Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Separate Bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the Gadigal people of the e Or nation, the
Speaker 1: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to
Speaker 1: the elders, both past and present.
Speaker 2: My name's Cam Daddo, Mali Daddo.
Speaker 1: How are you, honey?
Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you.
Speaker 1: Haven't we had such a fantastic year this year on
Speaker 1: Separate Bathrooms. We've had some incredible guests and couples sharing
Speaker 1: this stories.
Speaker 3: I know, we've had a really varied list of people
Speaker 3: this year, which has been so exciting, and we've been
Speaker 3: so privileged to hear many wonderful, heartwarming stories of relationships
Speaker 3: from all kinds, and some of the most gripping and
Speaker 3: vulnerable moments I think have really come from those in
Speaker 3: the queer and lgbt QIA communities.
Speaker 2: We've had some rippers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and well, let's go straight to the heart of it.
Speaker 5: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I know you're going our own son. What we thought
Speaker 1: we'd do today is relive and celebrate some of our
Speaker 1: favorite moments of the year on Separate Bathrooms from all
Speaker 1: the queer voices that we've had on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's one it's our first in the lineup
Speaker 3: that we just was. It was just hilarious the retelling
Speaker 3: of the proposal between Reyes Nicholson and Kyron Wheatley.
Speaker 1: Whilst it wasn't one of the most romantic ways to propose,
Speaker 1: it certainly make for a great story.
Speaker 5: Have a listen.
Speaker 1: Now you guys got married last year?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and September finally congratulations, Yeah, give me great stuff.
Speaker 7: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Was there a proposal?
Speaker 5: Take us through that and who proposed multiple.
Speaker 6: It's a bone of contention within our relationship. Really, I mean,
Speaker 6: I've made it that way.
Speaker 8: Do you mean to tell my version of the story
Speaker 8: and then you can?
Speaker 7: Reese's version of this story is stand up so.
Speaker 9: You'll get Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 10: I'm buying a ticket.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I actually don't remember how the stand
Speaker 6: up used to go, But essentially what happened was we
Speaker 6: went to a friend's wedding after we'd been together for
Speaker 6: quite a while, but not like maybe five years, so
Speaker 6: many of maybe.
Speaker 2: Five or six.
Speaker 7: Marriage wasn't legal at the time for us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, gay marriage wasn't wasn't legal in it right, But
Speaker 6: we'd gone to a friend's wedding, and it was a
Speaker 6: pretty like incredible one, one of those ones that you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is what all weddings should be like. And then
Speaker 6: we foun out how much it cost. It was like,
Speaker 6: oh God, no wedding should be like this. And Karen
Speaker 6: was doing breakfast radio at the time and had to
Speaker 6: be home quite early, so the idea was we'll go
Speaker 6: to the reception for a little while. And then I
Speaker 6: just accidentally got like blind on wedding champagnes, just in
Speaker 6: that kind of you can't count kind of ways where
Speaker 6: they just keep filling it up and people are doing speech. Yeah,
Speaker 6: keep filling it up and filling it up. And Karen
Speaker 6: was not drunk at all, and I was just like
Speaker 6: making I wasn't a nuisance, but I was just getting
Speaker 6: getting champagne.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, But.
Speaker 6: I do remember being and this is not a feeling
Speaker 6: that I usually have, but like I was quite overwhelmed
Speaker 6: by like the loveliness of it. Like I'm a pretty
Speaker 6: cynical person most of the time, but I would say,
Speaker 6: like this is so beautiful and like this is how
Speaker 6: and some of our best friends are doing speeches and
Speaker 6: blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: And I kind of already planned in my head.
Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'm going to propose to Karen,
Speaker 6: Like this is a few weeks before, and I was
Speaker 6: trying to think of like a way to do it,
Speaker 6: and I hadn't organized like a ring or anything. And
Speaker 6: then Karen like got me home and like with putting
Speaker 6: me to bed in that way that only I think
Speaker 6: certain like that kind of like come on, mate, nine
Speaker 6: nyes down, she.
Speaker 7: Goes shoes off. I think, yeah, that.
Speaker 8: Kind of like you're very not sexy undressing of your partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: And I was just I kept saying this phrase that
Speaker 8: was like.
Speaker 6: It was just such a good wedding. Wasn't it a
Speaker 6: good wedding? I just kept like saying over and over
Speaker 6: it was just a beautiful wedding. And Kara was like
Speaker 6: trying to go to sleep, and it's like, yeah, it
Speaker 6: was really great.
Speaker 7: I gotta go to fleet and it's also four am.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got to be on air in like two hours,
Speaker 6: and I just had this like epiphany moment whatever a
Speaker 6: negative epiphany is, and I said.
Speaker 8: Hey, would you it was a good wedding and would
Speaker 8: you do that also?
Speaker 6: And Karen was like sorry, what and I said would
Speaker 6: you would you do that also? And he's like and
Speaker 6: like I remember the lamp going back on and him
Speaker 6: like sitting up and going, are you are you proposing
Speaker 6: to me right now?
Speaker 9: And I was like yeah.
Speaker 6: And then I remember him saying, well, if you're going
Speaker 6: to propose to me, you need if you asked me
Speaker 6: to marry you need to actually ask me to marry you.
Speaker 6: And I just said, fine, will you fucking marry me?
Speaker 6: That was my proposal?
Speaker 7: I said yes, And then I went to work that
Speaker 7: morning and I was on air with Genfricker at the
Speaker 7: time on Triple J, and I I knew that when
Speaker 7: I got home from work, I would have to see
Speaker 7: if Reese remembered proposing to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I wasn't able to yet tell anyone, share
Speaker 11: the news with anyone in case I got excitement. Yeah,
Speaker 11: So I'm just holding that in. And then when I
Speaker 11: got home, I was like a little budgy like, hello.
Speaker 7: Do you do you remember anything about this morning?
Speaker 8: Do you remember what you actually said?
Speaker 6: So I wear this ring I've always this is like
Speaker 6: an heirloom, like this was my great grandfather's wedding band.
Speaker 6: And the way that you asked and I think this
Speaker 6: is actually quite this is a very youth thing to do,
Speaker 6: where you were being very careful and you said, you know,
Speaker 6: after last night, you might need to move that over
Speaker 6: to the other finger. And if I was to say,
Speaker 6: I don't know what you're talking about, you could move
Speaker 6: on from that pretty quickly, I'd imagine. But I had,
Speaker 6: and I just I could. I had woken up and
Speaker 6: I remember doing it. But then automatic hangover shame mixed
Speaker 6: with terrible proposal shame, a toxic cocktail that no, I'm
Speaker 6: and of burgas can fit.
Speaker 8: But then Kirroen, well, yeah, I did a much better job.
Speaker 7: So then was it the same year?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're talking days, weeks, months apart.
Speaker 11: Yes, Well, I just felt it was unfair. I felt
Speaker 11: it was unfair that I wasn't allowed to propose now,
Speaker 11: and I think had like maybe grown up thinking that
Speaker 11: i'd propose a bit more. Maybe that was just like
Speaker 11: in my head. And then so I was like, well,
Speaker 11: screw it, I'm just going to propose back. That was
Speaker 11: a bad proposal anyway, So let's do a better one.
Speaker 7: Let's go let's go around again.
Speaker 6: But then I also then by me being as drunk
Speaker 6: that I was, and you were sober as I was,
Speaker 6: we weren't really able to, like you know, usually i'd
Speaker 6: imagine after you get proposed to and you say yes,
Speaker 6: there's like a kind.
Speaker 9: Of some sort of consummation of that moment. But we didn't.
Speaker 6: It would have been probably laws against Kiren having sex
Speaker 6: with me in the state.
Speaker 7: That I was in.
Speaker 3: So up next, we've got a really beautiful moment between
Speaker 3: father and son, Richard and Christian Welkins. I know Richard's
Speaker 3: a good mate of yours, and no parent obviously likes
Speaker 3: to see their child bullied. And Richard is such a
Speaker 3: gorgeous example of how tough it can be for parents
Speaker 3: to see this sort of behavior aimed at their children,
Speaker 3: and how he felt about yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So amongst this adversity, Christian was able to thrive
Speaker 1: in an accepting, an open environment thanks to his his
Speaker 1: amazing parents and transform into the incredible person that we
Speaker 1: know Christian Wilkins to be today.
Speaker 3: So true, So do have a listen to this one, Christian.
Speaker 3: You have been so beautiful and vulnerable and open about
Speaker 3: being bullied in your earlier years. And I know again
Speaker 3: you know, talking about when someone that you love is
Speaker 3: being attacked in some way. I guess the question for
Speaker 3: you is, actually, Richard, how was that? Did you know
Speaker 3: that that was happening? And how did you feel?
Speaker 5: No, I wasn't so aware of him being bullied at school,
Speaker 5: like physically bullied. I remember coming home from work one
Speaker 5: day when he was there and telling him about an
Speaker 5: article in the paper about him being the spoilt little
Speaker 5: whatever who'd gone along to a function that I was hosting,
Speaker 5: the Mother of All Boars, with Brian Brown and Rachel
Speaker 5: Watt and their kids, and one of the gospel columnists
Speaker 5: wrote this hideous article and it broke my heart, and
Speaker 5: I didn't want him to hear about it from anybody else. So,
Speaker 5: sitting on the end of his bed, I was disgusted
Speaker 5: by that, because that really is bullying, public.
Speaker 2: Bullying and picking on children.
Speaker 4: So how did you? How did you do that? What
Speaker 4: did you say to Christian? In that moment? I started
Speaker 4: from telling him about it.
Speaker 5: I'm telling I'm sorry, there's a horrible piece in the
Speaker 5: paper today, but I want to tell you about it.
Speaker 5: Do you want me to read it to you or
Speaker 5: you just want to ignore? I can't even remember where
Speaker 5: we went from them, but you know, I don't think
Speaker 5: you read it to me. I don't know if I
Speaker 5: needed to be read it. Well, whatever I think I
Speaker 5: read it, I wanted you to be aware. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: that's pretty awful. You hate seeing you know, people you love,
Speaker 5: you know, child or anybody being treated badly. It's just
Speaker 5: as simple as that. And for a person to attack
Speaker 5: a kid in such a public forum, I think I
Speaker 5: just hated them pretty much. But I wasn't aware of
Speaker 5: what was going on at school. I think he pretty
Speaker 5: much kept that to yourself, didn't you know.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I told mum, because I guess teachers knew.
Speaker 12: I think it's just I think it's sometimes easy to
Speaker 12: actually forget how far we've come in quite a short
Speaker 12: period of time. You know, I'm only twenty nine, and
Speaker 12: sure we have lots of representation and diversity now, and
Speaker 12: it's you know, people are very encouraging and they're very
Speaker 12: aware of the language that they use. But still, when
Speaker 12: I was in you know, year three or four, I
Speaker 12: remember girls to see me and telling me that I
Speaker 12: was gay. And you know, that's an age that I
Speaker 12: knew that I was different, but I didn't necessarily know
Speaker 12: why I was different, and it's definitely far beyond any
Speaker 12: sort of sexual feelings develop and you know, it's still
Speaker 12: being pointed out that you are different because of this thing.
Speaker 12: It's it definitely that planted a seed for a while,
Speaker 12: you know, and it's kind of plants that seed of
Speaker 12: you're wrong for this reason and that's a bad thing.
Speaker 12: And I think that that kind of often develops in
Speaker 12: a lot of queer people to be a sort of
Speaker 12: self hating thing because that's what they're told as kids.
Speaker 4: And how do you think you've evolved that or how
Speaker 4: did you evolve that?
Speaker 1: Because clearly that's you don't seem to lack confidence or
Speaker 1: value in yourself.
Speaker 12: I definitely think a large part of it is my
Speaker 12: family and my parents. You know, they always very much
Speaker 12: encouraged me to be whoever I wanted to be. The
Speaker 12: conversation was always very open. I never needed to come out,
Speaker 12: I never needed there was never this streep until proven
Speaker 12: otherwise kind of mentality. And because they gave me space
Speaker 12: to sort of explore who I was, and small things
Speaker 12: like dyeing my hair and wearing different clothes and stuff
Speaker 12: like that without question or judgment, kind of allowed me
Speaker 12: to resettle my feelings and kind of discover who I was.
Speaker 12: And I'm forever very grateful for that.
Speaker 5: We just let him be who he is and what
Speaker 5: a great result.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. We talk a lot about
Speaker 3: our son, and very similar. Mind you, he's a he's
Speaker 3: a he's a beefcake now, you know, in his shorts
Speaker 3: and T shirts.
Speaker 2: Loves them. But when he was a little.
Speaker 3: Boy, like he just really loved to wear women's his
Speaker 3: sister's clothing, and was if it was Halloween, it was
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga, it was the good Witch of the North,
Speaker 3: like he always chose to character of the West.
Speaker 5: He did hang out, all loved him.
Speaker 2: He's awesome.
Speaker 3: What I remember so vividly is, you know, someone asked
Speaker 3: him he had this big twirly skirt that he loved
Speaker 3: to wear, and someone said, why why are you wearing that? Reven,
Speaker 3: He goes, because it just feels so good on my legs,
Speaker 3: and I went, yeah, like that makes so much sense
Speaker 3: to me, Like why can't he wear this?
Speaker 9: You know, not that he didn't.
Speaker 3: We never ever ever said no to any of that.
Speaker 3: And you know, and my mum and dad God loved them.
Speaker 3: They just thought it was delightful and you know, they
Speaker 3: take him shopping at the costume store and it was
Speaker 3: straight to the princess, to.
Speaker 10: The princess outfit.
Speaker 3: Fell's outfit Yeah, just better like it was just yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think that's really to hear.
Speaker 5: Well, he have a tutu that he was very fond
Speaker 5: of age.
Speaker 2: Are the best to dress.
Speaker 5: Up in the scotsmen have been doing it for centuries, Yes,
Speaker 5: and they're.
Speaker 2: As sexy as helen those kil.
Speaker 1: Next up, we have International Drag Superstar and two times
Speaker 1: run a Round two Dimes runner up on RuPaul's Drag Race,
Speaker 1: Hannah Conda, Anna Conder.
Speaker 3: She is one special person. This one pretty much had
Speaker 3: you on the verge of tears, Honey. In fact, I
Speaker 3: think it had its both on the a verge of tears.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was that moment where I read the excerpt or
Speaker 1: the quote that was online from his dad and it
Speaker 1: was basically a letter or about his son, how he
Speaker 1: felt about his son, and it just touched me because
Speaker 1: father sons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course acceptance.
Speaker 1: That still touches me when I think about it, because
Speaker 1: it's so important that we one acknowledge our children but
Speaker 1: also speak of them in that way. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think our words are so powerful. I think they're like spells.
Speaker 1: And he cast a gorgeous spell.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
Speaker 3: And Hannah Conder is is the person that she is
Speaker 3: today because of the way you know, they were raised,
Speaker 3: and just it had us all feeling so emotional. And
Speaker 3: she's so proud of her father and her whole family.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's just jump straight into it before
Speaker 1: it gets me going again.
Speaker 10: We have a quote here from your dad.
Speaker 13: Oh yes, and I love this and.
Speaker 3: It was in a response to a really shitty article
Speaker 3: and hateful woman I remember her.
Speaker 8: Do you want to read it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh, of it.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: Because this is going to I think because we have
Speaker 1: a son, River who who's been dressing in well he hasn't,
Speaker 1: he hasn't kept up kept up with her, but he
Speaker 1: certainly for all of his boyhood he dressed as princesses
Speaker 1: and loves and so I think this is going to
Speaker 1: he me. So I don't know if I can read it,
Speaker 1: because I haven't ready it.
Speaker 4: No, I'm going to take a big deep breath. Okay,
Speaker 4: why not? Okay, Yeah, this is.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: My son is Hannaconda, a drag queen and a very
Speaker 1: good one. At that he is a beautiful human being
Speaker 1: who has dedicated much of his life to his craft,
Speaker 1: his family, and above all, his community. I too, will
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes political posting mama to protect my children.
Speaker 9: But my job as a.
Speaker 1: Parent is to give them a good grounding in their
Speaker 1: life and to be supportive of their endeavors, to lead
Speaker 1: by example guide them to becoming good citizens in our
Speaker 1: wider community. I have seen firsthand and way too often,
Speaker 1: the terrible sadness that exists with young people who are
Speaker 1: not accepted by their own families because they are merely gay.
Speaker 1: If you really want to make a difference in the
Speaker 1: world we live in, start by being a nice person.
Speaker 13: Oh that's your dad.
Speaker 2: That's your dad.
Speaker 13: Your dad, he is he is like he I have
Speaker 13: said it before. He's my like he is my my,
Speaker 13: my hero. Both my mum and my dad are very
Speaker 13: very called the New Age. We we'd like when we
Speaker 13: grew up. We did like reiki, we did hands on healing.
Speaker 13: As a family. You know, we've always been like like
Speaker 13: things were going wrong with like mental health or whatever.
Speaker 8: We'd be like.
Speaker 13: Therapy was a big thing too. We're a very open family.
Speaker 13: We talk about a lot of stuff. And I think
Speaker 13: that sometimes gets Jack a little bit because I'm a talker,
Speaker 13: I'm an open book and we and like our family
Speaker 13: is very very open and like Jack sometimes goes, oh
Speaker 13: my god, you know, this is a lot of feelings.
Speaker 2: He's also British also.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they're very reserved and they don't really do that.
Speaker 13: But my dad, he he is just an example of
Speaker 13: somebody that don't. You can't understand how anybody could not
Speaker 13: love their child for for who they are, Like they
Speaker 13: take us where where they guide us and that and
Speaker 13: that's the fundamental lesson he's always taught us, is that
Speaker 13: we just we pay our taxes and we be good people.
Speaker 9: Like that is it?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 13: He said you could have nothing, but as long as
Speaker 13: you smile and be a good person, that's all I
Speaker 13: want from my children.
Speaker 9: And I think that's a really important lesson.
Speaker 13: And somethingbody else is there, you know, like people want
Speaker 13: to work and be around nice people and that are
Speaker 13: easy to easy to be around. And my dad is
Speaker 13: definitely that person. He's Yeah, he's a superhero, he really is.
Speaker 13: When he wrote that as well, like it just I
Speaker 13: didn't know he was doing that, and oh I just
Speaker 13: melted my heart, like because I was. I wasn't because
Speaker 13: in Dragon over the years, there's been so many things
Speaker 13: during us, but we get a thick skin, like we're
Speaker 13: very thick skin. So even though that, you know, because
Speaker 13: I was getting death threats, I was getting all these
Speaker 13: horrible things sent to me, and I just didn't let
Speaker 13: it face me because you just carry on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: But my dad he was like, no, I'm not standing
Speaker 13: for this because he has seen when he's come to
Speaker 13: the bars, how many kids deserted by their family and
Speaker 13: they become like surrogate parents and they sit there and
Speaker 13: they talk and then they have all these like you know,
Speaker 13: kids all around them, just sitting and enjoying and they
Speaker 13: love it. There's a photo of them that goes on
Speaker 13: their on their TV at home with them and they're like, oh,
Speaker 13: there are our leather daddy friends that they met. There's
Speaker 13: just these old older couple that live in Sydney and
Speaker 13: there there the leather daddies. We love our leather daddy friends. Yeah,
Speaker 13: but they just you know, nothing face And I feel
Speaker 13: like that's very similar to the two of you. It's like,
Speaker 13: I think your essence is very much the same as
Speaker 13: what my parents are and you know, you just take
Speaker 13: people where they're at and just yeah, you know who's
Speaker 13: just being a good person And you both do that,
Speaker 13: and I feel like along with my mom.
Speaker 10: And I loved that already.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're funny.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 10: If I had to choose a favorite.
Speaker 3: Episode, would you, I'm going to have to choose this one.
Speaker 1: I got a text message from someone who I don't
Speaker 1: know very well, was a neighbor, yeah, saying that she
Speaker 1: listened to this.
Speaker 4: Episode and how much it touched her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she I mean, she was like, I knew
Speaker 1: people were nice, but I had no idea of what
Speaker 1: the conversations are like inside your home. She walks past
Speaker 1: the home every day with dog, and it was just
Speaker 1: such a delightful text to receive about this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we of course are talking about the first time
Speaker 3: ever we had our very own son, riv riverd River
Speaker 3: Dado on the podcast.
Speaker 1: We spoke about a lot of hilarious life moments and
Speaker 1: some of you is most challenging, and the one that
Speaker 1: where we're living today involved all of us Dados.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, for any person who is gay and
Speaker 3: coming out, if we use that word, it's a very
Speaker 3: raw or it can be a very raw and vulnerable experience,
Speaker 3: even though it should just it should just be nothing.
Speaker 3: It should just be who they are and fully accepted.
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's enough that we have to sort
Speaker 2: of out.
Speaker 3: People or make a big deal of people being gay.
Speaker 3: It's just who you love is who you love. And
Speaker 3: that's something that we've always talked about with our kids.
Speaker 3: But you know, society reaped its way with even Riv
Speaker 3: And yeah.
Speaker 1: He talks about that without further ado.
Speaker 4: This is our son River.
Speaker 1: So you said between eight and nine that you kind
Speaker 1: of had that recognition with yourself that you weren't into girls.
Speaker 5: It took a little.
Speaker 1: While longer than that for you to come out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when you came out to us, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of tears for you.
Speaker 9: I didn't you asked me, Yeah, you asked me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how was that for you that time, that moment,
Speaker 1: although that leading up to that, and how was it
Speaker 1: through that and how did you feel once the cat
Speaker 1: was out of the bags?
Speaker 9: Weird?
Speaker 14: It was weird because I felt like, you have like
Speaker 14: this and it wasn't even that like I didn't think
Speaker 14: you guys were going to accept it or anything like that.
Speaker 14: It just I just didn't feel like ready, Like I
Speaker 14: was like, I don't really want I don't know how
Speaker 14: to have this conversation.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know how to like initiate it.
Speaker 14: I think so probably it was a good thing that
Speaker 14: you guys did ask, because it probably would have taken
Speaker 14: a lot longer for me to say anything anyways.
Speaker 9: But yeah, no, that day was that was a crap day.
Speaker 9: That was a bad day.
Speaker 14: Because like, yeah, I remember, I'd like, you didn't like
Speaker 14: the group of friends that I was with. They knew
Speaker 14: i'd come out to them, and then you guys they'd
Speaker 14: set me up on the apps.
Speaker 9: And then I remember.
Speaker 14: That the apps was connected to my old iPad that
Speaker 14: I'd given to body and Bodie was getting messages and
Speaker 14: it was just like it was it was.
Speaker 9: It was a messy, messy day.
Speaker 14: I remember we were I was supposed to have dinner
Speaker 14: with those group of friends and I we were on
Speaker 14: a walking down the street and Dad's car pulls up
Speaker 14: when I was like, oh, I was like, Dad, you're early,
Speaker 14: and he's like, no, I'm here to pick you up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, silence on.
Speaker 14: The way home. And then it wasn't until later on
Speaker 14: that you kind of said that you knew everything and
Speaker 14: asked me, and yeah, I remember crying. I think I
Speaker 14: said sorry, I said sorry to you guys, I apologize,
Speaker 14: So that was probably, yeah, a little bit of shame
Speaker 14: hidden hidden down in there for sure, Yeah, because I
Speaker 14: don't know why else I would have apologized for it.
Speaker 14: But you feel, you feel so much better once you
Speaker 14: once you actually come out.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, there was so much around that time,
Speaker 3: like there was a lot of there was a lot
Speaker 3: of hiding of other things that was happening. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we were really like, what is happening to rib like,
Speaker 3: and it was yeah, that group of friends that were
Speaker 3: kind of a new group of friends were just getting
Speaker 3: into some stuff that was really illegal and like not great,
Speaker 3: and that was what we were concerned with. And then
Speaker 3: that question just came out and it was it was
Speaker 3: it was heartbreaking to hear your apology. It still breaks
Speaker 3: my heart that there was that you still that you
Speaker 3: felt the need to say sorry, because that was something
Speaker 3: that I felt like I'd really wanted you to know that,
Speaker 3: And even just the fact that we asked you, Like
Speaker 3: some days I just go there was no need to
Speaker 3: come out, there's no need to ask the question you know,
Speaker 3: we just wondered if there was something connected to that
Speaker 3: that was causing the distress in your life, because you
Speaker 3: hadn't sort of said, look, yeah I am gay.
Speaker 10: So that was why that question came out.
Speaker 2: The way it did.
Speaker 10: But I know, like, I feel like a lot of.
Speaker 3: Things changed after that. I feel like it did kind
Speaker 3: of really break the tension. You sort of got back
Speaker 3: with your old friends and sort of Yeah, there was
Speaker 3: like this sort of ease after that from our perspective anyway.
Speaker 14: Yeah, definitely, yeah, Yeah, for sure, I think that that
Speaker 14: definitely happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 9: When I told you, you were like, oh, we've known
Speaker 9: since you were too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was what I Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we thought we knew.
Speaker 4: For me, there was a question. Then for me there
Speaker 4: was a bit of like because.
Speaker 1: I you know, I've tried so hard to get you
Speaker 1: in too Bury for the Motive Bombers.
Speaker 4: And be.
Speaker 1: Part of footy and stuff and to find ways to
Speaker 1: connect with you and whether that be as we you know,
Speaker 1: cooking or the doll dressmaking or whatever it was that
Speaker 1: all those things that you were you were into.
Speaker 4: And the question I would say.
Speaker 9: Wonder if he's he gay?
Speaker 1: Is he not gay and all, and I Mum and
Speaker 1: I would talk about it, and then it became it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, does it matter if he is or not?
Speaker 1: And then I remember Lotus came to me, uh, probably
Speaker 1: maybe a year or so before you'd finally come out,
Speaker 1: and she said, Dad, she goes, he's not gay. Ah,
Speaker 1: he's not gay. And I said, well, what do you
Speaker 1: mean he's not gay? She said, well, he left his
Speaker 1: diary or you know, in my room, and I read it,
Speaker 1: and the stuff that he's writing about.
Speaker 14: He's not.
Speaker 9: She read it.
Speaker 14: She was young too, well, she knew better than to
Speaker 14: read someone's diary. Well wherever it will just say she
Speaker 14: knew about her. I'm going to text her after this.
Speaker 10: That's true you talking about that.
Speaker 5: I am true. I am sure about it.
Speaker 1: But she said maybe maybe you didn't read though.
Speaker 4: She just said what I read.
Speaker 1: What he wrote about so and so, huh, and whether
Speaker 1: it was maybe I'm elaborating on the diary issue.
Speaker 14: She's still a sneak, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Alrighty well, this is our final moment we wanted to
Speaker 1: share with you today. It comes from one of our
Speaker 1: most enjoyable laugh Field interviews.
Speaker 5: Of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember having a sore face after this one
Speaker 3: from laughing so much. Anthony Coleia and Tim Campbell had
Speaker 3: us in fits of laughter from the moment there in
Speaker 3: the studio, and when we asked them if they liked karaoke,
Speaker 3: they followed up the question with a really hilarious tale.
Speaker 1: What does being a dolphin trainer and singing karaoke have
Speaker 1: in common?
Speaker 4: Well, you're about to find out.
Speaker 2: Take a listen karaoke. Are you into karaoke?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 9: I sake?
Speaker 5: I hate it in Australia.
Speaker 1: What I do like though, Why why Australia is because
Speaker 1: you're well known.
Speaker 15: Well, I just like to have a bit of fun,
Speaker 15: especially when we go to La and I used to
Speaker 15: do this quite a bit, Like there used to be
Speaker 15: this bar up the road and like they used to
Speaker 15: have like a drink tab on off, you know if
Speaker 15: you won the competition for like three hundred bucks or something.
Speaker 15: And I'm just like okay. So we went with a
Speaker 15: few friends and I like to make up names, so
Speaker 15: I'm usually Adam and I'm a dolphin trainer from the
Speaker 15: Gold Coast. Tim Trevor, he works for his parents building company.
Speaker 15: And then another friend, she works in Charity, and she like,
Speaker 15: I just make up all these stories and then we're
Speaker 15: all singers, and so we get up and kill yeah,
Speaker 15: and then I do this whole thing.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I'm so embarrassed, blah blah.
Speaker 15: My go to is always Richard Marx right here waiting,
Speaker 15: and I literally add every single ad lib that I can.
Speaker 15: And then this is the thing that I realized very
Speaker 15: quickly when you rock up to a very serious karaoke competition,
Speaker 15: is that they don't like you if you come across
Speaker 15: like you're a professional singer and you get death eyes.
Speaker 15: And so I literally got disqualified.
Speaker 5: From karaoke in La at a gay.
Speaker 10: Bite because you were too good.
Speaker 5: Yeah I do.
Speaker 15: I do like the story all the time. I'm always like,
Speaker 15: you know, Adam a dolphin trainer from the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, I got disqualified mud wrestling in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: because I was too good at wrestling.
Speaker 2: They free me out.
Speaker 10: That is an actual true story.
Speaker 7: Hilarious.
Speaker 5: I like to do more about it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 10: He was also wrestling a woman in a bikini.
Speaker 9: Heaven.
Speaker 4: You're smash.
Speaker 5: You and us go to very different bars.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the I mean, we had a lot of queer
Speaker 1: voices on separate bathrooms this year, and it was really
Speaker 1: difficult to choose, so we did our best. If you
Speaker 1: want to go back and revisit other episodes, please feel
Speaker 1: free listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Going to go back and listen to the whole thing
Speaker 3: because all of them are delightful. We really enjoyed talking
Speaker 3: to everyone that we mentioned today.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, it's it's a really good beach
Speaker 1: podcast listening. If you're lying on the on the sand,
Speaker 1: enjoying the enjoying the sun and the.
Speaker 4: Sand, you know, well, we'll catch up with the next.
Speaker 1: Time on separate bathrooms.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, mm hmm.