WEBVTT - Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus

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<v Speaker 1>It took just nine months for the Liberal Party to

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<v Speaker 1>turn on its first female leader. After months of internal

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<v Speaker 1>agitation and sliding polls, a spill motion was called and

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of it, Susan Lee was out replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by a man many Conservatives had wanted all along, Angus Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the greatest honor of my life to be

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<v Speaker 2>elected as the leader of the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor, a former energy minister and standard bearer for the

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<v Speaker 1>party's right, has promised discipline, economic clarity, and a return

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<v Speaker 1>to what he calls call liberal values, where culture wars

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<v Speaker 1>aren't a distraction, they're the strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>Our nation must be defended because our history, our culture,

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<v Speaker 2>our values are worth celebrating and defending.

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<v Speaker 1>For some, it's a reset. For others, it's a signal

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<v Speaker 1>that internal battles are far from over. I'm Daniel James

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<v Speaker 1>and you're listening to seven am today Political editor us

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot areu samanthemated and how the spill unfolded.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether this puts the coalition in a stronger position than

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<v Speaker 1>it was at the start of the week. It's that day,

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<v Speaker 1>February fourteen, Sam, thanks so much for joining us. Many

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<v Speaker 1>will see this as another moderate liberal woman being forced

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<v Speaker 1>out of the parliament by conservative men. How will that play,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with female voters.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think it absolutely depends on the color of

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<v Speaker 3>your stripes. So there will absolutely be probably people from

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<v Speaker 3>the left and particularly people in the Labor Party and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe even in the left of the Liberal Party. I

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<v Speaker 3>think we call them moderates these days, who will think

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<v Speaker 3>that she didn't get a fair go. But obviously people

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<v Speaker 3>in the Liberal Party and the more conservative strain of

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<v Speaker 3>that party, they assert that this is not about a

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<v Speaker 3>gender at all. It is about performs and about merit,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is about values according to them as well,

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<v Speaker 3>because they just don't think that Susan Lee was basically

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<v Speaker 3>conservative enough that she didn't represent their values, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is why they argue that there's been this movement towards

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<v Speaker 3>one nation.

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<v Speaker 4>So they argue that she's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not strong enough, she's not right wing enough, and that

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<v Speaker 3>was why she went down in flames. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>there's been this interesting side show which has been either

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<v Speaker 3>organic and or organized depending on who you believe, that

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<v Speaker 3>you've had this absolute role call of women lining up

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<v Speaker 3>to attack Susan Lee. So they used to use that

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<v Speaker 3>term handbag hit squad which is obviously rather pejorative. But

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<v Speaker 3>if bag hit squads exist, there's been a really gnali

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<v Speaker 3>one in the Liberal Party this week.

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<v Speaker 5>The Liberal Party is crying out for change. We're at

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<v Speaker 5>a critical juncture right now, Susan Lee. Now I know

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<v Speaker 5>that the best days for our country and for the

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<v Speaker 5>Liberal Party are ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 6>Hard work starts today to make sure that we.

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<v Speaker 4>We just couldn't go on like this time is of

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<v Speaker 4>the essence.

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<v Speaker 3>We are in a critical moment right now.

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<v Speaker 4>We are losing members.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you been hearing from Angus Taylor's supporters were

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<v Speaker 1>broughtly in terms of what they think he can bring

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<v Speaker 1>to the leadership that Susan Lee wasn't able to bring well.

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<v Speaker 3>Strength for a start, And I think that it's quite

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<v Speaker 3>possible that Angus Taylor will enjoy a lot more loyalty

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<v Speaker 3>and less disunity than Susan Lee has experienced, because there's

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<v Speaker 3>almost this sense now of having you know, created a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of buzz and a lot of agro around the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes that people are now sort of saying, oh, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to put that all back in the box now.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we've got to behave ourselves because we've got a

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<v Speaker 3>new leader, so I think that they think that Angus

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor will be a conservative. That's where he comes from

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<v Speaker 3>in the party. He's already held a press conference on

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<v Speaker 3>Friday where he's been talking about a crackdown on immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll stand for an immigration policy that puts the interests

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians first and puts Australian values at the center

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<v Speaker 2>of that policy. If someone doesn't subscribe to our core beliefs,

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<v Speaker 2>the door must be shut.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course he wants to get on the front

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<v Speaker 3>foot in relation to income taxes as well, so he's

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledged that that was a big stuff up at the

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<v Speaker 3>last election of going to an election with higher taxes

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<v Speaker 3>than the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm particularly conscious that we got some big calls wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on personal income tax and it won't.

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<v Speaker 4>Happen again now.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously there's a whole story about what went on behind

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<v Speaker 3>the scenes with that, and he argues that he was

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<v Speaker 3>pushing Peter Dutton to do more. But the bottom line

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<v Speaker 3>is that's what happened when he was in charge of

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<v Speaker 3>the Treasury portfolio of the Liberal Party, and he's accepted

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<v Speaker 3>that that was a big stuff up and he says

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at Taylor's pitch during his speech on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>did it come across to you as though it was

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<v Speaker 1>different enough from what Peter Dutton took to the last election.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think that there are definitely similarities, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no doubt about that. Interestingly, I think that if you

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<v Speaker 3>actually have a look at the people that worked most

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<v Speaker 3>closely with Peter Dutton, whether it is Angst Taylor or

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<v Speaker 3>indeed Andrew Hasty, there were some real differences of opinion there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that it's almost a bit counterintuitive

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<v Speaker 3>because Peter Dutton looks like this big burley Queensland copper.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think a lot of people thought that he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't brave enough. You know that he talked the talk

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<v Speaker 3>when it came to being conservative, but he didn't always

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<v Speaker 3>walk the walk. And you know, I mean they find

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<v Speaker 3>it sort of absolutely astonishing that they went to an

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<v Speaker 3>election with this bizarre policy of not embracing income tax

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<v Speaker 3>cuts but having sort of this temporary, you know, fuel

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<v Speaker 3>excise tax cut in there, whatever you want to say

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<v Speaker 3>to it at the time. I think that the proof

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<v Speaker 3>is in the election it didn't work and they really

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<v Speaker 3>want to go back to core values for the Liberal.

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<v Speaker 4>Party, which is always going to be about.

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<v Speaker 3>Lower taxes, home ownership and sometimes about a pretty tough

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<v Speaker 3>approach to immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking of immigration, Tony Abbott was quick to pop his

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<v Speaker 1>head up on morning television once the spill had been declared.

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<v Speaker 6>He is going to restore Australian stand of living and

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<v Speaker 6>he is going to protect the Australian way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Anger Sturing. His speech seemed to be singing from the

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<v Speaker 1>same hymn book.

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<v Speaker 2>The first priority of the Liberal Party now under my

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<v Speaker 2>leadership will be to restore our standard of living and

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<v Speaker 2>protect our way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>So my question is can we expect a newly energized

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<v Speaker 1>to salt when it comes to the culture wars from

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition, particularly when it comes to immigration.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think we can expect more flags.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm reliably informed that Susan Lee had four of them

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<v Speaker 3>behind our last week, and Angus Taylor and Jane him

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<v Speaker 3>had six, So that's a two flag upgrade there that

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<v Speaker 3>they had. Once again, it depends on where you sit

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<v Speaker 3>in this debate. For conservatives, they believe that the values

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<v Speaker 3>debate is quite important right and they always have and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they always will. So whether that's about

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<v Speaker 3>education where they have a big culture war about back

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<v Speaker 3>to basics, literacy and unracy, getting what they regard as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, dodgy lefty propaganda, possibly involving Bluey. I'm being

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<v Speaker 3>a bit facetious, but you know, like this is a

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<v Speaker 3>real thing. There is quite a good deal of evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that culture wars sometimes can really work.

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<v Speaker 4>John Howard. There's a lot of culture wars over.

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<v Speaker 3>The times, and a lot of them were pretty successful politically,

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<v Speaker 3>and conservatives would argue that it goes beyond the raw

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<v Speaker 3>politics of you know, electoral arithmetic. I mean they think

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<v Speaker 3>that these things are important that if you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be the government, you want to change the country, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you've got to have your values front and center.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the mountain Angus needs to climb to save

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<v Speaker 1>his own party. Sam Angus Taylor has been around for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, but not many people would know a great

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<v Speaker 1>deal about him. So what is it about his track

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<v Speaker 1>record that we should know as he takes the leadership

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<v Speaker 1>of the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he does look like the liberal MP from Central Casting,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, he's got the arm. Williams he's

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<v Speaker 3>got that kind of regional rural background.

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<v Speaker 4>He went to a boarding school.

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<v Speaker 3>He probably has a Cocca Spaniel or a Labrador. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a Coccer Spaniel, so I'm not being disparaging of

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<v Speaker 3>people with Cocka Spaniels. I like Cocka Spaniels a great deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But he went off to Sydney University. I think he

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<v Speaker 3>studied law there. He was a Rhodes scholar, so he's

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<v Speaker 3>obviously good at some form of sport and forgive me,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know which one it was. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he's gone off to a British university and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he did a master's in philosophy, so he's not stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Although Malcolm Turnbull rather unkindly, stay very unkindly, described Hi

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<v Speaker 3>as an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>He's always here to help Malcolm.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's always here to help.

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<v Speaker 3>And Malcolm basically said, which was probably his most brutal

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<v Speaker 3>attack that he said that Rhodes scholarships are a dime

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<v Speaker 3>a dozen, anyone can get them.

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<v Speaker 6>A lot of people say about Angus Taylor is he

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<v Speaker 6>is the best qualified idiot they've ever met. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>this is a tough thing to say, but what they're

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<v Speaker 6>saying is this guy's got all these degrees. He's got

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<v Speaker 6>all of these qualifications. Is Rhodes Scholet Mind you, there

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<v Speaker 6>are a dime a dozen Look at me and Tony Abbott.

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<v Speaker 4>So his wife is a barrister. She's super interesting. They've

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<v Speaker 4>got four children.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they live a life that is both in

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<v Speaker 3>the city, in Sydney, but in regional Australia as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's obviously made a bit of money over his time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't think he's a bazillionaire, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>not short of a a quid either, And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you never know, it could turn out

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<v Speaker 3>to be more interesting than people are suspecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that he's later, his task is to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>city voters to win back women, young people, while also

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<v Speaker 1>having to keep the nationals happy and fend off a

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<v Speaker 1>stampeding one nation in the regions. Some of that might

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<v Speaker 1>be possible, Sam, But is all of it possible?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess we're going to find out.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you'd have to sort of suppose that given

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<v Speaker 3>the enormous majority that the Prime Minister has that that

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<v Speaker 3>would be pretty difficult to peg back in one election.

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<v Speaker 3>That said, I mean, we didn't really expect what happened

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<v Speaker 3>to happen in this election, Like it's a pretty surprising

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I've never seen before, the idea that you

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<v Speaker 3>can be on a primary vote with the three in

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<v Speaker 3>front of it and end up with a majority like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's some wild sort of things going on. I

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<v Speaker 3>suspect that angers could be a little bit more likable

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<v Speaker 3>than people suspect. You know, Angus Taylor is clearly like

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<v Speaker 3>a gen X person, right, and those sort of male

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<v Speaker 3>gen X voters, they're exactly the ones that are going

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<v Speaker 3>to one nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think necessarily that he fits that bill because

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<v Speaker 3>he's obviously quite a wealthy, middle class, highly educated individual

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<v Speaker 3>with did I mention a very interesting wife, So he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't necessarily fit that bill. But I think that he's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he's a younger generation of leaders than we've

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<v Speaker 3>had in the past. To be fair, Peter Dutton was

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<v Speaker 3>also gen xer, but you know, different generation to Tony

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<v Speaker 3>Abbott and obviously a different generation to John Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, Sam we started the week with a split coalition

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<v Speaker 1>and Susan Lee as the leader of the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Libs and the Nats are back together and

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<v Speaker 1>Nagus Taylor is in charge. Does all of that put

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<v Speaker 1>them in a better or worse spot than they started

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<v Speaker 1>the week with?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think at one hundred percent puts them in

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<v Speaker 3>a better spot. Like, I don't have any doubt of that.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got a new team. They're going to get an

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<v Speaker 3>enormous amount of free meat out of that. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to have Jane Him Angus Taylor on all the programs.

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<v Speaker 3>There's going to be spreads in the newspaper. It's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a new Dawn. How long that new door

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<v Speaker 3>will last for, I don't know. But I also suspect

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<v Speaker 3>that Angus Taylor is going to be more sympatico with

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<v Speaker 3>David Little Proud. I mean, I think that David Little

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<v Speaker 3>Proud gave Susan Lee a really rough time, not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of loyalty at all. And you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>like the poor woman, like you know, I mean literally

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<v Speaker 3>her I always remember that her mother had literally died,

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<v Speaker 3>and David Little Prowd's giving these interviews going.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, you know, I try to be really sensitive.

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<v Speaker 3>I went around like her mother's died, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>went to the town where she lived, like her mother

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<v Speaker 3>has died.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I just need to make it clear to the

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<v Speaker 1>listener that that wasn't actually David Little Proud speaking. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just you're doing an impersonation of David Little Prowd.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, that's right, you know, but it was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, this poor woman. And then she's been

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<v Speaker 3>trying to sort of hold this crew together. She has

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<v Speaker 3>been really undermined. It has been really tough. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for I don't usually say this, but you know, she's

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<v Speaker 3>on the old pension scheme. She's been in parliament for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years. I can't help but think, my god,

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<v Speaker 3>she's earned it. She has earned having a massively outrageous

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<v Speaker 3>parliamentary pension and going off into the sunset and hanging

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<v Speaker 3>out with their grandchildren. Now that to one side, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that the Liberal Party is in a

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<v Speaker 3>better place. I think they're going to get a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of free media. I think that there is obviously the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity in that to make mistakes and go on Sunrise,

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<v Speaker 3>gone to GB and say something stupid. I did enjoy,

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<v Speaker 3>not that I'm all suggesting it was stupid. Jane Hume

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<v Speaker 3>saying at the press conference, which was asked about migration

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<v Speaker 3>that not only some of her best friends, but in

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<v Speaker 3>fact her partner is Greek and her brother in Lawa's Chinese.

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<v Speaker 5>My partner is Greek, my brother in LAWA is Chinese.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, it's part of all Australians. So when we

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<v Speaker 5>say we want to talk to all Australians, that includes everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not discriminating one section or another. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>other parties do, what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>So there could be more exciting thrills and spills of

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<v Speaker 3>that nature from Jane Hume because she sometimes says interesting

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<v Speaker 3>things and sometimes you'd have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Rather ill advised things.

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<v Speaker 3>But bottom line is yes, I think that they are

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely in a better place at the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>week than they were and I think that Angus Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>will probably enjoy more loyalty than Susan Lee ever did.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam fantastic, great move, well done and thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, it has been a big week.

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