Speaker 1: Live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: This is Denika to Georgio.
Speaker 3: Hello Andrew, Welcome to the program coming up tonight, Vale
Speaker 3: of Secrecy Labor reportedly involved in meetings dating back months
Speaker 3: to repatriate the ISIS brides. Wait until you hear Tony
Speaker 3: Burke's latest spin. I'll unpack this and the PM's denials
Speaker 3: that mass immigration is an issue with liberal Tony Pasen.
Speaker 3: The King further embroiled in the Andrew saga as calls
Speaker 3: grow for Australia to become a republic in the wake
Speaker 3: of the former Prince's arrest and Donald Trump slaps a
Speaker 3: fifteen percent tariff on the world.
Speaker 4: What does this mean for US?
Speaker 3: Economist Leith van Onslin will explain, but first tonight, A
Speaker 3: lot has been said this week about Pauline Hanson, the.
Speaker 4: Left having a field day, calling her racist and so on.
Speaker 3: Now, whatever you think about the comments she made on
Speaker 3: this channel last week, one thing about the One Nation
Speaker 3: leader is her consistency on issues like mass migration and
Speaker 3: migrants respecting our values. Yet the left want to cancel
Speaker 3: her case in point Senator Fatima Payment now have a
Speaker 3: listen to her comments about Pauline Hanson last night.
Speaker 5: Our Pauline Hanson that if she doesn't like Hawthens are
Speaker 5: here in Australia, then she can really pack her bags
Speaker 5: and go to the US and continue being best buds
Speaker 5: with Trump.
Speaker 3: Now, this is where Fatima and the left in general
Speaker 3: have got it all wrong. Right now, in my view,
Speaker 3: multiculturalism has failed in this country. It wasn't always this way,
Speaker 3: and I'm pro migration. I'm the granddaughter of migrants, but
Speaker 3: in my view it has to be tightly controlled with
Speaker 3: strict checks and balances and restrictions from terrorist hotspots. But
Speaker 3: the problem right now is when the door is left
Speaker 3: open to people whose values are incompatible with ours, the
Speaker 3: multiculturalism experiment fails. A harmonious society of cultures is a myth,
Speaker 3: and I'm not talking about all cultures. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: those who do not fit in with a Western democracy.
Speaker 4: Not all cultures are.
Speaker 3: Created equal, and I could list countless examples of where
Speaker 3: multiculturalism has failed. Hate preachers, weekly anti Israel protests, rye
Speaker 3: anti Semitism, chance of globalized the Intofada, flags of terror
Speaker 3: groups being waived, Jewish flags set a light, our national
Speaker 3: monuments hijacked, and of course acts of terror. So what
Speaker 3: on earth is fatima payment a migrant to this country
Speaker 3: lecturing on this is how we do it in Australia. Well,
Speaker 3: how we do it in Australia is we respect our values.
Speaker 3: Immigrants come into this country to do it how we
Speaker 3: do it, not the other way around. But unfortunately there
Speaker 3: are some who have come here not to be Australian.
Speaker 3: Yet fatima payment from Afghanistan, our country where women are
Speaker 3: treated like dirt, is telling an Australian born woman to
Speaker 3: leave the country.
Speaker 4: Seriously.
Speaker 3: I mean this is the same fadom of Payment who
Speaker 3: claimed Iran was an incredible place for women. And the
Speaker 3: thing is the left's narrative on migration right now is
Speaker 3: in disarray. They're so desperate they actually want to lock
Speaker 3: up Pauline Hanson again. The AFP has reportedly received reports
Speaker 3: of crime over her comments about Muslims. Now, are we
Speaker 3: about to witness the first test of Labour's hate speech laws?
Speaker 4: What is a threshold? We don't know.
Speaker 3: What does it mean for free speech? We don't know
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's comments about Muslims. In my view, we're wrong.
Speaker 3: The majority of Muslims live peacefully in this country and
Speaker 3: it does take the focus off radical Islam, which is at.
Speaker 4: The heart of the problem. But if Pauline Hanson.
Speaker 3: Is about to be investigated, then we have blasphemy laws
Speaker 3: on our hands and I'm concerned that we are going
Speaker 3: the way of the UK, where people are being arrested
Speaker 3: for saying things that the government does not like. The
Speaker 3: PM was duck and weaving today on this on Sky News.
Speaker 6: There's a separation here. Politicians were responsible for putting laws
Speaker 6: in place. It's important that the authorities, who I have
Speaker 6: confidence in be allowed to do their job. I'm not
Speaker 6: a lawyer, nor am I in charge of fulfilling those laws.
Speaker 6: I'll allow the appropriate authorities to engage.
Speaker 4: Well, it was always going to be the problem.
Speaker 3: There's no threshold, and in a time when Australia has changed,
Speaker 3: particularly after October seven and even more since Bondai, the
Speaker 3: two big parties have not caught up, and the common
Speaker 3: denominator is mass migration. The Prime Minister was in full
Speaker 3: gas light mode today claiming that there's no problem with
Speaker 3: immigration from Islamic countries.
Speaker 6: The Australian covenant is that if people have any prejudice
Speaker 6: or hatred, it's left at the customs Hall when they
Speaker 6: arrive in Australia, and overwhelmingly Astralians show respect to each other.
Speaker 6: Overwhelmingly Australians, regardless of which, what their faith is, who
Speaker 6: they are, what their background is, we overwhelmingly live in
Speaker 6: harmony in this country.
Speaker 3: The problem is people who do not leave their hate
Speaker 3: at the customs hall. Now, labour's led in more than
Speaker 3: three thousand gardens with little to.
Speaker 4: No security checks.
Speaker 3: The majority of Gazans supported the October seven massacre it's
Speaker 3: led in isis Brides. And that's not including this latest
Speaker 3: cohort that could be headed our way.
Speaker 4: And now the daughter of a sanctioned Iranian.
Speaker 3: Military leader who acted as an advisor to the Ayatola
Speaker 3: and has been accused of involvement in Tehran's nuclear and
Speaker 3: ballistic missile programs was granted permanent residency. And that's despite
Speaker 3: consistent warnings to the Albanese government. Yet the PM is
Speaker 3: claiming that all is above board.
Speaker 7: Do you think there are some countries where we could
Speaker 7: take less people or consider checks as it appears the
Speaker 7: oppositions consider type checks.
Speaker 6: Andrew, this is something that politicians shouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 6: say things that they know isn't true.
Speaker 4: They know I agree with you on that that we have.
Speaker 6: Well you need to hold them to account, Andrew, because
Speaker 6: they know full well that we have checks on migration
Speaker 6: in this country.
Speaker 3: Well, clearly that's not the case. I mean I just
Speaker 3: mentioned the Gazans and the PMS treating us like fools
Speaker 3: so he can yet again pander to the Muslim vote.
Speaker 4: So it's little wonder One.
Speaker 3: Nation is now leading in the polls outpolling Labor and
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party in Victoria. Have a look at this.
Speaker 3: This is voting intentions. This is the first time it's
Speaker 3: topped a poll across the country and in Victoria, of
Speaker 3: all states, a Labor held Union stronghold, and it means
Speaker 3: if an election were to be held today, it would
Speaker 3: be a hung parliament there. And have a look at
Speaker 3: this poll in today's Dally Telegraph. In terms of a
Speaker 3: three party preferred measure which tracks can heeatitiveness between the
Speaker 3: Coalition and One Nation, the opposition leader Angus Taylor has
Speaker 3: a mountain to climb to claw back support to One Nation.
Speaker 3: Labors well ahead on forty four percent One Nation on
Speaker 3: twenty nine. That's two points ahead of the Coalition on
Speaker 3: twenty seven. Senator Hanson is viewed more positively than both
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor and Anthony Albanesi. And the One Nation's leader
Speaker 3: net approval rating is at plus nine, so that's ahead
Speaker 3: of the opposition leader on plus three and if you
Speaker 3: look at the Prime Minister, he's down fifteen on his
Speaker 3: net approval. So there's certainly a lot of work to
Speaker 3: do to claw back those two million votes from One
Speaker 3: Nation And I really do think the Coalition has a
Speaker 3: real chance to get it right when it comes to
Speaker 3: immigration policy, and under a conservative leader in Angus Taylor,
Speaker 3: they may just get there. But as I said, Australia
Speaker 3: has changed the mass migration myth.
Speaker 4: It doesn't bode well anymore.
Speaker 3: It's time to face up to the facts.
Speaker 4: Now I mentioned there the Isis brides.
Speaker 3: Much longer can Labour keep up the denials and the
Speaker 3: facade that it has nothing to do with the repatriation
Speaker 3: of these women. The Daily Telegraph has revealed that high
Speaker 3: level briefings between the Federal government and New South Wales
Speaker 3: agencies to repatriate the Isis brides have been going on
Speaker 3: for months keyword there months. So the plans for the
Speaker 3: cohort's return were far more advanced than what the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister and Labor has been telling you this week they
Speaker 3: are not receiving assistants to return to Australia and the
Speaker 3: Australian Government will not assist them.
Speaker 4: They made a choice to go to Syria. We won't
Speaker 4: be repatriating them from Syria.
Speaker 6: The government is providing no support for the repatriation of
Speaker 6: these people.
Speaker 3: Labour's known from the very beginning. A senior federal government
Speaker 3: source told The Telegraph. I became aware of the meetings
Speaker 3: in September and they have been primarily focused on reintegration
Speaker 3: support and services such as specialist health and trauma care
Speaker 3: for women and children.
Speaker 4: There were also briefings.
Speaker 3: On the management of ongoing risk assessments and monitoring for
Speaker 3: these people in the community. This is why the government's
Speaker 3: lack of transparency on this issue in the past week
Speaker 3: has been completely unethical. They did know the group were
Speaker 3: returning imminently. Look this absolutely squanders the suggestions by the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke that Labor
Speaker 3: had no involvement. And don't forget the revelations that two
Speaker 3: women inside the ouroach camp. This is where the group
Speaker 3: is staying in Syria, said via an encrypted messaging app
Speaker 3: that eleven Australian women and twenty three children were told
Speaker 3: in late January that they were quote likely to be
Speaker 3: returning home. Both sources in the camp also confirmed the
Speaker 3: women were being assisted by an Australian government delegate. So
Speaker 3: where is the transparency from the minister?
Speaker 8: Are you actively trying to stop them coming back?
Speaker 9: Then?
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't want them to come.
Speaker 8: Back, but are you actively trying to stop them?
Speaker 2: We're actively making sure we do nothing to help them,
Speaker 2: nothing to help them at all.
Speaker 3: Look, this is a disgrace, this is a scandal. Okay,
Speaker 3: these are not all innocent women. Most left this great
Speaker 3: country to join the death cult willingly, and now that
Speaker 3: the jihadi romance hasn't quite gone to plan, they want
Speaker 3: to come back here and live a peaceful life. And
Speaker 3: Labour's first instinct is to help them out. Now what
Speaker 3: does that tell you about how once again Muslim votes
Speaker 3: are being put before safety and values. And only one
Speaker 3: of this cohort has been given an exclusion order so far,
Speaker 3: why not the rest of them? Well, if you ask
Speaker 3: the Home Affairs Minister.
Speaker 2: We know the different individuals, We.
Speaker 3: Know them well, g to, I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people too, but none of whom have gone overseas to
Speaker 3: join a terror group, and none of them have even
Speaker 3: had formal interviews from security authorities.
Speaker 8: Why can't they go and interview them? I mean, from
Speaker 8: what you're saying, it sounds like they're monitoring their communications
Speaker 8: and collecting what information they can. Wouldn't it be better
Speaker 8: to sit down with each of them before giving them
Speaker 8: a passport to come home?
Speaker 2: Or at the moment we're not sending officials in there?
Speaker 8: Why not? Because if there's a risk of them coming back,
Speaker 8: and they do pose any sort of risk, wouldn't it
Speaker 8: be better to send.
Speaker 2: A I think I've just gone through the extent to
Speaker 2: which we have knowledge of these individuals, knowledge.
Speaker 8: But interviewing them, Like, why not interview them?
Speaker 2: Well, we had people there on the ground earlier, we
Speaker 2: have continued to track these individuals the whole way through.
Speaker 3: It doesn't fill you with a lot of hope when
Speaker 3: they haven't even been interviewed. My colleague Sharry marks And
Speaker 3: reported last week that the last time interviews were conducted
Speaker 3: with the ISIS cohort of thirty four individuals was back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, and that was confirmed by Burke
Speaker 3: this morning when asked why he's so confident that they
Speaker 3: don't pose a threat.
Speaker 2: They are not a coherent cohort. The cohort is not consistent.
Speaker 2: There are very different people within that cohort, with different
Speaker 2: histories and different states of mind. If I put it
Speaker 2: in those terms, they are quite different.
Speaker 3: I could not give a toss about the women's history,
Speaker 3: nor could I care about their state of mind. That
Speaker 3: is not the threshold for minimum level security in this country.
Speaker 4: Are we seriously.
Speaker 3: Basing it off the level of coherency of a person?
Speaker 3: And the Opposition has again raised concerns.
Speaker 10: These are people who left our country, a prosperous, peaceful,
Speaker 10: liberal democracy to go and join.
Speaker 2: Isis that every one of.
Speaker 10: Them should face charges if they ever find their way
Speaker 10: back home, But frankly, the priority should be keeping them.
Speaker 2: Offshore where they can do no harm to.
Speaker 4: Australia and labours handed them passports.
Speaker 3: Sure might be citizens, but the Passport Act is very clear.
Speaker 3: It says a passport can be denied if someone might
Speaker 3: prejudice the security of Australia. Now, surely these women meet
Speaker 3: that threshold of the eleven Nazarene's Zaha brother claims that
Speaker 3: she unknowingly went to Syria, but still married an ISIS
Speaker 3: fighter who was later sentenced to death. Samaya Zahab, whose
Speaker 3: brother joined ISIS and was killed in an airstrike, He
Speaker 3: was believed to have encouraged several relatives to follow him
Speaker 3: to Syria. Then there's Kirsty ross Emily, whose Moroccan born
Speaker 3: husband was stripped of his Australian citizenship. And Zara Ahmad,
Speaker 3: who told the ABC that once male relatives align themselves
Speaker 3: with Islamic state, the women felt compelled to follow. She
Speaker 3: married a terror recruiter as well. Now it's not about
Speaker 3: their circumstances, it's about who we are bringing in. Tony
Speaker 3: Burke has denied the Daily Telegraphs report that Labor has
Speaker 3: been involved in conduct repatriation efforts.
Speaker 4: Well, if that's the case.
Speaker 3: Labor has to come clean about what it knew, when
Speaker 3: it knew, and what it has been up to behind
Speaker 3: the scenes to help out and key why, I mean,
Speaker 3: after everything that's happened in this country, after the largest
Speaker 3: terror attack on home soil, a little girl among those.
Speaker 4: Murdered, Labor just doesn't get it.
Speaker 3: So good luck trying to convince me that bringing ISIS
Speaker 3: brides back home is a great idea. Let's bring in
Speaker 3: liberal MP now Tony Passon, Tony good to catch up.
Speaker 3: As always, thanks for joining me. Firstly, I just want
Speaker 3: to get your reaction to these revelations that Labor briefed
Speaker 3: state agencies on the return of Isis brides and how
Speaker 3: contradictory is it to what we've been hearing from Labor
Speaker 3: all week.
Speaker 10: Well, the Naker, like you, I think it's scandalous and
Speaker 10: I think this story has a lot further to run.
Speaker 10: What we're now seeing is Labour trying to talk out
Speaker 10: of both sides. It's for its mouth on this issue.
Speaker 10: At the as kind as I can be, we've got
Speaker 10: a government that's currently indifferent about the return of these
Speaker 10: Arsist brides. I don't want a government that's indifferent about
Speaker 10: their return. I want a government using every single power
Speaker 10: at its disposal to ensure these women who left this
Speaker 10: country to join jihad don't come back. They can use
Speaker 10: the Passports Act, but quite frankly, every single arm of
Speaker 10: government should be focused on ensuring Australians are kept safe,
Speaker 10: and part of that is for these individuals never to
Speaker 10: return home or thirty four of them.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is Tony Burke admitted today that
Speaker 3: they have not been interviewed since twenty twenty two and
Speaker 3: that security officials won't be going back there to interview them.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't really fill you with any hope,
Speaker 4: does it.
Speaker 10: Well, that's my point. If you were genuine in your
Speaker 10: desire to ensure these viduals don't return, you would send
Speaker 10: officials to go and interview these women and get as
Speaker 10: much detail and information as we can to ensure that
Speaker 10: were they to return. Noting that we are doing I
Speaker 10: would hope we're doing this to ensure they can't. But
Speaker 10: were they to return, that they face the full force
Speaker 10: of the law. I mean that's a classic example of
Speaker 10: this indifference. It's like all k and no responsibility. Oh well,
Speaker 10: if they come home, that's fine, we'll deal with them then.
Speaker 10: I mean that is the reason why more and more
Speaker 10: Australians have a losing faith in this government and its
Speaker 10: decision making. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look absolutely, and in the end, they left here willingly.
Speaker 3: They knew what they were doing when they left this
Speaker 3: great country to go and join that death cult. So
Speaker 3: you can't convince me that this is a wonderful idea
Speaker 3: to bring.
Speaker 4: These women back.
Speaker 3: I've got no sympathy for any of them I mentioned
Speaker 3: just before as well. The Prime Minister has also downplayed
Speaker 3: immigration concerns, especially from Islamic country. Now, I personally think
Speaker 3: Tony that immigration is an acute voat driving issue. I mean,
Speaker 3: Labour's letting more than one point one million migrants into
Speaker 3: the country. It's not also about how many, it's about
Speaker 3: where they're from. We've seen three thousand gardens come here
Speaker 3: with little to security checks. But why do you think
Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister is so desperate to play down
Speaker 3: the immigration concerns.
Speaker 10: Well because of his track record. I mean the reality
Speaker 10: is on his watch we've seen record levels of migration
Speaker 10: and I've got to say if he's downplaying the sentiment
Speaker 10: that he's out there in community, more for him. Janiki,
Speaker 10: your grandparents, by parents came to this country. They came
Speaker 10: to make a contribution. They came to join Team Australia,
Speaker 10: not checking the Hotel Australia. They share our values and
Speaker 10: wanted to be part of this great country. And the
Speaker 10: reality is there is a whole cohort of people who
Speaker 10: are coming to this country who now don't share those
Speaker 10: values and we need to ensure we have appropriate mechanisms
Speaker 10: in place that such that people that do come to
Speaker 10: this country understand that it is a great privilege. I mean,
Speaker 10: Australian citizenship in my view, is the golden ticket and
Speaker 10: we shouldn't just be giving it out. Willy Nearly Having
Speaker 10: said that, Prime Minister needs to understand that the best
Speaker 10: I think retail politician in the country right now, Peter Malenawskis,
Speaker 10: understands the concern people have around this issue and he's
Speaker 10: making it very clear that he's speaking directly to One
Speaker 10: Nation voters because he's worried about the rise in sentiment
Speaker 10: and support for that political party.
Speaker 3: Well, I do actually want to ask you a question
Speaker 3: on one Nation, but just back to migration, and you
Speaker 3: do have a point on that. Earlier in the week
Speaker 3: we saw a Susan Lee drafted up policy that she
Speaker 3: was apparently got a release but never did, and had
Speaker 3: restrictions on a certain amount of countries or people coming
Speaker 3: from parts of countries, particularly terrorism hotspots.
Speaker 4: Would you support.
Speaker 3: A proposal like that, so a ban on certain regions.
Speaker 10: Janeka, I don't think this should be based on geography.
Speaker 10: I think this should be based on values. Now, of course,
Speaker 10: I think when individuals are coming from particular hotspots, I
Speaker 10: think you nearly really need to ramp up the checking
Speaker 10: to ensure that people who are coming to this country
Speaker 10: share our values. They for example, respect the rule of
Speaker 10: law and are prepared to buy into Western civilization if
Speaker 10: you like. But geography I don't think should be the test.
Speaker 10: I think it should be values. People coming with the
Speaker 10: right attitude, the right aptitude. I'm open to the idea
Speaker 10: that we might have waiting periods that give us the
Speaker 10: opportunity to make those assessments. And of course anyone who
Speaker 10: doesn't meet the requisite standard they can check out of
Speaker 10: Hotel Australia as soon as we can make that happen.
Speaker 4: But how do you test for that? How can you
Speaker 4: really judge a person's values?
Speaker 10: Well, this is something that we'll need to work through
Speaker 10: the detail of Jamaka, because this is an important element
Speaker 10: of where as I understand it, Angus Taylor wants to
Speaker 10: take us. But like I said, I'm not suggesting that
Speaker 10: geography is irrelevant. Obviously, where there are these hotspots, there
Speaker 10: will need to be a greater degree of scrutiny. But
Speaker 10: I really do think you can't simply tar one geographical
Speaker 10: area completely with the one brush. I mean, that's not
Speaker 10: a values based system, and we need to ensure that
Speaker 10: we're operating a values based system because I think the
Speaker 10: mistake that's been made in the past is we've allowed
Speaker 10: people come to this country who don't share our values,
Speaker 10: who don't want to buy in, who don't understand that
Speaker 10: the quid pro quo here is you come to make
Speaker 10: a contribution as opposed to come and receive. So I
Speaker 10: think we'll need to work through the criteria. It's difficult,
Speaker 10: it's devilishly difficult, but we will need to get those
Speaker 10: settings right because it's only by doing that that we
Speaker 10: can ensure we can create that cultural cohesion that we
Speaker 10: long for and that perhaps we had in the eighties
Speaker 10: and nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and yeah post World War Two, I would
Speaker 3: say dating back that far as well, just very quickly
Speaker 3: on One Nation there was that Poland in the Daily
Speaker 3: Telegraph today. So in terms of a three party preferred measure,
Speaker 3: this tracks competitiveness between the Coalition and One Nation. It
Speaker 3: suggests that the Opposition leader Angus Taylor has a mountain
Speaker 3: to climb to claw back support from One Nation. Labors
Speaker 3: well ahead there one nation twenty nine percent. The Coalition
Speaker 3: they're on twenty seven percent. You've got a lot of
Speaker 3: work to do, Tony between now and the next election.
Speaker 4: How do you do that? Well, you're right.
Speaker 10: The election of the new leader has brought us to
Speaker 10: the bottom of the mountain and we need to climb it.
Speaker 10: The way we do it is we earned a Liberal
Speaker 10: Party back into a policy will create a set of
Speaker 10: policies that meet the needs of the Australian people, but
Speaker 10: more importantly reflect traditional conservative liberal values. I mean, I
Speaker 10: think one of the reasons why people are moving into
Speaker 10: the one nation column is they're confused about what the
Speaker 10: Liberal Party stands for. That's not an Australia or a
Speaker 10: Liberal Party that we saw under John Howard or Tony Abbott.
Speaker 10: People knew instinctively what the Liberal Party stood for, and
Speaker 10: it stood for policies that met the standard of traditional
Speaker 10: liberal conservative values. And we need to do that and
Speaker 10: make it very clear. But Janika, I'm saying to my colleagues,
Speaker 10: talks cheap. The reality is we need to act like
Speaker 10: a center right political party or we need those policies
Speaker 10: to be set out clearly and communicated to the Australian people.
Speaker 10: And then we need to do We need to act
Speaker 10: every day in accordance with the values and the standards
Speaker 10: we set for ourselves. It's only on that basis that
Speaker 10: we can start walking up the track, climb this mountain.
Speaker 10: Any deviation off that track, it's a very narrow path.
Speaker 10: Any disunity, any attempt to talk about ourselves, will throw
Speaker 10: us off that course and we will never climb this mountain.
Speaker 10: And we'll just see one nation vote climb. Pardon the pun,
Speaker 10: up and up and up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you're not wrong, You're absolutely not wrong. A
Speaker 3: long road ahead, but you know, I hope for the
Speaker 3: best for the party, that's for sure. Tony Passon and
Speaker 3: I to see you as always, Thanks very much for
Speaker 3: joining me. Well let's get into it now with my panel,
Speaker 3: former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott and New
Speaker 3: South Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahala.
Speaker 4: Kind of both of you as always, thank you for
Speaker 4: joining me. We're going to start with these iis brides. David,
Speaker 4: you're a former counter terrorism minister.
Speaker 3: Do you buy this argument from labor that or they
Speaker 3: haven't been at all involved? I mean, you know what
Speaker 3: goes on behind the scenes. What can you tell us.
Speaker 11: They're playing us for fools. They are playing us for fools.
Speaker 9: I've sat.
Speaker 11: I was made the to counter terrorism. It is nine
Speaker 11: years ago and one of the first briefings I had
Speaker 11: was how the state governments, the service providers were going
Speaker 11: to manage the returned Isis brides and their children. We
Speaker 11: knew exactly what was going to happen. They were going
Speaker 11: to come back, they radicalized, they were hateful, though eventuful,
Speaker 11: and the state governments had to be prepared on the
Speaker 11: back of the briefings from the Commonwealth about where they're
Speaker 11: going to go to school, what counseling are they going
Speaker 11: to need, what sign of medical assistance they're going to
Speaker 11: be they're going to require. So for the Commonwealth government
Speaker 11: to stand up and say we've got nothing to do
Speaker 11: with this is so frustrating because it is a lie,
Speaker 11: and I think they dug themselves into this lie, and
Speaker 11: they're now trying to they're trying to get themselves out
Speaker 11: of it. And as we all know in politics, sometimes
Speaker 11: it's not the act, it's the cover up exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's getting worse and worse because their lies are
Speaker 3: being exposed on the daily now and what about this
Speaker 3: argument from Tony Burke Tanya when she said, oh, he said,
Speaker 3: well some of the group are not coherent.
Speaker 4: Is that the threshold? Is it now? For enough? Had?
Speaker 9: I thought he hadn't met them or interviewed them. And
Speaker 9: how it can come up with that exactly?
Speaker 4: How can you make that assessment?
Speaker 9: I have to say, And look, I agree completely with
Speaker 9: David and yourself on this, and I do think there's
Speaker 9: such a horrific cover up here that it's worth actually
Speaker 9: the Coalition or anyone calling for a Royal Commission or
Speaker 9: a Special Commissioner of Inquiry so that we can actually
Speaker 9: demand that public servants be brought forward and question these
Speaker 9: public servants so they can actually provide the details. Is
Speaker 9: how much the government's actually involved. The idea that there's
Speaker 9: nothing to see, they haven't been partaking in any kind
Speaker 9: of discussions about how to get these women back is
Speaker 9: a complete and utter lie, not just a cover up.
Speaker 9: It's a lie that needs to be exposed. I have
Speaker 9: to say this. It does make my blood boil to
Speaker 9: think that these women voluntarily signed up knowing that they
Speaker 9: were going to go to a country, participate and join
Speaker 9: a terrorrist organization. Marry some isis fighter and then once
Speaker 9: they're discarded, the husbands are either dead or in jails
Speaker 9: exactlyefully they've been discarded, they want to come back to
Speaker 9: Australia with their offspring and they expect the Australian taxpayer
Speaker 9: to foot the bill.
Speaker 4: It makes me.
Speaker 9: So angry to think about how many older Australians who
Speaker 9: are on pensions on the waiting list for house Look,
Speaker 9: that's a good point, waiting for elective surgery.
Speaker 4: Won't even have enough houses in this country.
Speaker 9: Correct, These people were clearly Burke and his and his
Speaker 9: friends were clearly going to far straight.
Speaker 4: They're pandering. These absolutely'ir pandering.
Speaker 3: And yeah again it's us Australians who what we just
Speaker 3: see idly buy while you know a possible threat comes
Speaker 3: into this country.
Speaker 4: Let's move on. I want to talk about Labour's disastrous
Speaker 4: pursuit of net zero.
Speaker 3: It's been labeled as an industrial suicide. Energy experts have
Speaker 3: told Sky News that the consequences of soaring system costs,
Speaker 3: project overruns and tightening emissions policy will deliver the death
Speaker 3: knell for the heavy industry. So this is our minium
Speaker 3: smelters Alumina refinery still works. Fertilizer plants, and the list
Speaker 3: goes on. I mean, David, unsurprising because these plants that
Speaker 3: are consuming so much energy in the first place, there
Speaker 3: bills a skyrocketing and we're going to go to what
Speaker 3: twenty fifty with this disaster.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this should scare the bajass out of every Australia,
Speaker 11: not just the people that are involved in mass production,
Speaker 11: because because construction costs in Australia at the moment, with
Speaker 11: a massive backlog we have for infrastructure, the construction costs
Speaker 11: in Australia at the moment are getting out of hands.
Speaker 11: So this will supercharge those costs. This will put a
Speaker 11: loading on the cost of construction in this country. And
Speaker 11: the engineers across the country will tell you that they
Speaker 11: cannot fathom the blowout in infrastructure costs in this country.
Speaker 11: And you know, it's literally getting to a point where
Speaker 11: tenders have been closed and then tenders are asking if
Speaker 11: they can have a revised tendering process, because by the
Speaker 11: time the job's been approved, those costs are completely irrelevant,
Speaker 11: those costs are out of have been blown out. So
Speaker 11: and of course it's it's very much a case of
Speaker 11: the marketing of zero. It should never have been called zero.
Speaker 11: Nobody believed it was going.
Speaker 4: To be the con job.
Speaker 11: It should have just been we want to be good
Speaker 11: custodians of the earth, and everybody would have gone on
Speaker 11: the journey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 11: Yes, there is a case where renewable energies in my
Speaker 11: in my house, for example, have been cost effective. But
Speaker 11: please don't make the cost of building my home triple
Speaker 11: because you guys can't. You guys can't come up with
Speaker 11: some consistent and.
Speaker 4: Believable pobles totally.
Speaker 3: And the problem is as well manufacturing. The sector is
Speaker 3: already down in this country right now. One driven labor
Speaker 3: has driven it to the ground. But you add energy
Speaker 3: cross on to that, it is a significant warning to
Speaker 3: say it's the death of the industry.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: In Australia, Injury Regulator has just approved another six hundred
Speaker 9: million to subsidize renewable for the next financial year, on
Speaker 9: top of four hundred ninety three million last year and
Speaker 9: three hundred and forty one.
Speaker 4: Million the year before.
Speaker 9: So it tells you that renewables are just forever going
Speaker 9: to be a huge cost and burden for Australians. But look,
Speaker 9: our industries are already suffering we're already there's so much
Speaker 9: that Australia doesn't produce. As it is in Australia, we've
Speaker 9: got to hold on to whatever we can, to the refineries,
Speaker 9: to hold onto what machinery that we do continue to
Speaker 9: still to build in Australia, and of course energy costs
Speaker 9: are a huge factor. I've got to say something about
Speaker 9: net zero Commission. I remind David, and I know David
Speaker 9: wasn't in Parliament, but the Coalition New South Wales supported
Speaker 9: the net zero targets in New South Wales. They're crazy
Speaker 9: twenty thirty five targets, let alone the twenty fifty and
Speaker 9: the net Zero Commission that they've set up in New
Speaker 9: South Wales, which has been plowed with millions of dollars
Speaker 9: lots of stuff, is now demanding that every agency in
Speaker 9: New South Wales respond regarding those emission targets. They're putting
Speaker 9: pressure on every single agency. So it's going to get
Speaker 9: worse and worse. So you can only imagine the level
Speaker 9: of costs.
Speaker 3: It is out of control, and it is already out
Speaker 3: of control. That's the problem of going broken backwards in
Speaker 3: this country. Now we've got to talk about the former
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew. Obviously, his arrest over the weekend has now
Speaker 3: reignited calls for Australia to become a republic. It gets
Speaker 3: worse than work. This is a disaster now for the
Speaker 3: royal family. David, correct me if I'm wrong. You were
Speaker 3: part of a republican movement.
Speaker 4: Around the no case, got it wrong so.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 11: Listen, the Republicans have been trying to push their calls
Speaker 11: since Henry the knocked off Aenderlin.
Speaker 4: This is true, This is true.
Speaker 11: There's nothing new. They lost badly in ninety nine and
Speaker 11: they threw everything at us. They said, you know, they
Speaker 11: threw you know, the stories about the late Princess Diana.
Speaker 11: They tried to call Prince Philip everything under the sun.
Speaker 11: They lost badly. Then they said, don't worry everybody. When
Speaker 11: the queen dies, that will be our moment to strike.
Speaker 11: Guess what happened with her disaster?
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 11: It went to Pastry. Because they didn't count on the
Speaker 11: fact that Charles would. He's so well received around the Commonwealth.
Speaker 11: So knocking over the monarchy because of Prince Andrew would
Speaker 11: be like knocking over the papacy because of the Borges.
Speaker 11: It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 11: I agree, and I think the King has handed this
Speaker 11: with dignity under the circumstances, and they've done the right
Speaker 11: thing by stripping him of all of his titles. But
Speaker 11: the monarchy's been around for a thousand years and have
Speaker 11: seen a lot worse than this.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he's going to get heckled now everywhere.
Speaker 3: And this is the problem now the king is he's
Speaker 3: out and about doing his royal duties and he's getting heckled.
Speaker 3: I mean, is it really time to reignite the Republican
Speaker 3: movement debate?
Speaker 12: Do you think there's.
Speaker 9: Nobody left in Australia that's that's work on that campaign?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 12: Is it matthis away for the laborer they abolished it,
Speaker 12: give it up the Labor Party, you've given up on
Speaker 12: the Australia public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone has no one maybe the Green the Greens
Speaker 3: maybe well the Greens please until they get their knighthoods, well,
Speaker 3: well accept those. But look, it is a disaster for
Speaker 3: the royal family when you think, and this investigation's only
Speaker 3: just begun, let's let's see what happens, and it's getting
Speaker 3: worse for people around the world as well.
Speaker 4: I will say that Tanya David.
Speaker 3: Great to see you as a Thanks very much for
Speaker 3: joining me on the show.
Speaker 4: So with us coming up after the break, Donald Trump's.
Speaker 3: New ultimatum for Iran war is on the horizon. We'll
Speaker 3: speak to an expert about the President's latest red line.
Speaker 4: That's next. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Let's get the latest on the volatile situation in Iran.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's given a ran a deadline of ten days
Speaker 3: to reach a deal on nuclear negotiations as the US
Speaker 3: military built up in the Middle East intensifies. Joining me
Speaker 3: now is former Defense Deputy Secretary for Strategy Peter Jennings. Peter,
Speaker 3: good to see you again. Thank you very much for
Speaker 3: joining me. You and I spoke about this a couple
Speaker 3: of days ago. It was volatile then, but where are
Speaker 3: we at now?
Speaker 1: So I thought, Tanika, that there was every possible ability
Speaker 1: we would be at this moment talking about an American
Speaker 1: strike unfolding across Iran. That obviously hasn't happened, but I
Speaker 1: think we're probably within a day or two of it
Speaker 1: actually taking place. The second US aircraft carrier, the gerald Ford,
Speaker 1: came into the Mediterranean through the Straits of Gibraltar about
Speaker 1: thirty six hours ago, so it's maybe a day away
Speaker 1: from its ideal location from the point of view of
Speaker 1: conducting air operations. I noticed there's also a British Royal
Speaker 1: Royal Air Force fighter group has moved into the Middle
Speaker 1: Eastern theater as well. So what's happening has been a
Speaker 1: continued buildup of military force into the region. Some have
Speaker 1: said a build up as great as we saw before
Speaker 1: the two thousand and three Iraq war. I would suspect
Speaker 1: in terms of firepower even greater actually, And to me
Speaker 1: that suggests that we're likely to see unless there is
Speaker 1: a completely unexpected breakthrough agreement, which I think is frankly
Speaker 1: impossible in US run negotiations. I think the possibility of
Speaker 1: a military strike in the next few days is highly likely.
Speaker 3: So okay, so if there is indeed a military strike,
Speaker 3: then in the next few days, I guess what happens there.
Speaker 3: I mean, if we've got ships already going in, it
Speaker 3: really does feel like something's about to bubble over. Are
Speaker 3: we actually just talking about all out war? What's the threshold?
Speaker 1: Well, that's not what Trump has done in the past.
Speaker 1: I mean, he does tend to be someone who goes
Speaker 1: in in very targeted, limited ways and He's spoken in
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours or so about limited strikes,
Speaker 1: But you've got to contrast that against the reality that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of force in the region, more than
Speaker 1: is needed to just go and do a few more
Speaker 1: strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities. So I'm sticking to the
Speaker 1: view that I think we're going to see a broader
Speaker 1: strike which is going to target, for example, Iran's ability
Speaker 1: to lay minds in the straits of wo Moves. They're
Speaker 1: going to go after the Uranian Navy, They're going to
Speaker 1: go after command and control facilities of the Uranian Revolutionary Guards,
Speaker 1: and possibly or so against those internal forces, police and
Speaker 1: security which are being so internally repressive of the Iranian population.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think this is potentially going to be
Speaker 1: the biggest military operation that we'll have seen under either
Speaker 1: the first or second Trump presidency, And in fact, I
Speaker 1: would be rather surprised now if it turns out to
Speaker 1: be twenty four hours worth of missile strikes and then
Speaker 1: that's the carriers are packing up and going home. That
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to me to be consistent with what's happening
Speaker 1: on the ground.
Speaker 4: And you mentioned it.
Speaker 3: If there is even any possibility of a deal. So
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's laid down the line that Iran has ten days.
Speaker 3: But the problem is, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: I mean, how confident can we actually be that even
Speaker 3: if a deal was signed, even if Iran did come
Speaker 3: to the table, would they even honor it?
Speaker 1: Highly unlikely. I mean, that would be completely against everything
Speaker 1: we've seen from the behavior of this regime really since
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. And I'm not reading or seeing anywhere
Speaker 1: people saying that a breakthrough is likely. And I think
Speaker 1: the American view is correctly that Iran is trying to
Speaker 1: string this out. The other point I'd say, Danika on
Speaker 1: the ten days that Trump has talked about, is that
Speaker 1: he's never very precise in terms of his time frames.
Speaker 1: He often says about a fortnight, and things happen much
Speaker 1: sooner than that. So I think we've got to be
Speaker 1: open to the reality that what Trump is doing has
Speaker 1: been a little opaque about when those forces are ready
Speaker 1: to go. Let me tell you they're ready to go.
Speaker 1: They could operate right now if they wanted to. And
Speaker 1: then the issue that Trump has is not so much
Speaker 1: when to start, but how long can he keep them there?
Speaker 1: At that level of readiness, you can only keep them
Speaker 1: in the block for so long, and so I think
Speaker 1: this is why the timeframe is closing and we're likely
Speaker 1: to see an operation sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3: Well, all eyes will definitely be on Trump and Iran
Speaker 3: right now. It's going to be interesting to see how
Speaker 3: the week pans out. Peter Jennings, good to catch up
Speaker 3: with you again. Thanks very much for your time this evening.
Speaker 3: We'll still to come. Donald Trump slaps of fifteen percent tariff.
Speaker 4: On the world.
Speaker 3: What does it mean for US? Economist Leath Van Onsolin
Speaker 3: will explain. Plus i'vo live to London as the King
Speaker 3: is embroiled in the Andrew Saga. GB News host Emily
Speaker 3: Carver is next for the latest.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump has announced a blanket fifteen percent.
Speaker 4: Tariff rate on the whole world.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Macro Business chief economist Leath Van Nosolin. Leith,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. So we already got slapped with
Speaker 3: a ten percent baseline tariff.
Speaker 4: So what does this new hike mean for US?
Speaker 13: Yeah, so economically, look, the increased tariff's there unfortunate and
Speaker 13: especially for the companies impacted, they're not going to have
Speaker 13: a massive impact on the economy, not really even a
Speaker 13: material impact on the economy, because Australia only exports, well,
Speaker 13: last year only exported fifty five billion dollars worth of
Speaker 13: goods and services to the USA, So an extra five
Speaker 13: percent tariffs is not going to move the dial from
Speaker 13: a macro economic perspective. But I think the bigger takeaway here, Daniker,
Speaker 13: is that Australia should be pretty wary of the Trump
Speaker 13: administration when it talks about trade because despite the fact
Speaker 13: we had a pre existing free trade agreement with the
Speaker 13: USA in place for twenty years which was heavily skewed
Speaker 13: in the US's favor, and we import twice as many
Speaker 13: goods and services from the US as we import, will
Speaker 13: still being smashed for this fifteen percent tariffs. So it's
Speaker 13: very unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like Donald Trump woke up this morning
Speaker 3: and decided, surprise, we're going to make her grand announcement
Speaker 3: of tariffs. You never know what could happen day by
Speaker 3: day there. But yeah, interesting to say that he won't
Speaker 3: have that big of an impact on us.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about capital gains.
Speaker 3: Anthony Arbernezi has refused to say whether his government is
Speaker 3: considering changes to capital gains tax here he was this morning.
Speaker 7: Are you considering altering the capital gains tax discount in
Speaker 7: this country?
Speaker 6: What we're considering doing is handing down to Budget Andrew
Speaker 6: on the second Tuesday in May.
Speaker 7: So no CGT change.
Speaker 6: Our focus, as I've said, is tax cuts this July.
Speaker 4: I just wonder leth what this means.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got an investment property, you know,
Speaker 3: we don't have enough houses as it is, Which should
Speaker 3: we be concerned about any of these changes or not?
Speaker 13: Yeah, So look, I personally believe that capital gains tax
Speaker 13: discount is too generous and it does encourage property investment
Speaker 13: by too much property investment into established homes, and that
Speaker 13: does crowd out first home buyers. So if you reduce
Speaker 13: the capital gains text discount, it we'll put some tiny
Speaker 13: downward pressure on house prices, not a lot, but it
Speaker 13: should lift the home ownership rates slightly because you can
Speaker 13: have a fewer investors competing against first home buyers. And
Speaker 13: it's also going to provide the government with a bit
Speaker 13: of extra tax revenew But what I'd like to say,
Speaker 13: and I actually agreet the business counts on this to
Speaker 13: see the capital gains text discount reduced in conjunction with
Speaker 13: a broader tax reform program that basically spreads the burden
Speaker 13: of taxation away from workers, because at the moment, worker
Speaker 13: is an incredibly heavily text, and we don't tax a
Speaker 13: whole bunch of other things that we should. So I'd
Speaker 13: rather see it done, you know, with respect to a
Speaker 13: broader tax reform package. And I also think that that
Speaker 13: existing investors should be grandfather as well, because they obviously
Speaker 13: undertook the investments with a certain set of rules, and
Speaker 13: to be unfairter then change the rules after they've undertaken
Speaker 13: their investments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it'll be interesting to see how this one
Speaker 3: plays out.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 3: I want to talk trade is because a new report
Speaker 3: has found that there simply aren't enough trades people to
Speaker 3: meet Labour's target of building one point two million homes
Speaker 3: over five years. It's currently tracking twenty seven percent below
Speaker 3: its target. You know, labor has not achieved not one
Speaker 3: of its housing goals. And as you and I have
Speaker 3: spoken about this in the past, lethe yet. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got the migration map well and truly open. Where
Speaker 3: on earth are we going to put all these people?
Speaker 3: It comes to the bill, the actual trades, how short
Speaker 3: could we be?
Speaker 13: Yeah, so cording to build skills Australia where one hundred
Speaker 13: and seventeen thousand trades short to meet the government's housing targets.
Speaker 13: Now again we're running way behind that, but that is
Speaker 13: just to increase the housing supply, so it doesn't factor
Speaker 13: in all the additional infrastructure you need for a growing population,
Speaker 13: you know, all the extra energy infrastructure we need, or
Speaker 13: the Brisbane Olympics, that sort of thing. But the reality
Speaker 13: here is that Australia's housing infrastructure shortage is kind of
Speaker 13: worsen so long as the government keeps importing more people
Speaker 13: than we can build for. And the optimal solution therefore
Speaker 13: is to run a smaller and more targeted immigration program.
Speaker 13: So it needs to be smaller so we don't so
Speaker 13: demand doesn't run ahead of supply. We also need a
Speaker 13: better targeted immigration system that targets areas of genuine scored
Speaker 13: a shortage like tradees, instead of importing more uber drivers,
Speaker 13: which we don't need. It's otherwise I don't if we
Speaker 13: don't run a small immigration program that's better targeted. These
Speaker 13: shortages of housing infrastructural as other things are just going
Speaker 13: to continue forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just seemed to be going backwards at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 4: We're almost out of time, but very quickly.
Speaker 3: Real wages they're also going backwards for the first time
Speaker 3: since September between twenty three.
Speaker 4: What does this mean moving forward?
Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, unfortunately the Zerve Bank of Australia's latest statement of
Speaker 13: Monetary policy for US for US at real wages and
Speaker 13: not going to recover over the Ford estimate. So by
Speaker 13: by I think it's the end of twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 13: they're still going to be tracking at late twenty eleven levels. Now,
Speaker 13: this all gets down to productivity. If we don't if
Speaker 13: Australia don't lift this productivity growth, we're not going to
Speaker 13: have real wage growth and we're not going to have
Speaker 13: per capita GDP growth. It's as simple as that. That
Speaker 13: should be the government's focus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim Chalmers doesn't seem too worried at the moment.
Speaker 3: That's half of the problem. Leith van Oncel nice to
Speaker 3: see was always thanks very much for your time this evening. Well,
Speaker 3: the Andrew Mount Batton winsor saga is a disaster for
Speaker 3: the Royal family and it gets even worse for the
Speaker 3: King and mid revelations. King Charles was warned as long
Speaker 3: as twenty nineteen that the royal family's name was being
Speaker 3: abused by Andrew mount Batten Windsor's business associations. Joining us
Speaker 3: now from London is gb News host Emily Carver. Emily,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time.
Speaker 4: Well here we go again. What more can you tell
Speaker 4: us about this?
Speaker 14: Well? Absolutely, the papers are absolutely full of new revelations
Speaker 14: about Prince Andrew, what and when the Royal family knew.
Speaker 14: The attention is, as you say, back on the King himself.
Speaker 14: This is a revelation in the Daily Mail this morning
Speaker 14: that an email from twenty nineteen suggested that the King
Speaker 14: was warned then by a whistleblower about the actions of
Speaker 14: his brother. Now this is all about Andrew's financial conduct,
Speaker 14: using his royal status for private financial dealings, particularly linked
Speaker 14: to the very controversial businessman David Rowland. Now the email
Speaker 14: warned that Andrew had secret financial links to this controversial
Speaker 14: millionaire who was abusing his royal links, and claimed that
Speaker 14: Andrew's sanctions suggest he considers his relationship with David Rowland
Speaker 14: more important, even than that of his family. That is
Speaker 14: the claim in the emails Also, the whistleblower urged that
Speaker 14: the matter was taken seriously in order to protect the
Speaker 14: reputation of the royal family. So now the questions are really,
Speaker 14: if King Charles was warned about Andrew's conduct all the
Speaker 14: way back in twenty nineteen, how seriously did he take it?
Speaker 14: Then did he act upon it? Was enough done to
Speaker 14: protect the institution? Did the Royal household handle Andrew's controversies
Speaker 14: quickly and firmly enough? So it'll be very interesting to
Speaker 14: see how the Royal family deal with this. Will they
Speaker 14: remain silent, will they put out a statement? Will more
Speaker 14: be done? There's lots of talk about removing Andrew from
Speaker 14: the line of succession.
Speaker 4: The government can do that.
Speaker 14: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know how much that the
Speaker 3: Royal family can shy away from this. I know that
Speaker 3: they're notoriously quiet, but in this case there's a lot
Speaker 3: coming to hand and I think that they're going to
Speaker 3: have to say something eventually. And then there's this other
Speaker 3: revelation from the former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown. He's
Speaker 3: claimed that Andrew I have even used taxpayer funded jets
Speaker 3: to mate with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 14: Emily, Yes, So the question now, Prince Andrew, these are
Speaker 14: revelations in the papers again Prince Andrew using taxpayer funded
Speaker 14: RIF jets military bases too to travel to see Jeffrey Epstein. Now,
Speaker 14: the former Prime minister, Gordon Brown was Prime Minister for
Speaker 14: a large section of that time three years. He's written
Speaker 14: to police urging them to investigate this new information. The
Speaker 14: key question were public resources used for these private meetings
Speaker 14: with the convicted pedophil Jeffrey Epstein. Now there's no findings
Speaker 14: of wrongdoing at this stage, but if public money is
Speaker 14: involved Anika, it could raise serious questions, well more serious
Speaker 14: questions about the misuse of office.
Speaker 4: But it is.
Speaker 14: Interesting though, I will say this, It is interesting that
Speaker 14: Gordon Brown is saying these things now when he was
Speaker 14: Prime Minister for nearly three years during that time. And
Speaker 14: let's remember also that Gordon Brown is the man responsible
Speaker 14: for bringing Lord Mandelson, who is also currently under police investigation,
Speaker 14: although has not been charged or arrested, bringing him back
Speaker 14: into government, giving him a life peerage, allowing him to
Speaker 14: sit in the House of Laws and also return to Cabinet.
Speaker 14: So it appears as though there's a lot of people
Speaker 14: suddenly remembering things, and I wonder whether this is to
Speaker 14: keep the heat of the current labor government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, suddenly the memory has come back after all these years.
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary, isn't it. Sarah Ferguson looks she's also in
Speaker 3: broil in this. She exiled herself to the UAE once
Speaker 3: all the revelations come to light, including emails at her
Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Epstein had sent to each other. But it's
Speaker 3: now been revealed she's spent time at a recovery clinic
Speaker 3: in Switzerland.
Speaker 14: Emily, Yes, so, as you say, she's being very much
Speaker 14: scrutinized to for her past connections to Epstein.
Speaker 2: We found out.
Speaker 14: That, yes, for a long period she was trying to
Speaker 14: keep a very low profile in Switzerland. Reports that she's
Speaker 14: been spending time at the Paracelsus recovery clinic in Zurich, Switzerland,
Speaker 14: which apparently cost thirteen thousand pounds a day. Now there
Speaker 14: are questions, aren't there over how she managed to afford this,
Speaker 14: considering her well documented financial woes. But she has previously
Speaker 14: promoted the clinic I'd a bit on her social media platforms,
Speaker 14: so it may well have been a freebie or indeed
Speaker 14: paid for by one of her well connected friends.
Speaker 4: Friends.
Speaker 14: Some friends of hers are also talking to the papers.
Speaker 14: Apparently there's a lot of sources out there saying that
Speaker 14: she's very depressed, she thinks the whole world is out
Speaker 14: to get her, that she's very very down, that lots
Speaker 14: of people, including herself, are worried for her mental health.
Speaker 14: But that also she doesn't appear to show any remorse.
Speaker 14: So I'm not sure exactly where this is going to
Speaker 14: go with Sarah Ferguson, but I think it's probably a
Speaker 14: good thing that she's keeping a low profile.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alva, you'd want to exile yourself to the UAA.
Speaker 3: Put it that way, You would not want to be
Speaker 3: anywhere that near the UK right now with all these revelations.
Speaker 3: That's for sure fascinating, isn't it. Emily Carver, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your time, really appreciate it. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: as I said, it just keeps getting worse and worse,
Speaker 3: doesn't it?
Speaker 4: Stay with me? Coming up, Danika's done of the Week.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: It is now time for Danika has done of the week,
Speaker 3: and this week I'm giving it to the lovely Ladies
Speaker 3: of the View in America, specifically Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar,
Speaker 3: because both of them are in absolute panic, having a
Speaker 3: meltdown of sorts after they were both listed in the
Speaker 3: Epstein files.
Speaker 15: Have a look and they find enough for evidence, and
Speaker 15: really good evidence, because that list has a lot of
Speaker 15: crazy names on it, and it's almost like a way
Speaker 15: to muddy the waters so that you say, oh, well,
Speaker 15: you know Whoopy's on the list, right, and so am
Speaker 15: I I think why? Because wait, let me finish this,
Speaker 15: blaz We're on the list because we were at a
Speaker 15: party or a wedding or something that somebody might have been.
Speaker 4: That's what I found out anyway, just a party, just
Speaker 4: a wedding. You know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm suggesting any wrongdoing by either of those women,
Speaker 3: but what it points to is these women they have
Speaker 3: been calling for Donald Trump's head over the Epstein.
Speaker 4: Files for the past few years. And what does Donald
Speaker 4: Trump do.
Speaker 3: He releases the Epstein files, and the Ladies of the View, Well,
Speaker 3: they got nothing else to talk about, do they? They're
Speaker 3: beside themselves because Donald Trump did what the Democrats did not,
Speaker 3: So what on earth a whoopee.
Speaker 4: Enjoy going to talk.
Speaker 3: About now, good grief, all the very best of them.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your company this evening. I'll
Speaker 3: be back again at eight pm on Friday for Opinionated.
Speaker 3: Coming up now is the McPherson Angle with James McPherson.
Speaker 4: Good night,