WEBVTT - Lewis Moran's last stand

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking here of a callous and self centered man,

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<v Speaker 1>probably a form of sociopath. As most crooks are. They're

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<v Speaker 1>in their sixties, they're not overly well or overly fit.

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<v Speaker 1>They live mostly on rich food and beer, and they're unarmed.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are very tempting targets. And guess what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to tempting targets. He turned to Bertie Rout and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off here. That's criminal slang for I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be killed. I'm Andrew Rule his life and crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about the.

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<v Speaker 1>Sudden death of Andrew benji Veneman, who ran into several

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight caliber bullets in a back room of a

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<v Speaker 1>Carlton restaurant while having a private chat with mcgatto, And

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<v Speaker 1>as everyone knows, that was twenty years ago plus a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. It's sort of the anniversary period now,

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<v Speaker 1>And as everyone knows, mcgadow was charged with Andrew Vanneman's murder,

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<v Speaker 1>but subsequently was acquitted with a defense of self defense,

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<v Speaker 1>which is always the best defense, although it doesn't always work,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're about to find out. Eight days after benji

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<v Speaker 1>Venomen was shot dead, there was a tit for tat

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<v Speaker 1>revenge shooting. It happened in the Brunswick Club hotel in

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney Road, Brunswick, and it was on the thirty first

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<v Speaker 1>of March two thousand and four, which makes it exactly

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<v Speaker 1>midweek and eight days after Venomon's death. Now that evening,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say five point thirty six o'clock, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>gathering of interesting people in another place in Sydney Road.

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<v Speaker 1>This was at the bellefora restaurant in Sydney Road. Right

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<v Speaker 1>up was a Brunswick Police station. And at that gattering

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<v Speaker 1>of people there were at least three people of interest

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<v Speaker 1>to us. One was Tony Mockbell, another was his brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Milad Mockbell, and a third was a highly skilled speed

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<v Speaker 1>cooker or am fhetamine's production cook who worked for the

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<v Speaker 1>Mockbell family business producing and fetamines. We can't name that fellow,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have seen a document that he signed for

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<v Speaker 1>the police later on, and in that statement he says

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<v Speaker 1>that early in that evening, while sitting in that restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>opposite the Brunswick Police station, Millard Mockbell leaned over and

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<v Speaker 1>said to him and I quote, that I should go

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<v Speaker 1>straight home that night because lewis Moran was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be killed unquote. Now soon afterwards, while our man, the

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<v Speaker 1>speed Cook and the Mockbell.

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers are still at this rett.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly they look out the window and they see a

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<v Speaker 1>huge number of police cars speeding out of the police

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<v Speaker 1>garage and turning south and heading down the Sydney Road towards,

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<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, the Brunswick Club Hotel. So the

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<v Speaker 1>balloon had gone up in the prophecy had come true. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>unless the Mockbell brothers are psychic or worse psychic, they

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<v Speaker 1>must have had inside knowledge of this hit. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>tipping that's what happened. They knew because they'd been told,

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<v Speaker 1>and they will have been told by the man who

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<v Speaker 1>undoubtedly ordered the hit, the late Carl Williams. It's striking

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<v Speaker 1>that Andrew Venomon had been buried just the day before,

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<v Speaker 1>So the biggest news story of that day and of

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<v Speaker 1>that week was the burial of Andrew Venemon. There've been

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<v Speaker 1>a big funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>Out at a Greek Orthodox church.

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<v Speaker 1>In where Sunshine, the same church where Benji Venerman, as

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little clean cut kid, had once been an

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<v Speaker 1>older boy, which could be a story in itself, but

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<v Speaker 1>now interestingly, the day after his funeral, the Empire strikes back.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Williams has organized the tit.

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<v Speaker 2>For tat hit on.

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<v Speaker 1>Really the last surviving member in a sense, of his enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>the Morans. Now it's not strictly true to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because Lewis Moran's brother, Des Morane or Tappan's Marane, was

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<v Speaker 1>still around, but he wasn't really a big member of

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<v Speaker 1>that crew. From where Carl Williams was sitting, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where he really hated the Mornes. He

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<v Speaker 1>hated the Mornes because five years earlier, in nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>on his twenty ninth birthday, he had been shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the belly in his rather large with a very small pistol,

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<v Speaker 1>and that had wounded his belly a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>wounded his pride a lot. And that, of course, as

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<v Speaker 1>everyone listening knows, was the starting point of this underworld war.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really a vendetta waged by Carl Williams using

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<v Speaker 1>lots of drug money to pay hit men to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>at his enemies. And his key enemies were the Moran brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason and Mark, by this stage already dead one killed

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<v Speaker 1>in the year two thousand one, killed in the year

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, and now their father Lewis, and

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<v Speaker 1>so this was really a sort of a royal flush

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<v Speaker 1>of Moran's and clearly organized paid for by Carl Williams

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<v Speaker 1>and or his associates. It's possible that Tony Mackbell was

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<v Speaker 1>mixed up in it as well, because obviously he knew

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<v Speaker 1>about it, so he must have been fairly close to

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<v Speaker 1>the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's talk about Barol Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis at this stage was sixty two years old, fair

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<v Speaker 1>age for a crook who has led a tough life,

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of drinking and smoking, and had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fights and all that sort of stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to some people at this point that he'd sort

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<v Speaker 1>of lost interest in life, that he didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of competitive edge that he used to have. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking here of a callous and self centered man, probably

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<v Speaker 1>a form of sociopath, as most crooks are.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was a fellow that had lost.

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<v Speaker 1>His own natural born son, Jason. He'd lost Jason's half

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<v Speaker 1>brother Mark, who was his basically foster son or adopted son,

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<v Speaker 1>and he clearly would have been knocked about by those events,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would have been deeply aware that his name

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<v Speaker 1>was on a list somewhere and that he was in danger.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been warned by the police that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he shouldn't do routine things and make himself an easy target,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had stopped drinking at the Laurel Hotel in

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<v Speaker 1>nasket Vale, much to the relief of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>owned the Laurel. I should point out those people had

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<v Speaker 1>been so keen to get rid of him as a

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<v Speaker 1>regular drinker for some time that they took note of

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite habit of drinking beer from what they call

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<v Speaker 1>ponies pony glasses. Older people will recall generally it's a

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<v Speaker 1>reference to five ounce glasses, which are half the size

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<v Speaker 1>of a pot of beer, so they're very small. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people claimed that six ounce glasses or ponies, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that. And the ponies were used by a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those old timers who spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time in pubs, a lot of crooks like them, because

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<v Speaker 1>it meant the beer was always cold. You weren't holding

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<v Speaker 1>a great big thing of beer and making it warm.

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<v Speaker 1>It meant that they could drink a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>without getting maggoted drunk. They could have you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen ponies, and in the end it wasn't that much

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<v Speaker 1>beer compared with drinking seven pots, so they would ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>drink less, I think, and it was colder, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was just their habit. That's what they like to do.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit of an old fashioned thing among those older crims. Nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they just take drugs. But anyway, so Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>Moran had finally decided that he would leave the Laurel

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<v Speaker 1>hotel and go elsewhere. Before he went, he was the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of a bit of plotting by the owners of

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<v Speaker 1>the Laurel. They said, oh, those ponies, those small glasses

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<v Speaker 1>that you like, Lewis. It's a pity, but they've all

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<v Speaker 1>been broken in the dishwasher and we can't get any more,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a bit sad, So maybe you'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a pub where they've got some. Next day,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge carton of brand new pony sized glasses arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the pub, a gift from Lewis, who had found

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<v Speaker 1>the glass manufacturer who could supply them. So the Publican

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<v Speaker 1>no longer had an excuse to stop him drinking at

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<v Speaker 1>his pub, but where he couldn't get Lewis to move.

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<v Speaker 1>The police persuaded Lewis that he was in danger if

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<v Speaker 1>he kept going to the same local pub every night,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he moved camps. He went over to very

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<v Speaker 1>tricky this. He moved at least one postcode. He went

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<v Speaker 1>across to the Brunswick Club in Sydney Road. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>if he was smart, he wouldn't go there every night.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was smart, he would have gone to other

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<v Speaker 1>places and broken up his pattern. And perhaps he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have gone at exactly the same time and left it

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same time and not got home at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, because that makes.

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<v Speaker 2>You a very easy target. But he's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he was a crook who often made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, or had at different times made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, he was enormously mean and stingy. And

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<v Speaker 1>he got into the habit of drinking at the Brunswick

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<v Speaker 1>Club hotel because it was a pokey pub and it

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<v Speaker 1>had quite cheap beer.

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<v Speaker 2>The beer there was cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a membership card which would get him in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't want to go anywhere else where the

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<v Speaker 1>beer was dearer, and so he and he's old on again,

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<v Speaker 1>off again mate. Bertie Rout, who was an old, reprobatant

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<v Speaker 1>rat bag and not nearly as tough or mean or

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<v Speaker 1>bad as Lewis Moran, but he was a crook himself

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<v Speaker 1>in a minor way, and he hung around with all

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<v Speaker 1>those guys, and he was a contemporary of theirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were all mixed up with Carlton Football Club, which

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the reasons all that crew were called

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<v Speaker 1>the Carlton Crew because some of them lived in Carlton,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of them were heavily associated with watching the

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<v Speaker 1>Carlton football team. In fact, Bertie Rout's father, Jack Rout,

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<v Speaker 1>had been a very significant figure at the Carlton Football Club.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd been one of the early presidents something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So they were connected up in that sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've established that Lewis and his old mate drinking mate,

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<v Speaker 1>Bertie Route.

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<v Speaker 3>They go to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brunswick Club at a round five point thirty most

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<v Speaker 1>nights and they stay there for like three hours and

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<v Speaker 1>drink fever to beer and then they leave and go

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<v Speaker 1>home and cooked dinner. Lewis was quite an accomplished home cook.

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<v Speaker 1>He used to watch cooking shows. They were his favorite things.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they would do now they saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as a bit of a.

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<v Speaker 1>Point of honor that you know, where old style hard men,

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<v Speaker 1>crooks blah blah blah. We're not going to be pushed

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<v Speaker 1>out of our routine, We're not going to be told

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<v Speaker 1>what to do, We're not going to dodge around, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they pigheadedly kept going to this Brunswick club.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, both of these guys were on bail,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant they couldn't really be carrying guns or weapons

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<v Speaker 1>because that would break their bail conditions. And if they

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<v Speaker 1>were picked up, which I easily could buy, and checked

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<v Speaker 1>by the police, it would mean they'd go straight back

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<v Speaker 1>inside on romand because they had certain charges that they

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<v Speaker 1>were facing. And there they were there in their sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not overly well or overly fit. They live mostly

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<v Speaker 1>on rich food and beer, and they're unarmed, so they

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<v Speaker 1>are very tempting targets. And guess what happens to tempting

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<v Speaker 1>targets the week after benji Veneman is killed. Lewis really

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<v Speaker 1>does have a bullseye on him, and so it was

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<v Speaker 1>that at about six forty pm on that day, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>first of March two thousand and four, according to Bertie Rout.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what happened, he says, and I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if the police have established if this is true. Bertie

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<v Speaker 1>Rout always claimed for years afterwards that Lewis Moran took

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call which rattled him. He took a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call which left him frightened or in fright and he

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<v Speaker 1>turned the phone off, and Bertie said he looked terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>And seconds later they hear footsteps running into the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's got a hard wooden floor, and when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>actually runs hard, it would echo, and it would obviously

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<v Speaker 1>be something violent about to happen. And as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they heard these footsteps running towards them, Lewis who must

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<v Speaker 1>have got some warning on the phone, either a literal threat,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get you now you're dead, or perhaps a call

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<v Speaker 1>from someone he knew, which he correctly intuited, was someone

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<v Speaker 1>checking where he was so that that person could give

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<v Speaker 1>the okay to the hit team. Because in the underworld

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of people who will play the role

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<v Speaker 1>of Judas, and one of the ways to set up

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<v Speaker 1>a hit in the underworld is that the hit people

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<v Speaker 1>organized for someone known to the target to help them

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<v Speaker 1>tip off where the target is, and it's a funny thing.

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<v Speaker 1>In the underworld. There's nearly always someone who will sell

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<v Speaker 1>themselves out for whatever reason, either for money or for

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<v Speaker 1>a favor, or because the other people have threatened them,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it might be. There's no doubt I think that

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis did have a short warning that he was about

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<v Speaker 1>to be attacked. He turned to Bertie about and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off here. That's criminal slang for I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To be killed.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're off, someone says I'm going to put him off,

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<v Speaker 1>that means I'm going to kill him. It's shorthand. And

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as he said that, he started to run

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<v Speaker 1>across the gaming room from the bar into the gaming

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<v Speaker 1>room and he yelled out to the woman who was

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<v Speaker 1>managing the gaming room, a lady called Sandra Sugars, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>out of the way, Sandra words that effect.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was too late.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the gunmen who had run in, there were

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<v Speaker 1>two of them. They were masked, you know, balaclavis or masks,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had guns plural. One of them had pursued

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis Moran and he went to shoot him at close

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<v Speaker 1>range with a shotgun. I'd presume a sawn off shotgun

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<v Speaker 1>and no, and behold, the shotgun jammed would didn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes you think it was probably a sawn Off

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<v Speaker 1>automatic shotgun because the other ones don't jam much. The

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<v Speaker 1>single or double shot guns very rarely jam. And that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work. So that hitman pulled out a heavy caliber

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<v Speaker 1>pistol I'd think a revolver and shot Lewis Moran twice

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<v Speaker 1>in the head at point blank range, which killed him instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>He was dead before he hit the floor. Sandra Sugars,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman who was right there watching this. She said

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing she saw was his hands up trying

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<v Speaker 1>to protect his face, and a terrible scene for her

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<v Speaker 1>to see. Meanwhile, while that shooter, Shooter one, is shooting

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis Moran, the main target the second shooter, Shooter two,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some debate about who's who and the zoo

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<v Speaker 1>and who those shooters were, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>points of today's episode. Shooter two shoots for old Bertie rout.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Bertie Routes only sin is to be a drinking

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<v Speaker 1>companion of Lewis Moran. But anyway, while they're cleaning up

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<v Speaker 1>the Carlton crew, they thought they might get him too.

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<v Speaker 1>The shooter said something like I've got you now, old man,

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<v Speaker 1>and shot him with a I think a heavy caliber pistol,

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<v Speaker 1>but it basically rendered his right hand inoperably. It was

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<v Speaker 1>almost shot off high in the arm, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>not so good for Bert. Bert claims, we can't be

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<v Speaker 1>sure of this unless someone's got the security footage. But

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<v Speaker 1>Bert said he took a bit of a kick at

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<v Speaker 1>this bug. He thought he might try and kick him

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<v Speaker 1>and kick the gun out of his hand or something

0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.320
<v Speaker 1>good thinking. But it apparently missed because the fellow shot

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<v Speaker 1>him again. And in fact, I think the shooter might

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<v Speaker 1>have emptied his pistol in the general direction of Bert route.

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<v Speaker 1>Not every bullet hit him, but plenty did, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was very badly hurt and was enormously lucky to survive,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did survive. He survived for another eleven years.

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<v Speaker 1>He lived until the year two thousand and fifteen, which

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<v Speaker 1>was eleven years later, and died in his early seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>So he lived to tell the tale, and the tail

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<v Speaker 1>he told was that his tough mate Lewis had turntail

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<v Speaker 1>and run and that he tried to kick his shooter

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<v Speaker 1>but didn't get there, which made him look a bit good,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really became.

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<v Speaker 2>The greatest story of Bert Route's.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairly undistinguished life is how he survived the hit men,

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<v Speaker 1>and his memories of that day were something he talked

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<v Speaker 1>about quite a lot to myself and several other reporters.

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<v Speaker 1>So who done it well? Clearly Carl Williams, with a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of help, possibly financially from Tony Mockbell, had organized

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<v Speaker 1>this and paid for it. There's I think phone records,

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<v Speaker 1>phone taps showing that Carl Williams said something to one

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<v Speaker 1>of these fellows. There's one hundred and fifty thousand reasons

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<v Speaker 1>to smile, referring to a payment of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars for the hit. In fact, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a total of one hundred and forty thousand was delivered. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, they clipped tenth off the price, made

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<v Speaker 1>little mistake their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>As some of these fellows do.

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<v Speaker 1>The shooters were not immediately picked up, but the police

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<v Speaker 1>would have a fair idea of who was in the

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<v Speaker 1>running to be doing such a thing. There's only a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of people around who would be up for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one giveaway for them was that the security

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<v Speaker 1>footage of the Buntu Club might have shown that just

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<v Speaker 1>behind a glove on one guy's hand or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>they saw a bit of a tattoo which identified or

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<v Speaker 1>tended to identify one of the shooters as a fellow

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<v Speaker 1>called Noel for A or Nol four. And Noel four

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<v Speaker 1>was one of a big family of habitual criminals and

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<v Speaker 1>career criminals, third generation criminal in fact, four, like the Marines,

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<v Speaker 1>were crime royalty in Melbourne. Fathers and grandfathers. You know,

0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.960
<v Speaker 1>they'd all known each other. I think some of the

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<v Speaker 1>known each other working on the docks and abatwars all

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. So on both sides of this

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<v Speaker 1>hit the shooters and the shot came from families that

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<v Speaker 1>would have known each other for fifty years or longer more.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just shows you how destructive these underworld wars

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<v Speaker 1>can get when drug money is introduced and sends everybody

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and creates these big vendettas. And soon the police

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<v Speaker 1>had a bit of a head start on this and

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<v Speaker 1>they were drawing conclusions about who might have been involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty nine days after this, that's just six weeks and

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<v Speaker 1>a bit after this, there's another shooting in Melbourne. And

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<v Speaker 1>this happens on the night of May the eighth, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, thirty nine days after the previous shooting

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<v Speaker 1>of Lewis Moran. And again I think the police had

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<v Speaker 1>a fair idea who might have been responsible, because within

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<v Speaker 1>days really they raided the SOG, the Special Operations Group there,

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<v Speaker 1>the swat team guys. They ambushed three men near a

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<v Speaker 1>shopping center and they arrested a man whose name we

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<v Speaker 1>cannot reveal here and probably cannot name.

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<v Speaker 3>Until he dies at least.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say, an old career crook.

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<v Speaker 3>That's who that guy is.

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<v Speaker 1>A career crook, been a crook all his life, vicious, evil, scheming,

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<v Speaker 1>very bad man. We will call him the old Crook,

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<v Speaker 1>or variations on that theme. The other two, well, one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was a young fellow called ange Goosis an

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<v Speaker 1>ange Gooss, it's a Greek name. Ange Gooss had been

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<v Speaker 1>a really promising boxer, middleweight boxer back in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>He was supposed to go to the Seoul Olympics in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight, as I think a light middleweight to

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<v Speaker 1>box for Australia country. He didn't go. He sort of

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<v Speaker 1>started to hang around with the bad guys, he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>trained by a very fine boxer called Paul Ferrari, who

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<v Speaker 1>was well known around Melbourne because he was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great heroes of the TV Ringside era. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a small, fast boxer that could box very very well

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<v Speaker 1>and he could teach other people how to box well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Paul Ferrari and ange Gooss's brother, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>really good guy, Ane's brother, they were very upset and

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<v Speaker 1>distraught at how ange Gooss, who was a pretty nice

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<v Speaker 1>young bloke of extremely good boxer, great reflexes, relaxed, knew

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing and knew how to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and also could take a punch. It didn't get upset

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody else hit him. So he had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the attributes of a champion fighter. But the other

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<v Speaker 1>bit of him that didn't suit was he was easily led.

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<v Speaker 1>He was too low to friends that he shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>had friends that were the wrong sort of friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>good boxes, particularly if they've got a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>size about them, attract the wrong people and the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>people in these terms of some of the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>guys who go to the fights and they duchess the

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<v Speaker 1>boxes and they want to sort of keep them as pets,

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<v Speaker 1>and they use them as quote marks, drivers or bodyguards

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, because those gangsters like to have

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<v Speaker 1>someone around who can use their fists to drive them around.

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<v Speaker 1>It means it's a sort of a safer way to

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<v Speaker 1>be defended than having guns in the car or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't want to get arrested. And so Ange

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<v Speaker 1>Goose's had become one of these guys. He would hang

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<v Speaker 1>around with tough guys and bad guys and drug dealers

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<v Speaker 1>and all the rest of it. And he became a

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<v Speaker 1>bouncer in a dandy nightclub, which is code for dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with drugs and all the rest of it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Ange had fallen into bad company and one of his

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<v Speaker 1>previous bosses had been shot dead. That was Nick Radev,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulgarian drug dealer. And after that he fell in

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<v Speaker 1>with his old crook. And the old crook he's a

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<v Speaker 1>good con man. He was a bad guy, but he

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<v Speaker 1>knew how to engage with this younger boxer, and the

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<v Speaker 1>young boxer really took to him, really trusted him. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reward he got for that, listeners, was that the

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<v Speaker 1>older guy just used him up. And when they're arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>The older guy the bad old guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He manipulated Ange Gooss and he said, look, Goose, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't afford to take the rap for the shooting because

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<v Speaker 1>I've got so much form, etc. But you are virtual

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<v Speaker 1>clean skin, which Ange really wasn't. He did have some form,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said, you'll bet it on self defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Funnily enough, just weeks earlier, Mick Gaddowood shot venemone and

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<v Speaker 1>he did subsequently bet it on self defense. And the

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>dirty old crook assured Ange Gooses that this would be okay,

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that if he took the blame that they would he'd

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<v Speaker 1>bet on a self defensing Well, guess what. It didn't wash.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't work, It didn't stack up, the forensics didn't

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:25.120
<v Speaker 1>stack up. Nothing stacked up. The dirty old crook started

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<v Speaker 1>to do deals with the police, and he betrayed the

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>young fellow Goose by persuading him to take responsibility for

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the murder Goose and Goose's the young boxer was given

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<v Speaker 1>a big sentence for his alleged part in the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>even though detectives and lawyers knew that he hadn't done

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<v Speaker 1>it and didn't believe his confession, didn't believe the statement

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<v Speaker 1>he signed and several of them advised him not to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, said, don't do it, don't do it, don't

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for this, you know it's too risky. But

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<v Speaker 1>he insisted, through some twisted sense of honor and doing

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the right thing and not being a dog and all

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, insisted on taking the wrap for the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping he would beat it with a play of self defense.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't, and he went down for the murder

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<v Speaker 1>and did a lot of time for that and subsequently,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took a long time for the police to

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<v Speaker 1>pull all these together. Goose and the aforesaid Noll four

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.639
<v Speaker 1>were charged over the Lewis Morane case, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until two and eight, four years after the Marne shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>that those two lead shooters were actually convicted and went

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 1>down for that null for an older guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>given a long sentence with twenty three minimum, and he

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<v Speaker 1>actually died in jail in twenty seventeen, a death that

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<v Speaker 1>was reported widely in our newspaper and others. Ange Gooss,

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<v Speaker 1>while he's already in jail, he goes down on the

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Lewis Morane murder. And it's hard to know about the

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Lewis Morane one. He is now claiming that he was

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 1>somehow stitched up on the Miran one as well Lewis Moran.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is of course conceivable that that is true,

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that he was somehow stitched up on the Miran one

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>as well Lewis Moran, and it is of course conceivable

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that the old reptile somehow sucked him into that and

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>made him take the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall for that. The upshot of all.

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<v Speaker 1>This, ladies and gentlemen, is that twenty years after Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>Moran's murder, everyone involved is either dead or in jail,

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<v Speaker 1>except for the dirty old crook, the manipulative, lying reptile

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 1>who organized other people to take the fall for him.

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<v Speaker 1>It would appear, and we can't be certain of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would seem likely that that man is now

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 1>as a result of giving extensive information to the authorities

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>about the underworld and shootings and all sorts of stuff,

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that he's probably been let out. He's young offsider, relatively innocent,

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.479
<v Speaker 1>young fellow, and he's doing thirty five years, which is

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a monster. It's a massive, massive sentence. Carl Williams went

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to jail and he's dead. The man who paid for

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the murder, Noel four, as we mentioned earlier, died in jail,

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>and of course Tony Mockbell, who was charged but cleared

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>over the Brunswick Club murder of Lewis Moran. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for serious drug crimes as we all know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so end of the day, they're all in.

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<v Speaker 3>Jail or dead, except for the man who arguably deserves

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<v Speaker 3>jail and death the most the law can be.

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