 13: a bit more humble, including the Deputy Prime Minister. But
Speaker 13: our policy is very clear. Any person, regardless of their gender,
Speaker 13: or their sexuality, or their race, or their religion or
Speaker 13: any other characteristic. Any person who meets the standard is
Speaker 13: welcome to serve. In fact, we want more people to serve.
Speaker 13: We want more people to sign up because on this
Speaker 13: government's watch, we have a recruited Recruitment and Retention CRISISF
Speaker 13: is five thousand people below its authorized strength and that
Speaker 13: is a disaster in a dangerous security environment. So if
Speaker 13: you're a patriotic and fit and able Australian, we want
Speaker 13: you to sign up, and we want you to serve,
Speaker 13: regardless of your denda or any other characteristic.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that recruitment is a major issue, and the
Speaker 3: lack of recruitment is in large part to how returning
Speaker 3: veterans have been treated. Now, I spoke last night in
Speaker 3: the show about how the national polls are telling a
Speaker 3: different story to the internal Liberal polling. Darton mention this
Speaker 3: on air yesterday as well.
Speaker 7: I think if you have a look at the twenty
Speaker 7: nineteen Pole result, where you know all the public published
Speaker 7: polling was pointing one way, the reality is that there
Speaker 7: was a different outcome. Now I'm not going to go
Speaker 7: into the private polling, but you'll see where the government's
Speaker 7: spending money at the moment in their seats. They're defending
Speaker 7: seats at the moment, they're not on the offensive. So
Speaker 7: I think there's a bit more of a sophisticated view
Speaker 7: in relation to the polling and what's happening at the moment.
Speaker 7: Australians are hurting. That's the reality.
Speaker 3: So James, what's your sense at the moment you're the
Speaker 3: coalition campaign spokesman, you're in the coalition headquarters. Is pessimism
Speaker 3: setting in about.
Speaker 2: The election result?
Speaker 3: Or is dart and right that your internal Liberal Party
Speaker 3: research is still showing a better outcome than the national polls.
Speaker 13: This election is still very much up for grabs, and
Speaker 13: over the next week and a half will be sticking
Speaker 13: to our message about how Australians will be better off
Speaker 13: under a Dutton coalition government. And let me give you
Speaker 13: a data point that illustrates why this election is still
Speaker 13: up for grabs. There's four seats in Victoria that are
Speaker 13: traditional safe flavor seats, Hawk and Gorton in the northwest
Speaker 13: and Holt and Bruce in the southeast. In each of
Speaker 13: those seats, over the last few months, the Labour Party
Speaker 13: has spent at least seventy thousand dollars on Google and
Speaker 13: YouTube advertising in some of those seats up to one
Speaker 13: hundred and ten thousand dollars. Now, those are seats which
Speaker 13: have not been held by the Liberal Party for decades.
Speaker 13: Some of those have margins of more than ten percent.
Speaker 13: If you're dropping one hundred grand in Gorton on online advertising,
Speaker 13: that shows you what you really think about where this
Speaker 13: election is going to be fought and won and lost.
Speaker 13: And I've never seen a government seeking a second term
Speaker 13: in office have such a defensive posture and be spending
Speaker 13: so much money and time and effort trying to hold
Speaker 13: traditional safe labor seats. That tells you what Labour thinks
Speaker 13: about where this campaign is really at.
Speaker 3: So you said there at the start of that answer
Speaker 3: that the election is still anyone's to win. Are you
Speaker 3: legitimately saying that the coalition could win majority government here
Speaker 3: minority government?
Speaker 2: What exactly do you think is a realistic prospect.
Speaker 13: I'm not going to get into the dangerous game of
Speaker 13: specific predictions, Shari, but to suffice to say, this government
Speaker 13: has not sold the deal with the Australian people. They
Speaker 13: have not convinced the Australian people that they deserve another
Speaker 13: three years, and for good reason, because their performance in
Speaker 13: their first three years has been so abysmal it's not
Speaker 13: going to get any better in their next three years
Speaker 13: should they be lucky enough to have that, particularly if
Speaker 13: they're aliant on the Greens and the Teals, as they
Speaker 13: likely would be in a hung parliament scenario. So Australians
Speaker 13: do have a choice to make over the next ten days,
Speaker 13: and they should really seriously contemplate what their future would
Speaker 13: look like under Anthony Albanezi with Adam bant Is a
Speaker 13: co pilot, with the Teals as co pilots. Just think
Speaker 13: about what that'll meansfit economy, for our national security, for
Speaker 13: our place in the world.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I spoke about that at the start of the show.
Speaker 3: Very worrying prospect, all right, James Patterson, thank you very
Speaker 3: much for your time, and.
Speaker 2: Still to calm.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's record of broken promises grows longer with
Speaker 3: an exclusive Sky News audit blowing holes in his pledged
Speaker 3: to extend the hours of medical clinics. Plus the research
Speaker 3: showing the cost of net zero is far greater than
Speaker 3: that of Trump's tariff. So I'll speak about that with
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton right after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, there's been a lot.
Speaker 3: Of focus by the Albanesi government this election on Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: but the Institute of Public Affairs is working on research
Speaker 3: that examines how the cost of net zero to industry
Speaker 3: and business is far greater than that of Trump's tariffs
Speaker 3: and discuss the Institute of Public Affairs chief economist Adam
Speaker 3: Crighton joins me. Now, Adam, great to see you again. Look,
Speaker 3: tell us about this research that the IPA is working
Speaker 3: on that examines the cost of net zero and how
Speaker 3: it would compare to the tariffs and their impact in Australia.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, certainly. Show well, it's very primarive research.
Speaker 14: I can't give you specific.
Speaker 2: Figures yet, but you're quite right.
Speaker 14: There is this obsession with Trump's tariffs, and it's only
Speaker 14: ten percent on Australia, and we don't export much to
Speaker 14: the US in the first place, so actually the cost
Speaker 14: for Australia will be quite small. But at the same time,
Speaker 14: we also have this thing in Australia called a safeguard
Speaker 14: mechanism where the two hundred biggest so called polluters they
Speaker 14: have to drastically reduce their emissions by twenty thirty and
Speaker 14: some of them will shut down and some of them
Speaker 14: will have to pay tens of million dollars in tax,
Speaker 14: and effectively it's a carbon tax by stills, and the
Speaker 14: ultimate cost is going to be many hundreds of millions
Speaker 14: of dollars. And it's quite likely likely in my view,
Speaker 14: that the ultimate cost of the safeguard mechanism will be
Speaker 14: greater than the Trump Tariff's a direct impact on Australia,
Speaker 14: and I don't think enough Australians realize that that we
Speaker 14: actually impose a tariff on ourselves. And yes, we are
Speaker 14: working on the specific numbers, but it's still very preliminary.
Speaker 14: But it's something that all think tanks in Australias should
Speaker 14: be working on rather than obsessing about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about tax reform. It's something
Speaker 3: we've spoken about a lot in the past.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Peter Darton gave an interview with The Australians Editor at
Speaker 3: large Paul Kelly, where he indicated his aspiration to index
Speaker 3: tax brackets in line with inflation.
Speaker 5: Have a look.
Speaker 7: I want to see us move as quickly as we
Speaker 7: can as a country to changes around personal income tax,
Speaker 7: including indexation, because bracket creep, as we know is a
Speaker 7: killer in the economy and it stifles productivity and entrepreneurialism
Speaker 7: and hard work, etc. But we need to do it
Speaker 7: at a time where the budget can afford to do so.
Speaker 3: Adam, this would be genuine reform, excellent reform that whoever's
Speaker 3: in government should absolutely be embarking on indexing the tax
Speaker 3: brackets in line with CPI.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Look, it's just so bad that the Coalition did not
Speaker 14: seriously go to the election with this. This would have
Speaker 14: been a huge philosophical difference. I mean, yes, the lack
Speaker 14: of indexation is basically a totally unlegislated.
Speaker 1: Tax increase every year.
Speaker 14: It's completely immoral and just as the opposition leaders said,
Speaker 14: you know, it kills entrepreneurialism, it kills productivity. And if
Speaker 14: those things are true, then why doesn't he do it
Speaker 14: right now? It doesn't make any sense to me that
Speaker 14: they haven't gone with it. I think this vague promise
Speaker 14: is just not good enough. I mean, most serious countries
Speaker 14: in the world already do this, the United States, France, Canada, Germany.
Speaker 14: I mean, you know, we index our pensions, we index
Speaker 14: our family benefits every year, but poor old taxpayer doesn't
Speaker 14: get any indexation. And that effectively means a tax increase
Speaker 14: every year, and that is the only way the governments
Speaker 14: of both persuasions can just keep increasing their spending every year.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about a tax increase by stealth
Speaker 3: when it comes to the safeguide mechanism, but this truly
Speaker 3: is a tax increase by stealth, and it's taking more
Speaker 3: high proportion of people's income tax brackets because bracket creep,
Speaker 3: particularly when inflation's rising, and you know, people say, are
Speaker 3: inflation's falling, but people don't realize that actually the cost
Speaker 3: of goods is still rising. Yes, the level at which
Speaker 3: it's rising isn't as much as it was, but it's
Speaker 3: still rising above the target range. And I think this
Speaker 3: is something that people don't understand. The inflation battle isn't over, Adam.
Speaker 14: Yes, No, that's certainly right, and something in economics we
Speaker 14: call money illusion. People don't think about inflation, they don't
Speaker 14: understand it.
Speaker 2: And actually with.
Speaker 14: Bracket creep, they often think that you need to move
Speaker 14: into a different bracket for it to be effective, but no,
Speaker 14: you just need to have a pay rise in your
Speaker 14: current bracket and then more of your wage is going
Speaker 14: to be taxed at a higher rate, so you're still
Speaker 14: paying a hig average tax rate even though you have
Speaker 14: not gone into a higher bracket. So it affects everyone
Speaker 14: all the time, and it's extremely insidious, as you just say.
Speaker 3: Look, we've been speaking about the coalition's major defense announcement today.
Speaker 3: What's your view on this policy?
Speaker 14: Well, look, I think I mean politically, five hundred and
Speaker 14: forty thousand people have already voted and they've just released it,
Speaker 14: so I think it's a bit late in the day
Speaker 14: to be releasing it, and I think there should have
Speaker 14: been a little bit more flesh on the bone in
Speaker 14: terms of what it means. But I think it's certainly
Speaker 14: in the right direction. We need to increase our defense
Speaker 14: spending and there's plenty of IPA research on this. We
Speaker 14: need to go from two percent of GDP to three
Speaker 14: percent of GDP, and as I understand it, this is
Speaker 14: going to two and a half percent of GDP, which
Speaker 14: is good, but it's still going.
Speaker 2: To take five years.
Speaker 14: And I think we really need to take defense far
Speaker 14: more seriously given the geopolitical threats, not just from China
Speaker 14: as we well know, but also now increasingly from Russia.
Speaker 2: No indeed, all right, Adam Crichton, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, an audit by Sky News finds
Speaker 3: just how many of Albanese's promised late night urgent care
Speaker 3: clinics close before eight pm. Details of this broken promise
Speaker 3: next Welcome back Well. One of Anthony Albanese's major promises
Speaker 3: were late night medical urgent care clinics, which he said
Speaker 3: would be open from eight am until ten pm, seven
Speaker 3: days a week.
Speaker 6: What we need to do is to make sure that
Speaker 6: people can get that care when they need it. It's
Speaker 6: one of the reasons why we announced our urgent care
Speaker 6: clinics to take pressure off emergency departments.
Speaker 3: But an audit undertaken by our Sky News digital journalists
Speaker 3: found only forty four of the eighty seven were open
Speaker 3: from eight am to ten pm, and the audit found
Speaker 3: that mostly the clinics in rural and regional areas were
Speaker 3: not open these hours, and none of the clinics in
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, thus South Australia or Tasmania met this
Speaker 3: eight am to ten pm requirement. Now Albinizi was pressed
Speaker 3: on this today by our Sky News colleague cam Reddit.
Speaker 16: The last counter was about half of those that are
Speaker 16: open the lock of ours from ain am to ten
Speaker 16: pm when you anticipate that all will be open for
Speaker 16: those full hours.
Speaker 15: And why is it that not all of them are
Speaker 15: at this stage.
Speaker 6: Well, what is occurring is that those urgent care clinics
Speaker 6: are delivering help for some one point three million Australians
Speaker 6: have received it.
Speaker 3: Neva answers the question, all right to discuss that's bringing
Speaker 3: Scott Morrison's from a media advisor now lobbyist Andrew Carswell
Speaker 3: and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Andrew.
Speaker 3: This is a major broken promise on healthcare, yet he
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be under any pressure to answer questions
Speaker 3: from journalists about it, and Sky seems to be the
Speaker 3: only media outlet that's actually taken the time to drill
Speaker 3: down on this policy.
Speaker 11: Well, we'll Shari first of all, congrats to the Sky
Speaker 11: Digital team for that story as a cracker.
Speaker 1: Look, this is just.
Speaker 11: Another labor good intention, bad delivery and we're seeing a
Speaker 11: pattern of behavior here, particularly in the care economy, particularly
Speaker 11: in age care, health medicare, even in education as well,
Speaker 11: where they have these lofty promises that are never realized.
Speaker 1: They have this.
Speaker 11: Lofty rhetoric that fall short of outcomes and we're starting
Speaker 11: to see that even in this election campaign as well.
Speaker 1: I note the intervention of the Health Minister.
Speaker 11: Today, Mark Butler, who basically said that Anthony Alberanez he
Speaker 11: had been lying to the Australian public all the way
Speaker 11: through this campaign by holding up his Medicare card and
Speaker 11: saying this is all you will need when you visit
Speaker 11: your GP under our next term. Well that's been proven
Speaker 11: to be from the Healthminess to himself that said that
Speaker 11: is not the case.
Speaker 2: James, what do you think about this?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a major broken promise from the
Speaker 3: government and yet he's running, as Andrew just says, a
Speaker 3: scare campaign against dark and over Medicare and health cuts.
Speaker 16: That's right, and I think that it's in the name.
Speaker 16: Isn't an urgent care clinics when someone is urgently in need.
Speaker 1: Of care you want the hours to be.
Speaker 16: Opened as promise, particularly in regional areas, and the fact
Speaker 16: that they aren't. As Andrews says, it's a really good
Speaker 16: example of a great idea. But then someone not looking
Speaker 16: at the data available and the number of jobs that
Speaker 16: are available and the workforce available and how it actually
Speaker 16: works and then figuring out down the track while they're
Speaker 16: not quite working is the way that they should.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 16: The problem is that the Albanezy government can really only
Speaker 16: tell us one point three million people have gone.
Speaker 1: To these clinics.
Speaker 16: They don't actually have much other comprehensive data about how
Speaker 16: effectively these clinics are working. Compared to go to the
Speaker 16: GP or anywhere else you decide to go. With the hospital,
Speaker 16: it costs about two and two hundred and forty dollars
Speaker 16: per visit compared to just forty dollars for many care
Speaker 16: for each one of these clinics, and yet the government
Speaker 16: has vowed to build dozens more in the next term,
Speaker 16: despite the fact that the ones that are opening right
Speaker 16: now don't even have the manpower to keep them opening.
Speaker 1: So that's a big problem.
Speaker 16: I'd also note on health the other thing that should
Speaker 16: be called out, and I know it's a siet issue,
Speaker 16: but one of the things that this government has completely
Speaker 16: stuffed up is the regulation of vaping products. And look,
Speaker 16: it might not be the sexiest issue, but this is
Speaker 16: a multi billion dollar tax cigarette tax excise that has
Speaker 16: been let through to the keeper. There's illegal vapes all
Speaker 16: over town. We've let this black market run riot and
Speaker 16: that should be called out criminal syndicates, you know, fire bombs,
Speaker 16: and then they suddenly go, oh geez, no one's buying
Speaker 16: cigarettes anymore. White, let's put the tax up even more.
Speaker 16: There's a big hole in the budget as a result.
Speaker 16: So on that one, Mark Butler gets a failure as well.
Speaker 3: Just back on what you both said there about Albanese's
Speaker 3: good intentions. I mean, you know, you might give him
Speaker 3: the benefit of the dart, but to me this seems
Speaker 3: like a classic case of those TV shows Utopia or Hollowman,
Speaker 3: when the politicians look for an announcable and then they
Speaker 3: have no intention of really following through, don't put the
Speaker 3: effort into it, and then you end up with a
Speaker 3: situation like this. We're only half the urgent care clinics
Speaker 3: are actually open late at night. All right, Well, let's
Speaker 3: return to the campaign. Andrew Carswell, you're you know, you're
Speaker 3: obviously a former media advisor to Scott Morrison. You were
Speaker 3: there for the supposedly unlosable campaign that Bill shot and lost.
Speaker 2: What's your sense of how this campaign's going. Well.
Speaker 11: Anthony Abaneze is certainly in the box seat, and Labor
Speaker 11: improve their position I would say in the last couple
Speaker 11: of weeks in particular and particular in Victoria and New
Speaker 11: South Wales, that that's according to the current poland that
Speaker 11: you were seeing in the market. But I would urge
Speaker 11: caution on viewing those polls as gospel.
Speaker 1: But for two reasons.
Speaker 11: One, there is still a twenty to thirty percent soft
Speaker 11: vote that's still out there and it hasn't budged.
Speaker 1: It hasn't budged since day one of this campaign.
Speaker 11: They are Australians that are just wanting to be convinced
Speaker 11: of the need to change, not yet convinced, but they
Speaker 11: haven't made up their mind yet, and they'll make up
Speaker 11: their mind late.
Speaker 1: So this thing's got a long way to run.
Speaker 11: But secondly, the vast majority of established poles that you're
Speaker 11: seeing in media throughout this campaign are based on the
Speaker 11: preferences of from twenty and twenty two. Now we're going
Speaker 11: to see a vastly different preference distribution in this election.
Speaker 1: And you'll see that work through.
Speaker 11: You know, the coalition's primary vote according to Newspoles come
Speaker 11: down from forty to thirty five. The vast majority that
Speaker 11: is sprayed left to night. It hasn't gone to later
Speaker 11: it's just parked vote. You will see thousands and thousands
Speaker 11: more of that vote come back to the coalition that
Speaker 11: you did in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So this thing's got a long way run. This is
Speaker 1: not going to be.
Speaker 11: An election that is a two party PERFERD election. It's
Speaker 11: not going to be decided on a uniform swing. It's
Speaker 11: a seat to seek contest based on that preference flow
Speaker 11: from the minor parties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, hyper localized, and I think just worth remembering
Speaker 3: that news poll is conducted by the posters who do
Speaker 3: the Labor Party polling as well. You know, James, half
Speaker 3: a million people have already cast their vote.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary. At least that was day one of voting.
Speaker 3: So do you think this says that those people have
Speaker 3: already made their mind up, but those who are undecided
Speaker 3: might cast the later.
Speaker 16: Well, I was one of them firstly that voted yesterday.
Speaker 16: And I also wonder if we actually need two weeks
Speaker 16: of pre polling in the lead up to a modern
Speaker 16: day election. I think it's pretty crazy that we have
Speaker 16: such a long time to allow people to do it.
Speaker 16: But I would say for the Liberal Party, because there's
Speaker 16: been talk in the Lib camp about rolling out potentially
Speaker 16: another policy or two between now in May three. It's
Speaker 16: too late, honestly, that should have been done by now.
Speaker 16: And I also think if you're looking at the overall strategy,
Speaker 16: I mean, Anthony Albnezi and Labor have given them so
Speaker 16: much ammunition. People are furious about cost of living. There's
Speaker 16: been changes to super, there's been other taxes added on.
Speaker 16: People are entitled to be angry about energy prices and
Speaker 16: everything else we've discussed, including health. But I don't think
Speaker 16: the Liberals, in my view, have got this campaign quite right.
Speaker 16: I'm curious to know why Andrew Hasty was left out
Speaker 16: of the limelight for a couple of days. He finally
Speaker 16: addressed the media today over his views on women and
Speaker 16: was articulate and brilliant. He was a veteran, he knew
Speaker 16: this stuff firsthand.
Speaker 1: It was his personal view.
Speaker 16: You could have a personal view on something and the
Speaker 16: party can vote in an entirely different direction. That doesn't
Speaker 16: mean that you know anything's different. So I'm amazed they
Speaker 16: did that. And I also feel like Justiner Price is
Speaker 16: still a vote winner, and I would have had her
Speaker 16: front and center a lot more with Peter Dutton because
Speaker 16: I think she was very very effective at campaigning during
Speaker 16: the voice. I'm amazed in terms of personnel. I think
Speaker 16: they were two blunders with Hasty and also just Center.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 3: My understanding is that the coalition working to get Andrew
Speaker 3: Hasty out and about campaigning, but he was reluctant to
Speaker 3: leave his seat of counting.
Speaker 2: He feels it's under threat.
Speaker 3: Whether you know whether or not it is close, we
Speaker 3: don't know yet, Andrew.
Speaker 2: I want to get your sense.
Speaker 3: The Liberals have now started rolling out the bulk of
Speaker 3: their advertising campaign.
Speaker 2: What's your verdict on their ads? Are they sharp enough?
Speaker 11: They are, and they've got the balance right between positive
Speaker 11: and negative. They can't go too negative. I think what
Speaker 11: has occurred on the other side is that the Labor
Speaker 11: Party have thrown all their eggs into the negative basket
Speaker 11: and it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's overwhelming.
Speaker 11: You know, you go through It works on a TV
Speaker 11: show at night, Yes, it does to an ax certain extent.
Speaker 11: It does early on in a campaign. By the end
Speaker 11: of the campaign you are dead tired of them because
Speaker 11: you're seeing two three sometimes in one ad break.
Speaker 1: It is over the top.
Speaker 11: So to get the balance right between the positives selling
Speaker 11: your vision but also the natives as well, so I
Speaker 11: think you'll see more. The Coalition have back ended their
Speaker 11: advertising spend to the last week of the campaign and
Speaker 11: I think that'll be quite pivotal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Andrew Cars James Willis, thank you both
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: All Right, we'll take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 3: back for more in a moment. And Sophie Elsworth joins
Speaker 3: us now from the Vatican. Sophie, update us what's happening
Speaker 3: on the ground.
Speaker 15: We'll Sharry.
Speaker 17: There's streams of thousands of people out here at Baddikin
Speaker 17: City today. I've just been inside Saint Peter's Basilica and
Speaker 17: viewed the pape lying inside there inside his coffin. Took
Speaker 17: me about three hours, Sharry, to be able to view
Speaker 17: the late Pope.
Speaker 15: It's incredibly hot.
Speaker 17: Day here at Baddikin City. There's thousands of people, thousands
Speaker 17: of mourners, thousands of worshipers, many from the religious faith,
Speaker 17: coming here to Saint Peter's Square today to pay their
Speaker 17: respects to the late Pope.
Speaker 15: But an incredible and.
Speaker 17: Very surreal experience, Shari, to witness him lying there in
Speaker 17: state and they keep moving you on.
Speaker 15: You've only got a few seconds.
Speaker 17: I had maybe five seconds viewing him and then they
Speaker 17: move you on, so it.
Speaker 15: Was a quick experience, but an incredible.
Speaker 2: One, incredible experience for show.
Speaker 3: Sophielswa, thank you so much. And that's it for me.
Speaker 3: Here's Pomurrae.