1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: We're talking here of a callous and self centered man, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: probably a form of sociopath. As most crooks are. They're 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: in their sixties, they're not overly well or overly fit. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: They live mostly on rich food and beer, and they're unarmed. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: So they are very tempting targets. And guess what happens 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: to tempting targets. He turned to Bertie Rout and he said, 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm off here. That's criminal slang for I'm going to 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: be killed. I'm Andrew Rule his life and crimes. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: We've talked about the. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Sudden death of Andrew benji Veneman, who ran into several 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: thirty eight caliber bullets in a back room of a 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: Carlton restaurant while having a private chat with mcgatto, And 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: as everyone knows, that was twenty years ago plus a 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. It's sort of the anniversary period now, 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: And as everyone knows, mcgadow was charged with Andrew Vanneman's murder, 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: but subsequently was acquitted with a defense of self defense, 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: which is always the best defense, although it doesn't always work, 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: as we're about to find out. Eight days after benji 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Venomen was shot dead, there was a tit for tat 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: revenge shooting. It happened in the Brunswick Club hotel in 21 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: Sydney Road, Brunswick, and it was on the thirty first 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: of March two thousand and four, which makes it exactly 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: midweek and eight days after Venomon's death. Now that evening, 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: let's say five point thirty six o'clock, there was a 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: gathering of interesting people in another place in Sydney Road. 26 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: This was at the bellefora restaurant in Sydney Road. Right 27 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: up was a Brunswick Police station. And at that gattering 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: of people there were at least three people of interest 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: to us. One was Tony Mockbell, another was his brother, 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Milad Mockbell, and a third was a highly skilled speed 31 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: cooker or am fhetamine's production cook who worked for the 32 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Mockbell family business producing and fetamines. We can't name that fellow, 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: but I have seen a document that he signed for 34 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: the police later on, and in that statement he says 35 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: that early in that evening, while sitting in that restaurant 36 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: opposite the Brunswick Police station, Millard Mockbell leaned over and 37 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: said to him and I quote, that I should go 38 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: straight home that night because lewis Moran was going to 39 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: be killed unquote. Now soon afterwards, while our man, the 40 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: speed Cook and the Mockbell. 41 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Brothers are still at this rett. 42 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Suddenly they look out the window and they see a 43 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: huge number of police cars speeding out of the police 44 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: garage and turning south and heading down the Sydney Road towards, 45 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: as it turns out, the Brunswick Club Hotel. So the 46 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: balloon had gone up in the prophecy had come true. Now, 47 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: unless the Mockbell brothers are psychic or worse psychic, they 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: must have had inside knowledge of this hit. And I'm 49 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: tipping that's what happened. They knew because they'd been told, 50 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: and they will have been told by the man who 51 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: undoubtedly ordered the hit, the late Carl Williams. It's striking 52 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: that Andrew Venomon had been buried just the day before, 53 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: So the biggest news story of that day and of 54 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: that week was the burial of Andrew Venemon. There've been 55 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: a big funeral. 56 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: Out at a Greek Orthodox church. 57 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: In where Sunshine, the same church where Benji Venerman, as 58 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: a nice little clean cut kid, had once been an 59 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: older boy, which could be a story in itself, but 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: now interestingly, the day after his funeral, the Empire strikes back. 61 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Carl Williams has organized the tit. 62 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: For tat hit on. 63 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: Really the last surviving member in a sense, of his enemies, 64 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: the Morans. Now it's not strictly true to say that, 65 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: because Lewis Moran's brother, Des Morane or Tappan's Marane, was 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: still around, but he wasn't really a big member of 67 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that crew. From where Carl Williams was sitting, which is 68 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: in a position where he really hated the Mornes. He 69 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: hated the Mornes because five years earlier, in nineteen ninety nine, 70 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: on his twenty ninth birthday, he had been shot in 71 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the belly in his rather large with a very small pistol, 72 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: and that had wounded his belly a little bit and 73 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: wounded his pride a lot. And that, of course, as 74 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: everyone listening knows, was the starting point of this underworld war. 75 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: It was really a vendetta waged by Carl Williams using 76 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: lots of drug money to pay hit men to shoot 77 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: at his enemies. And his key enemies were the Moran brothers, 78 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: Jason and Mark, by this stage already dead one killed 79 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: in the year two thousand one, killed in the year 80 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, and now their father Lewis, and 81 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: so this was really a sort of a royal flush 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: of Moran's and clearly organized paid for by Carl Williams 83 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: and or his associates. It's possible that Tony Mackbell was 84 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: mixed up in it as well, because obviously he knew 85 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: about it, so he must have been fairly close to 86 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: the organization. 87 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Now let's talk about Barol Lewis. 88 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Lewis at this stage was sixty two years old, fair 89 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: age for a crook who has led a tough life, 90 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: done a lot of drinking and smoking, and had a 91 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of fights and all that sort of stuff. It 92 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: seemed to some people at this point that he'd sort 93 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: of lost interest in life, that he didn't have the 94 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: sort of competitive edge that he used to have. We're 95 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: talking here of a callous and self centered man, probably 96 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: a form of sociopath, as most crooks are. 97 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: But he was a fellow that had lost. 98 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: His own natural born son, Jason. He'd lost Jason's half 99 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: brother Mark, who was his basically foster son or adopted son, 100 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: and he clearly would have been knocked about by those events, 101 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: and he would have been deeply aware that his name 102 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: was on a list somewhere and that he was in danger. 103 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: He had been warned by the police that, you know, 104 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: he shouldn't do routine things and make himself an easy target, 105 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: and he had stopped drinking at the Laurel Hotel in 106 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 1: nasket Vale, much to the relief of the people who 107 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: owned the Laurel. I should point out those people had 108 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: been so keen to get rid of him as a 109 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: regular drinker for some time that they took note of 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: his favorite habit of drinking beer from what they call 111 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: ponies pony glasses. Older people will recall generally it's a 112 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: reference to five ounce glasses, which are half the size 113 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: of a pot of beer, so they're very small. Some 114 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: people claimed that six ounce glasses or ponies, but I 115 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: don't believe that. And the ponies were used by a 116 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of those old timers who spent a lot of 117 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: time in pubs, a lot of crooks like them, because 118 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: it meant the beer was always cold. You weren't holding 119 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: a great big thing of beer and making it warm. 120 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: It meant that they could drink a lot of them 121 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: without getting maggoted drunk. They could have you know, a 122 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: dozen ponies, and in the end it wasn't that much 123 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: beer compared with drinking seven pots, so they would ultimately 124 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: drink less, I think, and it was colder, and that 125 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: was just their habit. That's what they like to do. 126 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: A bit of an old fashioned thing among those older crims. Nowadays, 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: of course they just take drugs. But anyway, so Lewis 128 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: Moran had finally decided that he would leave the Laurel 129 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: hotel and go elsewhere. Before he went, he was the 130 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: subject of a bit of plotting by the owners of 131 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: the Laurel. They said, oh, those ponies, those small glasses 132 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: that you like, Lewis. It's a pity, but they've all 133 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: been broken in the dishwasher and we can't get any more, 134 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and that's a bit sad, So maybe you'll have to 135 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: go to a pub where they've got some. Next day, 136 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: a huge carton of brand new pony sized glasses arrived 137 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: at the pub, a gift from Lewis, who had found 138 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: the glass manufacturer who could supply them. So the Publican 139 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: no longer had an excuse to stop him drinking at 140 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: his pub, but where he couldn't get Lewis to move. 141 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: The police persuaded Lewis that he was in danger if 142 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: he kept going to the same local pub every night, 143 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: and so he moved camps. He went over to very 144 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: tricky this. He moved at least one postcode. He went 145 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: across to the Brunswick Club in Sydney Road. And obviously, 146 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: if he was smart, he wouldn't go there every night. 147 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: If he was smart, he would have gone to other 148 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: places and broken up his pattern. And perhaps he wouldn't 149 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: have gone at exactly the same time and left it 150 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: exactly the same time and not got home at the 151 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: same time, because that makes. 152 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: You a very easy target. But he's the problem. 153 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: Even though he was a crook who often made a 154 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: lot of money, or had at different times made a 155 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: lot of money, he was enormously mean and stingy. And 156 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: he got into the habit of drinking at the Brunswick 157 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: Club hotel because it was a pokey pub and it 158 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: had quite cheap beer. 159 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: The beer there was cheap. 160 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: He had a membership card which would get him in there, 161 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: and he didn't want to go anywhere else where the 162 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: beer was dearer, and so he and he's old on again, 163 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: off again mate. Bertie Rout, who was an old, reprobatant 164 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: rat bag and not nearly as tough or mean or 165 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: bad as Lewis Moran, but he was a crook himself 166 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: in a minor way, and he hung around with all 167 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: those guys, and he was a contemporary of theirs, and 168 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: they were all mixed up with Carlton Football Club, which 169 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: is one of the reasons all that crew were called 170 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: the Carlton Crew because some of them lived in Carlton, 171 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: but all of them were heavily associated with watching the 172 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: Carlton football team. In fact, Bertie Rout's father, Jack Rout, 173 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: had been a very significant figure at the Carlton Football Club. 174 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: I think he'd been one of the early presidents something 175 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: like that. So they were connected up in that sense. 176 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: So we've established that Lewis and his old mate drinking mate, 177 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,359 Speaker 1: Bertie Route. 178 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: They go to. 179 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: The Brunswick Club at a round five point thirty most 180 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: nights and they stay there for like three hours and 181 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: drink fever to beer and then they leave and go 182 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: home and cooked dinner. Lewis was quite an accomplished home cook. 183 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: He used to watch cooking shows. They were his favorite things. 184 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: And that's what they would do now they saw it. 185 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: I think as a bit of a. 186 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Point of honor that you know, where old style hard men, 187 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: crooks blah blah blah. We're not going to be pushed 188 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: out of our routine, We're not going to be told 189 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: what to do, We're not going to dodge around, et cetera. 190 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: And so they pigheadedly kept going to this Brunswick club. 191 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: At this point, both of these guys were on bail, 192 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: which meant they couldn't really be carrying guns or weapons 193 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: because that would break their bail conditions. And if they 194 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: were picked up, which I easily could buy, and checked 195 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: by the police, it would mean they'd go straight back 196 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: inside on romand because they had certain charges that they 197 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: were facing. And there they were there in their sixties. 198 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: They're not overly well or overly fit. They live mostly 199 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: on rich food and beer, and they're unarmed, so they 200 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: are very tempting targets. And guess what happens to tempting 201 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: targets the week after benji Veneman is killed. Lewis really 202 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: does have a bullseye on him, and so it was 203 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: that at about six forty pm on that day, thirty 204 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: first of March two thousand and four, according to Bertie Rout. 205 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: This is what happened, he says, and I'm not sure 206 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: if the police have established if this is true. Bertie 207 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: Rout always claimed for years afterwards that Lewis Moran took 208 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: a phone call which rattled him. He took a phone 209 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: call which left him frightened or in fright and he 210 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: turned the phone off, and Bertie said he looked terrified. 211 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: And seconds later they hear footsteps running into the bar. 212 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: Now it's got a hard wooden floor, and when somebody 213 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: actually runs hard, it would echo, and it would obviously 214 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: be something violent about to happen. And as soon as 215 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: they heard these footsteps running towards them, Lewis who must 216 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: have got some warning on the phone, either a literal threat, 217 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: we'll get you now you're dead, or perhaps a call 218 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: from someone he knew, which he correctly intuited, was someone 219 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: checking where he was so that that person could give 220 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,239 Speaker 1: the okay to the hit team. Because in the underworld 221 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: there are plenty of people who will play the role 222 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: of Judas, and one of the ways to set up 223 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: a hit in the underworld is that the hit people 224 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: organized for someone known to the target to help them 225 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: tip off where the target is, and it's a funny thing. 226 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: In the underworld. There's nearly always someone who will sell 227 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: themselves out for whatever reason, either for money or for 228 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: a favor, or because the other people have threatened them, 229 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. There's no doubt I think that 230 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Lewis did have a short warning that he was about 231 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: to be attacked. He turned to Bertie about and he said, 232 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm off here. That's criminal slang for I'm going. 233 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: To be killed. 234 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: If you're off, someone says I'm going to put him off, 235 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: that means I'm going to kill him. It's shorthand. And 236 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: as soon as he said that, he started to run 237 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: across the gaming room from the bar into the gaming 238 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: room and he yelled out to the woman who was 239 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: managing the gaming room, a lady called Sandra Sugars, and said, 240 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: out of the way, Sandra words that effect. 241 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: But it was too late. 242 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: One of the gunmen who had run in, there were 243 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: two of them. They were masked, you know, balaclavis or masks, 244 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: and they had guns plural. One of them had pursued 245 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Lewis Moran and he went to shoot him at close 246 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: range with a shotgun. I'd presume a sawn off shotgun 247 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: and no, and behold, the shotgun jammed would didn't work, 248 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: which makes you think it was probably a sawn Off 249 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: automatic shotgun because the other ones don't jam much. The 250 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: single or double shot guns very rarely jam. And that 251 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: didn't work. So that hitman pulled out a heavy caliber 252 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: pistol I'd think a revolver and shot Lewis Moran twice 253 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: in the head at point blank range, which killed him instantly. 254 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: He was dead before he hit the floor. Sandra Sugars, 255 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: the woman who was right there watching this. She said 256 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: the last thing she saw was his hands up trying 257 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: to protect his face, and a terrible scene for her 258 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: to see. Meanwhile, while that shooter, Shooter one, is shooting 259 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: Lewis Moran, the main target the second shooter, Shooter two, 260 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: and there's some debate about who's who and the zoo 261 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: and who those shooters were, which is one of the 262 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: points of today's episode. Shooter two shoots for old Bertie rout. 263 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: Now Bertie Routes only sin is to be a drinking 264 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: companion of Lewis Moran. But anyway, while they're cleaning up 265 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: the Carlton crew, they thought they might get him too. 266 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: The shooter said something like I've got you now, old man, 267 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: and shot him with a I think a heavy caliber pistol, 268 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: but it basically rendered his right hand inoperably. It was 269 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: almost shot off high in the arm, and that was 270 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: not so good for Bert. Bert claims, we can't be 271 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: sure of this unless someone's got the security footage. But 272 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Bert said he took a bit of a kick at 273 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: this bug. He thought he might try and kick him 274 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: and kick the gun out of his hand or something 275 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: good thinking. But it apparently missed because the fellow shot 276 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: him again. And in fact, I think the shooter might 277 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: have emptied his pistol in the general direction of Bert route. 278 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: Not every bullet hit him, but plenty did, and he 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: was very badly hurt and was enormously lucky to survive, 280 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: and he did survive. He survived for another eleven years. 281 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: He lived until the year two thousand and fifteen, which 282 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: was eleven years later, and died in his early seventies. 283 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: So he lived to tell the tale, and the tail 284 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: he told was that his tough mate Lewis had turntail 285 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: and run and that he tried to kick his shooter 286 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: but didn't get there, which made him look a bit good, 287 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: and it really became. 288 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: The greatest story of Bert Route's. 289 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: Fairly undistinguished life is how he survived the hit men, 290 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: and his memories of that day were something he talked 291 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: about quite a lot to myself and several other reporters. 292 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: So who done it well? Clearly Carl Williams, with a 293 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: bit of help, possibly financially from Tony Mockbell, had organized 294 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: this and paid for it. There's I think phone records, 295 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: phone taps showing that Carl Williams said something to one 296 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: of these fellows. There's one hundred and fifty thousand reasons 297 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: to smile, referring to a payment of one hundred and 298 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars for the hit. In fact, I think 299 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: a total of one hundred and forty thousand was delivered. Somehow, 300 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: for some reason, they clipped tenth off the price, made 301 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: little mistake their own way. 302 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: As some of these fellows do. 303 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: The shooters were not immediately picked up, but the police 304 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: would have a fair idea of who was in the 305 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: running to be doing such a thing. There's only a 306 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: handful of people around who would be up for it. 307 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: I think one giveaway for them was that the security 308 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: footage of the Buntu Club might have shown that just 309 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: behind a glove on one guy's hand or something like that, 310 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: they saw a bit of a tattoo which identified or 311 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: tended to identify one of the shooters as a fellow 312 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: called Noel for A or Nol four. And Noel four 313 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: was one of a big family of habitual criminals and 314 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: career criminals, third generation criminal in fact, four, like the Marines, 315 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: were crime royalty in Melbourne. Fathers and grandfathers. You know, 316 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: they'd all known each other. I think some of the 317 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: known each other working on the docks and abatwars all 318 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So on both sides of this 319 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: hit the shooters and the shot came from families that 320 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: would have known each other for fifty years or longer more. 321 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: And it just shows you how destructive these underworld wars 322 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: can get when drug money is introduced and sends everybody 323 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: crazy and creates these big vendettas. And soon the police 324 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: had a bit of a head start on this and 325 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: they were drawing conclusions about who might have been involved. 326 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Thirty nine days after this, that's just six weeks and 327 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: a bit after this, there's another shooting in Melbourne. And 328 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: this happens on the night of May the eighth, which is, 329 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: as I said, thirty nine days after the previous shooting 330 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: of Lewis Moran. And again I think the police had 331 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: a fair idea who might have been responsible, because within 332 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: days really they raided the SOG, the Special Operations Group there, 333 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: the swat team guys. They ambushed three men near a 334 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: shopping center and they arrested a man whose name we 335 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: cannot reveal here and probably cannot name. 336 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: Until he dies at least. 337 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: But let's say, an old career crook. 338 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: That's who that guy is. 339 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: A career crook, been a crook all his life, vicious, evil, scheming, 340 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: very bad man. We will call him the old Crook, 341 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: or variations on that theme. The other two, well, one 342 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: of them was a young fellow called ange Goosis an 343 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: ange Gooss, it's a Greek name. Ange Gooss had been 344 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: a really promising boxer, middleweight boxer back in the eighties. 345 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: He was supposed to go to the Seoul Olympics in 346 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, as I think a light middleweight to 347 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 1: box for Australia country. He didn't go. He sort of 348 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: started to hang around with the bad guys, he'd been 349 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: trained by a very fine boxer called Paul Ferrari, who 350 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: was well known around Melbourne because he was one of 351 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: the great heroes of the TV Ringside era. He was 352 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: a small, fast boxer that could box very very well 353 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: and he could teach other people how to box well. 354 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: And Paul Ferrari and ange Gooss's brother, who was a 355 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: really good guy, Ane's brother, they were very upset and 356 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: distraught at how ange Gooss, who was a pretty nice 357 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: young bloke of extremely good boxer, great reflexes, relaxed, knew 358 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: what he was doing and knew how to do it, 359 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: and also could take a punch. It didn't get upset 360 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: when somebody else hit him. So he had a lot 361 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: of the attributes of a champion fighter. But the other 362 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: bit of him that didn't suit was he was easily led. 363 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: He was too low to friends that he shouldn't have 364 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: had friends that were the wrong sort of friends, and 365 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: good boxes, particularly if they've got a little bit of 366 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: size about them, attract the wrong people and the wrong 367 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: people in these terms of some of the sort of 368 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: guys who go to the fights and they duchess the 369 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: boxes and they want to sort of keep them as pets, 370 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: and they use them as quote marks, drivers or bodyguards 371 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, because those gangsters like to have 372 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: someone around who can use their fists to drive them around. 373 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: It means it's a sort of a safer way to 374 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: be defended than having guns in the car or whatever 375 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: if you don't want to get arrested. And so Ange 376 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Goose's had become one of these guys. He would hang 377 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: around with tough guys and bad guys and drug dealers 378 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. And he became a 379 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: bouncer in a dandy nightclub, which is code for dealing 380 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: with drugs and all the rest of it. And so 381 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Ange had fallen into bad company and one of his 382 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: previous bosses had been shot dead. That was Nick Radev, 383 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: the Bulgarian drug dealer. And after that he fell in 384 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: with his old crook. And the old crook he's a 385 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: good con man. He was a bad guy, but he 386 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: knew how to engage with this younger boxer, and the 387 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: young boxer really took to him, really trusted him. And 388 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: the reward he got for that, listeners, was that the 389 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: older guy just used him up. And when they're arrested. 390 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: The older guy the bad old guy. 391 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: He manipulated Ange Gooss and he said, look, Goose, I 392 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: can't afford to take the rap for the shooting because 393 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: I've got so much form, etc. But you are virtual 394 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: clean skin, which Ange really wasn't. He did have some form, 395 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: but he said, you'll bet it on self defense. 396 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: Now. 397 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Funnily enough, just weeks earlier, Mick Gaddowood shot venemone and 398 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: he did subsequently bet it on self defense. And the 399 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: dirty old crook assured Ange Gooses that this would be okay, 400 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: that if he took the blame that they would he'd 401 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: bet on a self defensing Well, guess what. It didn't wash. 402 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: It didn't work, It didn't stack up, the forensics didn't 403 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: stack up. Nothing stacked up. The dirty old crook started 404 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: to do deals with the police, and he betrayed the 405 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: young fellow Goose by persuading him to take responsibility for 406 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: the murder Goose and Goose's the young boxer was given 407 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: a big sentence for his alleged part in the murder, 408 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: even though detectives and lawyers knew that he hadn't done 409 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: it and didn't believe his confession, didn't believe the statement 410 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: he signed and several of them advised him not to 411 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: do it, said, don't do it, don't do it, don't 412 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: sign up for this, you know it's too risky. But 413 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: he insisted, through some twisted sense of honor and doing 414 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: the right thing and not being a dog and all 415 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: that stuff, insisted on taking the wrap for the thing, 416 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: hoping he would beat it with a play of self defense. 417 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: And he didn't, and he went down for the murder 418 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: and did a lot of time for that and subsequently, 419 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: and it took a long time for the police to 420 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: pull all these together. Goose and the aforesaid Noll four 421 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: were charged over the Lewis Morane case, but it wasn't 422 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: until two and eight, four years after the Marne shooting, 423 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: that those two lead shooters were actually convicted and went 424 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: down for that null for an older guy. He was 425 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: given a long sentence with twenty three minimum, and he 426 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: actually died in jail in twenty seventeen, a death that 427 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: was reported widely in our newspaper and others. Ange Gooss, 428 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: while he's already in jail, he goes down on the 429 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: Lewis Morane murder. And it's hard to know about the 430 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: Lewis Morane one. He is now claiming that he was 431 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: somehow stitched up on the Miran one as well Lewis Moran. 432 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: And it is of course conceivable that that is true, 433 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: that he was somehow stitched up on the Miran one 434 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: as well Lewis Moran, and it is of course conceivable 435 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: that the old reptile somehow sucked him into that and 436 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: made him take the. 437 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: Fall for that. The upshot of all. 438 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: This, ladies and gentlemen, is that twenty years after Lewis 439 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: Moran's murder, everyone involved is either dead or in jail, 440 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: except for the dirty old crook, the manipulative, lying reptile 441 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: who organized other people to take the fall for him. 442 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: It would appear, and we can't be certain of this, 443 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: but it would seem likely that that man is now 444 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: as a result of giving extensive information to the authorities 445 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: about the underworld and shootings and all sorts of stuff, 446 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: that he's probably been let out. He's young offsider, relatively innocent, 447 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: young fellow, and he's doing thirty five years, which is 448 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: a monster. It's a massive, massive sentence. Carl Williams went 449 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: to jail and he's dead. The man who paid for 450 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: the murder, Noel four, as we mentioned earlier, died in jail, 451 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: and of course Tony Mockbell, who was charged but cleared 452 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: over the Brunswick Club murder of Lewis Moran. He's in 453 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: prison for serious drug crimes as we all know. 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