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Speaker 2: Mark. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you for ages. And when you used

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Speaker 1: What do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it has You don't.

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Speaker 1: Think it has no because I just look at what's

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Speaker 2: Oh well, there are still a few characters around it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it hasn't got the same sort of people. It

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Speaker 1: That's the issue. Why aren't people like you being attracted

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the very point. That type of character, someone

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Speaker 1: Well, I got my own, too afraid to say anything

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Speaker 1: But did he offer you the job because of your voice?

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Speaker 1: But the audience does that just means you don't have

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Speaker 2: It'd never be very good on radio. You talk too quickly.

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Speaker 2: Help my stuff control mark.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm no different, am I.

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Speaker 1: It's because I'm trying to work out it's not part

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Speaker 1: You're never trying to be the John Laws that everybody

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Speaker 1: Well, when you first started back in Benigar.

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Speaker 1: something that you that you do? Is that something that

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Speaker 2: I suppose it is. I don't know the things that

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Speaker 1: Because what I see in you now right now is

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Speaker 1: what I feel like you're doing.

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Speaker 2: And well, I know what you want from the interview.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it is?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you later. If you get it, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you later, Okay, But I know what you want. I mean, well,

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Speaker 2: i'll tell you now. You obviously want an interesting interview.

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Speaker 2: You obviously want you to come out the end of

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, it's funny, that's sort of true because I'm

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Speaker 1: I think that John Laws is one of the radio

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Speaker 1: one of radio's legends in Australia. That's that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: Well, you tell me what you what you want to know.

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Speaker 1: So where You're a Sydney boy.

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Speaker 2: No, I was born in New Guinea, but I was

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Speaker 1: You're born in New Guinea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow?

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Speaker 2: My father had trade stores up until the war came.

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Speaker 1: In New Guinea. Yeah wow. That hadn't been a pretty

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Speaker 2: A lot? Yeah, oh yeah, a lot. Because I had

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Speaker 1: Was he in New Guinea? Was heap New Guinea?

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Speaker 1: As in as in colored papy New Guinea? In person?

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Speaker 2: Like William port Moresby, No, I was in wow in

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Speaker 1: So what's it? Okay? You said your dad had a

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Speaker 1: Because I'm starting to think of something like Paba, New

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Speaker 2: That he brought him clothes, general goods. It wasn't. It

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Speaker 2: it was the company was called Greenwood and Laws. I

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Speaker 1: It's pretty adventurous for an Australian. Oh yeah, you bed

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Speaker 1: don't know much about it. I know nothing about you that.

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Speaker 1: But did he ever tell you why he went to

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Speaker 2: I never asked him why he went to New Guinea,

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Speaker 1: That's a massive adventure. I mean, I wouldn't even I

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Speaker 1: I'd been generally concerned about it going, opening up anything

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It is. I mean, unless it's got more wild now

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Speaker 2: Always had good friends with the natives. As I say this,

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Speaker 2: And he really looked after me. I mean nobody could

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Speaker 2: And he used to carve wood things for me. He

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Speaker 1: Of my life, and then your dad. Mom and dad

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Speaker 3: Anyway, why did they come to Australia? What was what

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Speaker 2: That was the name when we came to Australia and

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Bay Elizabeth Bay right, And so where'd you go

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Speaker 2: I didn't for a while, and then I went to

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Speaker 2: No, because we were staying at ParaMed Artie. It's all

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Speaker 1: So you when you grew growing up though, were you

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Speaker 2: My father wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He certainly wasn't a labor supporter, although I remember he

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Speaker 2: had great respect and admiration for Ben Shiffley. He often

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Speaker 2: I'd never asked him or he voted for was At

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Speaker 1: Nor did I by the way, but it was discussed

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Speaker 1: When you finish school, we were a good student Knox

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Speaker 2: No, hopeless.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? He didn't care or you didn't

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Speaker 2: I thought the best thing about schooling was it taught

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Speaker 1: Because John Law is a good boy. No, you're a

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Speaker 1: naughty boy. Yeah, what does that mean? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: what we're doing? Wagon school? What have you called those days?

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Speaker 2: You used to wag school? Used to go and hide

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Speaker 1: All day, all day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hated school.

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Speaker 1: I have a cigarette smoke. No, not that bad.

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Speaker 2: No, Well I would have been caught because my mother smoked,

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Speaker 2: and she would have smelled a cigarette on me. No.

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Speaker 2: I was just rebellious and I've not changed.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good But that's an Australian thing, I think.

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Speaker 1: To me, the fabric of Australia. Australians we are, but

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Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of us stone bothered to think that's true.

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Speaker 1: And then we speak without thinking whatever is whatever comes

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Speaker 1: up Trump style, you know, just just comes out here

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Speaker 1: and then I don't mind that, though, what do you

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about it?

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. I like the people

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Speaker 2: Or I like him too, I'd like Trump off and on.

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Speaker 2: You know, one day I like him, next day I

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Speaker 2: think he's a fack. But he's a pretty successful quit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. He's he has this like it's pretty amazing

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Speaker 1: what he's done, like given that he was never a politician.

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Speaker 1: And he becomes a president and then they like then

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Speaker 1: he gets charged with a million charges when he's not

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Speaker 1: the president, but he still gets back and this time

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Speaker 1: he gets back in much stronger.

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Speaker 2: He's got to be admired. He's got to be admired.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry about what's I mean? I guess it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter to us what happens in the US

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Speaker 1: to some extent, But do you worry about where everybody's

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Speaker 1: going to vote for someone like Trump to put him

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Speaker 2: No, I don't worry about it because it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a long time before it affects Australia. And I

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Speaker 2: think Australia is a very strong, little strong country. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think we'll accept anything that we don't choose

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Speaker 2: whims of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: I read some of that. You have interviewed seventeen prime ministers.

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Speaker 1: I get excited when interview too. You've interviewed seventeen prime

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Speaker 2: More than seventeen, No, seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And of which twice was Kevin Rudd. In those seventeen

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Speaker 1: prime ministers. Is there any any standouts that.

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Speaker 2: You rut here? Oh? Yeah, Paul Keating as a standout,

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Speaker 2: Alarican Alaricon as a great brain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have plenty going on up there, and the.

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Speaker 2: Great brain Malcolm Fraser. I admired greatly and spent a

443
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Speaker 2: lot of time with Malcolm Fraser most of them. I've

444
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Speaker 2: got on very well with GoF Whitlam. I had a

445
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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve with got Whitlam in Paris in his

446
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Speaker 2: propellatial Paris home. He and my wife at that time

447
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: and Margaret and Goffell had New Year's Eve together, which

448
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: was great. Yes, I've known a lot of prime ministers

449
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Speaker 2: and I've been very close to quite a few prime ministers.

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Speaker 1: If we look at Paul Keating because he went to

451
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Speaker 1: my school, actually he was a fuse ahead of me,

452
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Speaker 1: but he was the as I recall it, the I

453
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Speaker 1: don't know what it was, the head of the student

454
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Speaker 1: representative council. Even in those days. He was sort of

455
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Speaker 1: very much aware of unionism and sort of you know

456
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: what should be done in relation to making things better

457
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Speaker 1: at the university at the school. But Paul was always

458
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Speaker 1: really smart at school, Like it was well known that

459
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Speaker 1: Paul Kenny was one of the smart kids at school

460
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Speaker 1: in terms of his policy in Australia, he was big

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Speaker 1: between eighty seven and nineteen eighty seven and to their

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven and nineteen ninety six. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that Paul was too on us for his own good.

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Speaker 1: And why say that? Why say that is because I

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Speaker 1: remember two things that he said that were turned against him.

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Speaker 1: The first was, this is the recession we had to have. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and on your said that, on my share he said.

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Speaker 1: And he also said, it'll show this something about the

469
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Speaker 1: Banana Republic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that.

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Speaker 1: On and but over time they were used against him

472
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Speaker 1: the media and then turned those around. And I think anyway,

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Speaker 1: and I think one of the reasons he lost the

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Speaker 1: election as prime minister when he was Prime minister was

475
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Speaker 1: largely because of his intellectual honesty and no regard for

476
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Speaker 1: what the fallout might be by being intellectually honest, because

477
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Speaker 1: he had a huge intellect. Still that I was obviously,

478
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Speaker 1: whereas today you never hear prime ministers doing saying anything

479
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Speaker 1: that's even slightly dangerous, not even slightly dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, John Howard certainly wasn't a worse was

481
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Speaker 2: he He said what he wanted to say and said

482
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Speaker 2: it pretty well. I admire and still do it my

483
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Speaker 2: John Howard, and I admired and do admire Paul Keating.

484
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Speaker 2: Paul Keating had a brain like a steel trap. You know,

485
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Speaker 2: he was onto everything. He was very highly early intelligent

486
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Speaker 2: still is. I presume I don't see him much these days.

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Speaker 1: I had lunch with him three or four years ago,

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Speaker 1: and he's and we had it in a place in Bondi,

489
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Speaker 1: and it's quite amazing. He pulled out a photo copy

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Speaker 1: of a newspaper Financial Review front page with a note

491
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Speaker 1: on it written in his writing, and he showed it

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Speaker 1: to me. I don't know how he kept it. It

493
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Speaker 1: was from nineteen ninety six or ninety ninety five or

494
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Speaker 1: something like that. The paper was back, and it was

495
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Speaker 1: twenty years before I'd seen him, but he was able

496
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: to find this because we're gonna have lunch and on

497
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Speaker 1: it was a reference to his economic policy about deregulation,

498
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Speaker 1: and sort of the point he was trying to make

499
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Speaker 1: was one of the reasons my business was very successful

500
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: lending money to people to buy houses, was because of

501
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: his change in economic policy. And it's true what he

502
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Speaker 1: said was true. But my point is he's so smart

503
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: and so intellectually organized that he knew how to put

504
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Speaker 1: his hand on this photocopy of this front page of

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Speaker 1: the Financial View quoting him back in nineteen ninety six.

506
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Speaker 1: That's scary smart yeah, and I don't think most people

507
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Speaker 1: give him the credit for being as smart or as

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Speaker 1: intellectually voluminous as he was. And I don't think we

509
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Speaker 1: have anybody in the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: Don't underrest abate John Howard.

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Speaker 1: No, I can't remember how far back John goes now,

512
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Speaker 1: but definitely John Howard is up there, definitely, and Peter

513
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Speaker 1: Costello in terms of his portfolio too. Definitely, but they're

514
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Speaker 1: more too. Yeah, there were two thousand and between two

515
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Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand and five, I think, yeah, maybe

516
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Speaker 1: they're definitely. Last twenty years Howard's been around, but past that,

517
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Speaker 1: I don't know if we've really had anybody who had

518
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Speaker 1: that sort of I don't think we have either bandwidth,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: We have either we've had. Yeah, I'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: of somebody. Rud No, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Morrison, No, Alban No, Alban easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting character, Albertisi, very very nice man.

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Speaker 1: Everyone seeds to love him as a bloke. Everyone, I

525
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: don't really know. Everyone tells me that he is a

526
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Speaker 1: good person, a good bloke. I wonder whether or not

527
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Speaker 1: he's got a massive machine behind him, though, which is

528
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: trying to please everybody because I mean, the Labor Party

529
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: is a pretty tough environment to be in, especially with

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Speaker 1: the unions.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he's pretty safe sort of fellow Albanize,

532
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Speaker 2: you know, I think that he's a you can count

533
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Speaker 2: on him. I don't think he vacillates a great deal,

534
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: whereas a lot of politicians do by necessity because they

535
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Speaker 2: go with the crowd.

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Speaker 1: That's very interesting because because I wonder whether or not

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Speaker 1: politics has become about popularist what's popular? You know, what

538
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Speaker 1: is popular? And are are we just voting for what's

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00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: popular today? Because the average voter doesn't really I don't know,

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00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: we don't the average voter, not not older people like me,

541
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Speaker 1: but the average voter, the younger voter. They just go

542
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: with what's in it for me sort of thing. Do

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Speaker 1: you I mean, you're been observer of people for a

544
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Speaker 1: long long time, and what do you think about the

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Speaker 1: average voter today and politics generally?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of a lot of

547
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Speaker 2: the average voters today couldn't give a fuck, you know,

548
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Speaker 2: I think that they very layers are fair about voting.

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00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: It's something that is an accepted way of life. It's

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Speaker 2: something that that you've got to do, and you do it,

551
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Speaker 2: and I don't know how that they spent a lot

552
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Speaker 2: of time thinking about.

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Speaker 1: It, and they've got to do it because it's compulsory. Sorry,

554
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: they've got to do it because it's compulsory.

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00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll get a fine if they don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it wasn't compulsory to be very easy interesting

558
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Speaker 2: to see to see the outcome.

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Speaker 1: That would be interesting, Like the US, you know, be

560
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Speaker 1: interesting to see who actually went and really wanted to

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Speaker 1: vote because they passionately you believe in that person or

562
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: that person or that party, in that part or this party.

563
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Speaker 1: It would be extremely interesting to see that that outcome

564
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Speaker 1: in Australia. And that's where you know, that's why Trump's

565
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: so amazing. Like I don't know if Trump's a genius

566
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: or the world's best marketer or I don't know. I

567
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: can't get ahead around the guy.

568
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I think I think he's a latent genius.

569
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Speaker 2: I think underneath all that there's a there's a highly

570
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Speaker 2: intelligent and very cunning man. I think that he's very

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Speaker 2: cunning in what he does and the way he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so he's genius is in his way of

573
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Speaker 1: working everybody out working out what the audience wants or

574
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Speaker 1: the voters want, and then playing into that well reading

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Speaker 1: the room.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what clever communicators do.

577
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Reading the room is probably one of the

578
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Speaker 1: most important things that a radio presenter has to have,

579
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Speaker 1: I mean a radio yeah, radio host has to have.

580
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: You you need to read your audience. How did you

581
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: do that before day? Like today you can get you know,

582
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Ann and our analysts come in and say, well, you

583
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Speaker 1: got fifty two percent female, their age between nineteen and

584
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Speaker 1: thirty nine. They're all single mothers or something like that.

585
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Today you can get that sort of that data. But

586
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: when you were first doing radio, or when you first

587
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: got into your rhythm of radio we became more popular,

588
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: how did you know what your audience wanted or did

589
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: you not care? You just gave them what you thought

590
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Speaker 1: they should have. I'd ask them really like surveys.

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00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, I listened closely to what they wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about, as in feedback, talkback, yeah, talkback yeah yeah.

593
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Speaker 1: And would you attribute any of your success, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: which was immense? Would you attribute any of your success

595
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Speaker 1: to other people in your organization who might have assisted you,

596
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Speaker 1: like did you have some was it one person or

597
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Speaker 1: people who sat with John Laws and like as a producer,

598
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Speaker 1: or someone who took copious notes.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people you saying around and

600
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Speaker 2: make suggestions, most of them useless. No, I really just

601
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Speaker 2: did it the way I wanted to do it, because

602
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm not terribly ciivil. I'm not the smartest man on

603
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Speaker 2: the block. So I had to I had to absorb

604
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Speaker 2: what the people who were listening wanted, and then I'd

605
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Speaker 2: order it to my way of seeking and give it

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Speaker 2: to them.

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Speaker 1: And just send it back out. And then in terms

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Speaker 1: of your guess, there's a different eraror. But in terms

609
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Speaker 1: of guess, were you someone who was always prepared to

610
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Speaker 1: go and hang out with the guests or entertain the guests,

611
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: or or do guests come to you because you had

612
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: such a following and they needed your station to talk

613
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: about whatever it is that they're trying to promote.

614
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: I just did what I wanted to do. I didn't

615
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: I didn't take instruction from anybody apropos what went on

616
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Speaker 2: on the program. I mean, there have been a couple

617
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: of attempts to rein me in and support somebody that

618
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: I didn't want to support, and I told them to

619
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Speaker 2: get nicked and did it my way, and I've been

620
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: very lucky because it worked.

621
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Speaker 1: So have you had any I mean obviously you have,

622
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Speaker 1: But who would be some of the let's call it

623
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Speaker 1: famous guests that you had, like big names sorry, who

624
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: are some of the big names of guests that you

625
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: had in your in your your period and.

626
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Speaker 2: Your time as radio What people have interviewed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh,

627
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: Betty Davis. Wow, Charlton Heston, one of my favorites, call

628
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: me Chuck. He was good. Charlton Heston. Robin Williams, Wow,

629
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Speaker 2: I had Robin Williams said he only had five minutes.

630
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: He was there for three hours.

631
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Speaker 1: Wow.

632
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: God, he was funny. He was so funny. I mean

633
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: he and I just sat there and laughed and laughed

634
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: and laughed. I have no idea what it sounded like

635
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: coming out of your radio, but we had a terrific

636
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: time together. I loved him and still do. Highly highly

637
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: intelligent mind like a steel trap. And of course there

638
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: have been others, like plenty of others who I mentioned before,

639
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Speaker 2: Betty Davis.

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Speaker 1: So can you use it? I mean most people wouldn't.

641
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't a lot of younger people listen to this show.

642
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Don't know who Betty Davis is, and they might might

643
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: have heard of her, but she was like an obviously

644
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: famous movie star. What was the characteristics? What were characteristics?

645
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: What was she like? Was she easy to talk to

646
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: or difficult to talk to?

647
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: Betty Davis? Yeah, well, anybody's easy to talk to if

648
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: you ask the right questions.

649
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: What about the way she looked? What about her? There's

650
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: a song Betty Davis's eyes. I mean, did you look

651
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: into her eyes?

652
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean, she was just she was terrific to talk

653
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: to because she was sharp as attack and she'd give

654
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: as good as she got. And I remember, I don't

655
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: know if you saw a movie called Now Voyager.

656
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: No I didn't.

657
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: Black and white movies should see it. She's in it

658
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: with Paul Henried and a couple of other good ones,

659
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: and there's a line in it where he wants to

660
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: go further than she wants to go with the relationship,

661
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: and she says to him, mister whatever his name was,

662
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 2: we have the sun. Let's not ask for the moon,

663
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: which was in the ways you delivered the line fabulous.

664
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: They're wonderful to watch, good actors.

665
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: How was it your memory is so good?

666
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I remember a lot. There's a

667
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: lot to remember, though, there's a hell of a lot

668
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: to remember. There's a lot that I don't especially want

669
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: to remember. But if you're stuck with it, you're stuck

670
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: with it.

671
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: He is a nightmare that can be annoy me. But

672
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: because when I was listening to you with the two Murray's,

673
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: you're remembering the names of people who you just came

674
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: across in places like Bendigo, or some guy when you

675
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: were somewhat when are your parents your parents sent you

676
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: out to becoming Jack Arru and you remember the name

677
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: of some guy that was the person to look after

678
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: you at that at the farm or at the rural property.

679
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: They're like a random periods of time in your life.

680
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Like we're going back seventy odd years. Did you always

681
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: have a do you always know? You how a bloody

682
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: great memory? Like or this is something you just accepted

683
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: about yourself because I have to remember twenty years ago.

684
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm not as I said to you, I think I

685
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: said to you before. I'm not much into self analysis.

686
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think about myself too much, and

687
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: I don't analyze what I say or what I think

688
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: very much. Because if I did, I probably wouldn't say

689
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: a lot of the things I said.

690
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: That's that's probably not a bad way of putting it.

691
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: And I guess if you and is that because you

692
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: don't care though you don't give.

693
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: A shit, No, no, nothing, nothing really bothers me.

694
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: Because because I mean, maybe you've got the formula for

695
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: a good life. I mean, that's what I'm trying to

696
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: get here. I know you like a lunch, and you

697
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: like a glass of wine or whatever, and you like

698
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: good company around you. But maybe because I mean, I've

699
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: been doing this thing about this project. Okay, I've been

700
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: working on this project. Okay, how do I lift to

701
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: one hundred? How could I lift one hundred? I'm trying

702
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to work out if I can, like trying to. I

703
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: want to live longer than my dad. My dad died

704
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: when he was ninety, and I thought, well, I'd like

705
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: to add another ten years and just see if I can.

706
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: And all of it tells me, don't need the wrong food,

707
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: exercise all the time, sleep really well, don't drink booze.

708
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: Then I look at someone like you. You unfortunately can't exercise

709
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: much of the moment, but you love a lunch, You

710
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: don't want to drink. Nothing seems to bother you. And

711
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: here you are with a memory like like nothing. Your

712
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: memory is fantastic. I wonder whether or not you've got

713
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the answer to what I've been trying to find out.

714
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean, is it?

715
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: Do you? I do have the answer?

716
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: What is it? It's private, that's private. You're not going

717
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: to share it, but you do it. You are doing

718
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: something that is the way you have lived your life

719
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: is like an envy of a lot of people. You're

720
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: not really worried about what you say and do. You're

721
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: not overthinking things, You're not self analyzing yourself, which is

722
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: what everybody else seems to do, especially these days of

723
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: social media. And I wonder whether or not those things

724
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: are actually impacting our lives negatively, and we should be

725
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: just saying it doesn't matter, Just get on with your life.

726
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: Live the lawsy life, double l.

727
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: I've never I've never sort of differentiated between my private

728
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: life and my working life. It's all sort of run

729
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: into each other, my working life and my private life.

730
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: There's never been a great separation.

731
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: As you were coming up the stairs here to come

732
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: into the studio as a gentleman out the front, there

733
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: who I see. They're having coffee there all the time.

734
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: And he says somebody about a restaurant that he's used

735
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: to see you at. You're somewhat famous for going to restaurants.

736
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: You're somewhat famous for going to restaurants. I heard you

737
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: talking on another radio interview about Bond RECORDO. He was

738
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: talking about some restaurant down at the finger Wolf, which

739
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: is I think that's one of the rests I used

740
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: to see you at. Have you always lived this sort

741
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: of life like in terms of finding the best restaurants

742
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: and hopefully good company to go with it. Has that

743
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: has mean something? Is that a thing for you? Do

744
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: they find really good food, really high quality food.

745
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: I'm not a foodie, no, but I care about the atmosphere.

746
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: I like to go to restaurants because I'd like to

747
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: see what the other people are doing. I like to

748
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: watch other people. I'm an observer.

749
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would for people who don't know Bond recorders.

750
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Old school, old old school restaurant like Italian Restaurant in

751
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Paddington had a very famous reputation, terrific restaurant. I haven't

752
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: been are for years, but it is still the same

753
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: as good as it has been. It's only very small

754
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, it's a small smallest restaurant, but it's very

755
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: good still.

756
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you bitch, it's one of my favorites. I'd

757
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: probably go once for fortnite or something. Yeah, at least

758
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: once a fortnite.

759
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: And would you would you go to restaurant? Would you

760
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: eat out four or five nights a week? No? What?

761
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Would you eat it out four or five nights a week?

762
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: No?

763
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: So you ate?

764
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: Will you go home and tonight and have a jeez?

765
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Tasting beans on toasted?

766
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

767
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: I quite like baked beans on toast? I do too good. Well,

768
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: we've got good taste. Yeah, okay, so let's open the

769
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: baked beans on toast restaurant.

770
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how well I goo. I think the

771
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: restaurant thing is probably not my gap. I'm not sure

772
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: whether you make any money out of it.

773
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: It could cost us a lot in the end, but

774
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: everything doesn't depend on whether you're going to make money

775
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: out of it or not.

776
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I like to show I

777
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: don't make any money of this show. I mean not

778
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: just because I enjoy talking to people with this not

779
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: a money making venture.

780
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: You mean you're not getting paid for interviewing me.

781
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: No, not at all. I'm the show.

782
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: I think you should. You should be given danger money

783
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: for interviewing me. And you don't know that I'm not

784
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 2: going to say fuck.

785
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Well, I say fuck all the time. It's okay on

786
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: the radio, on this show all the time. Well you've

787
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: got to stop it because you know, but John, it's

788
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: my show. I can say what the fuck I like.

789
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I do, don't care if people don't like it.

790
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: They you know what I say, don't listen to me.

791
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: They don't have to listen to this podcast if they

792
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: don't like Misswearing. I mean, I don't mind I say.

793
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: That to people do. But the poor devils can't help themselves.

794
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: They have to tune in.

795
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: They have to listen to you.

796
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: Ye see what the see what this barstard is doing today.

797
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't got any reach anywhere near those heights

798
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: in my podcast world. And I've only been doing this

799
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: for now eight years, so it's probably gonna have to

800
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: do it for another forty years before I can get

801
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: to that stage where people can't not listen to me.

802
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: I look forward to getting to that sort of days,

803
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: those sort of days, John can as just on a

804
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: more personal basis, private basis, can ask you about your family.

805
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm very close to my family, even though the

806
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: tyranny of distance exists. I mean some are in the country. Uh,

807
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: some are in another state. But I have pretty good

808
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: relations with with with my family, don't I. I'm asking

809
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: Jodie because she knows everything I do.

810
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: And you know, when you want to come over here?

811
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: She said, no, thanks, But you're you're obviously your grandkids. Yeah,

812
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: you've got great grandkids yet not yet. One's on the way,

813
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: on the way, yeah, on the way. And do they

814
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: come around and visit Grandpa? Like is that a thing

815
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: for you and your life? Like?

816
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: Do you know because they're in the country, most of

817
00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: them in the book?

818
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, okay in the book yeah yeah, yeah.

819
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't get to see them all

820
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: that often. But when I do, we have a good time.

821
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what do they call you out of interest?

822
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: Oh? They called me no, no.

823
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: No, I assume there's some Italian connection there Isn't that

824
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: the Italian word for.

825
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Italian.

826
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: You're not going to tell me your name for grandpa? Yeah?

827
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: But why they call you nono? Why would you get Italian? Nono,

828
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: where's the Italian?

829
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: My eldest stepdaughter went to Italy, won a scholarship to

830
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: an art school in Italy. She was a very very clever,

831
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: too clever, too clever, and she started to use Italian

832
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: language and she called me noo even though I was

833
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: her stepfather or whatever it was. So it sort of stuck.

834
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: The kids like no, no, and I don't mind it.

835
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: I like it better than granddad.

836
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: It sounds better totally. Can I tell you a story

837
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: when my grandson was born, my first grandson. I have

838
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: a little private WhatsApp group like a that I talked

839
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: to my four sons and we all talk on this

840
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: WhatsApp group and I said, they said, hey, Dad. They

841
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: said to me, my son's what do you want the

842
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: grandkid to call you? And I don't want to be

843
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: called grandpa, you know, And I said, just call me Mark.

844
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: He's called me Mark. That'll do. And my oldest son,

845
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: who's a pretty cheeky fella, he's forty four, he said, Dad,

846
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: when we were young, every time we asked you something

847
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: for something, you would always say the Greek word for no,

848
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: orki orky. It just means no, he said, so why

849
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: don't we get the grandson to call you ORKI? And

850
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: I said, oh, that's okay, that's pretty cool, and then

851
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: we stopped talking. And then another time we come up

852
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: and they were laughing at it, and they actually said, Dad,

853
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: Orkie doesn't stand for no, it stands for old cranky.

854
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: See you went t which is? And I said, I mean,

855
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't my grandson called me, oh cranky gunt. I

856
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: don't want that, and how it calls me pop. But

857
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: that's how my kids responded to me when I asked them,

858
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: what would you like my grandson's named George? What would

859
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: you like George to call you? And that's what they

860
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: come up with, orkie? Oh double see why?

861
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like nano.

862
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think no no is much better. I'd take

863
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: nine o two. That's why I was That's why I

864
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: was interested to find out what your family wanted their

865
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: kids to call you, you know, like whether or not

866
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: they reflect on their on their grandfather in a character sense,

867
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: like what's what's your character to them?

868
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Here? I don't know that they call me much? Ay you?

869
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: I think?

870
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: And John? And speaking of John, do you is what

871
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: what do you have any interaction with social media? What

872
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: do you think of it? For you? What do you

873
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: why not?

874
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're lonely, if you're bored, and

875
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: if you're stupid. I suppose it's handy to find somebody

876
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: who's equally lonely and bored and stupid have a year

877
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: under them. But I don't understand it really.

878
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: And so what do you do in your you know,

879
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: when you wake up in the morning, I mean, or

880
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: go to bed at night? I mean, what do you

881
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: what do you do to entertain yourself? Do you watch television?

882
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: Do you watch movies?

883
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: Do you watch television a bit? I'd like to watch

884
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: old movies. I read a lot. I read a hell

885
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: of a lot.

886
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Do you read like you mean, like as in documentaries

887
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: or fiction?

888
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: I quite like fiction, but I like real life stories better.

889
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like a documented story about somebody like yourself.

890
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: I was to ask you, have you is there some

891
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: powet or singer that you've read stories about that that

892
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: you really like reading about? Like, for example, I don't

893
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: know someone late Leonard Cohen for arguments sake. I mean,

894
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: is the somebody that you've always admired in let's say,

895
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: the entertainment game. Apart from people like Betty Davis, but

896
00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: like like say some singer or musician that you've read about.

897
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I could think of a lot. I could

898
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 2: think of a lot of musicians and singers that I admire.

899
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Tony Bennett is number one for me. Beautiful voice here,

900
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: fabulous singer and a good bloke. Are you new him?

901
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: Good bloke? And what a voice? What a singer? That

902
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 2: ability he had to phrase a song.

903
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: In terms of timing, Oh, he.

904
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Had a hold back on a word and then catch up. Terrific?

905
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: Did you that's interesting that you actually break this his

906
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: skill down like that. Is that something that that you

907
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: do with when you're sort of listening to a song

908
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: where you're listening to some music, Is that something you

909
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: do you actually try to listen to the phrasing?

910
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well idea, have I listened to it all?

911
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: You know? I have? I listened to it in its entirety?

912
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

913
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: But what does that mean entirety? There? Because most people

914
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: listen to most younger people listen to music, they're just listening.

915
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: They're just it's like a transaction. It's done, it's over.

916
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: Listen to the next song's done, it's over. You sound

917
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: like you sort of really sort of sink your mind

918
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: into the song and have a good heart listen at it.

919
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: Ah. I just I just love music. I don't mind

920
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: too much what sort of music, except I'm not into

921
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: bark hues. But I do like I do like music.

922
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: I'd like country music, I'd like modern music. I like

923
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Mama Cass the way she sings, I'd like her. She's

924
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: she was a good old bird, Mama Cass. Did you

925
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: meet her here? I met them all one way or another.

926
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: You mean one way or the other, either radio or

927
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: just socially, both both. Well, and your life's been pretty blessed,

928
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: pretty amazing then in some respects having the opportunity to

929
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: meet all these because that's what radio does.

930
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: I mean. Yes, I know, you're quite right. I have

931
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: been very blessed and very fortunate to have met a

932
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: lot of the people that I've that I've met and

933
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: talked to in show business, and I made a lot

934
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: of friends. You know. Neil Diamond is just one of

935
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: the best flakes you'd meet in ten lifetimes. Mama Cass

936
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: I met in the early days. She was great. The

937
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: members of the Kingston Tria, all those those big names

938
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: of the time. Do you remember the Kingston Trier.

939
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't, but I certainly remember Neil diamond because that

940
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: album Hot August Night. My mother used to play that

941
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: on our HMV record player, like nearly twenty four hours

942
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: a day was it was always on What Hot August Night?

943
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: His album album album Neil Diamonds.

944
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: What a great album.

945
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing.

946
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: It's got to be one of the best albums of

947
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: all time.

948
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember it so vividly, and because Muma was

949
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: like a prize, like you know, you know it wasn't.

950
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: He's one of the best blokes to Yeah, good bloke.

951
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: What about Cat Stevens. You haven't been Cat Stevens. Yeah,

952
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I reckon. He's music's beautiful. I love his songs. I

953
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: love his I love his stuff.

954
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: If you want to sing out, sing out, if you

955
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: want to sing out, I can't think of the words.

956
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 2: If you want to be blue, be blue. Yeah.

957
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: There's probably very few people that have come into Australia,

958
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: like over the last fifty years of any sort of

959
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: note that if they're if they're in the show business,

960
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: they probably didn't go through your studio. There's probably very few.

961
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: A lot of people.

962
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's pretty amazing. I mean, I know

963
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: you said you don't analyze your life very much, but

964
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm analyzing your life. And that's I said. You're blessed,

965
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: but you've probably met more more people than most people

966
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: in your lifetime, more people than most people have ever

967
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: even read about. You know, you've seemed to have met

968
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: up with everybody, and like, why John Laws, why do

969
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: they come to see you? Do you ever think how

970
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: am I? How am I this person sitting here getting

971
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: to meet all these interesting people? You ever thought about that?

972
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: I never? As I said to you before, I'm not

973
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: much into self analysis. I don't sort of really care

974
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: too much about anything so long as I don't deliberately

975
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: hurt anybody. I don't want to do that. I don't

976
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: want to deliberately hurt anybody. Of course I've hurt people,

977
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: and I will again, but not deliberately. But apart from that,

978
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: I just wanted to live my life. And if I

979
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: can make people happy, that's good. And if I can

980
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: get people who are thoroughly pissed off and I don't

981
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: want to know anything about me, that's all right too.

982
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: I think that that's not a bad way to leave

983
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: this this conversation and then close off because that's probably

984
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: been John Laws his whole career, says what he thinks

985
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: and he can back it up. You're not afraid to

986
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: say what you think.

987
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: No, be true to yourself. That's the secret. Make sure

988
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: that what you say is what you really believe, and

989
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: if it's something that's very controversial, make sure you can

990
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 2: back it up with facts.

991
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: You just don't say for the sake of it. You mean, yeah,

992
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: you're saying make sure that you can back it up. Yeah, yeah,

993
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you don't like to reflect on

994
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: what you have done, but if you would say one sentence,

995
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: if you could put into one sentence why you've been

996
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: so successful. Do you think that's possible as a radio host,

997
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

998
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, honesty, honesty, even if it gets you into travel

999
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: and it does to thine own self. Be true. That's

1000
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: the secret. I can bullshit to you and you will

1001
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: or won't accept it, but I know within myself whether

1002
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm telling the truth or whether I'm faking.

1003
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: It, bullshitting yourself. Yeah. Thanks from host John for a

1004
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: brilliant for a brilliant Koreer, and thanks very much for

1005
00:56:50,400 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: having you've done