WEBVTT - "I DON'T LIKE IT": Pam and Lara CLASH over Teagan Levi's World Cup spot | NRLW ROUND 6 PREVIEW 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.560 Welcome back to Show and Go, the place we talk 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.719 all things Women's rugby League. Pam Whaley back for more 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.640 and really I have to say we to start with 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.880 have suffered a massive case of fomo because Women's rugby 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:17.239 League was. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.520 All in Woga for Magic Round, a huge success. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.520 My mum is not happy that I did not go 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.600 home for Magic Round, but yeah, unfortunately had other stuff 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.560 yeah on this weekend. But it looked amazing. It was 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.120 beautiful and I was so thrilled to see so many 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.040 people in my hometown embracing women's rugby league. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.720 It was fun. Yeah, because we're all busy here in 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.680 the city thinking what's this going to be like? 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:41.360 Are they going to get a turnout? 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.800 The weather played its spectacular part. Obviously Season one was 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.720 absolutely ruined in Newcastle by a tsunami of rain, but 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.240 it looked fabulous in Wargo in terms of whether it 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.920 played its part, and therefore a big turnout came and 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.280 I think that's got to be the way forward, smaller 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.160 grounds for those big gala events. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.240 Yeah, well, I think it has one more year. I 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.520 think there's one more year of the agreement that the 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.319 INN has with the Newsophiles government to hold it in 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.560 a regional area, so who knows where. I don't know 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:16.080 where it's going. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.039 To be next year. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:18.880 I have asked the question. I don't think they know 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.120 yet or they're not telling me, but yeah, it'll be 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.440 somewhere in regional New South Wales, maybe Wollongong. 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.560 It might be nice to keep it there though, right, like, yeah, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.920 what's stopping them? There's no blueprint for any of this, 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.160 so you may as well build on it because the 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.720 the locals, the people in the area from far flung 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.440 country towns, can make more of an effort with knowing 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.800 you know what that's Let's put it in the diary 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.000 that was such a good Yeah, a good weekend. It 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.240 looked amazing. Yeah that's true, and then put more around it, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.680 because you know, speaking to a lot of the players, 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.200 you know they're so caught up in their week to 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.160 week at the moment that a lot of teams did 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.240 fly and fly out and they didn't get a chance. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.840 There's only I think a couple that got there early 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.440 enough to sort of play a part in the junior clinics. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.040 But if you're make it more of an event, maybe 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.720 the NL looks at getting players and teams in earlier 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.600 in the week to build up and put more around it, 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.200 because you know, then you bring the big the good 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.280 will that comes with you know, nurturing and grassroots footy. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.360 Absolutely, and in these areas that's where it's needed. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.239 He couldn't take the men's game unfortunately yet because not yet. Yeah, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.560 it could have never happened probably no, just in terms 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.480 of the scale and everything. But there's such an amazing 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.280 opportunity for the women's game to do it differently. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.760 Definitely. Yeah, And as I was saying, like those areas 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.080 sometimes feel left out and forgotten about where in Wagger 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.079 it's about five hours to Sydney, it's about four and 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.880 a half to Melbourne, so you're not it's not an 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.040 easy trip to go and see a game if you're 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.440 going up and back, or you've got to pay for 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.320 accommodation and things like that. It's a bit of a stretch. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.280 So it is nice when it comes to town because 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:00.040 everyone gets around it. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.280 Heard some stories from players that people came from as 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.040 far as Melbourne to drive up and watch their team, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.359 so you know that's what it's about, and that the 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.560 players themselves stuck around on field for as long as 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.160 they could to sign autographs and all those feel good 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.720 stories that you really can't measure the impact that that 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.519 has on the greater on the greater good of the game. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.240 So well done to all involved. And let's hope that 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.040 it's only bigger and better from here wherever they decide 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.760 to host it. Maybe Queensland once this new South Wales 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.440 government regional deal is done, we take it to regional Queensland. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.080 Yeah and yeah, because it'd be nothing worse than putting 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.760 it in a big stadium and not you know, getting 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.280 that turnout that. 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.360 We saw on the weekend. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.680 Well, let's recap what was an incredible magic round the Tigers. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.120 They got back to the winner's circle. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.320 They kicked off with a very very impressive performance over 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.280 the Sharks thirty two points to twenty Sharks in a 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.200 bit of trouble, now just one win for the season. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.160 The Roosters did it in style against the Dragons. N 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.200 kell Her became the first player to notched three hundred 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.720 points and they got that done thirty eight eight over 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.360 sin George Lawara Cowboys. Finally who on the board. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.400 For season twenty twenty six. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.400 This was a close one, Raiders though, falling away big 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.040 time from what was working for them to start the season. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.960 The Cowboys on the board eighteen to sixteen. But yeah, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.840 concerns for the Raiders. Broncos started off Sunday with a 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.839 big win over the Bulldogs thirty four to four. A 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.600 bit of drama out of that game, we'll talk about 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.320 a little bit later. Ali Brigginshaw sinbind was a descend off. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.560 Were weigh in on that and the Titans Wereriors game 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.080 of the round and it lived up to it in 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.640 terms of the tight nature of the contest. The Warriors 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.239 mounted a second half fight back but fell just short 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.520 eighteen sixteen. The Titans are rising week to week right now, 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.440 and the Knights capped it off with a big win 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.640 over winless Paramatt at thirty two points to twelve. So 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.279 a couple of tight contests and a couple of big 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.760 score lines in the other games. But we talk about 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.320 the breakdown now and at the halfway point of the season, Pam, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.039 we kicked off the competition suggesting that this is a 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.919 two horse race now at the halfway point five games in. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:14.839 Do you feel any differently. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.200 Um, not particularly. I think the Titans are doing great. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.719 I think they could definitely challenge the Roosters and the Broncos. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.600 But I don't really see the Roosters and the Broncos 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.360 losing twenty one but each other. How do you feel? 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.479 I reckon the Titans pushed the Roosters in the first 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.360 game if we look back on it, whether they did 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.440 that through slowing down to play the ball, which is 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.240 what John Strange suggested. However, they did it. They tried 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.760 their best. The Broncos were pushed by the Sharks and 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.120 the Knights. Yeah, but again, couldn't. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.000 They But they kick away back and then they'll score 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.200 twenty points, you know, in the final twenty minutes or 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.200 something like that like it. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.440 Yeah, they do get. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.360 No one's saying they're easy games. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.599 But you can't see anyone knocking them in it. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.280 Yeah, the game of the season will therefore be the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.599 russ and the Broncos in a couple of weeks, time to. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.640 Say, yeah, round seven, who truly is the. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:11.359 Best of the best. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.039 But I think it's going to continue to be a 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.599 question for everyone or a statement, this two horse race 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.960 thing until somebody does that knocks off the Roosters all 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:26.159 the Broncos. And it has continue this conversation throughout the 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.680 whole season where fans get irritated, players are getting irritated 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.880 by the suggestion of a two horse race. We've come 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.760 up with plenty of ideas of how to spread the talent, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.520 and even players themselves have come in. Therefore, you got 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.560 a great article with the ROLPA responding to all of 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.239 this chatter last week and they've shut down a certain 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.039 suggestion of a teared system. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:49.440 Yeah. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.000 So the suggestion of a tied system, I think you 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.520 raised it. It's been raised before. I've certainly raised it. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.680 It's been talked about on how to spread the talent 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.279 throughout the NW and that was just one option. But 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.320 the RPA has said no, it will not form part 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:09.160 of the the next CBA negotiations. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.240 They don't like it. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.840 They believe the way to spread the talent throughout the 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.920 NLW is by increasing the salary gap, which I do 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.760 agree with. I mean, the salary cap doesn't work at 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.440 the moment because it's not a big enough difference between 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.120 the highest paid players and the lowest paid players. And 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.320 the main forms of currency then or in terms of 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.920 value to players are where am I going to have fun? 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.120 Where am I going to win? Where has the best facilities, 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.520 what's you know, where do I want to live? 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.920 Like the increase in the salary cap going to change 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.000 those priorities. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.360 Because then well they're still going to be priorities. But 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:54.200 you can you can't then have you know, eight, you know, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.040 state of origin representatives in one team, because that because 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.920 then they can be offered three hundred that at another club. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.640 But I don't want the lady. I think they'll take less. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.400 You think that they would not take it if there 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.400 was if the difference was one hundred thousand dollars, of 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.840 course they would, Like why do you think Stephen Crichton 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.520 and JOm Leueye and all these players left Penrith like that? 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.200 But that's you're dealing in hundreds of thousand dollars. I 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.520 still don't think that's what is going to go up 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:21.840 that much in the women's game. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.880 No, That's what I'm saying is that it needs to 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.640 be a significant difference between the top and the bottom, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.120 even if it's fifty grand. Like what we're talking about 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:30.760 the moment is the difference between See, I. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.439 Don't even think they'll leave for fifty grand. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:33.280 I really don't. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.560 I think these girls are so happy in those systems 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.679 because of the program so I think it's more in. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.800 Fifty grand would be more than half of what they're 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:41.679 on at the moment, like. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.800 Some potentially, but I think I think more of more 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.200 of them are motivated to play well, to be improved 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.760 as players. I think that's underestimated for a lot of 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.280 these girls. They love being coached by the coaches at 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.720 the Broncos and the Roosters, and the programs that those 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.360 two teams offer are like light years ahead of all 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.720 the other plus, so I think that's underestimated. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.120 I think it's more important. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.760 I think Holly Wheeler brought it up on our show 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.120 last week, it's more important to increase the soft cap 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.120 so that because clubs are not going to spend money 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.040 on their program like it's clear that other than the 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.360 russ and the Broncos who've made it a priority, some 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.640 clubs are trying to catch up now and they're seeing 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.200 the value in adding to the women's game. But until 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.400 they get given the money by the NRL, which is 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:22.760 what they do in the men's game, I think they 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.120 give five million or four million to the men's game 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.640 in a soft cap to run their football department. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:29.200 Football. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.320 I'm not saying you're going to get that for the NROLW, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:36.200 but even a small portion of that to pay full 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.000 time physios, to pay full time football managers, whatever it is, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.360 to beef out their program, to make it appealing for 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.840 the girls to move. It is going to be about money. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.080 But I don't know. I hear the girls talk about 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.040 how much they love playing together, and it's going to 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.680 be a lot. I think it's going to be more 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.640 than just fifty K two that's just them away. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.000 That's just a kind of a number. But it needs 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.520 to be a significant number to be a active, to 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.600 be able to move, because that's what I'm saying. The 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.080 salary cap doesn't it's just kind of an arbitrary number 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.880 at the moment, doesn't really function because it doesn't have 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:11.640 I mean, it functions in the way that. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:17.280 It's need to like double yes and yeah as it should, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.440 Yeah no, it should, but not moving towards prefet This 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.760 is the only way these things. 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.240 That's the reason why there's so many issues at the 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:29.400 moment is because they are part time athletes, so yes, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.360 all those other things have to come into consider, Like 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.320 that's why it's such a puzzle around scheduling around their 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.679 other jobs, around jobs for players and why the richer 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:44.400 clubs can afford to have more players working for them, Yeah, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.800 as opposed to some of them. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.200 But also they choose to do that. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.400 They make that choice to find those jobs within the clubs. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.360 So I think that over but. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.480 A functioning, proper healthy salary cap where none of that, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.959 where you can't give players jobs, where there's none of that, 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.360 that takes away all of it. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.240 Is that what's going to happen. Yes, the new CBA 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.559 will take the job away. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.480 I don't necessarily know if it's going to be in 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.240 the new CBA. That's what the future is, because that's 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.320 what the NRL is, That's what that's how I mean. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:17.199 There's issues with the NROL salary cap at the moment 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.640 as we're seeing with you know, P ANDNG and things 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:24.559 like that, but that's how it needs to function. That 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.079 good teams cannot just keep all of their good players 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.200 that they've developed and just keep them for you know, 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.120 ten years and have a dynasty. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:37.680 Yeah. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.000 I think that part of it is important to go 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.560 back to because fans are very disheartened by that. If 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.200 you're not a Roosters or Broncos fan, you're annoyed, which 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.880 is what we love about rugby league is you know, 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.800 you want to be passionate, and that's okay to be passionate. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.680 That's the only reason why we're bringing it up, because 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.080 if you don't have a fans, you don't have an 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.800 NROLW However, I think I'm having thought about it. We're 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.640 kind of in an era that we were in fifty 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.920 sixty seven years ago with the men when they weren't 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:09.000 full time professional and they had jobs, and we saw 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.480 some George w eleven in a row, and we saw 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.840 the Eels dominating the eighties and they had incredible teams 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.160 that would not happen now. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:18.839 And I don't know, I'd love to. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.240 It wouldn't happen now in the NRL. Yeah, I mean 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.280 it kind of has with Penreth at the moment. But 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.920 that's the kind of freakish in what they're doing with 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.400 their pathway systems and how they're able to keep a 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.679 system running while losing a lot of their top players 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.839 because they can earn double the amount at another club 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:43.280 and why not go and set your family up. But yes, 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.680 it's funny to think of where we are now where 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.040 we could be, and that's why we have these conversations 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:56.520 to push to push so that things do change, so 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.200 that we are moving towards the future. We want to 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:00.440 know what the future looks like. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:06.280 And there's no one sitting here saying, oh, the russ 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.600 and the Broncos are doing the wrong thing. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:08.680 No one's suggesting that. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.880 No one's saying they've got an easy run. No one's 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:11.840 saying like they were. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.280 No one suggesting it they don't work hard. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.280 No one is saying that the girls should be pulled 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.120 apart all that sort of stuff. It's not about an 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.400 individual thing or it's just a concept of the integrity 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.559 of the competition. That it's not a level playing field 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.800 at the moment, and that's what fans can see easily 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.400 doesn't pass the pup test. All right, let's get stuck 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:39.760 into She Cooked for Magic Ground and Pam who deserves 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:40.920 a shout out for you this week? 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.679 Well, obviously, the Cowboys won their first game, so. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.199 That good love to the cast. Give them some love. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.600 So Mackenzie Wheel obviously their prop. She played seventy minutes 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.480 in that game, one hundred and thirty meters. She was 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.240 outstanding in that, so got to give her. 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.600 Yep a rap and hopefully the Cowboys can keep it 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.720 going and this is the start of good things for them. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.400 Now for me, it goes to or just a try 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:11.000 for her try effort Julia Robinson from the Broncos. I 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.360 don't know luck, just because then we can show, if 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.760 you're watching this on YouTube, the vision of how she 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.360 managed to put this ball down and not hurt herself 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.920 as well. And it's only something that probably Julia Robinson 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.320 can do. The Broncos are amazing continuing on their winning 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.200 run and they will do that when she's doing things 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.960 standing on her head to score try. So well done 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.920 to Julia. Time for Pitt or Pam pick aside who 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.720 wins this debate? Now this center our dobby season. The 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:46.520 standouts most weeks have been our super our rugby union converts. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:51.960 Our seven converts have been incredible and it begs the 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:56.440 question would you pick Teague and Levi for the World Cup? 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.880 She has had an unbelievable start to her transition into 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.720 rugby league at the Titans. Go Pam, you're going to say, 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.960 does she deserve to be picked in the jil es 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:08.960 at the end of the season. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.520 I don't like it, you don't like it. I don't 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.360 like it. I think so. Essentially, how it works with 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.880 her contract is she's got an ENERROLW contract that will 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.160 finish at the end of the aneral WS, so October 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.880 thirty one is her last day in the NERLW program. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.960 Rugby Australia are like fiercely protecting this girl. There is 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.480 no way they are going to it. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.280 Who cares. What do you want to do? Would you 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.320 want her in your World Cup team? I can't. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.120 Yeah, of course if I if I had a World 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:42.080 Cup team, yes, no, no, no. I don't think it is 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:46.640 fair for a player to come across for one year 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.120 and yes, obviously kill it, but then to take up 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:56.000 a position from somebody else, especially in that Jilares team, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:00.200 which is like the best international women's rugby league team 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:01.120 in the world. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.720 So you don't think marky Mark should play for the 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.040 Kangaroos at the end of the year, he's going to rugby. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.520 I don't love it. No, I think it. I think 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.520 if you're going back to rugby, I think we need 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.800 to reward the players that have been playing rugby league 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.600 and are devoted to rugby league and this is where 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:24.080 they are invested and they are have probably grown up. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.560 But what if she if she wants to stay. What 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.800 if we give her a Jilla's taste and she wins 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.040 a world cut with us, she might stay and would 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:33.640 that be okay? 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.560 You don't think she's saying no. You don't think she's 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:38.800 she's going straight. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.440 She would earn probably close to two hundred grand at 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:48.920 Rugby Australia and she's on nowhere near that with the Titans, 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.080 and she then has the opportunity to then next year 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:59.040 she goes into a preparation for the Olympics in twenty 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.560 twenty eight. I mean, that's just a carrot that we 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 don't have here in rugby league. She's going back to 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:09.200 Rugby Australia. She whether she comes back after the Olympics, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.880 when she comes back in the future. I think she's 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.440 twenty two, twenty three years old, she's still very young. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.639 I think that will happen eventually if she's having a 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.480 good time here. But I don't think there's enough of 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.560 enough cash. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.919 Well, don't think for a second that the Kiwi Ferns 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.480 are not inviting all their rugby converts to play in 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.280 their side. If they are good enough, if they have 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.000 an unbelievable n r Old Doby who season debby picking them. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.800 So I don't see sure, I don't see why it 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.159 teaging Levi. If she wants to play and they pick her, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.000 I don't know where or what they would need her 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.879 for because we have Taron Aiken and Jesse southwell. But 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.680 perhaps she's a utility off the bench and can cover 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.359 a number of positions and is an incredible strike weapon 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:44.840 you could have. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.440 But you could see how this would really annoy Rugby Australia. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.800 So yeah, who cares no, But let me make this point, Lara, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.160 So they have put in a lot of development into 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.359 this player and allowed her a season to come across 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:04.040 and play, to then go back and then be a 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.760 part of their Olympics. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.840 So it's bad for them. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.440 For sure, it's bad and there's just no way they're 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:11.439 going to allow her to. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.720 So do you think that's fair that that governing bodies 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.879 have the right to stop female athletes who are not 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.800 full time professional yet making the most. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.600 We even though she wants to, she's never said that, but. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.400 She wants to play for the Jilarus What if she could? 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.480 She's got nothing to do in October now she could. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.840 But like we're totally speculating at bottom line, there is 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.920 no way Rugby Australia are going to let that happen, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.200 whether she wants to or not. Okay, but we don't 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:36.040 even know if she wants to. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.399 This will be a big This will continue to be 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.400 a conversation around players that come across for a year. 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.080 There'll be rep footy jerseys up for grabs. So my 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.080 personal view on it is if they want to in 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.600 a time where it is tricky for female athletes to 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.720 make coin to get the most out of their careers, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:55.920 they should be allowed to do it. 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.160 I understand that it's not in rugby's best interest. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.399 Maybe it's not in nerldw's best interest, yeah, you know 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.159 in terms of developing our own who want to stick around. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.560 But we've seen female athletes do it a lot. At 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.199 least Perry's done it in cricket. She played for you know, 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.840 Australian cricket and Australian football. Why is it different because 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.640 it's two codes of football, Like it's just because rugby 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.760 of course is a huge rival of rugby league and 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.520 we see it in the men happen all the time. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.440 Obviously there's very strict rules around you can't cross codes 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.359 year on year in the men's I can't see that 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.320 coming in for the women. From the nrlw's point of view, 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.080 maybe Rugby Australia is going to be more staunch in 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.280 their contracts of saying you can't jump and crossover year 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.000