1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Andy Gowers, Welcome back to the You Project. This time 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: we're going to actually record the conversation. I thought we'd 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: do that. How are you. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: I'm very well, Thanks, Craig. I'm delighted to be back 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: with you. It's always a pleasure talking with you. 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: Thanks. Man. We better say hello to Tiff because she 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: gets a little bit upset. Hi, Tiff, Hi, just driving 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: the bus. Yeah, Tis been bossing both of us around 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: before we started recording. 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: But that's thank god, thank god you here, Tiff. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: But how good do you sound now? 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Never never sounded better the low bar. It's a 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: low bart. 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell my audience, hey, audience, last time. In almost 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: two thousand episodes of The You Project. Fuck, I'm old 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: h Andy Gower's president of the Hawthorne Football Club. He 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: and I sat down in this very kind of scenario 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: that we're doing right now and had just blew each 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: other away with mind blowing conversation and insights, inspiration. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: Fucking it was everything. 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: It had everything, and one particular dumbass who pressed pause 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: on the recording because they were chatting before it went 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: live forgot to unpause it. So let's hope today, Tif 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: that we can get it all in the can and 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: actually actually push it out of the podcast nest into 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: the stratosphere, that is the public. Can we do that? 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 4: I'm here now, I'm here, now it happen. 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: You're here now to salvages? Ship mate? How have you been? 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: How are you traveling? How's life? How's work? How's the family? 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: How's you know, navigating your fifties? I mean, you know, 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: fucking spring chicken. 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: I'm as old as you look. All of those subjects 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: that you raise are all in good order. Life is busy, 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: but very energizing. I'm loving what I'm doing, I guess 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: the most. Yeah, the most high profile thing that I'm 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: doing is the Hawthorne Presidency role, but the other things 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: that I do around that are all very important to 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: me as well, including my business interests, my family, my friends, some. 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: Causes that I'm that I'm interested in and involved in. 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: So that it's a life is a juggle, but it's 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: a very energizing and rewarding juggle. 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: So I wouldn't change a thing. 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: How much how much of your kind of day or 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: days is strategically planned, organized, structured, timetabled, and how much 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: is freestyle? I mean obviously weekends are well, no, even 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: weekends are work for you. So that question stands, is 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: there is there any space or during the footy season 48 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: it's a bit different. 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 3: I guess yeah. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: The footy season's fairly full on because I'm often quite 51 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: often traveling. 52 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: Into state, so there are flights to catch and other 53 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: cities to be in. But that's also an opportunity. 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: To connect with people involved in the footy club, but 55 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: also outside and I can I mean, look at us now, 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: we're having this interview over zoom. Technology allows you to 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: be anywhere anytime, really, but look, to go back to 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: your original question, most of my week is structured. There 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: are blocked at times for personal pursuits and and one 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: of the things I'm it's interesting, Well, I think it's interesting. 61 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: I get asked a lot how do I fit in? 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: Because I exercise a lot. I'm an avid road cyclist. 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: I can't run anymore because I've got a bad knee, 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: so I switched to cycling about fifteen twenty years ago, 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: and I cycle a lot like I would do I. 66 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Would average three hundred k's a week. 67 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: And I often get asked, how do you fit in 68 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: so much cycling? And my answer is, well, I can 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: fit in everything else because of a cycle that much. 70 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: It allows me to feel both mentally and physically energetic enough. 71 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: If I didn't ride that much, I don't think I'd 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: be able to fit in all the other things that 73 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing. So it is crucial to me, and typically 74 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: that starts my day. I'll start the day with a 75 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: ride with a group of mates and it sets up 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: my whole day. 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know the thing about when you 78 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: work out every day, whether or not it's running, riding, swimming, 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: lifting weights or a combo thereof, or something else, like, 80 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: you're putting your body through its paces. It makes well 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: probably a tiff does the same. TIFs a box around 82 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: an lead athlete you train, you were an e lead athlete, 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: I was just an old has been. But it gives 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: you more energy and focus and horsepower for the rest 85 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: of the day, so I actually get more done in 86 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: less time, Like if I gave myself an extra hour 87 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: or hour and a half and didn't do like I 88 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: walk rock bottom t case a day and I lift 89 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: weights every day for an hour, Right, So I went on, 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep those two and a half hours. 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: By the way, when i'm walking, I'm working quite often, 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: but yes, I get less done. But because in my 93 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: brain and my body and my cardiovascular system and my 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: endocrime system and all of that kind of stuff is 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: in pretty good shape for my age, I'm much more 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: effective and productive in the hours that I do work. 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I can completely relate to that, And that's another 98 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: reason why you know I do that, And to me, it's, well, 99 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: it's what I've always done. I've always exercised basically. 100 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 3: Not every day, but pretty close to every day, and. 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: It's just I'm wied that way, and I don't feel 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: like I'm acting normally unless I'm exercising often, so that 103 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: that's exactly what you just said. 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: Great, that allows me to. 105 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: Perform and to juggle the things that I need to 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: juggle and make sure I'm present and operating as close 107 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: to full cylinders as I can be, because because I 108 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: exercised regularly. 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: This is a weird question, right, But I always think 110 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: about this for me, Like last night, I did my 111 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: mentoring group, which is a Monday night group of about 112 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: fifty odd people online, and among other things, we're talking 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 1: about how well our brain works at a given age. 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Our mind, our brain cognitive function, decision making, memory, all 115 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: that kind of shit. Yes, I'm sixty one and it's hard. 116 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: You can't be objective about yourself because you're you, right, 117 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: your experience of you is totally subjective, but as objective 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: as you can be. How do you reckon your mind 119 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: and your brain are working at fifty six? You just 120 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: turn fifty six? Can you happy? Happy birthday? How well 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: do you reckon your brain and your mind is working? 122 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: Like? 123 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: Do you think it's as good as it was when 124 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: it was thirty or forty or in some ways a 125 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: bit better? 126 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: I think in some areas it's better. 127 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: But I think, look, I'm probably not as up as 128 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: I was twenty years ago or thereabouts. 129 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: But I think i'm. 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: Just because I'm older, I've got more experience in certain areas. 131 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: I'm better at certain things, So I think I'm better 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: with relationships. I think I'm better with decision making because 133 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: I tend not to rush them. 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: I think that's the. 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: Biggest lessons I've learned over time is sleep on sleep 136 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: on big decisions. You don't have to rush into saying 137 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: yes or no or having a response. You can actually, 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: and it's actually really great advice for any young impulsive 139 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: people out there. 140 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: You know, take your time of a big decisions. You 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: don't have to rush into. 142 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: Responding even an interim response other than well, thanks very much, 143 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: I'll have a think about it and I'll come back 144 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: to you. That's perfectly acceptable. I think over time, you 145 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: pick up these life lessons and you're better equipped to 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: deal with what's going on. Whether you're I don't think 147 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: you're as sharp as you were when you were younger, 148 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: but I think that with age comes experience. 149 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: With experience comes a bit more wisdom. 150 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: And you know, I, if I had to name one 151 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: of my strengths, I think it's calmness under pressure. And 152 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: maybe part of that is not rushing into quick answers 153 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: on decisions and so on. 154 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that we call that or we don't. 155 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: In Eastern philosophy that being able to be the calm 156 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: in the chaos is called equanimity. Do you think do 157 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: you think that capacity to be calm when maybe some 158 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: people wouldn't be calm, or when some people are losing 159 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: their shit for you to be the voice of reason? 160 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Is that inherent? Is that in your DNA? Is that genetic? 161 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: Or is that a skill that has developed through being 162 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of pressure over time. 163 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's a combination. 164 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: I don't think I've always been as calm as I 165 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: am now. I think as a younger man, I was 166 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: more impulsive and I felt like I had to respond 167 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: more quickly. 168 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: So I think that has developed over time, that part. 169 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: I think that I've always been relatively calm, But I 170 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: think that capability of being calm in a crisis is 171 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: something that I have worked on, and I've been in 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: a few crises over my time. 173 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: So you tend to do you tend to get better 174 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: at handling them, I think. 175 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: And when I say crisis, not too many life and 176 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: death moments, but life or death moments, but the odd 177 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: moment that it's been pretty important, pretty stressful, and you know, 178 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: I think you just learn over time that there's a 179 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: way to work through this, and we do it rationally, 180 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: and we do it. We don't have to rush into anything. 181 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: Let's do it properly. 182 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting when you think about, like, as an elite athlete, 183 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: you might have all the skill, all the fitness, all 184 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: the talent, all the whatever, spatial awareness left foot right foot. 185 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: If we're talking about footing, you know, blah blah blah. 186 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: But if you can't deal with pressure, then you can't 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: be a great footballer. You might be an okay one, 188 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: but you know, like even if you've got all the 189 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: ingredients in the success formula, yes, you can't perform under pressure. 190 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: You can't be the calm in the chaos. It's going 191 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: to be hard to fulfill your potential. 192 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: Right it is. And look, pressure is such an interesting 193 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: topic of itself. So there was a great quote. 194 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: By Zach Tuhey, the former Carlton and Geelong play He 195 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: had a shot for goal. The siren was the ultimate situation. 196 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: Siren had gone, his team were down. He needed to 197 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: kick the goal after the sign quite a big kick. 198 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: He goes back and he puts it through. He's mobbed 199 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: by his teammates. Anyway, he gets interviewed after the game 200 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: and he gets asked the question, how did you handle 201 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: the pressure of that moment? 202 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: How did you how did you think about it? 203 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: And he said, there's no such thing as pressure, And 204 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: then he said, actually I'm wrong. There's pressure in your tires, 205 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, your car tires, your bick ties and so on. 206 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: Because you can make you that pressure that is actually 207 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: a measurable pounds per square inch. 208 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: I think it is. 209 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 2: But the reality of pressure is there's only there's really 210 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: only one person that can put pressure on you, and 211 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: that is you. You're the only one who can put 212 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: pressure on yourself. And there's a great approach that you 213 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: know we talked before about you know, hopefully getting wiser 214 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: as you get older. Talking recently with a group of 215 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: golfers and they asked me the question, you know, how 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: do you know you're on the first tee, there's a 217 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: big crowd milling around, you've got to you've got to 218 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: hit the ball off the off the te box and 219 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: there's all that pressure. How do you handle that pressure? 220 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: And I said, well, the way to think about it 221 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: is whether it's the drive off the first t or 222 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: a crucial part in a game, or Zach Dewey having 223 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: a shot for goal in a footy match, is you. 224 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: Focus on process, not outcome. 225 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: The pressure comes when you think, gee, if I miss 226 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: this kick, we're going to lose this game. Or if 227 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: I hit a bad drive here, everyone's going to laugh 228 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: at me on this tea box. Well, just flip flip 229 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: the script and look at process. So what do I 230 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: need to do to hit a good drive here? What 231 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: do I need to do to hold this put? What 232 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: do I need to do to kick this goal? The 233 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: win is blowing slightly right to left, so I need 234 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: to aim this at the right hand goalpost. You know, 235 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: I've got my routine that I go through every time 236 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: I kick the goal. I set jot for goal. 237 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: I've got my routine. 238 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: So you just focus on process. If you think about outcome, 239 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: you then start putting pressure on yourself. And I think 240 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: that's the best way to handle it. 241 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you're right. Like pressure and 242 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: even anxiety, individual responses to a stimulus. Right, because Zach's 243 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: in front of goal or wherever, he was, in the pocket, 244 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: on an angle wherever, and he's not feeling any pressure. 245 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: Someone else is feeling three out of ten pressure in 246 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: the same situation, someone else is feeling eleven out of 247 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: ten pressure and their sympathetic nervous systems going nuts adrenaline cortisol, 248 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: and their skill has gone from a nine to a 249 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: two because there's an inverse correlation between stress and skill, 250 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: stress level and skill level. Right, all of that is 251 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: a subjective response. Yeah, it's not a standard thing. 252 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: Not at all. Not at all. 253 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: And that's why I think whatever situation you're talking about 254 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: where there is a degree of deceived pressure, yeah, so 255 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: called pressure, if you can focus on process, whatever the 256 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: process is that you need to complete the task successfully 257 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: versus gee, what's the outcome of this task? So when 258 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: people in theotiating, I mean, look at the situation at 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: the moment with the you know, the. 260 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: Israeli hostages negotiating release. If you focused on the outcome 261 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 3: of that, that would be, I reckon, probably the most 262 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: pressurized negotiation or situation you could possibly be. And you've got. 263 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: People's lives literally at stake versus well, what is the process. 264 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: To get to what we want to achieve here? 265 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: Now that's an extreme example, but everything in between from 266 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: a put on a golf course to stating for people's lives. 267 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: If you can focus on the process, the best process possible, 268 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: rather than the outcome that might eventuate, I think that 269 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: goes a long way to managing so called pressure. 270 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: I want to change tack a little bit. So when 271 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: you were playing footy, you know football was it was 272 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: the same, but it was different. You know, it's more 273 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of a business now again, yes, it's it's more professional 274 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: now it's more organized, structured. We've got people doing you 275 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: know everything, you know, dietitians and psychologists and high. 276 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: Level coaches, all of that. 277 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: How how have you seen, I don't just a commentary 278 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: like the evolution of footy sense you were kicking it 279 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: to now you're now you're the president of an AFL 280 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: club and you you played? Did you play for three 281 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: teams or two? 282 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: Well? I played for I played for three from Bears. 283 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 284 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: The Bears then merged with Detroy, so I changed clubs 285 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: without changing clubs. 286 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Really yeah, So Hawthorn and one hundred forty games, which 287 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: is exactly one hundred and forty more than me. 288 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: Well done, one hundred and forty together? 289 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, between us you, me and if of us 290 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: and forty games. 291 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 292 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: And also between the three of us about fifteen boxing matches. 293 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: That's right, isn't it? Tiff? That there you go? So 294 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: thanks very much. I feel much better about myself. 295 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: So you should the company you keep. 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's what's the I mean, I don't know 297 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: if I want the bad, but what's the good? 298 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: What? Like? 299 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: What have you noticed in terms of the like the 300 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: training standards, the facilities, the resources, the pressure. It's been 301 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: a real evolution over the last twenty thirty years, right. 302 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: It's been huge. 303 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: So the biggest differences are one is they train full 304 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: time now. 305 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: They do have one mandated day. 306 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: Off a week at most clubs, nearly every club they 307 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: have one mandated day. 308 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: Off a week. 309 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're in at the club every single day, 310 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: and so that's that's a huge commitment. But by the 311 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: same token, part of the reason they're in the club 312 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: a lot more is they're working on what they call prehab, 313 00:16:54,520 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: so habilitating your body before you might get injured. Also, 314 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: recovery from what is a brutal game. You know, you're 315 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: covering a lot of ground, you're twisting and turning, you're jumping, 316 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: you're getting tackled, you're bumping. It's a three hundred and 317 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: sixty degree game, which is quite quite rare, and yeah, 318 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: it's a very very taxing game. There are much better 319 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: recovery resources available now. 320 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: To the players. 321 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: So that's one big change, I suppose. The other change 322 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: is the publicity side of it. So when I started playing, 323 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: I don't know the exact number of journalists that covered 324 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: the game, but it was quite small, whereas now I'm 325 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: told that for every player, there's the equivalent of four 326 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: accredited media personnel per player, so they're not allocated for 327 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: each but that's just the quantum of a credit to 328 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: media people that cover the game now, so footy shows 329 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: and and of course social media didn't exist at all 330 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: when I first started playing mm hmm, so that's another 331 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: method of publicizing the game. So the attention is very, 332 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: very exacerbated. It's like a microscope over your life the 333 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 2: whole time. And you know, some of the some of 334 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: the banal. 335 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: Stories that you see about you know. 336 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: I mean, I do laugh when the news starts with 337 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: this particular player at this particular club has hurt their hamstring. 338 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: And I mean, in the scheme of things, this means 339 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: that that player is going to miss some weeks, they're 340 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: not going to play for a while. 341 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: But you know, you look, you look at. 342 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 2: What's going on in the world, and one guy at 343 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: one AFL club, which is a game really only played 344 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: in Australia, he's going to miss two or three games 345 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: because he's heard his hamstring. 346 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 3: It's not news really, and yet it is. It's big news. 347 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god, this guy's hamstring. What are they going 348 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: to do? 349 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: So that that is a massive change the way that 350 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: that's covered. Clearly, the compensation for the players, you know, 351 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: the salaries and so on, bumped up markedly. 352 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 5: And there are some there's good and bad in everything 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 5: sounds like a song, is that there's good and bad 354 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 5: in everything, and you can you can focus on the 355 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 5: negatives of the social media and what have you. 356 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: But by the same token, you've. 357 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: Got accessibility now to technically one hundreds of that. Bailey 358 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: Smith has something like, I'm going to get the number wrong, 359 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: but four hundred thousand followers on Instagram. 360 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: Tiff, can you find out for us Tiff Instagram Bailey Smith. Yeah, 361 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: and think about that. He can just he can do 362 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: a little video and talk to four hundred thousand people whenever. 363 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: He wants, every time he does anything on Instagram. However, 364 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: many followers he's got, they technically see it. 365 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: So we're seeing now the opportunity for players to organize 366 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: individual contracts and promotional deals with businesses who are looking 367 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 2: to reach different audiences, and they've got the capability of 368 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: doing that. So that's that's been a real shift. 369 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Could you imagine, Andy, could you imagine back in the day, 370 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: what's your answer? 371 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: Tive three hundred and sixty three thousand and a cracking 372 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: six pack. 373 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Look at this. 374 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one of the reasons why there are so 375 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: many that follow. 376 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 1: And he's got a new follower by the sounds of it. 377 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: Could you imagine back in could you imagine back in 378 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the nineties, mate, somebody asking you about your brand and 379 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: your branding. 380 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: By personal branding. No, I can't. 381 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: I can't imagine anyone asking you that. But that's where 382 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: we're at now. And so you know, the world has 383 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: changed a lot. There are some great opportunities or player. 384 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, and you have a look at Tiff we've lost her. 385 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: I think he trains at PC. I see sometimes with 386 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 4: one of my mates. 387 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 3: He's gone down the rabbit hole. Yeah, but this is 388 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: the thing. 389 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: So there are there are there are great opportunities available 390 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: for the modern day player, and but they also have 391 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: to be careful because they're being more watched than ever 392 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: and the world is watching. The eyes of the world 393 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: are upon them. You know. It's great opportunity, but also 394 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: more responsibility. And you know, just just the other the 395 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: other thing I touched on it before, but the club, 396 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 2: you know, the football departments now are. 397 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: Very very big organizations. Medical teams coaching teams. So we 398 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: have nine senior coaches in the men's program at Hawathorn, 399 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: So there's. 400 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: A senior coach and then eight other coaches and so 401 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 2: fucking amazing. It's just so different when I played. When 402 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: I first started playing, we had a senior coach and 403 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: we had a reserves coach and that was it. Now 404 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: we had a chairman of selectors, but he he helped 405 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: I suppose pick the side and would come to training 406 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: and so on, and would sit in the box on 407 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 2: match day. But really you had you had two coaches. 408 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: We had the senior coach and you had the reserves coach. 409 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: So that has really changed the dynamic within the football 410 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: club and the atmosphere and so on. 411 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: It it seems to me that there's been a lot 412 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: more awareness around focus on and attention to, quite rightly 413 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: a psychological and emotional health of the players. And we've 414 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: seen some things happen, very sad things happened recently, which 415 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: shines a light on it shines a light that needs 416 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: to be shine right. But I always I always wondered, mate, 417 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: like the week that a thousand years ago when I 418 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: worked at the Saints, the week that I arrived, Matthew Lapper, 419 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: I think it was Ozzie Jones and Tony Brown arrived, right, 420 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: And they're all eighteen years old and weighed about four 421 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: Jones and Brown yeah yeah, yeah, or weighed about forty 422 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: five kilos each, right, And it's my job to get 423 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: them big and strong and all that. But I remember thinking, like, 424 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: these are boys, these are teenage boys. And I know 425 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: it was different then, but it was. They was still 426 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: playing in front of thirty forty fifty thousand people. And 427 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: they've gone from Matthew Lappan who was like literally six 428 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: one and sixty one kilos, like living in Chiltern with 429 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: eight hundred people or something. Now he's playing at the 430 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: MCG and just the psychological and emotional and sociological adjustment, yes, 431 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: where they're in. No, like these guys are good at footy, 432 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: that's it initially, Like they're drafted. They're drafted for no 433 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: reason other than they're good at football, which is obvious 434 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: and that's not a problem. But I used to always think, man, 435 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: this is such a cataclysmic, bloody jump in their reality 436 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: where everything is about football, as understandably at that point 437 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: in time, but now trying to trying to I guess 438 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: help the people as well as the footballer is a focus. 439 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: It's very important. 440 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: And then you mentioned those three boys, but also think 441 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: about the you know, the indigenous boys, that boys and girls. 442 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: That come into an AFL environment. So if they're coming 443 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: from a remote community, just in fact they're moving into 444 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: a city is a huge adjustment. Yes, let alone getting 445 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: to know forty odd teammates plus coaches, plus all the 446 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: people in the club. It must be a sensory overload initially. 447 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: So the way that they respond to it and integrate 448 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: themselves into a completely different lifestyle, which is what you're saying. 449 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: It's that their whole life changes. 450 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 2: And then on top of that, they need to be 451 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: able to focus and train and perform in an elite 452 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: sport that's highly competitive. So the combination of those things 453 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: in isolation, sorry, any one of those things in isolation 454 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: would be difficult. You throw the fall in together and 455 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: the combination of those things. It's extraordinary what these young 456 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: men and women have to do to get ready for 457 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: the game. But that's what I guess the game demands, 458 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: and if you're going to become a good player at 459 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: the top level, you need to understand and apply yourself 460 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: and approach it that way. 461 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: So what's the what's the job or what's the role 462 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: of an AFL president, So like, what's what's your like, 463 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: what's required of you? What's your job description? 464 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: How long is this podcast? 465 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: What the fuck do you? 466 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: Well? 467 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: It's it's my number one role is to run the board, 468 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: lead the board, and so the board of directors at 469 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: every club we're all volunteers. Every every president, every director 470 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: at every AFL club is a volunteer. 471 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: So that's I guess that's number one. 472 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: I guess there are other things that spin off that, 473 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: so there's a lot of time spent with various people 474 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: within the club. So AFL clubs are made up a 475 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: whole mix of areas. So you've got the staff. 476 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: That run the club. 477 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: You've got the playing groups so the aflw and the 478 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,239 Speaker 2: AFL teams. You've got the members. The members we're going 479 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: to push ninety thousand members this year, hopefully more than that, 480 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: so that's a huge cohort. 481 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: You've got coterie coterie groups. 482 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: So they support the club financially and also they're very 483 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: passionate about the team and performance and so on. You've 484 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: got corporate sponsors that are looking for exposure and more 485 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: business as a result of the association with your club. 486 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 2: You've got the media, you've got the other the other 487 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: club presidents and CEOs and other operators that. 488 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: You know you're part of the same industry. 489 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: That you've got the AFL itself who you deal with 490 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: on a regular basis. So there there are a number 491 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: of groups stakeholders if you like, that need to be 492 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: communicated with, interacted with to some degree managed, So there's 493 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: a there's a constant communication challenge of keeping all of 494 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: those stakeholders engaged, interested, feeling loved, involved, and so that 495 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: there's there's managing all of those relationships and then it's 496 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: I mean the biggest role of the board is to 497 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: make decisions that are in the best just of a club. 498 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 3: And you've got short, medium and long term decision making. 499 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 2: So right now, a great example, we are building a 500 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: new home for the Hawthorne Football Club in a suburb 501 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: of Dingley in Melbourne, and it's a it's a north 502 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: of one hundred million dollar exercise, so not. 503 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: An insignificant decision. 504 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 2: We bought the land, we've developed it and this is 505 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: stage one. 506 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: That we're building. At the moment. 507 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: We'll move in there later this year. I haven't decided 508 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: exactly when that will be it. But that's a very 509 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: long term decision to commit to a new space, developing it, 510 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: developing it properly, working out what everybody needs and wants 511 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: in the in the land, raising the money. 512 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: We're still raising money to pay for that build, and 513 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: so on, things like that. So that's a that's a 514 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: long term decision. 515 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: And there are multiple shorter term decisions that are not 516 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: as consequential, but nevertheless, all that up. So it's a 517 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: combination of all those things, interacting with management making sure 518 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: that they're getting the support that they need from a 519 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: strategic point of view, so the board should be helping 520 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: with strategy and implementation of the strategic plan. 521 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: So there's always back and forth between management and the board. 522 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: M Yeah, they're they're the sort of the main roles 523 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: and in some ways be the figurehead for the club. 524 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: Now. 525 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: I say figurehead because really our members they want to 526 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: hear from our coach, they want to hear from our 527 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: players mostly now, and then from our CEO who's running 528 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: the club and now, and then from me, who's who's 529 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: I guess the figurehead of the organization. 530 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: So it's a combination of things. 531 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: If you looked at an average week for me, it's 532 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: going to games, it's speaking at home games, it's doing 533 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: the odd media interview, it's updating members, it's interacting with 534 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: management and just making sure things are as much as 535 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: they can be on track. 536 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Now, this is not a loaded question. Describe no, no, no, no. 537 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: For my listeners who are AFL people, Yes, we've got 538 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: overseas listeners of course the IFL Australian Football League. Most 539 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: of my listeners are you know, somewhat familiar, but we're 540 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: not a particularly hardcore sporting podcast per se. So the 541 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: coach of Hawthorne is Sam Mitchell. Tell me about sam Mitchell. 542 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: I think I interviewed him once for seven minutes on 543 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: SCN one hundred years ago. But yes, tell me about 544 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: sam Mitchell, like, what's he like? Tell me about him 545 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: as a coach and a bloke yep. 546 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: So I think the best context I can give you 547 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: about Sam Mitchell is as a player, he battled to. 548 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: Get into the system. 549 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: Initially, he was overlooked at multiple drafts and became a 550 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: mature aid starter in the game and had to work 551 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: his way through the lower level the VFL before he 552 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: got to a far level, and then when he got 553 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: to AFAR level. Wasn't a particularly quick player. In fact, 554 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: that was the knock on him while he was overlooked 555 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: the initial drafts, but an incredible, incredible ball handling skills, 556 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: worked so hard on his craft. He could kick left 557 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: and right foot almost equally as well. Was a great 558 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: connector with other players in the start, so very very 559 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: good at bringing others into the game, and captained a 560 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: premiership side in two thousand and eight, so a really 561 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: good leader, and handed over the captaincy in later years. 562 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: So there's a degree of selflessness of that. You can 563 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: see some players that hang on for quite a while. 564 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: He didn't do that. 565 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: He handed over the reins to Luke Hodge whilst he 566 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: was still playing and then together they played in three 567 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: more premierships for that period. So I think that's a 568 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: good context to describe what kind of person Sam mitchelluz. 569 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: So he's very determined, he's. 570 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: Very you know, he'll do the work he will and 571 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, you see some you see some players not 572 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: become very good coaches because they were so talented they 573 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: probably find it hard to communicate well. Why can't you 574 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: just mark that and kick the goal, because that's what 575 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: they would have done if they were out there. Because 576 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: Sam has fought hard, so hard to get into the 577 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: AFL in the first place, and then made a fantastic 578 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: career and won a Brown Low and multiple Premierships as 579 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: I've said. 580 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: And a whole lot of accolades. 581 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: I think that grounds his coaching, and so he's a 582 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: very I mean, he's a demanding coach on the players, 583 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: but they know that he's gone for what he's gone through, 584 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: so and so he's very respected, very respected coach. He's 585 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: a great communicator, and I think that's one of the 586 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: most important attributes as a coach. You need to be 587 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: able to communicate your message in a clear and concise way, 588 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: which he does. And then I think, you know, as 589 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: a bloke, all those things that I've just talked about 590 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: a mirrored kind of personality that he is. 591 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: You know, he's got a great sense of humor. 592 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: He's a great student, He's studied a lot, he looks 593 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: at other sports, he's done an MBA, he's. 594 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: You know, he's an intelligent guy. 595 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: He really is so good communicator, intelligent, as I said, 596 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't gifted any AFL. He worked hard 597 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: to get into the system in the first place, and 598 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: you'd have to say he made the most of it 599 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: and then some. 600 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: So what you're telling the world is he's no Andy Gowers. 601 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: He's a complete opposite to me, that's right, And I 602 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 2: really admired that about Sam. 603 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 3: You know, his transition from player to coach. Yeah, yeah, 604 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: he's had a lorded. 605 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: And rightly so aluded playing career, but it wasn't easy, 606 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: you know, he had to battle and became a fantastic 607 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: player and really, look, it's actually something that I reckon 608 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 2: is a great. 609 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: Lesson for life. 610 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that we now do 611 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: exceptionally well in AFL football is we help people focus 612 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: on their strengths. And so Sam is not particularly tall, 613 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: so he was never going to be a. 614 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: High marking player. 615 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: So ground ball player, got tons of the foot He 616 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: worked hard, got to lots of contests one is fair 617 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: share of them, and was a very good user of 618 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: the footing and that all came through. Yeah, of course 619 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: he's got some natural talent, all of us do. But 620 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 2: I think the key with Sam was he worked so 621 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: hard on his game. He always had a footy in 622 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: his hand. He was always mucking around with a footy 623 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: and it's like an extension of his body, you know, 624 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,919 Speaker 2: He's all handling skills were exceptional, and he was able 625 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: to bring others into the game as a result. 626 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: So I really admire that fact and I think it 627 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 3: informs his coaching every day. I see that. 628 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, of course we need coaches 629 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: who are not know a lot about training and conditioning 630 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: and of course football and t have a football brain 631 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: and read the game and be strategic and make great 632 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: decisions and perform under pressure. But also we need coaches 633 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: who have emotional intelligence, situational awareness, social intelligence, and ability 634 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: to understand human behavior and read people, and like, it's 635 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: so much more than just coaching a game of football. Well, 636 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, it seems like you could 637 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: have a guy who's great with football, or a woman 638 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: who's great with football for that matter, if we're talking 639 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: about coaches, but shit with people, and they're not going 640 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: to make a great coach despite their natural understanding of 641 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: the game. 642 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 643 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's managing human beings is probably your biggest task, 644 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: and so part of that is nuanced but you need 645 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: to understand, well, this particular player, I need to give 646 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 2: him a needle. 647 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: I need to get him to play his best. 648 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: I have to do it selectively, and I might have 649 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 2: to keep my power drive for most of the year, 650 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 2: but I'm I'm going to I'm going to rev him 651 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: up at the right moment if he's not performing the 652 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 2: way we need him to. He will respond well to 653 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: that in limited doses. But the reality is, and what 654 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: I have found is most people they don't respond very 655 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: well to that. They need to cuddle, They need to 656 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: be they need to be built up, their confidence needs 657 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 2: to be supported. And it's one of the biggest roles 658 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 2: of a coach is working at who needs what when, 659 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: And there's the collective when you're addressing the whole site, 660 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: and then the individual. 661 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: Well, you might pull. 662 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: Aside and not You might you may not give the 663 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: needle to that player in public. You might do it privately. 664 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: Or you might say to him, and I've seen this 665 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: happen with other coaches. You might say to him, I'm 666 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: about to give you a rocket here. I'm just giving 667 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: you a heads up in front of the group. 668 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: And then you know there are Yeah. 669 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 2: My theory is or my My experience is that most 670 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: people don't respond very well to that, So you need 671 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: to be very selective of the type of personality that 672 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 2: is open to that kind of feedback or that kind 673 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 2: of method those who aren't. I think Sam he treads 674 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 2: that that fine line very well. 675 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a unique part of leadership is 676 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: being able to like this actually ties into my PhD 677 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: research without trying to bore everyone senselessly, but there's this 678 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: idea called theory of mind Andy, which is essentially our 679 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: ability to understand how others think, our ability to understand 680 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: how others respond to different stimuli, you know, And like 681 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: I could say something to you and you get pumped 682 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: and you go, yep, right, I'm on it. I say 683 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: the same thing to the bloke to your left and 684 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: he cracks the shits for three days, and the guy 685 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: to your right doesn't know what I'm fucking talking about. 686 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: So it's trying to understand because everyone has their own 687 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: unique communication style. And I think as a coach, you're 688 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: trying to because you might have ten players and you 689 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: know they all are going to respond differently to the 690 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: same thing. 691 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: Well, I learned a great lesson when I was a 692 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 2: junior coach, coaching my youngest son. 693 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 3: And they're only little if I was only nine or 694 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 3: ten of them. 695 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: And I remember I went to a coaching course and 696 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: they talked about the word butt. You've got to be 697 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 2: very careful with the word butt. And I'll give an example. 698 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: So you say to a young player, Oh, Craig, I 699 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 2: loved the fact that you ran onto your left foot, 700 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: but your kick was terrible. 701 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 3: And what that kid hears is the kick was terrible. 702 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 3: I don't hear the first bit. 703 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 2: So the advice from the person who was leading this 704 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: course was just change butt to and Craig, I really 705 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: liked what you did when you ran onto your left foot, 706 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: and next time when you do it, if you just 707 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: so it's instructional, they tune in more because you're not 708 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: saying they're waiting for the butt. 709 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: But your kick was terrible. 710 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: You don't say that, you say, and if you actually 711 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 2: guide the ball a bit further down onto that left foot, 712 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: next time, you'll kick it better and you'll be able 713 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 2: to find a teammate. And so the difference in the language, 714 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 2: and that's very subtle example, but it helps so much. 715 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, we've got to wind up. But at the 716 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: risk of sounding like a sports caster, I'm going to 717 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: ask you. So we're ten rounds in, we're ten weeks in. Yes, 718 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: welcome back to Melbourne's home of sport. 719 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 2: In. 720 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: We're seven and three. We just got pipped on the weekend. 721 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: How is everything? How's the club? How's the boys? How 722 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: are you? How's the energy? How's the vibe? 723 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, the ViBe's good. Yes, we did have a 724 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 2: we got pipped the last game. But we'll know a 725 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 2: lot more about where we sit as a team after 726 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 2: the next four game. So we basically play the top 727 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 2: four sides, so yeah, I won't run through them, but 728 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: we play the top four sides and we're right now 729 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 2: in fourth position, so it's all the other sides around us, 730 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 2: and then we have a buy. So by the end 731 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 2: of that period we'll know, well, we should know roughly 732 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 2: where we sit in the pecking order, and then it's 733 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 2: a run into the finals, hopefully for us from there. 734 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 2: So I would describe the vibe as upbeat, where the 735 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 2: expectations are high. We are really looking forward to these 736 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 2: next four games. Then we have a rest and we reset. 737 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: So but look, the club, the club is up and 738 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: about we're celebrating one hundred years this year since entering 739 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 2: the vfl AFL, and that's a very big milestone. We 740 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 2: had a fantastic celebration a few rounds ago at the footy. 741 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 3: We invited every player. 742 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 2: That has ever played for the club, which was amazing, 743 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 2: staff and so on, and that was that was an 744 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: amazing day. And yeah, so it's a big year for us. 745 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 2: We're fairly well positioned, albeit we've got a big test 746 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: the next four weeks. We'll no more at that point 747 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 2: and we're hopeful that we'll be well placed by the 748 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 2: time we hit our by. 749 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: Well, mate, I'm giving you a nine out of ten 750 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: on today's podcast and an eight and a half out 751 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: of ten in terms of your performance as president of 752 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: the club, just because I want to give you a 753 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: little bit of room to move. 754 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 755 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't want you to get a fat head or 756 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: get ahead of yourself. I'll give you an elephant stamp 757 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: and there's no butt. I'm going to say you did 758 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: a pretty good job today and and I'm sure you 759 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: can do a little better next time. Is there any 760 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: you want anything you want to pump or promote. I 761 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: don't know this is what people tend to do, but 762 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: not normally when I've got presidents of AFL clubs on, 763 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: is there anything you want to push people towards. 764 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: Look, the only thing I would say is if within 765 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 2: your very large listening audience, and I'm sure they're all 766 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 2: rusted on, if there are any Hawthorne supporters who are 767 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 2: not members, it's a great time to get on board 768 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 2: and support the club and we're going to have an 769 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 2: exciting I think into the year and hopefully play finals, 770 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 2: and it's an exciting time of the year and the 771 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 2: more the merria. 772 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 3: Basically is what I would say. 773 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: Perfect. Hey Tiff, did we record that or not? 774 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 4: No, we're going to have to start again. 775 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 3: Mate. 776 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye affair, but for the moment, thanks for 777 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: being on the new project. Good luck for the rest 778 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: of the year. I hope you smash Brisbane on the 779 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: weekend and we'll talk again soon. 780 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely pleasure, Craig, thanks so much and thanks Tiff. 781 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 4: Thank you.