WEBVTT - Sharri | 9 July 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.239 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:09.479 This is Sharry, Good Evening and welcome. Coming up tonight, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.440 Anthony Albernezi's set to announce a plan to tackle anti 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.400 Semitism that includes outcomes from our. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.520 Sky New summit. I have those details in a moment. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.560 Also tonight, the Secrets of the mushroom Killer, Aaron Patterson's hidden. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.239 Addiction to true crime. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.880 That's coming up, plus why has Trump shut down the 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.160 Epstein Files? I talk about this with world famous journalist 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.880 Michael Schellenberger, and Penny Wong refuses to say if she's 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.120 been duped by a Marco Rubio impersonator. But first tonight, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.360 new details are emerging about Aaron Patterson's life and what 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.519 drove her to a point where. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.360 She killed three people with a deadly lunch. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.960 The journalist who originally broke the story, John Ferguson, has 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.920 met Aaron Patterson and describes her as cold, mean and vicious. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.800 He says she's lied so much that it's now hard 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.280 to determine fact from fiction. He points to the untruths 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:17.160 about her having ovarying cancer, the use of her multiple phones, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.399 lies about foraging for mushrooms, whether she owned a dehydrator, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.480 and how she was wearing white pants on the day 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.920 she claimed to be suffering from food poisoning as a 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.920 result of the beef Wellington meal. Ferguson will be on 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.160 the show tonight. He describes it beautifully, saying that at 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:42.679 the center of her life was a pathetic graveyard of fiction. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.360 Not completely normal around the way she was responding, But 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.520 the number one thing was that I could tell she's 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.400 really bright. And that's kind of unusual because usually when 0:01:55.480 --> 0:02:00.360 you end up in these any sorts of big crime 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.920 alleged crime stories, they tend to be if it's not 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.880 white color crime, it tends to be lower as socioeconomic, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.359 whereas you could see here that's a woman or means, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.200 you know, from everything we're told, it's a good mother, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.320 you know, and extremely well educated. So there's a few 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.280 sort of little differences in this story. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.960 And John Ferguson will be on the show a bit later. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.120 But even for someone who's unusual, as he says, and 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.840 prone to lying, the cruel way in which Aaron chose 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.520 to murder her in laws Don and Gail Patterson, and 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:45.280 also Gail's sister Heather, is inexplicable. They suffered the excruciating 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.880 pain of organ failure from the death cap mushrooms, a 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.440 slow and painful death. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:54.359 It's a miracle that. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:59.280 Baptist pastor Ian Wilkinson survived after spending weeks in an 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.760 induced come and given he was the only person to 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.960 live after that death cat mushroom meal, his evidence was 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.280 crucial during the trial. He said that he and his wife, Heather, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.320 were so sick after the lunch that they slept next 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.840 to the toilets at their home before being taken to hospital, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.919 and the doctor who was on call at the hospital 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.280 when Aaron arrived said she was faking symptoms, and he 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:30.120 describes her in brutal terms. Doctor Christopher Webster said that 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.320 she is a colorous, calculated killer. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.360 There is an eerie sort of disquiet that you have 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.720 in her presence, but it's not the typical sort of 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.720 scary ogre type fear that you have. 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:55.200 It's more visceral than that. It's sort of, you know, her. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.160 Oddness gets under your skin and penetrates your brain. Then 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:06.000 she's not it's not pleasant to be around her. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.560 When Aaron Patterson told doctor Webster that she bought the 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:15.040 mushrooms at a supermarket, he said he knew she was guilty. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:16.640 Where to get the mushrooms? 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.159 And that's when she said Wilworth And I'm like, yeah, okay, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.279 that's you're guilty. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.800 I knew from that moment. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.479 And the audio is now in the public domain for 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.640 the call that he then made to police right after 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.000 her hospital visit. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.120 This is doctor Chris Webster calling from Lee and Gatha 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:42.599 Hospital and I have a concern regarding a patient that 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:48.120 presented here earlier but has left the building and is 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:53.400 potentially exposed to a fatal toxin from mushroom poisoning. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.400 And so began a lengthy police investigation. They found that 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.840 Aaron led an isolated existence. She spoke about her upbringing 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.279 in messages that were published by The Australian Today. In 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.600 the messages, she said, we had a horrible upbringing. Mum 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.160 was essentially a cold robot. It was like being brought 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.560 up in a Russian orphanage where they don't touch the babies. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.440 Dad wanted to be warm and loving to us, but 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.120 Mum wouldn't let him because it would spoil us. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.240 So he did as he was told. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.440 But none of that explains her cruel murder of three 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:35.240 kind hearted elderly people, or her bizarre reaction to it. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.040 It's a tragedy. 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:37.760 What's happened? 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.520 Can you tell us about the meal that you pulled? 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.920 So devastated by what's happened, but the loss of Donning. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.520 Don is still in hospital, the bossome Ian and Heather 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.479 and Gale. It was some of the best people that 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:58.160 I've ever met. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.280 Looking back at that now we know they were crocodile 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:08.839 tears shed for good, decent people that Aaron Patterson deliberately 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.880 murdered in a cruel way with still no possible motive. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:19.800 Now. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.880 Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi will front the media tomorrow alongside 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.680 Special Envoy Julian Siegel as she presents her plan to 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.680 tackle anti Semitism. My understanding is that her recommendations will 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:37.120 include many of those from our Sky News Antisemitism Summit. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.720 At the conclusion of our summit, Alex Ripchen from the 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:45.560 Executive Council of Australian Jury presented a fifteen point plan to. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.520 Help tackle the crisis. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.200 Yet the Albenzi government entirely rejected it. Alberizi himself wrote 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.120 a letter back refusing to adopt a single one of 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.360 those recommendations. Of course, that was before the Federal election, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.480 when he was more worried about upsetting the Muslim community 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:10.240 than taking proper action on the hatred against Jews. But 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.920 the election is now over, and the antisemitism crisis, of 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.440 course hasn't abated, with a synagogue firebombed and a restaurant 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:23.320 stormed just on Friday night. And so tomorrow the Prime 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.720 Minister will stand alongside Jillian Siegel and commit to taking 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.960 action to protect the Jewish community. Now the question is 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.640 whether the Prime Minister will support her plan, and my 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.040 sources tell me he does already have a copy of 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.160 her comprehensive report. His decision to hold a press conference 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.080 on this topic this week comes after he's been under 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.840 sustained pressure over his lack of action on antisemitism, and 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.880 specifically he's been under pressure to commit to the fifteen 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.880 point plan from our summit. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:58.600 He's like gutive. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.760 Counsel, an Australian jury is pleading with you to reconsider 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.679 or to least to consider their February proposal to stop 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.040 anti Semitism in Australia. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:07.160 Will you do that? 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:07.840 And if not, why not. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.080 What we're doing is working with the Special Envoy. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.040 Shadow Foreign if As Minister Michaulia cash and Liberal Senator 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.960 James Patterson put pressure on alban Easy to adopt. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.320 This plan on my show this week. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:28.560 He has been presented with a constructive list of recommendations 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.400 by the people who have been affected most egregiously by 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.079 antisemitism in this country. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.679 Is they thought that antisemitism would go away on its own, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.520 that it wouldn't require leadership, that it wouldn't require action, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.360 that it wouldn't require fortitude, that it wouldn't require strength. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.960 I hope they have now been absolved of that false assumption, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.640 because this is a crisis, it's an ongoing one, it's 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.600 getting worse, and it requires leadership and action now. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.320 So, as I said, my understanding is that some of 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.080 those recommends from our summit will be included in the 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.439 plan Jillian Siegel announces tomorrow. But the question remains where 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.079 the Albanesi and Tony Burke decide to adopt these recommendations. 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.280 And if Albanezi does adopt them, well, why did he 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.560 reject them earlier this year? And I can't help but 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.400 wonder if it's because the election has come and gone. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.920 And if that's the case, the conclusion is that the 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.840 Jewish community were the victims of political expediency where the 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.720 Albaneze government didn't want to lose Muslim votes and so 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.840 didn't confront the anti Semitism challenge. And this is a 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.640 sobering thought and it is most likely the case. The 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.439 change in tone from the Albanese government in recent days 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:53.600 is noticeable and quite astonishing. Lifelong pro Palestinian activist Tony 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.360 Burke seemed to grasp the gravity of the situation we're 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.960 facing when he stood outside East mel And Synagogue on 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:01.560 the weekend. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:12.120 Arson attacks, the chanting calls for death, other attacks and graffiti. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.040 None of it belonged to Australia, and they were attacks 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.200 on Australia. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.680 The chanting calls for death, the vandalism, the graffiti, the 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.960 fire bombing. This has all been going on for months 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.320 and months and months, and in fact some of it 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.840 started right after October seven. Yet we're only hearing this 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:37.080 language now, and this change in sentiment is also reflected. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.440 In parts of the media as well. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.520 The ABC has been the worst perpetrator of anti Israel 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:48.280 propaganda since October seven and before. There are too many 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.560 examples to count of how they continually choose to portray 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:57.600 Israel as the villain and make false claims about unethical conduct. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.000 There are experienced journalists who must know the truth but 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.000 deliberately report. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.240 A biased view of the war. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.920 So it was refreshing and surprising to see some solid 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.480 reporting this week on the ABC. The ABC seven to 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.800 thirty program did put tough questions to the activists who 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.720 stormed the Melbourne restaurant. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.720 Does that help your cause? Does it help your cause 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.719 to be scaring diners on a Friday night in Melbourne? 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.079 Imagine lying on a hospital bed in a tent as 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.280 a displaced person, or trying to keep your starving children 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:35.440 safe in a tent. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.960 But those people were just they're just going out for dinner, 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.600 you know, they're just trying to have a nice dinner. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.040 On Hardware Lane, it must have occurred to you when 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.240 you've seen the coverage that a lot of people find 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.880 this very objectionable. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:53.040 Do they find the murder, naming, genocide objectionable? 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:59.319 Norman Hermann's questions were spot on, and then ABC journalist 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.800 Patricia Callis wrote a surprisingly great article where she makes 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.680 some excellent and intelligent points. She says, there's been a 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.440 suggestion that people who are repulsed by anti Semitism don't 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.000 therefore care about Gaza, and she says this is a 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:22.160 narrative that has been constructed to justify the unjustifiable. And 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.000 she writes about how it's not just government and leaders 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.880 who need to take action, but she says it's the 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.440 collective responsibility of all to ensure that Jews feel like 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.800 they belong as free citizens in our country. Patricia writes 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.400 the attacks on Jewish people in Melbourne on Friday night 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.840 should send chills down the spines of all Australians, Jewish 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.400 and non Jewish who value diversity, culture, and the right 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.840 to be safe. She says, I've seen online a view 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.480 that we should only and exclusively be concerned about the 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.000 death and destruction in Gaza, that by even discussing the 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.360 anti Jewish attacks in Australia, we have somehow made a 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.600 choice to accept what we see unfold in the Middle East. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:09.439 She says it's time to call out this dangerous binary. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.360 This is a false and despicable choice by bad faith 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.720 actors unwilling to confront the frightening position they are putting 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:23.400 Australian Jews in attacking Jews in restaurants, in synagogues and 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.360 on our streets. Is deeply rooted in anti Jewish sentiment 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.120 and in anti Semitism. How can it be an act 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.679 of political expression and protest to. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.640 Target your fellow citizens? 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:40.679 And she asks what kind of cognitive dissonance and radicalization 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.520 has happened to convince anyone that this behavior is anything 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:52.240 other than violent hate. Now you wouldn't blink an eelet 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.839 at a at a column like that on Sky News 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.800 or in the new Scott publications, but we haven't seen 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:05.400 comprehensive coverage of antisemitism at the public broadcaster. And her 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.800 message of collective responsibility to address this scourge carries weight 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.960 coming from a senior journalist at the ABC, because too 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:20.480 many of the ABC reporters are pro Palestinian activists who 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:26.880 you'll never ever hear uttering a word about hatred against Jews. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.760 And so it's in this changing climate that finally Albanzi 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.320 is expected to speak out tomorrow about antisemitism, and we 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.920 hope he'll endors Jillian Siegel's action plan, some of which 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.400 was developed during our summit, and standing up at the 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:50.640 press conference alongside Albanesi will be Tony Burke. In twenty seventeen, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:57.000 the pair were headlining a policy forum on Palestine alongside 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:02.920 anti Israel activist Bob Carr. Now this pair are in 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:07.960 charge of solving the anti Semitism crisis. Now, we can 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:13.840 never forgive alban Ezi, Burke, Penny Wong and others for 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.120 how they've allowed this crisis to flourish, how they've put 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:23.520 our families in danger, how they've ruined Australia causing it 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.560 to be a violent, racist, unsafe. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.760 Country for Jews. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.560 But this is the federal government, our Australians, our fellow 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.240 Australians elected. This is the government we've been dealt with 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.240 at this point in time. And unless you're going to 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.080 leave the country, well for as long as we continue 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.480 to live here, we don't have another option. And so 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.520 we need to urge the Albanzi government to take serious 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.160 action on anti Semitism, and we need to hope that 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.320 they fully endorse Jillian Siegel's. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.320 Action plan tomorrow. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.160 All right, let's bring in our panel now, big show 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.080 coming up, as I said Michael Schellenberger shortly on the 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.480 Epstein files, John Ferguson on the Mushroom case of it later, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.800 but now let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.640 Michael Kroger and a labor legend, Graham Richardson, great to 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:19.360 see you both. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:20.680 Michael. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.440 We've had this antisemitism crisis for twenty one months now. 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.160 Why do you think the Prime Minister is only taking 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:29.840 it seriously now? 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.520 Well, because when you have a second synagogue firebombing, when 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:42.040 you get restaurants trashed by these radical left wing activists, 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.760 when you get cars defaced, when you get another Jewish 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:55.320 restaurant in Melbourne on the weekend defaced, it's getting worse 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.040 and worse. And I think Albany's is the point now 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.440 where under his watch and it'll forever be a staying 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.439 on his Prime ministership. Things have deteriorated since Penny Wong's 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:10.440 appauling comment after October seven that Israel needs to exercise restraint, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.720 and it's been downhill from there. So I think it's 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.680 got to a point now where things are so bad 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.000 he's being forced to do something he doesn't want to do. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.159 We know he doesn't want to do anything. He's a 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:26.280 left wing pro Palestinian activist by historical definition, Tony Burke 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.159 of all people, for goodness sake, Well, that'll give the 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.560 Jewish community a great deal of comfort to have Albanezy 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.160 and Burke up there on the padium. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.160 All you need is. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.359 Penny Wong and that'll send people right off. So I 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.520 think he's been forced in to do something through sheer, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.639 embarrassment and outgoing And now with the comments you've just 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.560 reported of the ABC and Patricia Cavellis, this is now 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.560 widening away from the Jewish community and right thinking Australians 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.080 to a lot of other people who think that's got 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:56.439 to stop. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:57.240 It's got to stop. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.359 And maybe that's maybe that's what it is. 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.400 Maybe it's now he's under pressure from other media outlets, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.080 not just Newscott I think so. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:05.880 Rich. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.600 As Michael just points out, we know a leopard can't 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.160 change its spots. So do you have any confidence that 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.119 Tony Burke and ALBINIZI are going to suddenly take this 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:16.240 issue seriously. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.960 I believe they've always taken it seriously. It's just they 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.000 have a different view, I think to a lot of people, 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:31.040 including yourself and probably me, I understand that. I think 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.800 I've never liked the view that Anthony or Tony have 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:42.399 on this, even as a labor men. I can't justify that. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.399 I think they're wrong, and I've always had the same 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.000 view on this question. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.240 I mean, I don't mean to disagree, but I think 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.960 you can have a different view on the wall, But 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.040 on racism, I just don't think you can have a 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.199 different view. I think there's right and there's wrong, and 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.960 anti Semitism is wrong, and they should have acted on it, 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.760 you know, nearly two years ago, twenty It could three months. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:10.919 It could have been done sooner. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.800 It could have been done sooner exactly. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.560 All right, Let's turn to Trump's announcement today that he 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.000 plans to slap tariffs on pharmaceuticals and copper. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.600 Here he was, we'll be announcing something very soon on pharmaceuticals. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.640 We're going to give people about a year a year 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.320 and a half to come in and after that they're 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:30.960 going to be tariffed. If they have to bring the 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.920 pharmaceuticals into the country, the drugs and other things into 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:36.880 the country, they're going to be tariffed at a very 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.080 very high rate, like two hundred percent. We'll give them 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.159 a certain period of time to get their act together. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.440 Yeah, so two hundred percent absolutely massive. Or here was 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.320 the Treasurer reacting to the news. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.000 They're obviously very concerning developments. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.760 We are talking about billions of. 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:59.320 Dollars of exports to the US when it comes to pharmaceuticals. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.000 And Michael, this will increase the sure on Albin easy 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.280 to get a deal done, but he's not in any 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.679 position to do that when he has zero relationship with 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:07.400 the President. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.679 Well, that's true, Shari. And the problem is he cannot 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.320 go to the White House. I mean, this is the 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.200 bizarre thing. And Greg Sheridan has basically pointed this out 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.879 on numerous occasions. You've got the Prime Minis of Australia 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.760 who can have four meetings with the communist leader of China, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.320 one of the most repressive regimes in the world. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.040 He can have four meetings with him. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:37.040 He's more comfortable visiting China, but can't visit our trading 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.239 partner and major historical ally and the country with him 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.920 we've been to war on any number of occasions. Why 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.000 he cannot risk a meeting in the White House. He 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.920 cannot sit in the White House and run the risk 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.760 of a Zelenski moment because in that meeting in the 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.679 White House, our ambassador will have to be there, Kevin Rudd. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.400 So you've got Rudd standing there behind one of those couches. 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.119 Given all the things he said about Trump. And but 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.000 he's given what he said about Trump at at that festival. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.200 You got jd Vance sitting there. Who knows what Vans 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.760 might say to say it cross the room to Kevin right, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.280 aren't you the bloke that called our president, you know, 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.159 a threat to democracy, a crazy man, etcetera, etcetera. That 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.760 meeting could that meet a village idiot. That meeting could explode. 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.680 Now in the conference of how these things work, Albany's 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.840 advisors will have sat with him and said, listen, we 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.440 can't go to an overlops meeting. Try and get him 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.560 on the sides of one of these conferences where you 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.159 can be photographed with him, had cameras shaking hands, so 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.119 you can say I've had a meeting with him. But 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.400 for goodness sake, they've said to him, you cannot risk 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.760 a Zelenski moment in the White House because that will 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.600 live on in Australia in US history forever. And that's 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.240 why you can't go to the White House. That's why 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:47.359 I can't have a meeting. And isn't that bizarre. We 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.240 can't meet our major ally, Yet he can meet the 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.560 communist leadership in China on four occasions. It's totally bizarre, Shari. 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:54.520 Yeah, I mean he was. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.600 I reported this a couple of months ago that he 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.760 was a few months ago. He was desperately trying to 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.720 get a phone call. But now maybe he doesn't even 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.520 want the meeting. As you say, Richo, would you say 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.879 this is the worst relationship Australia has had with America 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.560 since the Whitlam government. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.320 Yeah, I would. 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:16.159 Do you want to expand on that? 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:22.960 I think this is deplorable now. I think we have 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:26.480 got to take into account the fact that you're only 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.720 ever going to have one ally like the United States. 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.680 You're only ever going to have one nation that can 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.119 put an umbrella over you and try and put. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.120 Well, I think we're losing Richo's audio a bit there. 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.600 Kick from the oh sorry, can you hear me? 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:43.800 Now? 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.320 Yeah, you're cutting in and out. Your audio is cutting 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:51.040 in and out. We might move on to the next topic, Michael. 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.480 This has been quite a big story today. It's the 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:58.679 latest gender face. A convicted double murderer has requested to 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.760 be transferred to a women's prison after suddenly identifying as 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.760 a woman. This is nineteen years into his forty three 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:07.880 year sentence. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:09.040 A murderer. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:14.120 The acting news otherwise Premier Ryan Park told the Telegraph 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.840 that this isn't going to be happening. He doesn't find 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.919 it acceptable. He doesn't think the community would find it acceptable. 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.120 But Michael, this is getting ridiculous, isn't it. 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.680 I think mister Park's words probably echo those of the 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:34.479 majority of the Austrainian public. Sad and as difficult as 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:39.440 circumstances are of the convicted double murderer and his personal 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.640 circumstances as difficult as they are with in relation with sexuality, 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.639 I don't think it's reasonable let that person haven't committed 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.520 to murders be transferred to a women's prison. So no, 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.560 I think I agree with mister Park, who's right again 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.520 as he was the last time we spoke about him. 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.880 Absolutely, he is one of the excellent ministers in them 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.960 men's government. But this is the issue with this policy 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.040 where people believe that any man is a woman. I mean, 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.200 this is where it ends in circumstances like this, it's 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:14.040 just bizarre. Michael Kroeger, thank you so much for your time. 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.440 And if riche's there, well, hopefully a better. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:17.479 Audio next week. 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.080 All right, Well, the White House has been fending off 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.600