1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Separate Bathrooms. We would like to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: acknowledge the Gadigal people of the e Or nation, the 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: the elders, both past and present. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: My name's Cam Daddo, Mali Daddo. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: How are you, honey? 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Haven't we had such a fantastic year this year on 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Separate Bathrooms. We've had some incredible guests and couples sharing 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: this stories. 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: I know, we've had a really varied list of people 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: this year, which has been so exciting, and we've been 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: so privileged to hear many wonderful, heartwarming stories of relationships 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: from all kinds, and some of the most gripping and 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: vulnerable moments I think have really come from those in 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: the queer and lgbt QIA communities. 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: We've had some rippers. 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and well, let's go straight to the heart of it. 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 5: Let's go. 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: I know you're going our own son. What we thought 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: we'd do today is relive and celebrate some of our 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: favorite moments of the year on Separate Bathrooms from all 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: the queer voices that we've had on the show. 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's one it's our first in the lineup 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: that we just was. It was just hilarious the retelling 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: of the proposal between Reyes Nicholson and Kyron Wheatley. 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: Whilst it wasn't one of the most romantic ways to propose, 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: it certainly make for a great story. 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 5: Have a listen. 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: Now you guys got married last year? 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, and September finally congratulations, Yeah, give me great stuff. 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 7: It was a lot of fun. 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Was there a proposal? 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: Take us through that and who proposed multiple. 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 6: It's a bone of contention within our relationship. Really, I mean, 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 6: I've made it that way. 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 8: Do you mean to tell my version of the story 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 8: and then you can? 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 7: Reese's version of this story is stand up so. 40 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 9: You'll get Yeah, I love it. 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 10: I'm buying a ticket. 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: Here we go. 43 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I actually don't remember how the stand 44 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 6: up used to go, But essentially what happened was we 45 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 6: went to a friend's wedding after we'd been together for 46 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 6: quite a while, but not like maybe five years, so 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 6: many of maybe. 48 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Five or six. 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 7: Marriage wasn't legal at the time for us. 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, gay marriage wasn't wasn't legal in it right, But 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 6: we'd gone to a friend's wedding, and it was a 52 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 6: pretty like incredible one, one of those ones that you're like, oh, 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 6: this is what all weddings should be like. And then 54 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 6: we foun out how much it cost. It was like, 55 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 6: oh God, no wedding should be like this. And Karen 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 6: was doing breakfast radio at the time and had to 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 6: be home quite early, so the idea was we'll go 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 6: to the reception for a little while. And then I 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 6: just accidentally got like blind on wedding champagnes, just in 60 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 6: that kind of you can't count kind of ways where 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 6: they just keep filling it up and people are doing speech. Yeah, 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 6: keep filling it up and filling it up. And Karen 63 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 6: was not drunk at all, and I was just like 64 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 6: making I wasn't a nuisance, but I was just getting 65 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 6: getting champagne. 66 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, But. 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 6: I do remember being and this is not a feeling 68 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 6: that I usually have, but like I was quite overwhelmed 69 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 6: by like the loveliness of it. Like I'm a pretty 70 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 6: cynical person most of the time, but I would say, 71 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 6: like this is so beautiful and like this is how 72 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 6: and some of our best friends are doing speeches and 73 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 6: blah blah blah. 74 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 8: And I kind of already planned in my head. 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'm going to propose to Karen, 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 6: Like this is a few weeks before, and I was 77 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 6: trying to think of like a way to do it, 78 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 6: and I hadn't organized like a ring or anything. And 79 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 6: then Karen like got me home and like with putting 80 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 6: me to bed in that way that only I think 81 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 6: certain like that kind of like come on, mate, nine 82 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 6: nyes down, she. 83 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 7: Goes shoes off. I think, yeah, that. 84 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 8: Kind of like you're very not sexy undressing of your partner. 85 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 8: And I was just I kept saying this phrase that 87 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 8: was like. 88 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 6: It was just such a good wedding. Wasn't it a 89 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 6: good wedding? I just kept like saying over and over 90 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 6: it was just a beautiful wedding. And Kara was like 91 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 6: trying to go to sleep, and it's like, yeah, it 92 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: was really great. 93 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 7: I gotta go to fleet and it's also four am. 94 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got to be on air in like two hours, 95 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 6: and I just had this like epiphany moment whatever a 96 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 6: negative epiphany is, and I said. 97 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 8: Hey, would you it was a good wedding and would 98 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 8: you do that also? 99 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 6: And Karen was like sorry, what and I said would 100 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 6: you would you do that also? And he's like and 101 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 6: like I remember the lamp going back on and him 102 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 6: like sitting up and going, are you are you proposing 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 6: to me right now? 104 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 9: And I was like yeah. 105 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 6: And then I remember him saying, well, if you're going 106 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 6: to propose to me, you need if you asked me 107 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 6: to marry you need to actually ask me to marry you. 108 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 6: And I just said, fine, will you fucking marry me? 109 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 6: That was my proposal? 110 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 7: I said yes, And then I went to work that 111 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 7: morning and I was on air with Genfricker at the 112 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 7: time on Triple J, and I I knew that when 113 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 7: I got home from work, I would have to see 114 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 7: if Reese remembered proposing to me. 115 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 116 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 11: Yeah, So I wasn't able to yet tell anyone, share 117 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 11: the news with anyone in case I got excitement. Yeah, 118 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 11: So I'm just holding that in. And then when I 119 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 11: got home, I was like a little budgy like, hello. 120 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 7: Do you do you remember anything about this morning? 121 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 8: Do you remember what you actually said? 122 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 6: So I wear this ring I've always this is like 123 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 6: an heirloom, like this was my great grandfather's wedding band. 124 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 6: And the way that you asked and I think this 125 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 6: is actually quite this is a very youth thing to do, 126 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 6: where you were being very careful and you said, you know, 127 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 6: after last night, you might need to move that over 128 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 6: to the other finger. And if I was to say, 129 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 6: I don't know what you're talking about, you could move 130 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 6: on from that pretty quickly, I'd imagine. But I had, 131 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 6: and I just I could. I had woken up and 132 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: I remember doing it. But then automatic hangover shame mixed 133 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 6: with terrible proposal shame, a toxic cocktail that no, I'm 134 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 6: and of burgas can fit. 135 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 8: But then Kirroen, well, yeah, I did a much better job. 136 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 7: So then was it the same year? 137 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're talking days, weeks, months apart. 138 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 11: Yes, Well, I just felt it was unfair. I felt 139 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 11: it was unfair that I wasn't allowed to propose now, 140 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 11: and I think had like maybe grown up thinking that 141 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 11: i'd propose a bit more. Maybe that was just like 142 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 11: in my head. And then so I was like, well, 143 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 11: screw it, I'm just going to propose back. That was 144 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 11: a bad proposal anyway, So let's do a better one. 145 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 7: Let's go let's go around again. 146 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 6: But then I also then by me being as drunk 147 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 6: that I was, and you were sober as I was, 148 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 6: we weren't really able to, like you know, usually i'd 149 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 6: imagine after you get proposed to and you say yes, 150 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 6: there's like a kind. 151 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 9: Of some sort of consummation of that moment. But we didn't. 152 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 6: It would have been probably laws against Kiren having sex 153 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 6: with me in the state. 154 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 7: That I was in. 155 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: So up next, we've got a really beautiful moment between 156 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: father and son, Richard and Christian Welkins. I know Richard's 157 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: a good mate of yours, and no parent obviously likes 158 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: to see their child bullied. And Richard is such a 159 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: gorgeous example of how tough it can be for parents 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: to see this sort of behavior aimed at their children, 161 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: and how he felt about yeah. 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So amongst this adversity, Christian was able to thrive 163 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: in an accepting, an open environment thanks to his his 164 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: amazing parents and transform into the incredible person that we 165 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: know Christian Wilkins to be today. 166 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: So true, So do have a listen to this one, Christian. 167 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: You have been so beautiful and vulnerable and open about 168 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: being bullied in your earlier years. And I know again 169 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, talking about when someone that you love is 170 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: being attacked in some way. I guess the question for 171 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: you is, actually, Richard, how was that? Did you know 172 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: that that was happening? And how did you feel? 173 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 5: No, I wasn't so aware of him being bullied at school, 174 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 5: like physically bullied. I remember coming home from work one 175 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 5: day when he was there and telling him about an 176 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 5: article in the paper about him being the spoilt little 177 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: whatever who'd gone along to a function that I was hosting, 178 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: the Mother of All Boars, with Brian Brown and Rachel 179 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 5: Watt and their kids, and one of the gospel columnists 180 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: wrote this hideous article and it broke my heart, and 181 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 5: I didn't want him to hear about it from anybody else. So, 182 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: sitting on the end of his bed, I was disgusted 183 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 5: by that, because that really is bullying, public. 184 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Bullying and picking on children. 185 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: So how did you? How did you do that? What 186 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 4: did you say to Christian? In that moment? I started 187 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 4: from telling him about it. 188 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 5: I'm telling I'm sorry, there's a horrible piece in the 189 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 5: paper today, but I want to tell you about it. 190 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 5: Do you want me to read it to you or 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 5: you just want to ignore? I can't even remember where 192 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 5: we went from them, but you know, I don't think 193 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 5: you read it to me. I don't know if I 194 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 5: needed to be read it. Well, whatever I think I 195 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 5: read it, I wanted you to be aware. Yeah, so 196 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 5: that's pretty awful. You hate seeing you know, people you love, 197 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 5: you know, child or anybody being treated badly. It's just 198 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 5: as simple as that. And for a person to attack 199 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: a kid in such a public forum, I think I 200 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 5: just hated them pretty much. But I wasn't aware of 201 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 5: what was going on at school. I think he pretty 202 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 5: much kept that to yourself, didn't you know. 203 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I told mum, because I guess teachers knew. 204 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 12: I think it's just I think it's sometimes easy to 205 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 12: actually forget how far we've come in quite a short 206 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 12: period of time. You know, I'm only twenty nine, and 207 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 12: sure we have lots of representation and diversity now, and 208 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 12: it's you know, people are very encouraging and they're very 209 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 12: aware of the language that they use. But still, when 210 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 12: I was in you know, year three or four, I 211 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 12: remember girls to see me and telling me that I 212 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 12: was gay. And you know, that's an age that I 213 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 12: knew that I was different, but I didn't necessarily know 214 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 12: why I was different, and it's definitely far beyond any 215 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 12: sort of sexual feelings develop and you know, it's still 216 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 12: being pointed out that you are different because of this thing. 217 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 12: It's it definitely that planted a seed for a while, 218 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 12: you know, and it's kind of plants that seed of 219 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 12: you're wrong for this reason and that's a bad thing. 220 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 12: And I think that that kind of often develops in 221 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 12: a lot of queer people to be a sort of 222 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 12: self hating thing because that's what they're told as kids. 223 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: And how do you think you've evolved that or how 224 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 4: did you evolve that? 225 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: Because clearly that's you don't seem to lack confidence or 226 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: value in yourself. 227 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 12: I definitely think a large part of it is my 228 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 12: family and my parents. You know, they always very much 229 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 12: encouraged me to be whoever I wanted to be. The 230 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 12: conversation was always very open. I never needed to come out, 231 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 12: I never needed there was never this streep until proven 232 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 12: otherwise kind of mentality. And because they gave me space 233 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 12: to sort of explore who I was, and small things 234 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 12: like dyeing my hair and wearing different clothes and stuff 235 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 12: like that without question or judgment, kind of allowed me 236 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 12: to resettle my feelings and kind of discover who I was. 237 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 12: And I'm forever very grateful for that. 238 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 5: We just let him be who he is and what 239 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: a great result. 240 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. We talk a lot about 241 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: our son, and very similar. Mind you, he's a he's 242 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: a he's a beefcake now, you know, in his shorts 243 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: and T shirts. 244 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: Loves them. But when he was a little. 245 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: Boy, like he just really loved to wear women's his 246 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: sister's clothing, and was if it was Halloween, it was 247 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: Lady Gaga, it was the good Witch of the North, 248 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: like he always chose to character of the West. 249 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 5: He did hang out, all loved him. 250 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: He's awesome. 251 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: What I remember so vividly is, you know, someone asked 252 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: him he had this big twirly skirt that he loved 253 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: to wear, and someone said, why why are you wearing that? Reven, 254 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: He goes, because it just feels so good on my legs, 255 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: and I went, yeah, like that makes so much sense 256 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: to me, Like why can't he wear this? 257 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 9: You know, not that he didn't. 258 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: We never ever ever said no to any of that. 259 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: And you know, and my mum and dad God loved them. 260 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: They just thought it was delightful and you know, they 261 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: take him shopping at the costume store and it was 262 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: straight to the princess, to. 263 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 10: The princess outfit. 264 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: Fell's outfit Yeah, just better like it was just yeah, 265 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: And I think that's really to hear. 266 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: Well, he have a tutu that he was very fond 267 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 5: of age. 268 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: Are the best to dress. 269 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 5: Up in the scotsmen have been doing it for centuries, Yes, 270 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: and they're. 271 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: As sexy as helen those kil. 272 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: Next up, we have International Drag Superstar and two times 273 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: run a Round two Dimes runner up on RuPaul's Drag Race, 274 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Hannah Conda, Anna Conder. 275 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: She is one special person. This one pretty much had 276 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: you on the verge of tears, Honey. In fact, I 277 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: think it had its both on the a verge of tears. 278 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 279 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: It was that moment where I read the excerpt or 280 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: the quote that was online from his dad and it 281 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: was basically a letter or about his son, how he 282 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: felt about his son, and it just touched me because 283 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: father sons. 284 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course acceptance. 285 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: That still touches me when I think about it, because 286 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: it's so important that we one acknowledge our children but 287 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: also speak of them in that way. I mean, I 288 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: think our words are so powerful. I think they're like spells. 289 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: And he cast a gorgeous spell. 290 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah he did. 291 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: And Hannah Conder is is the person that she is 292 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 3: today because of the way you know, they were raised, 293 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 3: and just it had us all feeling so emotional. And 294 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: she's so proud of her father and her whole family. 295 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: So all right, let's just jump straight into it before 296 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: it gets me going again. 297 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 10: We have a quote here from your dad. 298 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 13: Oh yes, and I love this and. 299 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: It was in a response to a really shitty article 300 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: and hateful woman I remember her. 301 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 8: Do you want to read it? 302 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 303 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 4: Oh, of it. 304 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. 305 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: Because this is going to I think because we have 306 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: a son, River who who's been dressing in well he hasn't, 307 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: he hasn't kept up kept up with her, but he 308 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: certainly for all of his boyhood he dressed as princesses 309 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: and loves and so I think this is going to 310 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: he me. So I don't know if I can read it, 311 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: because I haven't ready it. 312 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: No, I'm going to take a big deep breath. Okay, 313 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: why not? Okay, Yeah, this is. 314 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 5: Okay. 315 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: My son is Hannaconda, a drag queen and a very 316 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: good one. At that he is a beautiful human being 317 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: who has dedicated much of his life to his craft, 318 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: his family, and above all, his community. I too, will 319 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes political posting mama to protect my children. 320 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 9: But my job as a. 321 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Parent is to give them a good grounding in their 322 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: life and to be supportive of their endeavors, to lead 323 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: by example guide them to becoming good citizens in our 324 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: wider community. I have seen firsthand and way too often, 325 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: the terrible sadness that exists with young people who are 326 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: not accepted by their own families because they are merely gay. 327 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: If you really want to make a difference in the 328 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: world we live in, start by being a nice person. 329 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 13: Oh that's your dad. 330 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: That's your dad. 331 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 13: Your dad, he is he is like he I have 332 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 13: said it before. He's my like he is my my, 333 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 13: my hero. Both my mum and my dad are very 334 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 13: very called the New Age. We we'd like when we 335 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 13: grew up. We did like reiki, we did hands on healing. 336 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 13: As a family. You know, we've always been like like 337 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 13: things were going wrong with like mental health or whatever. 338 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 8: We'd be like. 339 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 13: Therapy was a big thing too. We're a very open family. 340 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 13: We talk about a lot of stuff. And I think 341 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 13: that sometimes gets Jack a little bit because I'm a talker, 342 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 13: I'm an open book and we and like our family 343 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 13: is very very open and like Jack sometimes goes, oh 344 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 13: my god, you know, this is a lot of feelings. 345 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: He's also British also. 346 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 13: Yeah, they're very reserved and they don't really do that. 347 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 13: But my dad, he he is just an example of 348 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 13: somebody that don't. You can't understand how anybody could not 349 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 13: love their child for for who they are, Like they 350 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 13: take us where where they guide us and that and 351 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 13: that's the fundamental lesson he's always taught us, is that 352 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 13: we just we pay our taxes and we be good people. 353 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 9: Like that is it? 354 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: You know. 355 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 13: He said you could have nothing, but as long as 356 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 13: you smile and be a good person, that's all I 357 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 13: want from my children. 358 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 9: And I think that's a really important lesson. 359 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 13: And somethingbody else is there, you know, like people want 360 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 13: to work and be around nice people and that are 361 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 13: easy to easy to be around. And my dad is 362 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 13: definitely that person. He's Yeah, he's a superhero, he really is. 363 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 13: When he wrote that as well, like it just I 364 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 13: didn't know he was doing that, and oh I just 365 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 13: melted my heart, like because I was. I wasn't because 366 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 13: in Dragon over the years, there's been so many things 367 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 13: during us, but we get a thick skin, like we're 368 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 13: very thick skin. So even though that, you know, because 369 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 13: I was getting death threats, I was getting all these 370 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 13: horrible things sent to me, and I just didn't let 371 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 13: it face me because you just carry on. 372 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 373 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 13: But my dad he was like, no, I'm not standing 374 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 13: for this because he has seen when he's come to 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 13: the bars, how many kids deserted by their family and 376 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 13: they become like surrogate parents and they sit there and 377 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 13: they talk and then they have all these like you know, 378 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 13: kids all around them, just sitting and enjoying and they 379 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 13: love it. There's a photo of them that goes on 380 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 13: their on their TV at home with them and they're like, oh, 381 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 13: there are our leather daddy friends that they met. There's 382 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 13: just these old older couple that live in Sydney and 383 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 13: there there the leather daddies. We love our leather daddy friends. Yeah, 384 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 13: but they just you know, nothing face And I feel 385 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 13: like that's very similar to the two of you. It's like, 386 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 13: I think your essence is very much the same as 387 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 13: what my parents are and you know, you just take 388 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 13: people where they're at and just yeah, you know who's 389 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 13: just being a good person And you both do that, 390 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 13: and I feel like along with my mom. 391 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 10: And I loved that already. 392 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, they're funny. 393 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: All right. 394 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 10: If I had to choose a favorite. 395 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: Episode, would you, I'm going to have to choose this one. 396 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I got a text message from someone who I don't 397 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: know very well, was a neighbor, yeah, saying that she 398 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: listened to this. 399 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: Episode and how much it touched her. 400 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she I mean, she was like, I knew 401 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: people were nice, but I had no idea of what 402 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: the conversations are like inside your home. She walks past 403 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: the home every day with dog, and it was just 404 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: such a delightful text to receive about this episode. 405 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 406 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: Well, we of course are talking about the first time 407 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: ever we had our very own son, riv riverd River 408 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: Dado on the podcast. 409 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: We spoke about a lot of hilarious life moments and 410 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: some of you is most challenging, and the one that 411 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: where we're living today involved all of us Dados. 412 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. 413 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 3: And you know, for any person who is gay and 414 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 3: coming out, if we use that word, it's a very 415 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: raw or it can be a very raw and vulnerable experience, 416 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: even though it should just it should just be nothing. 417 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: It should just be who they are and fully accepted. 418 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: You know. It's it's enough that we have to sort 419 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: of out. 420 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: People or make a big deal of people being gay. 421 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: It's just who you love is who you love. And 422 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: that's something that we've always talked about with our kids. 423 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: But you know, society reaped its way with even Riv 424 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: And yeah. 425 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: He talks about that without further ado. 426 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: This is our son River. 427 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: So you said between eight and nine that you kind 428 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: of had that recognition with yourself that you weren't into girls. 429 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 5: It took a little. 430 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: While longer than that for you to come out. Yeah, 431 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: and when you came out to us, there were a 432 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: lot of tears for you. 433 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 9: I didn't you asked me, Yeah, you asked me. 434 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So how was that for you that time, that moment, 435 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: although that leading up to that, and how was it 436 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: through that and how did you feel once the cat 437 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: was out of the bags? 438 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 9: Weird? 439 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 14: It was weird because I felt like, you have like 440 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 14: this and it wasn't even that like I didn't think 441 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 14: you guys were going to accept it or anything like that. 442 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 14: It just I just didn't feel like ready, Like I 443 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 14: was like, I don't really want I don't know how 444 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 14: to have this conversation. 445 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know how to like initiate it. 446 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 14: I think so probably it was a good thing that 447 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 14: you guys did ask, because it probably would have taken 448 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 14: a lot longer for me to say anything anyways. 449 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 9: But yeah, no, that day was that was a crap day. 450 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 9: That was a bad day. 451 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 14: Because like, yeah, I remember, I'd like, you didn't like 452 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 14: the group of friends that I was with. They knew 453 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 14: i'd come out to them, and then you guys they'd 454 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 14: set me up on the apps. 455 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 9: And then I remember. 456 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 14: That the apps was connected to my old iPad that 457 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 14: I'd given to body and Bodie was getting messages and 458 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 14: it was just like it was it was. 459 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 9: It was a messy, messy day. 460 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 14: I remember we were I was supposed to have dinner 461 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 14: with those group of friends and I we were on 462 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 14: a walking down the street and Dad's car pulls up 463 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 14: when I was like, oh, I was like, Dad, you're early, 464 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 14: and he's like, no, I'm here to pick you up. 465 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, silence on. 466 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,719 Speaker 14: The way home. And then it wasn't until later on 467 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 14: that you kind of said that you knew everything and 468 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 14: asked me, and yeah, I remember crying. I think I 469 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 14: said sorry, I said sorry to you guys, I apologize, 470 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 14: So that was probably, yeah, a little bit of shame 471 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 14: hidden hidden down in there for sure, Yeah, because I 472 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 14: don't know why else I would have apologized for it. 473 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 14: But you feel, you feel so much better once you 474 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 14: once you actually come out. 475 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, there was so much around that time, 476 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: like there was a lot of there was a lot 477 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: of hiding of other things that was happening. Yeah, so 478 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: we were really like, what is happening to rib like, 479 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 3: and it was yeah, that group of friends that were 480 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: kind of a new group of friends were just getting 481 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: into some stuff that was really illegal and like not great, 482 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: and that was what we were concerned with. And then 483 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 3: that question just came out and it was it was 484 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: it was heartbreaking to hear your apology. It still breaks 485 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 3: my heart that there was that you still that you 486 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: felt the need to say sorry, because that was something 487 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: that I felt like I'd really wanted you to know that, 488 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: And even just the fact that we asked you, Like 489 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 3: some days I just go there was no need to 490 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: come out, there's no need to ask the question you know, 491 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: we just wondered if there was something connected to that 492 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: that was causing the distress in your life, because you 493 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: hadn't sort of said, look, yeah I am gay. 494 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 10: So that was why that question came out. 495 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: The way it did. 496 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 10: But I know, like, I feel like a lot of. 497 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: Things changed after that. I feel like it did kind 498 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: of really break the tension. You sort of got back 499 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: with your old friends and sort of Yeah, there was 500 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: like this sort of ease after that from our perspective anyway. 501 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 14: Yeah, definitely, yeah, Yeah, for sure, I think that that 502 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 14: definitely happened. 503 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 504 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 9: When I told you, you were like, oh, we've known 505 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 9: since you were too. 506 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was what I Yeah, yeah, yeah, 507 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: well we thought we knew. 508 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 4: For me, there was a question. Then for me there 509 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 4: was a bit of like because. 510 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I you know, I've tried so hard to get you 511 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: in too Bury for the Motive Bombers. 512 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 4: And be. 513 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: Part of footy and stuff and to find ways to 514 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: connect with you and whether that be as we you know, 515 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: cooking or the doll dressmaking or whatever it was that 516 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: all those things that you were you were into. 517 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: And the question I would say. 518 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 9: Wonder if he's he gay? 519 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: Is he not gay and all, and I Mum and 520 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I would talk about it, and then it became it 521 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, does it matter if he is or not? 522 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: And then I remember Lotus came to me, uh, probably 523 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: maybe a year or so before you'd finally come out, 524 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: and she said, Dad, she goes, he's not gay. Ah, 525 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: he's not gay. And I said, well, what do you 526 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: mean he's not gay? She said, well, he left his 527 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: diary or you know, in my room, and I read it, 528 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: and the stuff that he's writing about. 529 00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 14: He's not. 530 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 9: She read it. 531 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 14: She was young too, well, she knew better than to 532 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 14: read someone's diary. Well wherever it will just say she 533 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 14: knew about her. I'm going to text her after this. 534 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 10: That's true you talking about that. 535 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 5: I am true. I am sure about it. 536 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: But she said maybe maybe you didn't read though. 537 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 4: She just said what I read. 538 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: What he wrote about so and so, huh, and whether 539 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: it was maybe I'm elaborating on the diary issue. 540 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 14: She's still a sneak, but that's fine. 541 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: Alrighty well, this is our final moment we wanted to 542 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: share with you today. It comes from one of our 543 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: most enjoyable laugh Field interviews. 544 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 5: Of the year. 545 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember having a sore face after this one 546 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: from laughing so much. Anthony Coleia and Tim Campbell had 547 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: us in fits of laughter from the moment there in 548 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 3: the studio, and when we asked them if they liked karaoke, 549 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: they followed up the question with a really hilarious tale. 550 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: What does being a dolphin trainer and singing karaoke have 551 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: in common? 552 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 4: Well, you're about to find out. 553 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: Take a listen karaoke. Are you into karaoke? 554 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 7: Okay? 555 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 9: I sake? 556 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 5: I hate it in Australia. 557 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: What I do like though, Why why Australia is because 558 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: you're well known. 559 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 15: Well, I just like to have a bit of fun, 560 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 15: especially when we go to La and I used to 561 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 15: do this quite a bit, Like there used to be 562 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 15: this bar up the road and like they used to 563 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 15: have like a drink tab on off, you know if 564 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 15: you won the competition for like three hundred bucks or something. 565 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 15: And I'm just like okay. So we went with a 566 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 15: few friends and I like to make up names, so 567 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 15: I'm usually Adam and I'm a dolphin trainer from the 568 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 15: Gold Coast. Tim Trevor, he works for his parents building company. 569 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 15: And then another friend, she works in Charity, and she like, 570 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 15: I just make up all these stories and then we're 571 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 15: all singers, and so we get up and kill yeah, 572 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 15: and then I do this whole thing. 573 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I'm so embarrassed, blah blah. 574 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 15: My go to is always Richard Marx right here waiting, 575 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 15: and I literally add every single ad lib that I can. 576 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 15: And then this is the thing that I realized very 577 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 15: quickly when you rock up to a very serious karaoke competition, 578 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 15: is that they don't like you if you come across 579 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 15: like you're a professional singer and you get death eyes. 580 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 15: And so I literally got disqualified. 581 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 5: From karaoke in La at a gay. 582 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 10: Bite because you were too good. 583 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 5: Yeah I do. 584 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 15: I do like the story all the time. I'm always like, 585 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 15: you know, Adam a dolphin trainer from the Gold Coast. 586 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, I got disqualified mud wrestling in Los Angeles 587 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: because I was too good at wrestling. 588 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: They free me out. 589 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 10: That is an actual true story. 590 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 7: Hilarious. 591 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 5: I like to do more about it. 592 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, he was. 593 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 10: He was also wrestling a woman in a bikini. 594 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 9: Heaven. 595 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 4: You're smash. 596 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 5: You and us go to very different bars. 597 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. 598 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: That's the I mean, we had a lot of queer 599 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: voices on separate bathrooms this year, and it was really 600 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: difficult to choose, so we did our best. If you 601 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: want to go back and revisit other episodes, please feel 602 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: free listen to the whole thing. 603 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: Going to go back and listen to the whole thing 604 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: because all of them are delightful. We really enjoyed talking 605 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 3: to everyone that we mentioned today. 606 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: I was just thinking, it's it's a really good beach 607 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: podcast listening. If you're lying on the on the sand, 608 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: enjoying the enjoying the sun and the. 609 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 4: Sand, you know, well, we'll catch up with the next. 610 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: Time on separate bathrooms. 611 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, mm hmm.