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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the pod.

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Speaker 2: This is one of my bonus episodes and I'm joined

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Speaker 2: again by Sarah and Emma from Interview Boss. Make sure

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Speaker 2: to listen to our main episode if you haven't already,

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Speaker 2: but you're here still in the studio and you're doing

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Speaker 2: the bonus with me and today in this episode, we're

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Speaker 2: going to be just spilling some tea about things that

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Speaker 2: we've heard that have happened in workplaces in our experience.

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Speaker 1: Yep, what have you got? Sarah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to say whether this was anything

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Speaker 3: to do with any workplaces I've worked in or whether

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Speaker 3: I've heard whatever happened someone vaping at their desk wasn't

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Speaker 3: just a regular vape though. It was a weed babe,

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Speaker 3: not just like indoors at their desk. I'm like, can

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Speaker 3: you not even run out.

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Speaker 1: Crazy?

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Speaker 4: What's the disciplinary action for a weed babe?

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Speaker 1: Immediate dismissed.

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Speaker 3: It depends on how long they've been working there. Hang on,

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Speaker 3: who who noticed this? Was that the teammate next door?

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Speaker 3: Go on, you'd smell it. Surely they didn't even hide it.

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Speaker 3: Someone was like, ah, I use a regular vape sometimes

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Speaker 3: sneakily at my desk, but I think.

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Speaker 1: That's a step too far.

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Speaker 3: Oh a fella, yeah, fellow VAPO who pointed them out,

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Speaker 3: I think, But yeah, it depends on how long they've

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Speaker 3: been working there. I think in this case the person

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Speaker 3: was maybe in probation, So that's a very straightforward kind

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Speaker 3: of situation.

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Speaker 2: That's another thing as well, which we didn't touch on

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Speaker 2: in the main episode, which I feel like we could

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Speaker 2: do a whole episode about, and one thing that I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of business owners will go into business

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Speaker 2: not even thinking about. Like, as we know, like hiring

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Speaker 2: someone is such a delicate process and like we mentioned

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Speaker 2: in the first episode, like it's terrifying and you've got

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Speaker 2: to put so much trust. But one thing that you

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Speaker 2: deal with a lot in business is you know, having

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Speaker 2: to deal with certain things happening, and it all comes

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Speaker 2: down to the way that that person is employed and

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Speaker 2: how long they've been employed. And it's just something that

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Speaker 2: I never thought of when I started Fate, But like,

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Speaker 2: even if someone is doing something terribly wrong, you've got

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Speaker 2: to like jump through hoops before you can.

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Speaker 1: Actually deal with that issue. And it's just one of

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Speaker 1: those things spacking.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't just be like get the fuck out

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Speaker 2: of here, like if someone's done something bad, like you've

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Speaker 2: actually got to take all these necessary steps.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's like you can sometimes see that

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Speaker 3: from the perspective of, like why can't we have more

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Speaker 3: power as businesses to make these decisions? But I think

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Speaker 3: it's sometimes helpful to think about it from a perspective

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Speaker 3: of a relationship. Like a really good friend that you've

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Speaker 3: like that wasn't really appropriate, or they upset you or whatever,

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Speaker 3: You're not going to immediately cut them off forever as

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Speaker 3: a friend. It depends on Oh, but they've been so

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Speaker 3: know what's going on, Like what why did they do that?

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Speaker 3: Can I have a chat to them about it? And Oh,

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Speaker 3: they're going to apologize and not do it again. And

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Speaker 3: maybe it's just that one blip in that long relationship, right,

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Speaker 3: But if they're a brand new friend and they do something,

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Speaker 3: you might be like, well, that's not worth it. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: a kind of perspective of you might have stuff ups

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Speaker 3: in your life, Like good people do bad things. I

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Speaker 3: do believe that there are consequences, but good people sometimes

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Speaker 3: do bad things, and I think that's A similar approach

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Speaker 3: in a workplace is if you've got a twenty year

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Speaker 3: unblemished career history with this employer and you make one

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Speaker 3: mistake for someone else, that might be the end of

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Speaker 1: It might be a.

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Speaker 3: Warning and you know, a stern kind of conversation.

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Speaker 2: Which I think is something that a lot of business

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Speaker 2: owners would then struggle with. Like when you are in

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Speaker 2: that predicament of someone's been doing something wrong and you

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Speaker 2: can't just again.

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Speaker 1: Like going back to having hard conversations.

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Speaker 2: People don't want to do it, so either leave it

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Speaker 2: you've then got to step in and have like an

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Business owners, especially new business owners, would get stuck when

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Speaker 2: they just want everyone to be happy and they don't

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Speaker 2: want to deal with any kind of tricky conversations. But

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Speaker 2: in my experience, I've just learned have that hard conversational

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Speaker 2: because your life is going to be easier after it.

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Speaker 3: What other situations have you had to deal with.

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Speaker 1: Or heard about happening?

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Speaker 2: Word one that comes to mind that I don't know

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Speaker 2: where it happened, or may or may not have been

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Speaker 2: at the company that I own.

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Speaker 1: Someone napping on the clock.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I can one up that. Oh what about

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Speaker 3: napping on the clock up high in the racks of

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Speaker 3: the warehouse? Yeah okay, yeah, okay, apparently that's a common thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only experienced that once. So they're climbing up

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Speaker 2: on No, it wasn't in my warehouse.

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Speaker 3: I can say that, climbing up into the racks up high,

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Speaker 3: that's right. And it's like, it's just there's so many

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Speaker 3: reasons you could unpack in that warning letter termination the confidence,

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Speaker 3: Like I've been tempted to nap a lot of times

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Speaker 3: in breakfast radio, but to just to just commit and

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Speaker 3: I have a tenor like I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. I'm like, if you need to

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Speaker 1: take a break, like.

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Speaker 2: Go to someone, just like I'm feeling a bit fucked,

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Speaker 2: I just like, go sit in my car for twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes and close my eyes. Instead, people are like, nap

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Speaker 2: on the job, and now I'm like, now you're going

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Speaker 2: to get in trouble.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Someone drinking vodka out of a water bottle that was

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Speaker 3: like a clear water bottle.

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Speaker 1: It's just straight vodka. Okay, how did how did that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how did I find out? How do you find

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's a bad one because it was actually a

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Speaker 3: customer that went, hey, can I speak to someone?

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Speaker 5: I think he's drunk?

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Speaker 3: Drunk? Oh, yeah, that's bad.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask, because we hear stories about this

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Speaker 4: in workplaces all over. But as someone in HR, how

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Speaker 4: many times have you come across the issue of people

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Speaker 4: having intimate relations within a workplace? Is that quite common?

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Speaker 3: Like as in at work, yes, like in the in

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Speaker 3: the office, yes, like physical intimate like in the workplace. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I haven't run in to that before. But I've worked

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Speaker 3: date and they break up and they whatever. That's really common.

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Speaker 3: Haven't actually dealt with that happening in the office, although

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never experienced that, Like I can say, like,

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Speaker 2: we've never had anything like that happen at fate, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what people areetting not to do at

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Speaker 1: Of the warehouse.

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Speaker 3: There's no security taps.

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Speaker 6: No. I've heard now that I'm in corporate life, I

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Speaker 6: hear stories a lot, not from this place, but you

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Speaker 6: hear stories from other workplaces all the time saying, oh this,

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Speaker 6: these people are doing this in the meeting room on

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Speaker 1: I believe it.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, like, provided that it's consensual and it's adults

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Speaker 3: and you know there's no kind of issues around, like

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Speaker 5: I don't want to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: She's like, I don't care play. I just like, don't

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Speaker 3: often stuff comes to me and I'm like, God, I

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Speaker 3: wish you'd just gotten away with this because I really

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Speaker 3: don't want to have to deal with it, Like can

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Speaker 3: you've done that better, like whatever thing you said about

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Speaker 3: be involved, and I really don't like. Nobody likes. No

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Speaker 1: That's what we always say.

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Speaker 2: Like there's been a few instances where I've had to

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Speaker 2: myself in that predicament, Like I'm always just honest.

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Speaker 1: And speak like a human to my staff, and I.

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Speaker 2: Always just say, look, I don't want to be doing this, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I wish employees would realize that as well, or

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Speaker 2: like if I'm looking for an opportunity, no, like I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be having this disciplinary meeting with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have to be handing you this

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people may think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'd actually rather never do this again in my whole career.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, even if you think people are evil, it's more

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Speaker 3: Admint who likes admin. Even evil people don't like.

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Speaker 2: Adamt exactly right, and which staff would just realize that,

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Speaker 2: Like we just want everyone to have fun, get along, yeah,

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Speaker 1: The work, go home. You don't have to be besties.

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Speaker 2: Like we don't expect that, and just like, don't do

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Speaker 2: an awkward conversation. I don't have to give you a

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Speaker 2: warning letter. We don't have to dismiss you from your role.

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Speaker 3: And there's so many things where you just could have said, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm dealing with this, instead of pretending you were here

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Speaker 3: I was definitely there, and you're like, well, I can

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Speaker 3: actually see that you weren't, like, and then it's a

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Speaker 3: whole story. You could have just said, oh, something happened,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, and it wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Have been It's better to just be honest, and the

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Speaker 3: Up becomes a whole story. And like, there's so many

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Speaker 3: I think that these are the fun ones to talk about.

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Speaker 3: I guess, like the crazy, outlandish kind of behavior, But

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Speaker 3: the more crazy concerning is the fraud. The you know,

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff is just awful.

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Speaker 2: I worked at a place when I was when I

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Speaker 2: was younger, like before I had a license. I as

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Speaker 2: a teenager, and two people that I was working with

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Speaker 2: that were a couple, like we were all really young,

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Speaker 2: like they were a few.

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Speaker 1: Years older than me.

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Speaker 2: They were stealing money from the business that I was

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Speaker 2: they could charge it was like an old school cash register,

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Speaker 2: you know, so they could charge things that I don't

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Speaker 2: know how they were doing it. And they were like

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Speaker 2: there'd be change in the middle, so the customer would

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Speaker 1: And I remember I was so young, like.

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Speaker 3: The maths or you would he like me maths.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was mental the way they were doing it.

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Speaker 3: And I wasn't putting it in the register something cheaper,

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Speaker 1: Because I felt pressured to do it.

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Speaker 2: I felt pressured to do it because they were like

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Speaker 3: Like do relate to I used to almost have a

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Speaker 5: Till they wi their ten cents.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you the ten cents.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, he's twenty, buch, just stay care and they're

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Speaker 1: And there actually I.

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Speaker 1: I'm like if someone did that to me now, I'd

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Speaker 1: Just changed the whole equation.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, in my brains six square? How I work

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Speaker 3: Yeah that happened, Like oh, I'm going to have to

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, no I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that happened at the old workplace, and the

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Speaker 1: Stock take would be wrong?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and they I think the police ended up

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Speaker 1: Those two people got fired and I was just an accomplice.

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Speaker 3: Nobody interview me.

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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you lied in an interview once and then

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Speaker 5: All kind of I don't recommend do as I say,

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Speaker 3: But when I was about eighteen, I applied for a

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Speaker 3: Interview went really, really well, and then at the end

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Speaker 5: No one in my family ever had a manual.

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Speaker 3: And she's like great, And so then I had two

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Speaker 1: I had no choice but to learn in a manual.

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Speaker 2: And I thon, it's a flex because not many people

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Speaker 3: And yeah, honestly though, it's almost like the reverse of

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Speaker 5: Is just expected.

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Speaker 3: In the end, they were just asking because they had

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Speaker 3: they were like, instead of taking your own car, you

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Speaker 5: But I also could have just taken my own car,

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Speaker 1: Need to learn. But now you've got that skillful lot.

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Speaker 3: And the cars that I had to drive were rusty,

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Speaker 3: town at the roundabout, so it was a bad idea,

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Speaker 3: very Trauman. I like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now I can drive Manuel.

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Speaker 1: Well, this has been great again.

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Speaker 2: I feel we're going to have to get you both

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Speaker 2: back in the studio a little later in the year

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Speaker 2: because I like that idea, see.

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Speaker 3: What people want to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks for joining me on my bonus episode,

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Speaker 2: and be sure to listen to the main if you

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Speaker 2: haven't already, which would have come out earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: They're coming out back to back, right, Vander, They are great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, DLS, thank you so much.

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