1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and you still come today you. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Gooday? There. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Bucklow and I've just come out of our 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 3: daily editorial meeting at news dot com at dot AU. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 3: That's where all the reporters get together and talk about 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 3: the stories they're working on. Here's one you can see 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: online later today about the conflict with Iran. Jeremy's going 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 3: to look at like what's going to happen next, like 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: the Nightmas scenarios that couldn't cold Iva Ran takes retribution 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: and what it could do and what it means to 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: the world. 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: It's a little bit heavy, isn't it. You'll be happy 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: to know. 14 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: We've got some lighter stories coming, including what about Miley Cyrus. 15 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 4: And has got Miley Cyrus getting slammed for just some 16 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: gross behavior at a fan meet and greet. She's like 17 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: signing albums with Naomi Campbell or people when like people 18 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 4: are going up to try at a photo and she's 19 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: just like ignoring them. 20 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 5: She just like literally looks like a robot. 21 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 4: She's like signing, pumming it off and just like not 22 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: interacting with the fans. 23 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: We've got a video from inside that meet and greet. 24 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: It is definitely worth a watch, So check that out 25 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: at news dot com at dot au. And while you're 26 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: on that site, you will probably see Mary Madigan's opinion 27 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 3: piece on why she thinks chivalry is dead. She makes 28 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: some very interesting points, so interesting in fact, that I've 29 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: invited her onto today's podcast to discuss her thoughts, feelings, 30 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 3: and emotions on that very topic. 31 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: She'll be with me in just a moment. 32 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: I'm joining the studio now by news dot com dot 33 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: I use Mary Madigan Cada. 34 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: Mary. 35 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: Hello, we are talking about chivalry today. You've got some 36 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: very strong opinions about it. I thought i'd start, though, 37 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: with a quick history lesson. Are you ready? 38 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 5: Yes? 39 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: So, chivalry began in the medieval era as a code 40 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: of conduct for nights, emphasizing bravery, honor, and respect towards women. 41 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: Over time, it has evolved into societal expectations around manners 42 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: and romantic gestures. Now, Mary, let me ask you this, 43 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 3: what does chivalry look like to you in twenty twenty five? 44 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: I think it's like a man that still opens the door. 45 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: They'll stand up for you if you've got like heaps 46 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: of bags on the bus or something like that. It 47 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: just makes a man being polite, which I think is 48 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: increasingly rare. 49 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 3: Well, yes, you've written an article for news dot com 50 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 3: dot you making the bowl declaration that chivalry is dead. 51 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: Why on earth do you think this? 52 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Look there was a viral TikTok of a girl that 53 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: posted all these men sitting down while all these women 54 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: were standing up on the train and was like, chivalry 55 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: is dead. But then I started thinking of my own 56 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: life and I was like, yeah, it's definitely I mean, 57 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: it's definitely dying. It's on life support. 58 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: It's on life support, or right, explain. 59 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: I just don't think men are that polite anymore. And 60 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: I know they're gonna say, oh, well, if you want equality, 61 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: what do you expect? But my response to that would 62 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: be like, we still don't have equality, so you can 63 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: still keep opening the door. 64 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: Is this just about doors for you or is this 65 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: popping up in other areas of your life? 66 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 2: Do you think chivalry is dead? 67 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: I think men, like grown men now like trample you 68 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: to get a good seat on the bus, which I 69 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: do not appreciate. They'll literally elbow you to get on 70 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the train at peak hour. I just noticed that, even 71 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: like when I'm at the shops or something, like men 72 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: just will. I remember once running this experiment where I 73 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: stopped moving out of the way of men, like if 74 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I was walking and a man was walking, I wouldn't 75 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: move and to see what would happen. And it was 76 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: just grown men smashing into me. 77 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: That actually sounds kind of hot. 78 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: It was incredibly hot, Bucky. You hit the streets to 79 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: find out what others think about this. Let's have a listen. 80 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 5: I don't think it's that. I think it's just changing 81 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 5: in what way. Maybe things like opening doors. 82 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 4: And writing letters aren't really happening as much, and they're changing. 83 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 5: People are doing different things. 84 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: People are making Spotify playlists for people that they love. 85 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: I can confirm since my break up in November and 86 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: the amount of dates actually more walk ups I've gone on, 87 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: it is definitely to head. 88 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 5: Like do you think gen Z men are like polite? 89 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 5: They're polite until they get what they want. I'm so 90 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: sorry they've floating to leave it what they want. 91 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: And then yeah, do you. 92 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: Think Chivery said would you set up for like a 93 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: woman on the trainer? 94 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 5: In all the past, while. 95 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: Some mixed opinions, they're okay, Mary, I want to spice 96 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: things up a bit, do you think that men stopped 97 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: being chivalrous or did women stop wanting to be treated 98 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: like damsels. 99 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: I think men are just confused. Just because we want 100 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: equal pay doesn't mean we don't want you to be 101 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: polite to us, right, And I think somewhere along the way, 102 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: because I do see it now occasionally, like a guy 103 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: might do something quite nice to me, offer me his seat, 104 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: but I can see he's like a little bit nervous, 105 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: like he'll be like, oh, do you want my seat? 106 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: But obviously if you don't like go women? 107 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, But isn't there an element of perhaps he's worried 108 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: about offering his seat because he doesn't want you to 109 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: think that he's only doing it because he thinks. 110 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: You're old because you're not old. 111 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 5: I'm young and hot, Yeah, young and hard. 112 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: But isn't there that that concern? Yeah? 113 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 5: I think there's that. 114 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: And I also just think men now are like, oh 115 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: am I being polite? Or am I being condescending? 116 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: Yes? 117 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: I think there is that, And I think it's where 118 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: it's got lost because I don't I don't know anyone 119 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: in my life, and I know there's going to be 120 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 1: someone on redit or online that will now correct this record, 121 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: But I don't know anyone in my life that's been like, 122 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: oh a man opened the door for me, Like what 123 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: an asshole? 124 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good point. When was the last time someone 125 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: did something chivalrous for you? And how did it feel 126 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: in that moment? 127 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: It felt beautiful? Am I saying that I loved it? 128 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Oh? 129 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: Look, occasionally a man will stop and hold the lift 130 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: door open for me or something like that. I always 131 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: really appreciate it, or I can. I still remember really clearly. 132 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: I was like lugging. I had a I was heavy 133 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: stuff and I was trying to lug it into my apartment 134 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: and this guy down the hall was like, oh, do 135 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: you need some help? And I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, 136 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: thank you, and he just like moves it for me. 137 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: He's like, no worries. I obviously could be murdered, but 138 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: I just really appreciated the kind gesture. 139 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: But you still think the chivalry is dead, even though 140 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: there are these acts in your life of men proving 141 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: doing chivalrous things. 142 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Say, I'm seeing it less and less and I think 143 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: the only men left that are doing it, in my opinion, 144 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: are like kind of authentically confident guys where it kind 145 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: of used to be like all men would just do 146 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: it as kind of my like, for instance, my brothers. 147 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 5: My dad was like a very very polite man. 148 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: To the point where like if you're a woman and 149 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: you walk in the room, he would like like just 150 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: stand up. Yeah, Like he really went like not when 151 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: we were at home all the time, it wasn't that bad. 152 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: But he was really really good on manners, right, And 153 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: I noticed it with my brothers now because they're a 154 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: product of that. And so, for instance, they always stand 155 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: back to let women in, they always hold the door, 156 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: and they're just not thinking about It's like a reflex. Yeah, 157 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: And I think we've lost that reflex. And the only 158 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: ones left doing it are people that are just kind 159 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: of naturally warm, chatty, no worries, let me help you out, 160 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: talk to the neighbors kind of people. It's not all 161 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: men anymore. 162 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: You know. I don't agree that chivalry is dead. 163 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: And I didn't want to say this earlier because I 164 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: wanted to give you the chance to have your say 165 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: because I'm chivalrous. Okay, so I'm going to put my 166 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: argument forward in just a moment. You're gonna have to 167 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: stick around you want to, all right, all right, Thank 168 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: you welcome back. I am joined by news dot com 169 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: dot I use Mary Madigan, who thinks that chivalry is dead, 170 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: A rip chivalry. I disagree with you, Mary, Okay, I 171 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: actually think the chivalry isn't dead. I just think you're 172 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: hanging out with the wrong people. Can I have some 173 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: inspirational music please. Chivalry in twenty twenty five is less 174 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: about grand gestures and more about everyday respect. For example, 175 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: actively listening without interrupting, respecting boundaries both emotional and physical, 176 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: remembering people's birthdays, initiating plans, checking in with someone offering 177 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: them a jacket if someone's cold, texting back when you 178 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: say we're respecting a partner's career, goals, ambition and independence. 179 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: These are all things that decent people do, okay, regardless 180 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 3: of gender as well. You kept saying men, men, men, 181 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: not a day. Chivalry isn't just what men do for women. 182 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: It's vice versa. It's what people do for people. It's 183 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: about humanity, Mary. I see people give up their seats 184 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: for the elderly on public transport. If someone drops a 185 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: bag of shopping, I see people go and help them. 186 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: I was in a pub over the week and it 187 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: was busy and the barman went to serve a woman 188 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: even though she wasn't the first one there, and she 189 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: pointed to the bloke next her and said, no, he 190 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: was here before me. That Mary, is chivalry in twenty 191 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: twenty five. Again, if the people around you aren't doing this, 192 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean the chivalry is dead. It means that 193 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: you are hanging out with a dad crowd. 194 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, she'd been working on that all night. 195 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: What do you think of that? 196 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I think we have to agree to disagree there. 197 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I say, Okay, Look, I do agree with you. I 198 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: think in general, you look at people and people are 199 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: good like I'm all for that. I think most people 200 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: want to do the right thing. I do just think 201 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: somehow in the world of gender politics, and you're right, 202 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: I do keep mentioning men. You're completely bang on with that. 203 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: But I think I'm mentioning them because well, I'm a woman, obviously, 204 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: and so I see the experience. But I suppose for me, 205 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: I just noticed the change in the way men treat women, 206 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: and I think part of that is probably coming from 207 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: a small town where I found men were more polite, 208 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: and then I moved to the city and men were 209 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: less polite, and it was just things like if you 210 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: grew up in a small town, if you were leaving 211 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: the pub, a guy would be like, I'll wait for 212 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you while you get your cab, or I'll wait for 213 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: you walking home or whatever it is. Whereas I noticed 214 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: now in the city, like men don't think to do that. 215 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: They're like, all right, see you, and you're like, oh, okay, bye, 216 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: I'll just wait in the cold. And so I do 217 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: think there's been some kind of disconnect. I don't think 218 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: all men are inherently bad, which is why I was 219 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: sort of saying, like, I do think it's like the 220 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: men that feel confident enough to do it now. I 221 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: just think somewhere along these like gender politics, we've kind 222 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: of lost this idea of men feeling comfortable enough to 223 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: go out of their way for a stranger. 224 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 5: I think generally men are very nice to the women 225 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 5: they know. 226 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: If you're standing outside a Sydney pub on our Friday 227 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: night and some rando guys say, hey, do you want 228 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: me to walk your home? 229 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: What are you going to reply? 230 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: I would obviously let him, I would obviously call the 231 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: police immediately. But I do think in general men are 232 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: nice women they know and they feel comfortable, they feel 233 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: like they can display that. 234 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 5: Kind of kindness. 235 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: But I do just think it's been Yeah, I do 236 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: think there's a disconnect and it's been lost. And I 237 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: do sometimes wonder, like, even with your speech, which I 238 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: agree with so much of what you said, but I'm like, 239 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: but I'm like, is that your experience as well as 240 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: a man? Because other men respect men more. That's the 241 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: other part of it. 242 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: I wow, you're just opening up a can of word, 243 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: totally gone for it. 244 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, let's say there are men. 245 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Listening to this right now, what would your message to 246 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: the men of Australia be, Go on, take the floor. 247 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Because men of Australia are such fans of mine as 248 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: we as highly documented. Yeah, look, I would just say, like, 249 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to be polite. And I think as well, 250 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: people will tell you, like if if someone did something 251 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: that offended me, I would say, oh, don't do that. 252 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean then you have to se all 253 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: women don't want. 254 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: That, right. 255 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: I would always act on the assumption that people want 256 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: people to be polite and kind and go for it. 257 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: And if one person says no, that doesn't mean you 258 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: should stop doing it. 259 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 5: Forever. 260 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: Yes, what's your Twitter handle? Just in case people want 261 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: to be alone? Bucky chivalrous messages only to Mary. She's 262 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: been very brave to come out and put that opinion here. 263 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for taking the time to jump 264 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: into the podcast studio. 265 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for having me. 266 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: I will open the door for you in just a 267 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: moment to let you out. You may slam it on me, 268 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: and thank you for listening to today's episode. Let us 269 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: know what you think. You can find me at Ac 270 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: Buckler on Twitter and Mary. 271 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 5: Please don't find me anyway. 272 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: Don't look for Mary. 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