1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,600 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm suan Alma. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,240 Sean Aylmer: While the votes in many seats are still being countered, 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,000 Sean Aylmer: the result, at least for the Liberal Party couldn't be 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,560 Sean Aylmer: more clear. The party is in serious trouble. Labor went 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Sean Aylmer: from behind in the polls for chance of securing minority 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Sean Aylmer: government to winning majority so significant that Anthony Alberanezi could 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,080 Sean Aylmer: well be Prime Minister for at least another six years. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,040 Sean Aylmer: So how does the Liberal Party regroup when they've lost 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,120 Sean Aylmer: so many seats, including their leader? And how does the 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,680 Sean Aylmer: Labor Party make the most of a huge mandate from 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Sean Aylmer: Australian voters. Charles Crutcher is the Chief Political editor for 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,239 Sean Aylmer: nine years. Charles, Welcome to Fear and Greeting. Congratulations on 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,279 Sean Aylmer: the campaign and Saturday and Night in particular. 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Charles Croucher: Thanks so much, Sewan. It's nice to be through all. 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Sean Aylmer: My what's it like? What's that campaign like? It must 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Sean Aylmer: just be relentless, it. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Charles Croucher: Is, it's such a like. It's so far removed from 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Charles Croucher: what any normal Dagan, any normal job is like. So 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Charles Croucher: you are largely in the hand of the parties when 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,240 Charles Croucher: you're on the road, and in those circumstances you are 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,560 Charles Croucher: entirely in their hands because they are they know where 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Charles Croucher: they're going, they know where the planes are going, the 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,600 Charles Croucher: buses are going, and the reporters often don't. That's originally 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Charles Croucher: designed so that there's no protesters show up, or that 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Charles Croucher: information doesn't leak out to those who want to disrupt. 26 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,400 Charles Croucher: But I think they just like being in charge, so 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,880 Charles Croucher: you kind of have to just lay back like it's 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,600 Charles Croucher: a water slide, and except igure it's in charge of 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,479 Charles Croucher: where you're going, and I hope you merge the other. 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,800 Sean Aylmer: End fair enough. An election campaign that's a lot water slide. 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Sean Aylmer: I do like that the Libs let's start with him 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,240 Sean Aylmer: where they go wrong. 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,199 Charles Croucher: There's a lot that the campaign wasn't good. The coordination, 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Charles Croucher: the disparity between what was happening on the road and 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Charles Croucher: what was happening out of headquarters was there. I think 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Charles Croucher: the probably underdiscussed element of the campaign is just how 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Charles Croucher: controlling and how in charge Scott Morrison was in the 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,600 Charles Croucher: last campaign, at last two campaigns. You know, he was 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Charles Croucher: a former state director and someone who liked to be 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Charles Croucher: in charge of what was happening where he was going 41 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Charles Croucher: would have been heavily involved. So I think whilst it 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,959 Charles Croucher: was an experienced a campaign team. Once you remove Scott 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Charles Croucher: Morrison from that team, there was a bit of a 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Charles Croucher: vacuum there. Look, Donald Trump certainly didn't help with his 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,959 Charles Croucher: tariffs and also the antics around President Zelanski and the 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Charles Croucher: lead up to the election campaign that made things bad. 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Charles Croucher: And then I also think they lost the debate over 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,760 Charles Croucher: nuclear and so you know, each of those things individually 49 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,000 Charles Croucher: is bad, but when you get bad plus bad plus bad, 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Charles Croucher: it equals very bad for Peter Dutton and that's what 51 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Charles Croucher: we saw as well. 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,160 Sean Aylmer: What about the female vote. Do you think that played 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Sean Aylmer: much of a role? 54 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Charles Croucher: Oh? Huge, It may have been the biggest individual cohort 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,720 Charles Croucher: to turn away from Peter Dutton unless you want to 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,120 Charles Croucher: further divide, which I know is never a nice thing 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Charles Croucher: to do, but further divide the voting cohorts into young females. Certainly, 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,400 Charles Croucher: from what the campaigns say their internals told them was 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Charles Croucher: that that was the biggest drop off. And I don't 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Charles Croucher: see at the moment, at least in the discussions there's 61 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Charles Croucher: any real acknowledgment that that problem needs to be fixed 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,200 Charles Croucher: from the Liberal Party. Jane hum and Brian Locknane did 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Charles Croucher: a review after the last campaign and that was one 64 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,240 Charles Croucher: of the key issues was that women abandoned the coalition 65 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,120 Charles Croucher: in many situations they went to independence or to the teals. 66 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,080 Charles Croucher: You know, it seems that lesson wasn't learned and there's 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Charles Croucher: very little to be learned from the second kick of 68 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,040 Charles Croucher: a mule. And that's what the Liberal Party face right now. 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,040 Charles Croucher: Whether they will learn that lesson, then whether there is 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,680 Charles Croucher: a suitable amount of people that have been elected to 71 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,440 Charles Croucher: actually fill those roles that perhaps they need to see. 72 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Sean Aylmer: So who will lead the Liberal Party? It is very 73 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Sean Aylmer: difficult once you have been absolutely smashed, like the Libs 74 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,800 Sean Aylmer: have federally to kind of have a united party because 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Sean Aylmer: clearly everyone's blaming everyone and that's kind of human nature, 76 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,040 Sean Aylmer: I suppose. But who do you think emerges from this 77 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,400 Sean Aylmer: as a potential leader. 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Charles Croucher: Look, the safest bet at the moment would be Angus Taylor. 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Charles Croucher: In many ways, he has the credentials outside of Parliament 80 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,680 Charles Croucher: to be a Liberal leader, as a Rhodes scholar, someone 81 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,960 Charles Croucher: that's been successful in business, He's from Liberal and national families. 82 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Charles Croucher: But then in the early days of this campaign he 83 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,480 Charles Croucher: was the target of a lot of internal blind siding 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,200 Charles Croucher: and broad siding that was going on. I think there 85 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Charles Croucher: is some that now have publicly said that I think 86 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,279 Charles Croucher: he should have the job. The other two names that 87 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Charles Croucher: any time you mention it to MPs that still have 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Charles Croucher: their seats is Susan Lee, deputy leader would become the 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,159 Charles Croucher: first woman to lead the Liberal Party. Or Dan Tien, 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,640 Charles Croucher: who fought off a big challenge from Alex Dyson and 91 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Charles Croucher: his seat of Wannen, has worked in the trade field 92 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,320 Charles Croucher: outside of Parliament, has come in, was the Trade Minister, 93 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,839 Charles Croucher: has become shadow Immigration Minister, recently fleece the Brits with 94 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Charles Croucher: that Fleet free trade agreement that we got when Liz 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,159 Charles Croucher: Trust was the British Trade Minister, and I think that 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Charles Croucher: would be part of his appeal. But the problem is 97 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,800 Charles Croucher: bigger than that. It's not just a matter of feeling 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Charles Croucher: a leader and a deputy leader, because if you take 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,640 Charles Croucher: any of those people out of their positions, you need 100 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,440 Charles Croucher: to feel that position. And so when you look around 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Charles Croucher: the party room it is shrunk and that next generation 102 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,240 Charles Croucher: of talent, people like David Coleman in Sydney, Michael Sucker 103 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,719 Charles Croucher: out of Melbourne in particular, have lost their jobs, have 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,720 Charles Croucher: lost their seats. Even someone like Zoe Mackenzie, who worked 105 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Charles Croucher: for Andrew rob the Trade Minister for a long time 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Charles Croucher: as his chief of staff, is seen by most as 107 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Charles Croucher: a rising star of the party. She's in the fight 108 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Charles Croucher: of a life in Flinders to hold that seat. If 109 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,719 Charles Croucher: she does, she'ld be part of a leadership team. Tim 110 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,160 Charles Croucher: Wilson this afternoon looks like he's back in the Parliament 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,800 Charles Croucher: having unseated Zoe Daniel in set of Goldstein. I think 112 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,919 Charles Croucher: he'll come straight into some kind of leadership team. Whether 113 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Charles Croucher: or not the next Liberal Prime Minister is among the 114 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Charles Croucher: names we've just mentioned is up to serious debate, because 115 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Charles Croucher: when you throw in someone like Andrew Hasty in Wa 116 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,559 Charles Croucher: who says he doesn't want to be leader, that's probably 117 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,560 Charles Croucher: a wise if he wants to be prime minister. And 118 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,640 Charles Croucher: the other name getting kicked around is Phil Thompson, who's 119 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,840 Charles Croucher: another veteran, quite a young guy from up in Townsville. 120 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Charles Croucher: Had a good result on Saturday night. So it's not 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,160 Charles Croucher: quite a who's who of who's that, But it's a 122 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,280 Charles Croucher: lot of names that will be new to Australians. Now 123 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,520 Charles Croucher: they'll have time to get used to those names and 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Charles Croucher: to see them perform, but they've got an awfully large 125 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:21,840 Charles Croucher: challenge ahead of them. 126 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Sean Aylmer: Say with me, Charles. We'll be back in a minute 127 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,360 Sean Aylmer: to talk about the other side of politics. My guest 128 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Sean Aylmer: this morning is Charles Croucher, chief political editor for nine years. 129 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Sean Aylmer: Such a massive win for Anthony Abernezi, big mandate. What 130 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:42,400 Sean Aylmer: does he do. 131 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Charles Croucher: That's a big challenge, right, there's a big win. But 132 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,920 Charles Croucher: there's been big wins in Australia in the past. I 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Charles Croucher: think at John Howard in two thousand and four, who 134 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,440 Charles Croucher: had both the House and the Senate and was out 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,960 Charles Croucher: of his own seat and certainly out of leadership. Three 136 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,120 Charles Croucher: years later, Campbell Newman had a stonking whin in Queensland 137 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Charles Croucher: and was gone at the next election. These things can 138 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Charles Croucher: have a great power and great possibility, but also high 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,840 Charles Croucher: risk as well. Anthony Albernezi still faces and the country 140 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Charles Croucher: still face those same challenges that were there two weeks ago. 141 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Charles Croucher: Housing is a huge issue, the cost of living remains 142 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,960 Charles Croucher: a struggle. Productivity is the biggest challenge that our economy faces, 143 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Charles Croucher: and without increases there things get worse. There is a 144 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Charles Croucher: large amount of debt and deficits still to come as 145 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Charles Croucher: well that need to be arrested at some point. And 146 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Charles Croucher: that's not to mention the bigger issues of trade potential 147 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,280 Charles Croucher: trade wars between US and China, actual war in the 148 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,800 Charles Croucher: Middle East, actual war in Europe, and great uncertainty around 149 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,800 Charles Croucher: the world. So the thing the government probably has now 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,760 Charles Croucher: is the confidence, the mandate and the certainty to move forward. 151 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Charles Croucher: A lot will depend on whether they can work with 152 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,520 Charles Croucher: the Greens in the Senate, because it looks like that 153 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Charles Croucher: will be enough to get things through the Senate Labor 154 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,440 Charles Croucher: plus the Greens, and if they need an extra vote 155 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Charles Croucher: then David called Jackie Lamby or Tammy Tyrrell or Fatima 156 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Charles Croucher: Payman or Lydia Thorpe. There's plenty of paths to get 157 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,280 Charles Croucher: things through, so Parliament will be easier. It doesn't mean 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Charles Croucher: that the challenge is easier as well. 159 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,000 Sean Aylmer: Do you think they have the appetite and the wherewithal 160 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,800 Sean Aylmer: to actually be a reformist government of the kind of 161 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,239 Sean Aylmer: hawk keeping ilk. 162 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Charles Croucher: Certainly there's the appetite, there is the desire to be 163 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,680 Charles Croucher: that way. Jim Chalmers in particular has spoken about his desire. 164 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,480 Charles Croucher: But I think that goes to probably the biggest challenge. 165 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,319 Charles Croucher: If there is the bravery or the ability to take 166 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Charles Croucher: to the next election the idea of tax reform. You 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Charles Croucher: know we are and we all know, the challenge that 168 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Charles Croucher: we are increasingly relying on income tax at a time 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Charles Croucher: when that's making things harder for those that are voters. 170 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,480 Charles Croucher: Is their energy reform that can come. It seems the 171 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,480 Charles Croucher: nuclear question has been put to bed, and you know, 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,160 Charles Croucher: we had reporting last night on the program of the 173 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Charles Croucher: first sitting Liberal senator to say they put it in 174 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,720 Charles Croucher: the bin, that policy's done. So now that we have 175 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Charles Croucher: the certainty or at least the endorsement of the Australian people, 176 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,920 Charles Croucher: can Chris Bowen or whoever becomes Energy Minister I assume 177 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Charles Croucher: it's going to be Chris Bowen, Can they get out 178 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,200 Charles Croucher: and get things done? You know, does green hydro exist 179 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,080 Charles Croucher: and can we make it viable as a base load power? 180 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Charles Croucher: Can we roll out batteries so that our amazing uptake 181 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,440 Charles Croucher: of home rooftop solar can be valuable to the country. 182 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Charles Croucher: Is there the poles and wires to get the wind 183 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:36,319 Charles Croucher: and the solar to people that need it? Because energy 184 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,600 Charles Croucher: is the economy, and is there the opportunity to turn 185 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,480 Charles Croucher: those natural advantages Australia has in sun and wind but 186 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,840 Charles Croucher: also what's under the ground into more than just stuff 187 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,640 Charles Croucher: we ship to China and India and Brazil. Can we 188 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,720 Charles Croucher: turn that into a manufacturing sector that can actually provide 189 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,079 Charles Croucher: jobs and create innovation and encourage Australians to take risks 190 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Charles Croucher: as well, because that's what's lacking at the moment, and 191 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,160 Charles Croucher: that goes back to that productivity question. 192 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,240 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so let's just move on to the next political 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Sean Aylmer: party or cohortan on a party. The Teals they didn't 194 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Sean Aylmer: quite do as well as I thought they might do. 195 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,880 Charles Croucher: Yeah, I thought we'd come back with more Teals. It 196 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,480 Charles Croucher: looks like we're going to come back with fewer now. 197 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,920 Charles Croucher: Given it was a standing start, that's a difficult challenge. 198 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Charles Croucher: I think a lot of people sort of reverted back 199 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,520 Charles Croucher: to the parties or back to labor. Perhaps there wasn't 200 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,320 Charles Croucher: the anti Scott Morrison sentiment that was there by the 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Charles Croucher: end of his time as Prime minister. It's still that 202 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Charles Croucher: the Teals are still occupying seats that the Liberal Party 203 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,880 Charles Croucher: would consider tried and tested Liberal seats. You know, Tom 204 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,640 Charles Croucher: White over in Wa and Curtain where Kate Cheney won 205 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,600 Charles Croucher: again Columbinet. Tommy he was the next Liberal Prime minister. 206 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Charles Croucher: He thought it was a great candidate and he's lost there. 207 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,959 Charles Croucher: So more talent gone wentworth you know, it's blue blood 208 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,400 Charles Croucher: Liberal area Malcolm Turnbull's old seat. Wringer Tony Abbotts old, 209 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Charles Croucher: you can do the rounds mckella, it's still there's still 210 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Charles Croucher: Liberal Terry Tree that as long as the Teals are there, 211 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,360 Charles Croucher: I think it becomes too hard for the Liberal Party 212 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Charles Croucher: to govern because you've got to fight so much harder 213 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Charles Croucher: for seats in the outer suburbs while still keeping a 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,160 Charles Croucher: message for the inner suburbs. What it means for the 215 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Charles Croucher: Teals now that once again they don't have the balance 216 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,000 Charles Croucher: of power that perhaps they sought, can they apply the pressure. 217 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Charles Croucher: A Legra spender was saying there wasn't much opposition last time. 218 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,319 Charles Croucher: The Teals could be the opposition and the Independence and 219 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Charles Croucher: the cross Bench. Maybe that's true. 220 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Sean Aylmer: You see then on that the Greens. Not a good 221 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,120 Sean Aylmer: election for the Greens certainly in the House of Reps. 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,160 Charles Croucher: No, not a good election in the House of Reps. 223 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,960 Charles Croucher: I think in the Senate they'd say they've done all 224 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,760 Charles Croucher: right and the actual share of the vote wasn't too bad. 225 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Charles Croucher: But I think that really pivoted around the fact that 226 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,720 Charles Croucher: the Greens under Max Channelmayer, who was the Housing spokesperson 227 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Charles Croucher: who's lost his seat, became this party of renters and 228 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,880 Charles Croucher: they were on a winner there. They seem to be 229 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Charles Croucher: tapping into a really angry part of the electorate and 230 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,720 Charles Croucher: then international events intervened and the Greens this is callous 231 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Charles Croucher: and I don't know took their eye if the ball 232 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,960 Charles Croucher: sounds wrong because of how serious what they were looking 233 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,520 Charles Croucher: at in the Middle East was. And it's not like 234 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,960 Charles Croucher: it was a distraction, but it got away from a 235 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,040 Charles Croucher: message that resonated with a lot of the voters and 236 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,800 Charles Croucher: with the majority of voters, and they probably paid the 237 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Charles Croucher: price with losing two, if not three seats on Saturday. 238 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Charles Croucher: We wait and see with Adam Bant, but the signs 239 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Charles Croucher: aren't looking good for the Green's leader. 240 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,920 Sean Aylmer: Charles, thank you very much for talking to Fear and 241 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:26,960 Sean Aylmer: Greed anytime. 242 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,320 Charles Croucher: Thank you. 243 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,680 Sean Aylmer: It was Charles Croucher, chief political editor out for nine years. 244 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Sean Aylmer: This is the Fearing Greed, a daily interview. 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