WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 26 March 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.240 Welcome the Late Bait. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:08.920 Great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.960 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.720 Woolworths are selling shopping bags for twenty dollars a piece 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.479 and people are buying them. What cost of living crisis. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:20.400 We'll talk about what's going on there. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.720 You don't have one, James. I saw you carting your 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:24.800 stuff in with it tonight. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:26.920 I get resentful every time I have to pay twenty 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.479 five cents for a paper shopping bag that then breaks 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.519 as I walk across the road, scattering my groceries, and 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:34.040 that's happened. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.479 Bored and don't buy them. I will carry an insane 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:38.720 amount of groceries. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.440 I don't want to be to the car. What about 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.600 you know you have you open someone's boot or you 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:45.640 get in an uber and they've got just a boot 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.239 full of like shopping bags that. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.600 They everyone's got that cupboard at home. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.080 I buy the paper bags that I get angry about 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.840 it every time. Anyway, we'll talk about that a little later. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.760 Clearly we're stirred up on that subject. Plus when we 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.360 look at tomorrow's papers. Peter Dutton and now since he 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.040 will cut the fuel excise good news for motorists and 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.880 a local council are ex signs at a city garden 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.919 advising people, in fact, pleading with people, please don't spread 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.039 human remains here. We'll get to that a little later, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.600 but first you would have seen on television those advertisements 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.240 offering the chance to learn about your ancestry through genetic testing, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.640 and like me, you've probably been tempted. I mean, who 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.440 wouldn't want to find out their backstory and maybe discover 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.800 if they've got some sort of, you know, exotic history. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.920 One of the pioneers of this technology is a company 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.919 called twenty three and Me. It started in San Francisco 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.840 back in two thousand and six, and over the past 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.560 twenty years they've collected saliva samples from more than fifteen 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.680 million people whose DNA they've stored on company databases. Now 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.920 here's where it gets interesting. Twenty three and Me the 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.120 company are now facing bankruptcy, so to avoid that, they're 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.200 looking at selling the company, which then raises the question 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.960 does the buyer get access to millions of people's DNA? 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.399 And who is this buyer? And what will they use 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.240 the information for the chairperson of twenty three and Me 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.000 is trying to assure clients that it's not going to 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.520 be a problem no matter who buys the company. He 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.040 released a statement saying we are committed to continuing to 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:26.240 safeguard customer data and being transparent about the management of 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.200 user data going forward, and data privacy will be an 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:35.520 important consideration in any potential transaction. Which doesn't exactly fill 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.360 you with confidence, It certainly didn't fill the Attorney General 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.520 of California with confidence. He released a statement urging Californians 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.280 who have given their DNA to this company to take action. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.520 In a statement, he said, given twenty three and Me's 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.040 reported financial distress, I remind Californians to consider invoking their 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.760 rights and directing twenty three and ME to delete their 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.200 data and destroy any sample of genetic material held by 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.880 the company. Of course, it may already be too late, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.240 because in an undercover interview, Nate Johnson, the policy advisor 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.680 for the US Treasury, said that this company's major shareholders 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:19.040 are all pharmaceutical companies who've already had access to people's 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:25.680 DNA data. Here he is, then. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.560 Figure out what you were I actually did that. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.560 I should do that, though, do not give your information they. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.120 Saw it, do they sell it to pressure something? Study 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.120 meet Nathaniel Johnson, a policy advisor for the United States 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.360 Department of the Treasury. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.680 There's a clause in the country says like. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.520 The information sure there is. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:54.600 So set all their share a like pharmaceuticals. We're still 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.440 with this pharmacipical and is for company's based in the country, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.600 And pharma recipal means in other countries they plant the 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.360 property of like Administry of Defense and rush or like 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:07.480 by change. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.280 So obviously this story raises all kinds of ethical questions. Liz, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.640 you ever been tempted to spit into a tube, send 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.800 it to some company and find out if maybe your 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.520 part Spanish or German law. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.880 Never and it genuinely boggles my brain that anyone is 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:28.040 up for this. There is nothing more private than your 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:34.080 personal DNA data. And this company actually just a few 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:39.559 years ago had a five month security breach that met 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:45.240 millions of their customers. Nobody knows where the data's even gone, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.279 but millions of them had their personal data. Almost seven 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:54.160 million customers had their data just out there flapping around, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.560 and that resulted in twenty three and me paying out 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.400 a thirty million dollar settlement. So that quote there from 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.200 the CEO just laughter. You can't laugh any harder. I 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.159 was like, oh, but we're going to keep it secure, mate, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.960 you haven't historically Anyway. This is a story that should 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.520 make everyone sit up and take note, because what this 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.520 means is the fate of millions of Americans. DNA is 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:26.719 now subject to a court supervised sale. I don't know 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:31.240 about you, but who's buying it? Who is that interested 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.000 in your DNA? Indeed, you would notice that bloke, they're 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.080 referred to the shareholders of twenty three and me And 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.760 guess who the top shareholders are? Black Rock and Vanguard 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.480 the world the's largest investment companies. And if you're sitting 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:51.600 at home going well, I used Ancestry, so that's different. No, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.720 that was brought out in twenty twenty by Blackstone, another 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:00.599 very large investment company, was bought for four foero point 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:05.160 seven billion dollars. Again, the question remains, why are these 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:10.520 guys so interested in getting their hands on your DNA data. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.239 It's a very very pertinent question to be asking. Someone's 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.560 profiting off it and it's not you. And only a 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:25.480 brief look at Blackrock and Vanguard's many, many, many entanglements 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.560 and their clients. Shows that they have a lot of 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.560 these pharmaceutical companies, that's what he's referring to there within 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.920 their paddock. So it stands to reason, where is this 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.359 DNA now? Has it already been sold off? That is 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.480 what this report from James O'Keeffe is alluding to. So 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.000 you've got this state supervised sale pending, but the suggestion 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.840 here is that a lot of it has already been 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.960 sold off. And if what Johnson said is even remotely 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.760 true in that clip there, this is that is DNA 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:08.160 being sold to private companies. This is a massive issue 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:14.840 of national security type importance. And how you ask, Well, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.800 a man by the name of Jason Crow, he's a 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.320 member of the House Committee on Armed Services and House 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.240 Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. This was some years ago, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:31.080 but he was raising this issue, perhaps quite prophetically. He said, quote, 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.240 that's what this is, where you can actually take someone's DNA, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.720 you know their medical profile, and you can target a 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.480 biological weapon that will kill that person or take them 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.320 off the battlefield, or make them inoperable. The bottom line is, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.600 why why would anyone just be like, oh, yeah, it's 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.600 just about genealogy, It's just about finding out my family history. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:08:01.040 I cannot understand how millions of people are that naive. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.280 And that's I've always said that I wouldn't do it 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.480 because who knows where my DNA is getting en up? 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.720 I mean twenty three and meters until this point has 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.080 already done fifteen deals with pharmaceutical companies to share the 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:18.840 DNA data that they had. Glaxosmith Klein paid three hundred 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.280 million US dollars in twenty eighteen to get access to 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:27.960 five million people's DNA, So they're already profiting off this DNA, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:28.680 which is. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.200 A sacred thing. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:35.600 It's like your fingerprint, right, it is your unique identify Now, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.840 in some ways that identifier isn't totally unique, because we 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.880 know people have been linked to crimes that they didn't 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.200 actually commit because perhaps the coppers had your brother's DNA 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.040 and all of a sudden, they think you've committed a crime, 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.040 but it was actually someone else. And that's the other 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.520 thing I've always wondered, Well, what's to stop a government 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.559 anywhere in the world trying to get hold of this data, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.200 whether they do it through the courts or they buy 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.640 it or whatever. So here I am, and I'm not 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.080 saying I'm planning to commit any crimes that would require 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.720 the police to gain access to my DNA. But in 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.880 twenty fifty, when Comrade General Albow is still running the 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.200 country and he's finally decided it's my time to go 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.120 to the Gulag and you're going to put me up 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.600 on some Trump DAP charges, and he gets my DNA 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.080 from ancestry dot com or twenty three and me, what 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.680 am I going to do about it? I mean, why 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:25.720 would you voluntarily give that over to anyone else when 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:27.960 you don't have to. I get that people want to 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.520 trace their family trees, et cetera, But like. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.319 Could you make it any easier. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.320 For you to become a target of private companies or 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.760 governments or whoever it might be with nefarious intent? 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.840 It is so dumb that there's an interesting story Becker 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.560 from twenty eighteen where police have been searching for decades 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.960 for he was called the night Stalker or the Golden 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.679 State Killer, someone who had raped and murdered dozens of 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.080 women in the seventies and eighties, and they've been completely 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.640 unable to find this guy. So police got DNA and 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.840 they went into eed match and they looked at they 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.040 found twenty possible great great grandparents. They narrowed it down 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.120 to two suspects and eventually found the person using one 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.880 of these ancestry websites to track down the killer so 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:15.480 governments can access it. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:15.839 They do. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.200 Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's a nefarious. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.880 Purpose, and they're happy for that to make it into 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.320 the media because it's like, oh, look, this is a 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.160 positive thing. Never mind that we compromise the DNA data 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.080 of millions of people in order to just be like, hi, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.959 excuse me, ancestry dot com, excuse me twenty three and 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.600 meter well where the government, where the law enforces. So 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.760 it's in safe hands with us. Just hand it over, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.560 won't you that that's fine? No, it's not fine. Like 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.679 I said, nothing is more private than your personal genetic info. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.200 And you have no idea how someone can webonize. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.760 That you'd wanted insurance companies well, exactly, I want it. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:54.640 Well, there's lots of I mean, the. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.920 Track your driving if they get DNA. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.559 Exactly, And that's the next thing. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.280 They'll be refusing health industans on the basis of your 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.640 DNA because they'll do the genomic testing and they'll work 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.640 out that you've got a family history of breast cancer 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.920 or whatever it is, and then they'll start denying you insurance. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.440 That's where this is going. That's why this stuff is 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.360 so valuable. I mean, you know, I worry about giving 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.640 my bloody idea if I go into a nightclub or 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:26.160 a registered club or something. No, I don't get but 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.240 I have been to nightclubs. We're in order to get 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.040 in the door, they scan your ID before you go in. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.600 Presumably you know, if you cause a raucus or something, 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.280 it then means they've got your stuff on record. But 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.240 I'm like, what's the rules here? Are you going to 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.440 destroy that at any point? Do you just now have 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.240 my photograph and my address on record forever? 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.280 And what do you like? Seriously, I worry about that. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.360 And some people are willing to hand their DNA over 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.360 to a private company. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:52.520 I don't get it. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.760 I'll tell you one thing else I don't get. Well, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.240 I do actually get it. I know why the federal 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.880 government is doing it, but gee, it makes me uncomfortable 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:04.080 is that they have started getting influences involved in their 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.640 election and budget coverage. There were influences, thirteen of them 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.679 to be specific, who were allowed into the federal budget 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.079 lock up yesterday. Some of them had their flights and 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.840 accommodation paid for by the ALP. The Labor Party wanted 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.520 the social media influences there, ranging from people who do 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.079 money podcasts to people who get maker living in notoriety 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.040 out of modeling swimwear and activewear. I mean, they're the 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:34.800 sort of people that you want to be taking your 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.680 budget advice from, of course, but they want them in 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.160 the room and will pay for their flights and accommodation 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.439 to get them there, presumably because they want positive coverage. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.320 I mean, why else would you be paying for them 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.600 to be there. Take a look at some of the 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.040 content that these excellent influencers produced yesterday. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.000 Ultimately, it's not about me. It's about the audience that 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.480 I have cultivated, who are engaged progressive Australians who give 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.719 a talk about the future of this country. And he 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.360 wants to use me to speak to them. What gives 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.679 you hope? You no better than anyone in Australia right now? 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.480 What gives you hope for the next generation? Not just 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:12.280 as a politician but. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:12.800 As a person? 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:19.199 Can I get a signature? They keep Jim away from it? 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.520 I mean, how pathetic is that? 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.400 Or excuse me for our next minister. Can I have 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.880 your autograph please? 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.320 I mean you're supposedly there to cover the budget, not 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.880 to be a sicker fan. You heard the first woman, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.680 of course, saying, the Prime Minister is using me to 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:38.480 talk to you. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:39.760 I mean, the. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:40.520 Jiggy is up. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.240 She's just said it. The Prime Minister is using her 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.800 as a mouthpiece to run the ALP line to people 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.240 and they will pay your flights and accommodation if you 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:52.720 will do it. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.200 And ab had that softball. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.640 Question that the second woman, Oh, what gives you hope 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.120 for the future. I mean, what gives elbow hope for 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.680 the future is that he just bought a four million 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.120 dollar cliff top mansion at Copa Cabata, and if it 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.200 all goes sour, he'll be able to go there and 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.440 enjoy the rest of his life outside of politics. This 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.120 makes me really uncomfortable because we all know there are 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.160 media outlets that are friendlier to the government and others 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.360 that are unfriendlier to the It's always been thus we 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:18.839 know that. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.840 But any media outlet that wants to. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.920 Go and cover the budget pays its own expenses. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.320 The Labor Party, the Liberal Party, whoever. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.040 Does not pay for journalists to come along and cover 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.480 the budget. And that's for a very good reason, because 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.560 if the politicians aren't paying you to do your job, 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.040 you can at least do your job with a sceric 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:44.600 of integrity and independence. Surely, the moment a political party 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.160 literally starts paying in kind, as it is in this case, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.520 I'm not saying he's five grand to come to the budget, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.760 but will pay for your flights and accommodation. Surely they 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.680 then expect in return some positive coverage that, as far 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.960 as I'm concerned, is cash for comment. I try to 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.840 do that on this network or on radio. I'm up 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.880 before Akma for not declaring that because it's an advertising deal. Essentially, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.440 are these people not doing advertising deals with the government. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.320 Of a question? Where did they get this idea from? Caleb? 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.320 Wasn't this a Trump administration idea? 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.840 Well, he certainly spoke to a lot of podcasters. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.040 Famously allow influencers into the White House press briefing rooms. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.840 Now this is interesting because don't the Albanezi government continually 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:33.040 criticize Peter Dutton for copying from Trump's playbook and accusing 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:37.280 him of Trumpian politics. And here's the Labor Party lifting 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.880 an idea straight from Donald Trump. I should point out 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.960 we've got to be careful not to be hypocritical, because 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.520 I think when Trump did this, we all said, oh, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.360 this is great. He's opening it up to the new media. 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.800 Now Albanese is doing this and we're like, oh, this 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.520 is dodgy. I had no issue. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.880 I have no issue letting them come in. If they 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.040 want to do coverage, that's fine. But it's when they 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.440 start being paid by the government or a political party problem. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.760 Some of these people have got clear biases. Sarah Ferguson, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:08.040 who's famous on Instagram, was one of the thirteen influencers 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:12.480 invited by government ministers handpicked. She on her Instagram talks 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.680 about things like how to convince your grandparents not to 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.160 vote for Peter Dutton. I can't imagine why albany'ze has 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.360 invited her to cover the budget. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.960 She's already on board, she's already peddling the message. But look, 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.400 this is incredibly smart. The difference with what Trump's team did, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.000 obviously was to go on these podcasts that are millions 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.560 of followers in the States. Both he and jd Vancey, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:41.840 his VP, did this, and it was incredibly effective because 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:47.200 much like Australia. In America, the younger generations are completely 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:53.120 disengaged from politics, but they watch these influences, they watch 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.280 the podcasters. So what the Albanezy government is doing here 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.600 is incredibly smart. None of these young people are reading 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.520 the paper, none of these young people are following any 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.919 pollies on any of the socials, but they're following these influences. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.000 So it's very likely that whatever these influencers say is 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.720 going to be the only exposure that those young people 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.200 get to Australian politics and the state of the nation 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.800 in the lead up to the election, in the lead 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.160 up to the day that they'll go to the ballot box. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.040 You know what Anthiobenes is going to do next, He's 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.560 going to get contestants from Maps to go with him 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:30.880 on the. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.280 That really can it does? 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.479 It worries me about where politics is going though, and 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.120 the greater body politic because you know, of course, as 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.520 I said before, it's always been us. There are elements 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.199 of the media that are friendly to the left and 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.600 not so friendly to the right, and people will tend 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.600 to gravitate towards sources of media that they think confirms 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.760 their biases. We all know that, and it's always been 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.119 that way. That's fine, it's a free market. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.440 But I feel like now, you know, previously it least 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.040 there would be people in here. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.600 On Sky News, we have lefties who come on and 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.960 talk to what is largely a conservative audience because we 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.879 feel like, you know, we've actually got to provide a 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.160 bit of balance here. But that doesn't exist on social media. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.600 And of course, with algorithms the way they work on 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.160 social media, they will continually feed you stuff that they 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.800 think you want to see. So it just reinforces and 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:26.480 reinforces and reinforces whatever your existing. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.320 Biases are and doesn't challenge you in any way. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.360 So if it becomes influences that people get all their 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.080 information from, and social media is feeding them what the 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.760 algorithm thinks they want to see, they're never going to 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.760 be exposed to anything the side. And so you don't 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.040 actually know why you think what you think. You just 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.639 think it because that's all you've ever seen. And I 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.639 think that's a really dangerous place to be. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.960 Speaking of danger. In today's episode of are the Left 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:59.200 just a dangerously violent bunch of whack jobs? The Dems 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.480 with their twenty seven percent approval rating in the states. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.280 At the moment, I've decided the way they're going to 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.240 dig themselves out of this hole is to launch a 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.560 speaking tour featuring the most radical elements in their party, 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.520 namely Rep. AOC and Bernie Sanders. They're going on a 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:24.800 speaking tour speaking against oligarchs, and it doesn't take a 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:29.040 genius to figure out who those oligarchs are, namely Musk 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.720 and Co. They're doing this, of course, in conjunction with 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:41.160 the domestic terrorists currently running rife on elon Musk's biggest company, Tesla, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.440 in which sixty percent of his wealth is wrapped up. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:52.320 So his AOC speaking at her own rally and check 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.840 out what someone in the crowd yells out. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:06.280 That his campaigns big his how nice there and all 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.040 of us are allowed to behind. 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.439 Because a French Revolution reference with that sign on the 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.760 stage is a okay if you're the Democrats. Notice the 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.840 distinct absence of any like oh whoa whoa, no mate 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.439 where we're not about that though. She just continues on 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:31.160 like nothing happened. Let's check in with another Democratic Rep. Shelby. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.360 She's Jasmine Crockett and not a violent person at all. 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.160 You'd think to watch this interview. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.840 I think that you punch. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:41.080 I think you punch. 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.159 I think you're okay, you you okay, we're punching, you know, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.320 I think and I love Colin, and I think towards 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.040 the end he started to punch a little harder. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.200 But like it's sare rules. 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.520 I mean, like this dude has to be nuts over 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:58.520 the head, like hard, right, Like there is no niceties 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.640 with him, like at all, Like you go clean off 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:02.320 on him, right. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.000 Oh, it's perfectly okay to threaten physical violence against the 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.480 Secretary of State because we don't like him. He's on 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.440 Trunk's team. So yeah, just whack him in the head 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.119 as hard as you can. And before you think this 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.560 is just limited to the radicals in the Democratic Party, 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.560 some of the most popular talk show hosts in the 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.920 United States of America are also featuring these stories regarding 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:34.640 the takedown of Elon Musk to massive applause in their audiences. 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.119 They're taking to the streets or the parking lots. 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.000 Could I be FBI and ATF now investigating multiple cases 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.800 of possible arts and targeting tesla's and cyber trucks. 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:50.400 This dramatic video shows multiple cars and flames. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.760 Police say the attacker used molotov cocktails. It's the latest 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.240 and more than a dozen instances of our sin. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.560 Cyber trucks were set on fire in Kansas City, and 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.919 earlier this month, shots fired at a Tesla dealership in Oregon. 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.840 Cyber trucks on fire in Seattle. Wow, you guys like 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.160 pettiacts of domestic terrorism. 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.160 Hardly call that a petty act. But you could tell 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.600 that even the host was a little taken aback by 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.760 the enthusiastic enthusiasm of the crowd there as they watched 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.080 people's cars just go up in flames. Check out Jimmy Kimmel, 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.480 he is one of the head honchos of late night 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.480 TV in the States, trying to make it funny and 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.040 suggesting that well, Elon Musk should have thought about this before. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.159 He lined with Trump, when you pull out a chainsaw 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.560