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Speaker 1: Five double a nice with Matthew Pantalas any state awards.

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Speaker 1: These are awarded every year by the Center for Independent Studies,

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Speaker 1: and what they do is they find well the nannying

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Speaker 1: going on in businesses and governments, and there's always worthy nominees.

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Speaker 1: There's never a shortage of nanny state incidents that occur

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Speaker 1: throughout the year. Let's find out well if South Australia

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Speaker 1: is featured as well. From the Center for Independent Studies.

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Speaker 1: Peter Curti is on the line. Peter, good evening to you,

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Speaker 1: senior research fellow.

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Speaker 2: How are you bring me on?

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Speaker 1: Now? You're welcome. Now I understand the awards run the

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Speaker 1: way right now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they are in Sydney. We've just had a presentation

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Speaker 2: at at our Christmas members event and they will all received.

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Speaker 2: The nominees and the winners were well received by our audience.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no one was there from these organizations. They wouldn't

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Speaker 1: show up, would they.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not so much organizations, Matthew, as government, because

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Speaker 2: what we're concerned, I mean, it's all a Christmas fun

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Speaker 2: but there is actually a serious note about government overreach

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Speaker 2: and so that's really what we're looking at. We're highlighting

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Speaker 2: the most over zealous examples of government overreach in the country.

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Speaker 2: So it's state governments, it's the federal governments rather than organizations,

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Speaker 2: private companies or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: All right, South Australia did we be? Were we worthy? Nominees? Here?

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Speaker 1: In essay? The state government?

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Speaker 2: Afraid you were? Afraid you were? I'm afraid you were.

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Speaker 2: We picked up, we picked up the government's decision to

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Speaker 2: have a crackdown on fish shaped soy sauce bottles and

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Speaker 2: a ban on junk food advertising on public transport, and

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Speaker 2: we thought, well that that earns South Australia a nomination

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Speaker 2: in our twenty twenty five awards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, so we've done very well, haven't we very well?

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Speaker 1: The fast food ads? So yeah, I suppose what I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's Hurt Hungry, Jacksaw or Maccas at

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Speaker 1: All or KFC, but no more of these ads on

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Speaker 1: buses or bus stops.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing that why does government have to

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Speaker 2: step in and produce that sort of legislation instead of

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Speaker 2: leading it to the consumer to decide what it is

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Speaker 2: that they want to purchase. And that's the sort of

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Speaker 2: thing that we've been concerned about.

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Speaker 1: Is that the same sort of overreach that this under

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Speaker 1: sixteen media social media ban is essentially? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the same. It's in that ballpark, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. And I think what we are

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Speaker 2: increasingly inclined to do on a serious note is to

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Speaker 2: ask government to fix problems that are best dealt with

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Speaker 2: either in the family or in the local community. And

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Speaker 2: we want them to pass laws. We want to pass them,

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Speaker 2: to pass regulations that government can show that allows government

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Speaker 2: to show that it's doing something about it. But then,

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Speaker 2: of course, how do you enforce such a ban. How

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Speaker 2: do you enforce a social media band? We're already hearing

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Speaker 2: stories about youngsters bypassing the laws and using the ban

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Speaker 2: and using new apps that are appearing all the time.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's this serious note about government overreach

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Speaker 1: Yea, the little fish shaped soy sauce containers, And I

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Speaker 1: noticed now, and I get soshi. It comes in a

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Speaker 1: little what do you call it sachet? I suppose he

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Speaker 1: does tear the end off and it has the same effect, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but does that not send a message about single use plastics?

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Speaker 1: I kind of get where you're coming from and I

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Speaker 1: see the humor in it, But does send a wider message?

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Speaker 1: Does it not?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think regulation is important, and I think that

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Speaker 2: sensible regulation is necessary. And I don't know how these soils.

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Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with these little bottles. I don't know

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Speaker 2: recycled materials. Sensible regulation, sure, there's a place for that

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Speaker 2: in our society. But moral supervision I don't think it

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Speaker 2: really does have a place. And certainly moral supervision my

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Victoria, they tried to follow us in

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Speaker 1: fast food in certain areas. I'm the same, correct, correct.

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Speaker 2: They've banned they wander a strict fast food outlets in

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Speaker 2: it won't be possible for a new outlet to open.

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Speaker 2: You know. Again, you think of those malls that you

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Speaker 2: the customer can make a choice, do I go here?

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Speaker 2: But now the government is deciding they're too many. It's

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Speaker 1: Is called for, right, So they're counting big Macs, they're

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Speaker 1: counting big Max. Unbelievable, that's unreal. Okay, who won the prize?

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Speaker 1: You give the top three, don't you? So who are

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Speaker 1: the winners?

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Speaker 2: Well, I should just say on the food thing that

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Speaker 2: what we noticed this year with all the nominees or

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Speaker 2: the main nominees, that it was all about what we

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Speaker 2: In fact, none of those made it to the top three,

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Speaker 2: and I can tell you really quickly what they were.

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Speaker 2: A third prize went to the Act because they mandated

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Speaker 2: three hours of FaceTime between dog owners and pets, and

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Speaker 2: we thought that was just really comical. Actually, the government

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Speaker 1: How do they police that, you.

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Speaker 2: May well ask? You may well ask, well, we need diaries, directs,

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Speaker 2: may have some ideas.

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Speaker 1: Diaries on hell on you spent with with with brutus

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Speaker 1: or whatever, you may well ask. Unbelieve very good question,

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Speaker 1: Matthew crazy.

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Speaker 2: Second place went to the federal government because we picked

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Speaker 2: up their propos what we're calling their proposed truth tax,

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Speaker 2: which costs you fifty eight dollars a time to get

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Speaker 2: freedom of information requests. So you file a request that's

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Speaker 2: that a truth tax. So the federal government came second place.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid South Australia was actually edged out by the

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Speaker 2: was their machette bin disposal proposal, right, and this was

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Speaker 2: going to cost the people of Victoria a total of

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars to provide bins for the disposal of machetes.

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Speaker 2: And we thought that really was an extremely, extremely good

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Speaker 2: overspend as well. So we gave Victoria the first place

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Speaker 1: Five NANI is well, probably a worthy win of Victoria.

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Speaker 1: It is a nanny state, isn't it. I mean everything

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Speaker 1: they do is nannyish these days.

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Speaker 2: Well, naturally, speaking of New South Wales, I'd be inclined.

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Speaker 1: To agree with you well and from South Australia, and

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Speaker 1: we have a war of words with them, and have

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Speaker 1: the cent a century and a half or two. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the machete law. That's see, we're trying to rival them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard yet, but we're having

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Speaker 1: disposable bins for oyster shells now. So you have an

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Speaker 1: oyster where the idea is you drop it in a

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Speaker 1: bin and it's used for an artificial reef to tackle

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Speaker 1: the algall bloom that we've got off our shore.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. You know. What I might do

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Speaker 2: is is take that as an early nominated feel free.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look goes to a good cause.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you know. And as I said at the outset,

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Speaker 2: there's a sensible is a serious note behind this, because

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Speaker 2: what we're concerned about is sensible regulation, sure, but not

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Speaker 2: moral supervision.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 2: When we argue that, you know, freedom, it's easy to

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Speaker 2: lose our freedoms than to regain them. And we want

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Speaker 2: to be really sure that when government takes a freedom

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Speaker 2: away from us, it's for a very good reason and

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Speaker 2: not just because we can't look after.

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Speaker 1: Ourselves exactly exactly, all right, Peter, I'll let you get

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Speaker 1: back to your festivities over there. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time tonight. The nan eat State awards around

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Speaker 1: and no doubt people can can catch up with that

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Speaker 1: in the press tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Mathew, all the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Peter Curdie, Senior Research Fellow, Center for Independent

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Speaker 1: Studies on the Nanny State Awards