Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Separate Bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the Gadigal people of the e Or nation, the
Speaker 1: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to
Speaker 1: the elders, both.
Speaker 2: Past and present.
Speaker 3: Minot's cam dado, I'm ali daddo.
Speaker 2: How are you, honey?
Speaker 4: Very good?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Haven't we had such a fantastic year this year on
Speaker 1: Separate Bathrooms. We've had some incredible guests and couples sharing
Speaker 1: this stories.
Speaker 5: I know, we've had a really varied list of people
Speaker 5: this year, which has been so exciting, and we've been
Speaker 5: so privileged to hear many wonderful, heartwarming stories of relationships
Speaker 5: from all kinds, and some of the most gripping and
Speaker 5: vulnerable moments I think have really come from those in
Speaker 5: the queer and lgbt QIA communities.
Speaker 3: We've had some rippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, let's go straight to the heart of it.
Speaker 6: Let's go I know where you're going, our own son.
Speaker 1: What we thought we'd do today is relive and celebrate
Speaker 1: some of our favorite moments of the year on Separate
Speaker 1: Bathrooms from all the queer voices that we've had on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and here's one. It's our first in the lineup
Speaker 5: that we just was. It was just hilarious the retelling
Speaker 5: of the proposal between Reyes Nicholson and Kyron Wheatley.
Speaker 1: Whilst it wasn't one of the most romantic ways to propose,
Speaker 1: it's certainly.
Speaker 2: Made for a great story.
Speaker 7: Have a listen.
Speaker 2: Now you guys got married last year?
Speaker 8: Yeah, and September finally, congratulations, great stuff.
Speaker 9: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Was there a proposal? Take us through that and who proposed.
Speaker 8: Multiple It's a bone of contention within our relationship. Really,
Speaker 8: I mean, I've made it that way it Do you
Speaker 8: mean to tell my version.
Speaker 9: Of the story and then you can Reese's version of
Speaker 9: this story is stand up so.
Speaker 6: You'll get Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm buying a ticket.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I actually don't remember how the stand
Speaker 8: up used to go, But essentially what happened was we
Speaker 8: went to a friend's wedding after we'd been together for
Speaker 8: quite a while, but not like maybe five years, maybe
Speaker 8: maybe five or six. Marriage wasn't legal at the time
Speaker 8: for us, Yeah, gay marriage wasn't wasn't legal in it right,
Speaker 8: But we had gone to a friend's wedding and it
Speaker 8: was a pretty like incredible one, one of those ones
Speaker 8: that you're like, oh, this is what all weddings should
Speaker 8: be like. And then we found out how much it cost.
Speaker 8: It was like, oh god, no wedding should be like this.
Speaker 8: And Karen was doing breakfast radio at the time and
Speaker 8: had to be home quite early, so the idea was
Speaker 8: we'll go to the reception for a little while. And
Speaker 8: then I just accidentally got like blind on wedding champagnes,
Speaker 8: just in that kind of you can't count kind of
Speaker 8: ways where they just keep filling it up and people
Speaker 8: are doing speech, Yeah, keep filling it up and filling
Speaker 8: it up. And Karen was not drunk at all, and
Speaker 8: I was just like making I wasn't a nuisance, but
Speaker 8: I was just getting getting champagne. Yeah, okay, But I
Speaker 8: do remember being and this is not a feeling that
Speaker 8: I usually have, but like I was quite overwhelmed by
Speaker 8: like the loveliness of it. Like I'm a pretty cynical
Speaker 8: person most of the time, but I was say, like,
Speaker 8: this is so beautiful and like this is how and
Speaker 8: some of our best friends are doing speeches and blah
Speaker 8: blah blah, and I kind of already planned in my head.
Speaker 8: I was like, I think I'm going to propose to Karen,
Speaker 8: Like this is a few weeks before, and I was
Speaker 8: trying to think of like a way to do it,
Speaker 8: and I hadn't organized like a ring or anything. And
Speaker 8: then Karen like got me home and like with putting
Speaker 8: me to bed in that way that only I think certain,
Speaker 8: but like that kind of like come on, mate, nine.
Speaker 9: Nights down she goes shoes off.
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, that kind of like you're very not
Speaker 8: sexy undressing of your partner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: And I was just I kept saying this phrase that
Speaker 8: was like it was just such a good wedding. Wasn't
Speaker 8: it a good wedding? I just kept like saying over
Speaker 8: and over it was just a beautiful wedding. And Kara
Speaker 8: was like trying to go to sleep, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: it was really great.
Speaker 2: I gotta go to sleep.
Speaker 9: And it's also four am.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got to be on air in like two hours.
Speaker 8: And I just had this like epiphany moment whatever a
Speaker 8: negative epiphany is, and I said.
Speaker 10: Hey, would you it was a good wedding and would you.
Speaker 6: Do that also?
Speaker 8: And Karen was like sorry, what, And I said, would
Speaker 8: would you would you do that also? And he's like
Speaker 8: and like I remember the lamp going back on and
Speaker 8: him like sitting up and going, are you are you proposing.
Speaker 9: To me right now?
Speaker 6: And I was like yeah.
Speaker 8: And then I remember him saying, well, if you're going
Speaker 8: to propose to me, you need if you asked me
Speaker 8: to marry you need to actually ask me to marry you.
Speaker 8: And I just said, fine, will you fucking marry me?
Speaker 8: That was my proposal?
Speaker 11: I said yes, And then I went to work that
Speaker 11: morning and I was on air with Gentfricker at the
Speaker 11: time on Triple J, and I knew that when I
Speaker 11: got home from work, I would have to see if
Speaker 11: Reese remembered proposing to me.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I wasn't able to yet tell anyone, share
Speaker 11: the news with anyone in case.
Speaker 3: I got excitement.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'm just holding that in. And then when
Speaker 9: I got home, I was like a little budgy.
Speaker 11: Like, hello, do you do you remember anything about this morning?
Speaker 6: Do you remember what you actually said?
Speaker 8: So I wear this ring I've always this is like
Speaker 8: an heirloom, like this was my great grandfather's wedding band.
Speaker 8: And the way that you asked, and I think this
Speaker 8: is actually quite this is a very youth thing to do,
Speaker 8: where you were being very careful and you said, you know,
Speaker 8: after last night, you might need to move that over
Speaker 8: to the other finger. And if I was to say,
Speaker 8: I don't know what you're talking about, you could move
Speaker 8: on from that pretty quickly, I'd imagine. But but I had,
Speaker 8: and I just I could. I had woken up and
Speaker 8: I remember doing it. But then automatic hangover shame mixed
Speaker 8: with terrible proposal shame, a toxic cocktail that no, I'm
Speaker 8: man of burgas can fit.
Speaker 6: But then Kiren, well, yeah.
Speaker 9: I did a much better job. So then was it
Speaker 9: the same year?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're talking days, weeks, months apart.
Speaker 11: Yes, Well, I just felt it was unfair. I felt
Speaker 11: it was unfair that I wasn't allowed to propose now,
Speaker 11: and I think had like maybe grown up thinking that
Speaker 11: i'd propose a bit more. Maybe that was just like
Speaker 11: in my head. And then so I was like, well,
Speaker 11: screw it, I'm just going to propose back. That was
Speaker 11: a bad proposal anyway, so let's do a better one.
Speaker 9: Let's go let's go around again.
Speaker 8: But then I also then by me being as drunk
Speaker 8: that I was, and you were sober as I was,
Speaker 8: we weren't really able to, like you know, usually i'd
Speaker 8: imagine after you get proposed to and you say yes,
Speaker 8: there's like a kind of some sort.
Speaker 6: Of consummation of that moment. But we didn't.
Speaker 8: It would have been probably laws against Kiren having sex
Speaker 8: with me in the state that.
Speaker 9: I was in.
Speaker 5: So up next, we've got a really beautiful moment between
Speaker 5: father and son, Richard and Christian Welkins. I know Richard's
Speaker 5: a good mate of yours, and no parent obviously likes
Speaker 5: to see their child bullied. And Richard is such a
Speaker 5: gorgeous example of how tough it can be for parents
Speaker 5: to see this sort of behavior aimed at their children,
Speaker 5: and how he felt about Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So amongst this adversity, Christian was able to thrive
Speaker 1: in an accepting, an open environment thanks to his his
Speaker 1: amazing parents and transform into the incredible person that we
Speaker 1: know Christian Wilkins to be today.
Speaker 3: So true, So do have a listen to this one, Christian.
Speaker 5: You have been so beautiful and vulnerable and open about
Speaker 5: being bullied in your earlier years. And I know again
Speaker 5: you know, talking about when someone that you love is
Speaker 5: being attacked in some way. I guess the question for
Speaker 5: you is, actually, Richard, how was that? Did you know
Speaker 5: that that was happening? And how did you feel?
Speaker 7: No, I wasn't so aware of him being bullied at school,
Speaker 7: like physically bullied. I remember coming home from work one
Speaker 7: day when he was there and telling him about an
Speaker 7: article in the paper about him being the spoilt little
Speaker 7: whatever who had gone along to a function that I
Speaker 7: was hosting, the Mother of All Bars, with Brian Brown
Speaker 7: and Rachel Watt and their kids, and one of the
Speaker 7: gospel columnists wrote this hideous article and it broke my heart,
Speaker 7: and I didn't want him to hear about it from
Speaker 7: anybody else. So, sitting on the end of his bed,
Speaker 7: I was disgusted by that, because that really is bullying, public.
Speaker 3: Bully and picking on children.
Speaker 2: So how did you? How did you do that? What
Speaker 2: did you say to Christian? In that moment? I started
Speaker 2: from telling him about it.
Speaker 7: I'm telling I'm sorry, there's a horrible piece in the
Speaker 7: paper today, but I want to tell you about it.
Speaker 7: Do you want me to read it to you or
Speaker 7: you just want to wed? I can't even remember where
Speaker 7: we went from them, But you know, I don't think
Speaker 7: you read it to me. I don't know if I
Speaker 7: needed to be read it. Well, whatever, I think I
Speaker 7: read it, I wanted you to be aware. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: that's pretty awful. You hate seeing you know, people you love,
Speaker 7: you know, child or anybody being treated badly. It's just
Speaker 7: as simple as that. And for a person to attack
Speaker 7: a kid in such a public forum, I think I
Speaker 7: just hated that pretty much. But I wasn't aware of
Speaker 7: what was going on at school. I think he pretty
Speaker 7: much kept that to yourself, didn't.
Speaker 12: You like, Yeah, I mean I told mum, because I
Speaker 12: guess teachers knew. I think it's just I think it's
Speaker 12: sometimes easy to actually forget how far we've come in
Speaker 12: quite a short period of time. You know, I'm only
Speaker 12: twenty nine, and sure we have lots of representation and
Speaker 12: diversity now, and it's you know, people are very encouraging
Speaker 12: and they're very aware of the language that they use.
Speaker 12: But still, when I was in you know, year three
Speaker 12: or four, I remember girls to he me and telling
Speaker 12: me that I was gay. And you know, that's at an
Speaker 12: age that I knew that I was different, but I
Speaker 12: didn't necessarily know why it was different. And it's definitely
Speaker 12: far beyond any sort of sexual feelings develop and you know,
Speaker 12: it's still being pointed out that you are different because
Speaker 12: of this thing. It's it definitely that planted a seed
Speaker 12: for a while, you know, and it's kind of plants
Speaker 12: that seed of you're wrong for this reason and that's
Speaker 12: a bad thing. And I think that that kind of
Speaker 12: often develops in a lot of queer people to be
Speaker 12: a sort of self hating thing because that's what they're
Speaker 12: told as kids.
Speaker 2: And how do you think you've evolved that or how
Speaker 2: did you evolve that?
Speaker 1: Because clearly that's you don't seem to lack confidence or
Speaker 1: value in yourself.
Speaker 12: I definitely think a large part of it is my
Speaker 12: family and my parents. You know, they always very much
Speaker 12: encouraged me to be whoever I wanted to be. The
Speaker 12: conversation was always very open. I never needed to come out,
Speaker 12: I never needed There was never this straight until proven
Speaker 12: otherwise kind of mentality. And because they gave me space
Speaker 12: to sort of explore who I was, and small things
Speaker 12: like dyeing my hair and wearing different clothes and stuff
Speaker 12: like that without question or judgment kind of allowed me
Speaker 12: to resettle my feelings and kind of discover who I was,
Speaker 12: and I'm forever very grateful for that.
Speaker 7: We just let him be who he is and what
Speaker 7: a great result.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, that's right. We talk a lot about
Speaker 5: our son, and very similar. Mind you, he's a he's
Speaker 5: a he's a beefcake now, you know in his shorts
Speaker 5: and T shirts.
Speaker 3: Loves them.
Speaker 5: But when he was a little boy, like he just
Speaker 5: really loved to wear women's his sister's clothing, and was
Speaker 5: if it was Halloween, it was Lady Gaga, it was
Speaker 5: the good Witch of the North, like he always chose.
Speaker 2: Of the West.
Speaker 7: We need to hang out all love him.
Speaker 3: He's awesome.
Speaker 5: What I remember so vividly is, you know, someone asked
Speaker 5: him he had this big twirly skirt that he loved
Speaker 5: to wear, and someone said, why why are you wearing that?
Speaker 3: Reven, He goes, because it just feels so good.
Speaker 5: On my legs, and I went, yeah, like that makes
Speaker 5: so much sense to me, Like why can't he wear this?
Speaker 5: You know, not that he didn't. We never ever, ever
Speaker 5: said no to any of that. And you know, and
Speaker 5: my mum and dad, God loved them. They just thought
Speaker 5: it was delightful. And you know, they take him shopping
Speaker 5: at the costume store and it was straight to the
Speaker 5: princess to the princess outfit. It Fell's outfit. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: just better like it was just yeah, And I think
Speaker 5: that's really hug to hear.
Speaker 7: Well, he have a tutu that he was very fond of.
Speaker 6: Are the best to dress up.
Speaker 7: In the scotsmen have been doing it for centuries?
Speaker 3: Yes, and they're as sexy as helen those kil.
Speaker 1: Next up, we have International Drag Superstar and two times
Speaker 1: runner Round two dimes runner up on RuPaul's Drag Race,
Speaker 1: Hannah Conda.
Speaker 3: Anna Conder. She is one special person.
Speaker 5: This one pretty much had you on the verge of tears, Honey.
Speaker 5: In fact, I think it had its both on the
Speaker 5: aberge of tears.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was that moment where I read the excerpt or
Speaker 1: the quote that was online from his dad and it
Speaker 1: was basically a letter or about his son, how he
Speaker 1: felt about his son, and it just touched me because
Speaker 1: father sons. Yeah, of course acceptance. That still touches me
Speaker 1: when I think about it, because it's so important that
Speaker 1: we one acknowledge our children but also speak of them
Speaker 1: in that way. I mean, I think our words are
Speaker 1: so powerful. I think they're like spells. And he cast
Speaker 1: a gorgeous spell.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
Speaker 5: And Hannah conder Is is the person that she is
Speaker 5: today because of the way you know, they were raised,
Speaker 5: and just it had us all feeling so emotional, and
Speaker 5: she's so proud of her father.
Speaker 3: And her whole family.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's just jump straight into it before
Speaker 1: it gets me going again.
Speaker 3: We have a quote here from your dad.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, and it was.
Speaker 3: In a response to a really shitty article hateful woman.
Speaker 10: I remember her.
Speaker 3: Do you want to read it?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh, of it.
Speaker 3: It's so beautiful because.
Speaker 1: This is going to I think because we have a son,
Speaker 1: River who's been dressing in well he hasn't he hasn't
Speaker 1: kept up kept up with her, but he certainly for
Speaker 1: all of his boyhood he dressed as princesses and loves
Speaker 1: and so I think this is going to he So
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can read.
Speaker 6: It, because I haven't read it.
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to take a big deep breath, say
Speaker 2: why not? Okay, Yeah, this is okay.
Speaker 1: My son is Hannaconda, a drag queen, and a very
Speaker 1: good one at that. He is a beautiful human being
Speaker 1: who has dedicated much of his life, to his craft,
Speaker 1: his family, and above all, his community. I too will
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes political posting mama to protect my children.
Speaker 1: But my job as a parent is to give them
Speaker 1: a good grounding in their life and to be supportive
Speaker 1: of their endeavors, to lead by example guide them to
Speaker 1: becoming good citizens in our wider community. I have seen
Speaker 1: firsthand and way too often, the terrible sadness that exists
Speaker 1: with young people who are not accepted by their own
Speaker 1: families because they are merely gay. If you really want
Speaker 1: to make a difference in the world we live in,
Speaker 1: start by being a nice person.
Speaker 4: Oh that's your dad, that's your dad. Dad, he is
Speaker 4: he is like he I have said it before. He's
Speaker 4: my like he is my my, my hero. Both my
Speaker 4: mum and my dad are very very called them new age.
Speaker 4: We we'd like when we grew up. We did like reiki,
Speaker 4: we did hands on healing as a family. You know,
Speaker 4: we've always been like like things were going wrong with
Speaker 4: like mental health or whatever.
Speaker 10: We'd be like. Therapy was a big thing too. We're
Speaker 10: a very open family.
Speaker 4: We talk about a lot of stuff, and I think
Speaker 4: that sometimes gets Jack a little bit because.
Speaker 10: I'm a talker.
Speaker 4: I'm an open book and we and like our family
Speaker 4: is very very open and like Jack sometimes goes, oh
Speaker 4: my god, just you know, this is a.
Speaker 10: Lot of feelings.
Speaker 3: He's also British is.
Speaker 4: Also yeah, they're very reserved and they don't really do that.
Speaker 4: But my dad, he he is just an example of
Speaker 4: somebody that you know, can't understand how anybody could not
Speaker 4: love their child for for who they are, Like they
Speaker 4: take us where where they guide us and that and
Speaker 4: that's the fundamental lesson he's always taught us, is that
Speaker 4: we just we pay our taxes and we be good people.
Speaker 10: Like that is it?
Speaker 4: You know, he said you could have nothing, but as
Speaker 4: long as you smile and be a good person, that's
Speaker 4: all I want from my children.
Speaker 10: And I think that's a really important lesson.
Speaker 3: And something what else is there?
Speaker 4: You know, Like people want to work and be around
Speaker 4: nice people and that are easy to easy to be around.
Speaker 4: And my dad is definitely that person. He's Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: a superhero.
Speaker 10: He really is.
Speaker 4: When he wrote that as well, like it just I
Speaker 4: didn't know he was doing that, and oh I just
Speaker 4: melted my heart, like because I was. I wasn't because
Speaker 4: in drag you. Over the years, there's been so many
Speaker 4: things staring us, but we get a thick skin, like
Speaker 4: we very thick skin. So even though that, you know,
Speaker 4: because I was getting death threats, so I was getting
Speaker 4: all these horrible things sent to me, and I just
Speaker 4: didn't let it face me because you just carry on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But my dad he was like, no, I'm not standing
Speaker 4: for this because he has seen when he's come to
Speaker 4: the bars, how many kids deserted by their family and
Speaker 4: they become like surrogate parents yea. And they sit there
Speaker 4: and they talk to them and they have all these
Speaker 4: like you know, kids all around them, just sitting and.
Speaker 10: Enjoying and they love it.
Speaker 4: There's a photo of them that goes on their on
Speaker 4: their TV at home with them and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: there are leather daddy friends that they've met. There's just
Speaker 4: these old older couple that live in Sydney and there
Speaker 4: there the leather daddies.
Speaker 10: We love our leather daddy friends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they just you know, nothing, And I feel
Speaker 4: like that's very similar to the two of you. It's like,
Speaker 4: I think your essence is very much the same as
Speaker 4: what my parents are. And you know, you just take
Speaker 4: people where they're at and just yeah, you know, who's
Speaker 4: just being a good person and you both do that,
Speaker 4: and I feel like you'd.
Speaker 3: Get along with my mom, And I loved that already.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're funny, all right.
Speaker 3: If I had to choose a favorite.
Speaker 5: Episode, would you, I'm going to have to choose this one.
Speaker 1: I got a text message from someone who I don't
Speaker 1: know very well, was a neighbor, yeah, saying that she
Speaker 1: listened to this episode.
Speaker 2: And how much it touched her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she I mean, she was like, I knew
Speaker 1: people were nice, but I had no idea of what
Speaker 1: the conversations are like inside your home. She walks past
Speaker 1: the home every day with Doc, and it was just
Speaker 1: such a delightful text to receive about this episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, we of course are talking about the first time
Speaker 5: ever we had our very own son, riv riverd River
Speaker 5: Dado on the podcast.
Speaker 1: We spoke about a lot of hilarious life moments and
Speaker 1: some of your he is most challenging, and the one
Speaker 1: that where we're living today involved all of us Dados.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And you know, for any person who is gay and
Speaker 5: coming out, if we use that word, it's a very
Speaker 5: raw or it can be a very raw and vulnerable experience,
Speaker 5: even though it should just it should just be nothing.
Speaker 3: It should just be who they are and fully accepting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It's it's enough that we have to sort of out
Speaker 5: people or make a big deal of people being gay.
Speaker 5: It's just who you love is who you love. And
Speaker 5: that's something that we've always talked about with our kids.
Speaker 5: But you know, society reaped its way with even riv And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks about that without further ado. This is
Speaker 2: our son.
Speaker 1: So you said between eight and nine that you kind
Speaker 1: of had that recognition with yourself that you weren't into girls.
Speaker 1: It took a little while longer than that for you
Speaker 1: to come out. Yeah, and when you came out to.
Speaker 2: Us, there were a lot of tears for you.
Speaker 6: I didn't you asked me, Yeah, you asked me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how was that for you that time, that
Speaker 1: that moment, although that leading up to that, and how
Speaker 1: was it through that and how did you feel once
Speaker 1: the cat was out of the bags?
Speaker 6: Weird?
Speaker 13: It was weird because I felt like, you have like
Speaker 13: this and it wasn't even that like I didn't think
Speaker 13: you guys were going to accept it or anything like that.
Speaker 13: It just I just didn't feel like ready, Like I
Speaker 13: was like, I don't really want I don't know how
Speaker 13: to have this conversation. Yeah, I don't know how to
Speaker 13: like initiate it. I think so probably it was a
Speaker 13: good thing that you guys did ask, because it probably
Speaker 13: would have taken a lot longer for me to say anything.
Speaker 6: Anyways. But yeah, no, that day was that was a
Speaker 6: crap day. That was a bad day.
Speaker 13: Because yeah, I remember I'd like, you didn't like the
Speaker 13: group of friends that I was with. They knew i'd
Speaker 13: come out to them, and then you guys, I had
Speaker 13: they'd set me up on the apps and then I
Speaker 13: remember that the apps was connected to my old iPad
Speaker 13: that I'd given to Body, and Body was getting messages
Speaker 13: and it was just like it was.
Speaker 6: It was. It was a messy, messy day.
Speaker 13: I remember we were I was supposed to have dinner
Speaker 13: with those group of friends and I we were on
Speaker 13: a walking down the street and Dad's car pulls up
Speaker 13: when I was like, oh, I was like, Dad, you're early,
Speaker 13: and he's like, no, I'm here to pick you up. Yeah,
Speaker 13: silence on the way home. And then it wasn't until
Speaker 13: later on that you kind of said that you knew
Speaker 13: everything and asked me, and yeah, I remember crying. I
Speaker 13: think I said sorry. I said sorry to you guys,
Speaker 13: I apologize. So that was probably, yeah, a little bit
Speaker 13: of shame hidden hidden down in there for sure, Yeah,
Speaker 13: because I don't know why else I would have apologized.
Speaker 13: But you feel you feel so much better once you
Speaker 13: once you actually come out.
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, there was so much around that time,
Speaker 5: like there was a lot of there was a lot
Speaker 5: of hiding of other things that was happening. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: we were really like, what is happening to rib like,
Speaker 5: and it was yeah, that group of friends that were
Speaker 5: kind of a new group of friends were just getting
Speaker 5: into some stuff that was really illegal and like not great,
Speaker 5: and that was what we were concerned with. And then
Speaker 5: that question just came out and it was it was
Speaker 5: it was heartbreaking to hear your apology. It still breaks
Speaker 5: my heart that there was that you still that you
Speaker 5: felt the need to say sorry, because that was something
Speaker 5: that I felt like I'd really wanted you to know that.
Speaker 3: And even just the fact that we asked you.
Speaker 5: Like some days I just go there was no need
Speaker 5: to come out, there's no need to ask the question,
Speaker 5: you know, we just wondered if there was something connected
Speaker 5: to that that was causing the distress in your life
Speaker 5: because you hadn't sort of said, look, yeah I am gay.
Speaker 5: So that was why that question came out the way
Speaker 5: it did. But I know, like, I feel like a
Speaker 5: lot of things changed after that. I feel like it
Speaker 5: did kind of really break the tension. You sort of
Speaker 5: got back with your old friends and sort of Yeah,
Speaker 5: there was like this sort of ease after that from
Speaker 5: our perspective anyway.
Speaker 13: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think that that
Speaker 13: definitely happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: When I told you, you were like, oh, we've known
Speaker 6: since you were two.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that was that was what I Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well we thought we knew. For me, there was a question.
Speaker 7: Then for me there was a bit of like.
Speaker 1: Because I you know, I've tried so hard to get
Speaker 1: you into Bury looking for the motive bombers.
Speaker 2: And be.
Speaker 1: Part of footy and stuff and to find ways to
Speaker 1: connect with you and whether that be as we you know,
Speaker 1: cooking or the doll dressmaking or whatever it was that
Speaker 1: all those things that you were you were into and
Speaker 1: the question I would say, I wonder if is he gay?
Speaker 2: Is he not gay?
Speaker 1: And Alan and I Mum and I would talk about it,
Speaker 1: and then it became it doesn't matter, does it matter
Speaker 1: if he is or not? And then I remember Lotus
Speaker 1: came to me, uh, probably maybe a year or so
Speaker 1: before you'd finally come out, and she said, Dad, she goes,
Speaker 1: he's not gay. Ah, he's not gay. And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean he's not gay? She said, well,
Speaker 1: he left.
Speaker 2: His diary or you know, in my room and I
Speaker 2: read it, and the stuff that he's writing about.
Speaker 13: He's not.
Speaker 6: She read it.
Speaker 13: She was young too, well, she knew better than to
Speaker 13: read someone's diary well wherever it will just say she
Speaker 13: knew about her.
Speaker 6: I'm going to text her after that.
Speaker 3: That's true. Talking more about that.
Speaker 7: I am true. I am sure about it.
Speaker 2: But she said, maybe maybe you didn't read the She
Speaker 2: just said what I read.
Speaker 1: What he wrote about so and so, huh, and whether
Speaker 1: it was maybe I'm elaborating on the diary issue.
Speaker 13: She's still a sneak, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Alrighty well, this is our final moment we wanted to
Speaker 1: share with you today. It comes from one of our
Speaker 1: most enjoyable, laugh filled interviews of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I remember having a sore face after this song from
Speaker 5: laughing so much. Anthony Cola and Tim Campbell had us
Speaker 5: in fits of laughter from the moment there in the studio,
Speaker 5: and when we asked him if they liked karaoke, they
Speaker 5: followed up the question with a really hilarious tale.
Speaker 1: What does being a dolphin trainer and singing karaoke have
Speaker 1: in common?
Speaker 2: Well, you're about to find out.
Speaker 3: Take a listen karaoke. Are you into karaoke?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 6: Iao?
Speaker 14: I hate it in Australia.
Speaker 1: What I do like though, Why why Australia is because
Speaker 1: you're well known.
Speaker 14: Well, I just like to have a bit of fun,
Speaker 14: especially when we go to La and I used to
Speaker 14: do this quite a bit, Like they used to be
Speaker 14: this bar up the road, and like they used to
Speaker 14: have like a drink tab on offer, you know if
Speaker 14: you won the competition for like three hundred bucks or something.
Speaker 14: And I'm just like okay. So we went with a
Speaker 14: few friends and I like to make up names. So
Speaker 14: I'm usually Adam and I'm a dolphin trainer from the
Speaker 14: Gold Coast. Tim Shrevor, he works for his parents building company.
Speaker 14: And then another friend she works in charity, and she like,
Speaker 14: I just make up all these stories and then we're
Speaker 14: all singers, and so we get up and kill yeah,
Speaker 14: and then I do this whole thing. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 14: I'm so embarrassed, blah blah. My go to is always
Speaker 14: Richard Marks right here waiting, and I literally add every
Speaker 14: single ad lib that I can. And then this is
Speaker 14: the thing that I realized very quickly when you rock
Speaker 14: up to a very serious karaoke competition, is that they
Speaker 14: don't like you if you come across like you're a
Speaker 14: professional singer and you get deaf eyes. And so I
Speaker 14: literally got disqualified from karaoke in La at a gay.
Speaker 3: Bite because you were too good.
Speaker 13: Yeah I do.
Speaker 7: I do like the story all the time.
Speaker 14: I'm always like, you know, Adam a dolphin trainer from
Speaker 14: the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, I got disqualified mud wrestling in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: because I was too good at wrestling.
Speaker 6: They free me out.
Speaker 3: That is an actual true story.
Speaker 13: Hilarious.
Speaker 7: I like to do more about Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: He was also wrestling a woman in a bikini.
Speaker 6: Heaven, You're.
Speaker 2: Smash.
Speaker 9: You and us go to very different bars.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: That's the I mean. We had a lot of queer
Speaker 1: voices on separate bathrooms this year, and it was really.
Speaker 2: Difficult to choose yes, so we did our best.
Speaker 1: If you want to go back and revisit other episodes,
Speaker 1: please feel free listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I'm going to say, go back and listen to the
Speaker 5: whole thing because all of them are delightful. We really
Speaker 5: enjoyed talking to everyone that we mentioned today.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, it's it's a really good beach
Speaker 1: podcast listening. If you're lying on the on the sand,
Speaker 1: enjoying the enjoying the sun and the sand, you know, well,
Speaker 1: we'll catch up with the next time on separate bathroom.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, mm hmm.