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Speaker 1: Seeing Whip with Kate Richie Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, we absolutely adore this man. Here's a brand new

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Speaker 2: book out. I already got a couple out. He's getting

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Speaker 2: greedy now when it comes to books. The new one

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Speaker 2: is called you Don't Have to Have a Dream. It's

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Speaker 2: out now. Tim Minchin, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Books.

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Speaker 3: Just talk about books on morning radio. That'll keep driving.

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Speaker 1: I love your work, whatever you're doing into it. We've

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Speaker 1: always had to dream, Tim Heaven.

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Speaker 2: We we're always told as kids that we have to

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Speaker 2: have a dream, a five year plan, a ten year goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you want to be when you're older. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of mad, isn't it. I just I think

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Speaker 3: it did. It does damage this idea that everyone not

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Speaker 3: only like having it. There's lots of problems with the

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Speaker 3: idea of having a dream. One is if you have

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Speaker 3: to have something, you have an ambition, have a goal,

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Speaker 3: but a dream is like this thing like if I

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Speaker 3: think about it with my heart enough, I'll get there.

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Speaker 3: Obviously there's those problems, but the big problem is the

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Speaker 3: idea that when you turn fifteen or seventeen or twenty,

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Speaker 3: you have to know what your goal is is. And

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Speaker 3: I think you know the thing I say in the book,

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Speaker 3: in these speeches that the book is a collection of,

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Speaker 3: is that I think if you just concentrate on what

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Speaker 3: you're doing, like just absolutely throw yourself into whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: and that includes like washing dishes at a cafe or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and then to see what the next step is.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the general advice.

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Speaker 4: Tim uh I loved. I mean, I'm a writer as well.

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Speaker 4: I wrote an erotic fiction too, personal track.

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Speaker 3: And all those ones on the internet that you that

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Speaker 3: you wrote under the cousins.

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Speaker 4: Called my cousin. Yeah, no, no I didn't. That wasn't me.

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Speaker 4: I just did the one personal trainer one. But I

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Speaker 4: like to write down quotes when I come in, when

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Speaker 4: they come into my head. Yes, and one I wrote

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Speaker 4: down the other day which was very deep but almost

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Speaker 4: applicable to what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: How people go?

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Speaker 4: I how good's the timing? My quote is, It's not

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Speaker 4: a matter of timing. It's a matter of time.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's really good. Makes much. I mean the bumper.

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Speaker 3: That's a I call that fridge magnitude.

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Speaker 4: If you do something at a certain level for long enough, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it'll eventuate into something great.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably true. Print on the book.

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Speaker 3: Is I'm going to put a sticker more. I reckon

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Speaker 3: that there's truth in all this stuff. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: all about the timing my interpretation. So in one of

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Speaker 3: the lessons in my book is it's all about luck.

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Speaker 3: And I believe that very very very deeply, Like everything

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Speaker 3: is luck. And people go, I go, I'm just lucky,

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Speaker 3: and they go, but you've worked so hard, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't make the bit of me that works hard,

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Speaker 3: Like I got taught to work hard. I got a

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Speaker 3: brain that likes working hard. Like it's all just I

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Speaker 3: just got lucky. And so when people say it's all

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Speaker 3: about the timing, what they mean is you can't control

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Speaker 3: this stuff, but your brain is. If you just stay

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Speaker 3: completely focused, then then you've got lots of shots at timing.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you work really hard for a really

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Speaker 3: long time, the odds that you'll intersect with an audience,

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Speaker 3: or you'll intersect with a job that you like, or

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Speaker 3: you'll intersect with a person you fall in love with,

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Speaker 3: they increase because you're keeping yourself active.

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Speaker 1: You just got to keep focused.

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Speaker 2: So who was your mentor who inspired you growing up, Like,

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Speaker 2: who taught you to work hard?

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Speaker 1: Tim was?

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Speaker 3: I think I just had sort of strict parents. But

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Speaker 3: also I think it's just my genes. My dad's a

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Speaker 3: surgeon and his dad's are surgeon, and it's just this

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Speaker 3: sort of methodical, diligent work ethic. And I'm one of

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Speaker 3: four kids, and we were just expected. There was just

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Speaker 3: no taking the mick. What do your other siblings do well?

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Speaker 3: My big brother is a CEO of a not for

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Speaker 3: profit home care company for disabled and elderly people. My

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Speaker 3: younger sister is the documentary maker now mentioned who's won

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Speaker 3: heaps of awards. And my sister Katie worked for a

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Speaker 3: Live Nation and was a primary school teacher and now

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Speaker 3: she works for me.

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Speaker 1: And that's all of us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I do what I do you create

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Speaker 3: about work or is it I don't even know how

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Speaker 3: creative I am. I mean, I do a lot of

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Speaker 3: creative things, but again I take this sort of quite methodical,

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Speaker 3: unromantic view of it. I'm a storyteller, I guess, and

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Speaker 3: a songwriter and I absolutely love it. But we're not

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Speaker 1: We're like, this is my job, it's your job.

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Speaker 3: And I don't value what I do over what my

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Speaker 3: siblings or what anyone. That's another thing that I think

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Speaker 3: is in the book. This part of the don't have

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Speaker 3: a dream thing is we elevate, you know, fame, and

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Speaker 3: just because I don't know the way the world structured

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Speaker 3: and social media makes it worse. I think young people

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Speaker 3: grow up thinking that if you're not shiny or something,

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Speaker 3: that it's not valid and I just don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: When you get recognized though, how does that make you feel?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it makes you feel good? Yep, every now

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Speaker 3: and then. I would prefer it wasn't going on. But

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Speaker 3: I'm at a really good level, you know, I just

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Speaker 3: live a normal life. I'm lucky though, because I'm an

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Speaker 3: extra it or at least I really like people and

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Speaker 3: I love the interactions I have.

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Speaker 1: Under that idea, do you feel the reward?

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Speaker 4: Like when you have all the success you've had with

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Speaker 4: Matilda and it was recognized on stage and there's there's

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Speaker 4: that feel good to yours? Just in out or output.

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Speaker 3: I feel hugely grateful for everything that's gone well, and

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Speaker 3: I'm incredibly grateful for the awards Matilda's one, But that

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Speaker 3: is nothing compared to how excited I am that millions

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Speaker 3: of children have seen that show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, loved it? You know? Is that the greatest part

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Speaker 1: of the process? Is it the writing? Is it? Is

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Speaker 1: it coming up with something royalty checks? I mean that

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Speaker 1: thing just doesn't like the greatest part of the process,

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Speaker 3: Love the making of it. I sitting around a room

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Speaker 3: with a bunch of people going what if this happened? Yep,

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Speaker 3: that is amazing. I've got an idea feeling. Can you

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Speaker 3: play a game with us? How much of a musical nerd?

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Speaker 3: Are you a Broadway nerd? Are you do? You do?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Not at all?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've called it musical or crimes against music either

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Speaker 2: from a music all quotes of.

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Speaker 1: My work, because my work really that is the Van

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Speaker 1: Diigen musical or crimes against music.

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Speaker 4: Well, the funny thing is Tim said, unless you guys

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Speaker 4: have got a great game, I'm not coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love a game. I love a morning radio game.

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Speaker 1: Bond for this, You've come to the right place. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: We're going to do a Gotcha call next as well. Tim, so.

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Speaker 4: Get a video message from my mum.

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Speaker 1: Just put on a bit of Whipper's Mom. You're looking

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Speaker 1: better than last time? What al right? Here we go?

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Speaker 2: First one, A boy like that who'd kill your brother?

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Speaker 2: Forget that boy and find another? Is that from a

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Speaker 2: musical or is that from a band that has made

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Speaker 2: crimes against music?

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Speaker 1: I don't like this.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm judging people when my lyrics said

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Speaker 3: right on the line, but somewhere between very good and

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Speaker 3: maybe that lyrics sounds like a musical to me, But

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Speaker 3: that sounds like a musical.

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Speaker 1: Listen, good boy like that? You your brother? Or get

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's Sunnime lyrics. That's some wrote

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Speaker 3: that when it was like twenty five. Really Burnstein music,

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Speaker 1: Wow, extraordinary. We're going to okay?

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Speaker 2: Second one, I'm going to trade this life of fortune

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Speaker 2: and fame. I'd even cut my hair and change my name.

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Speaker 2: Musical or is that a crime against music?

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Speaker 3: I reckon that's a pop song, but I don't know

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Speaker 3: who it iss? A roster Yeah, they are massive. Do

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Speaker 3: you know that Chad huge song. Why is that a

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Speaker 3: crime against music? People are such snobs?

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Speaker 1: That's a great song.

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Speaker 2: He has an ice hockey rink in his house, does

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Speaker 2: Michael bub does he really do you go?

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Speaker 3: I know, look, I'm not I'm not going to tout

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think keeping a frozen lake in your

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Speaker 1: On if he uses solar sol that's.

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Speaker 3: That'd be a funny way to twist your soular energy

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Speaker 1: Purpose of us. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Number three, as my money gets older, let's get younger.

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Speaker 1: They sell their soul. But the devil knows I have

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a rock song as well. That

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Speaker 3: sounds like American rock.

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Speaker 1: Here when the famous Oh.

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Speaker 3: The devil come on man, that's good lyrics.

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Speaker 2: It's okay. Question number four, never again? Will we live

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Speaker 1: Never again? Now that we know that we are e v.

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Speaker 3: O LT I mean that that night, do we need

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Speaker 3: to do twenty minutes on how good that is?

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Speaker 1: It is? Okay? The last one here, This is a

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Speaker 2: Is that a musical or is that a crime against music?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a musical. I think you're spot on.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Mormon. Can I ask you about the

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Speaker 1: Book of Mormon? Amazing, unbelievable, extraordinah.

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Speaker 3: Very very good and attributed, of course to the South

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Speaker 3: Park guys. But it's Bobby Lopez deep deep Bubby Lopez.

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Speaker 3: Bubby Bobby Well, I actually.

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Speaker 1: Don't know the distribution.

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Speaker 3: But Bubby wrote a musical with puppets that had that

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Speaker 3: song it's called Avenue Q and had that song Everyone's

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Speaker 3: a little bit racist and stuff and it's super edgy.

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Speaker 3: And then the South Park Boys tapped him to do Mormon.

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Speaker 3: And then he and his wife Kristin Anderson Lopez wrote

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Speaker 3: a little musical call Frozen.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So Bubby Bobby wrote, do you want to build a

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Speaker 3: snow Man? Well, Bobby and Kristin and Kristen wrote let

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a talent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in one months and he's this really little dude,

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Speaker 1: And so the South Park Boys approached him, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Because those guys know how to write songs, but not

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Speaker 3: like that, not that that is an amazing musical and

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Speaker 3: it has its cake and eats it too, because it's

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Speaker 3: kind of a it's mocking a musical, but managers to

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Speaker 2: It's out now, your third book, this is your first,

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Speaker 3: I don't know it's much serious ones. But I've got

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit cynical about this book. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Useful life being for young kids. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a it's quite meditative love of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's loads of advice in there, but I.

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Speaker 4: Can't wait to read it. I really can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to finally do something with your life

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Speaker 3: after you've read this book. Than mister Minchin, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for coming in pleasure, thanks for having me.

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