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Speaker 1: Good Welcome to the show. Thanks for downloading it. This

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Speaker 1: since twenty thirteen. My name's Osher Günsberg. I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: you're here. I am a podcaster, I'm a best selling author,

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Speaker 1: I'm a television host. You'll hear a little bit of

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Speaker 1: my work in just a moment. I'm a dad, I'm

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Speaker 1: for being a part of it. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this episode on the day it comes out, six two

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Speaker 1: and ninety six days ago, or just a little over

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Speaker 1: seventeen years and a few months. One day, while I

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Speaker 1: was at work, this happened the winner. I'm Australian Night

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Speaker 1: off the two. Now is it? In the eight? Is?

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Speaker 1: Wes Carr? That's the sound of Wes Carr winning Australian

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Speaker 1: Idol on the forecourt of the Sydney Opera House, the

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Speaker 1: most famous performance venue in the world, surrounded with ten

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Speaker 1: thousand people going absolutely bochus. At the time, Australian Idol

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Speaker 1: was a cultural juggernaut. Each week, millions of people watched

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Speaker 1: to enjoy their favorite singers, voting for the singers on hideously,

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Speaker 1: hideously expensive text and landline numbers. I've don't know how

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Speaker 1: they got away with that, but Wes had won the competition.

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Speaker 1: He'd got the most amount of votes, and he won

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Speaker 1: because each week he would bring a unique take on

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Speaker 1: songs by the Foo Fighters, U Two, the Rolling Stones

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Speaker 1: and very importantly Michael Jackson, which we'll talk about, and

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Speaker 1: then he won. The single was released right after that

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Speaker 1: moment went number one, sold platinum in Australia, which is

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Speaker 1: no mean feat for an Australian artist. The album that

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Speaker 1: a curse of winning Australian Idol is that you have

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Speaker 1: less than twelve months until another person does, and then

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Speaker 1: financial crisis, WHEZ and Australian Idol eventually dropped away from

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Speaker 1: the public eye. Now, some of that was Wes's choice,

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Speaker 1: some of that was beyond his control. You're going to

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Speaker 1: hear about all of that today. Now along with music

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Speaker 1: He's got a new job that fuels his career. To

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Speaker 1: And it's a fantastic lesson on how our subconscious and

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Speaker 1: It was so wonderful to see Wes’ smiling face show

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Speaker 1: came over. In this conversation I discovered that Wes and

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Speaker 1: to the intoxication of applause, both lost their identities, reinvented ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We both gave up big opportunities for better family lives.

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Speaker 1: Because Where's after some time living away in Nashville, he'd

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Where's and his wife decided to move back

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Speaker 1: why it's important to learn as many skills as you

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Speaker 1: was so great to catch up with We's after all

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Speaker 2: and I found kind of this sort of really creative

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Speaker 1: I was studying contemporary dance and.

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Speaker 2: Just all sorts of a wonderful you know, classical music

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Speaker 1: seeing horses. That's fine. Someone gets a check every time

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Speaker 1: You're now in the demo. Yeah, I know, I get

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Speaker 2: I love that process because I learned so much, you know,

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Speaker 2: and like, you know, in fourteen, and you're and you're

433
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: like you're fourteen, You're just like you're just writing your

434
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: songs whatever, and then Nick Drake comes along and you're like, whoa,

435
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: you haven't had I do that.

436
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: If you have never heard Nick Drake, I won't be

437
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: upset if you stop this right now and just go

438
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: and enjoy. Yeah.

439
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: I think Heath Ledger was really tess with him at

440
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: one stage.

441
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: I heard, you know, he's one of those guys. Yeah, Yeah,

442
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: he didn't quite get the notoriety that he probably deserved

443
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: when he was alive. Absolutely, And yet when I was

444
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: in the bottle of the other day, not for me,

445
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: getting some for a body, and the doors came on,

446
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: I was like, this surely doesn't stand the test of time.

447
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: Roadhouse Blues isn't that good. It was just the first

448
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: thing that showed up that sounded like this is amazing.

449
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: They were the blues band you know, I mean Romans

450
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: Eric though you know I mean Romanz.

451
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: Eric's left hand is the best bass player of that decade.

452
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: Insane, like incredible, sanity, incredible.

453
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: He had a moog or something on top of the baman. Yeah,

454
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: just oh yeah, I kept going, yeah, sorry, now we're

455
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: getting with Yeah, they were talking about a keybod player

456
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: from the doors. There was no bass play. It was

457
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: one guy's left hand, that's it, and a very good one.

458
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

459
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: That. So when you'd got the when the idle thing,

460
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah it was car fireworks, fireworks, what do you get?

461
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Like a day the thing about it? And then boom

462
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: you're in the office and choosing songs for the album

463
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: or the album been recorded or.

464
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: So we had the first single out, which you was

465
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: the single and that had been released the next day,

466
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: and that's right, you know when that was like number one,

467
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: you were number one. Gratulations you know, yeah, platinum selling.

468
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: It was amazing, right, and to say platinum selling these

469
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: days too, it's pretty bloody awesome on the buyers.

470
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: It's really hard to you know, it was gaming and everything.

471
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: It's really hard. So that's a pretty epic kind of thing.

472
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: And then and then you know, as you and then

473
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: actually gracious enough what we Sharh and I went on

474
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: a holiday for ten days with Tokeriki. It was sort

475
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: of like a non negotiable, was like I just need

476
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: to win. But but the thing is, you go from

477
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera house steps, you know, fireworks, chaos, you know,

478
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: two secluded island for ten times. It's like this is

479
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: the probably it was amazing, but wow, like really.

480
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Like we won the shere its in side or the

481
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: other side.

482
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: At Tockeriki, Yeah, where were we probably the share it inside,

483
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah. But like going from there to there

484
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: was like a massive contrast. You know, oh yeah, polar

485
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: the polarized, you know, I think gave me the greatest juice.

486
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: It was like that trip.

487
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Then I went back, we came back straight back home

488
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: next day. Ten days of writing, recording, release, So it

489
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: was ten days of we got to write this record now, yeah,

490
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: and we've got to release it. And after it was

491
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: because we finished in November. So I worked with two

492
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: other writers who had written the Winner single and had

493
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: the greatest time doing that. That was really great fun

494
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: to Adam Margoll and TJ who I had caught up

495
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: with Nashville in Nashville only a few months ago. Oh, actually, yeah,

496
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: a month was it a few months ago?

497
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: No, it was a year ago. Oh man, the time

498
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: time is just going too quick. I believe it was

499
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Steve Miller who said it keeps ticking into the future

500
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: and there's no much about that. That's it. I love

501
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: that you talk about it in such a positive way,

502
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: and I know it can be quite disoriented because as

503
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: someone who came from the indie kind of side of

504
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: feelings to show up in this pop sensibility that's a

505
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: bit square Peggy round Holy sometimes is.

506
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was not a conformist at all in my life.

507
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: Like I was more like I'm going to be independent

508
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: almost like you know, this folk punk guy sometimes like

509
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: wild and you know whatever, you tell these stories, but

510
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: it's not.

511
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: For me.

512
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 2: That was more of the teenage child or the thing

513
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: that hadn't been self actualized yet, I guess.

514
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: And so habitat Shack. What part of the Sunshine Coast?

515
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: What part of the Sunshine Coast are we I'm guessing

516
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: it's less Maloulabar and more Molaney. I mean, oh man,

517
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: here we go, We're going there a little closer. Yeah mate,

518
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've spent I've done a retreated sheen resic.

519
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm all about it, mate, But I'm just guessing a

520
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: little less sand, a little more crystal probably, yeah, yeah, yeah,

521
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: it sounds fair figured out. Yeah. Also like having Dick

522
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: I was a neighbor. Yeah, he's up there and he's yeah, yeah,

523
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: but no, I understand. But what but the way you

524
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: speak about the way you speak about it, and it

525
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: boys in my heart to hear it, is that you've

526
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: clearly spent time investigating or what part do I play?

527
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: What's my role on this? What's the way I look

528
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: at this that has given me what I see? Yeah,

529
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: very hard to do because it's easy to go fuck

530
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: him and fuck that and Fox Spotify and you know,

531
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: how dare you show up? You know, YouTube. Yep, it's

532
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: your fault. Yeah, I'm not where I want to be.

533
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that, and obviously you have your days,

534
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: you know, especially now with all sorts of things where

535
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 2: you're really up against it as a musician. I mean,

536
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, I think there is so many ways.

537
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: To be heard.

538
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: But that's probably also a problem, like you know, like

539
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: it's everything polarity, you know, you know, so whatever you know.

540
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: But I for me is like I just keep if

541
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't create, you know, I am not whatever it is,

542
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: you know, if it's like like anything.

543
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a restless soul.

544
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 2: I've there, there is, there's this thing, and I've got

545
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: to make sure that everything has its you know. I

546
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: mean you can really create some beautiful work out of

547
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: the dark, you know, I guess. And but but really

548
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: staying there, you know, I mean, like it's beautiful to

549
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: see like again, like I said, mentioned the Catharsis music before,

550
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, like Nick Drake would be that, but there

551
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: is you can hear the beauty from it, you know,

552
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: and hear the beauty, so yeah, you have to dance

553
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: with it in order to create something that's unique, I

554
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: guess to you. Maybe you know but I don't know.

555
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to here, I am trying to describe something

556
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: that's unseen. So it's almost an after you got there.

557
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: So you've you know, getting ready for this.

558
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: I read something you've said that sometimes success can be

559
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: as disorienting as failure, and I'm wondering if he you know,

560
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: you've you've any career goes like this, Yeah, very really

561
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: to just go up into the right I was wondering

562
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: for might to talk about that a bit.

563
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this fear of failure for success, right, I think

564
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: I've had both in spades where I may have had

565
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: some big opportunities at some stages of my life and

566
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: I ran from it because I was probably running for

567
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: myself more so than running from the thing the opportunity,

568
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: you know. So it's sort of it's amazing to when

569
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: you look at it the timeline of your life and

570
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm you know, you probably notice now I'm at that stage,

571
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: you know, forty three where I'm like, oh, wow, what

572
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: have I done and what are my kids going to

573
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: grow up to see? And coming home from Nashville, you know,

574
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: I spent four years in Nashville and I had the

575
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: most amazing time, you know, I worked with the Nashville

576
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Ballet for a video. They choreographed to dance pieces to

577
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: some of my music. I just was like, this is insane.

578
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that was such a career highlight because

579
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: I was like, something I've written in a room not similar,

580
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, very similar to this sort of just you know,

581
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: very insula and introverted to. Then the whole entire National

582
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: Ballets this choreographed piece of that they've been working on

583
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: for a month. The head of the ballet there, you know,

584
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: curated this whole thing to us to two songs I'd written.

585
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like blows my mind, you know,

586
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: it's another thing that blows my mind. And music has

587
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: taken me everywhere all over the world. I probably would

588
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: never have traveled if I didn't have music in my life.

589
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: But I think like the fear of.

590
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Stepping over into the one thing as a chameleon like

591
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: I am, is that's probably the most terrifying thing, is

592
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: to just be boxed in, to really be boxed in

593
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: as the one thing. And I think that was the

594
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: one thing I struggled with with the West Car thing,

595
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 2: which is so funny. I'm talking as like it's somebody else,

596
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: it's me, I understand, but I guess throughout my thing,

597
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: I've had Buffalo Tales, which was like a folk anything

598
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: that I did with a made of mine stew Hunter,

599
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: who's incredible jazz musician in Sydney, trumble player that keep

600
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: oh yes, yes, yes, Stewe Hunter and Stuy and I

601
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: just locked ourselves in a in a room very similar

602
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: to this, and we just and I had all these

603
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: songs that I wanted to record, and I just released

604
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: it under a new name because I didn't know what

605
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: to do with this thing, you know. Yeah, And and

606
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: then and then after that, Nashville was Wesley Dean under

607
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: a whole other guys.

608
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: I moved to another country and calm myself a different

609
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: name and people go usher, hey, and that was it

610
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, yeah, this is actually pretty good. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

611
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: They people will take you on face value. What's it

612
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: feel like to It felt like for me, But what

613
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: did it feel like for you to to introduce yourself

614
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: as as Wesley Dean which is your middle name, and

615
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: have people go okay, great, yeah that a.

616
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: Lot of the time, A lot of the time, A

617
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: lot a lot of other time, especially here in Australia,

618
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: were like, but why, like, what are you calling yourself

619
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: this week?

620
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, like that kind of thing. I guess what

621
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm Yeah, I've heard tomorrow. It's like a fu off. No,

622
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: it's more the idea of the idea of that we

623
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: we sometimes operate on an identity that we either give

624
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: ourselves the one that has been given to us and

625
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: when we take ownership of what we're called the way

626
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I like to describe it, when people likeol, would you

627
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: change you name? And so do you have kids as well?

628
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: You've changed your name and it changes how you look

629
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: at the world. Yeah, there's a few small people in

630
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: your life. They're the only people who want to call

631
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: you this name. And when they call you dad, it

632
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: changes how you look at the world. Absolutely. Oh, it's

633
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 1: like yeah, absolutely, and that anyone can do it if

634
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: you want. You can change how you relate to yourself

635
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: tomorrow exactly. Changing how you relate to yourself and being

636
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: that to other people and believing it entirely. It completely

637
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: changes your experience of others and others go, well, okay,

638
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: you're a songwriter from Australia called Great come on in yep, yep,

639
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: and no one gives two hoots, but we can all

640
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: do that at any moment. That's right, exactly. Yeah.

641
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: It's the roles we play, isn't it. It's just these roles,

642
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: these masks, these these names, you know, all of it.

643
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: And for me, there was no real reason.

644
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: I just thought it was.

645
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: To be honest, I just thought it was a cool

646
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: chapter that I was about to do in my life.

647
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: You know.

648
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: We ended up moving at the height of the delta

649
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: wave in COVID, you know, which was like crazy. We

650
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: went over there, we got the opportunity and it was

651
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: like are we moving or aren't we? Okay, we're moving,

652
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: all right, Okay, let's do this.

653
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: And it was crazy.

654
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Like when I look back on it, I think, you know,

655
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: we had a two year old and a seven year

656
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: old at the time, and moving to Nashville in the

657
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: height of COVID, you know, it was like wow. And

658
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: then the whole new identity Wesley Dean and the whole

659
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: it's almost like a whole persona music, everything was all

660
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: brand new, different, but it was a really creative period

661
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: and I think for me, you know, personally, I got

662
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: to play the role to then go walk into rooms

663
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: like Garth Brooks's manager, you know, Bob Doyle, and just

664
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: go and play for him. And here I am a

665
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: brand new person. You wouldn't know that, but I'm I

666
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: in my soul, I am now embodying this brand new thing,

667
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: and therefore I am performing in a brand new way

668
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: or whatever that psychological thing that you do to yourself.

669
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that's what it is.

670
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: That's pretty much it. And then the brand becomes the

671
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: brand at the end because everyone perceives you. So it's yes,

672
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: it's overthinking because that's what I do. I love to overthink.

673
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: Mate, join the club. Where's this is overthinking? Is anonymous

674
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: over here? The other way? We've got more with wears

675
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: in just a moment. Also we'll talk about the final straw,

676
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: which made him pack up his life in Nashville and

677
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: return to Australia. While I've got you, story Club is

678
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: going from strength to strength. Last show was fantastic. It

679
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: was just last week. The next one's coming up in April.

680
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: If you want to see what story Club's all about,

681
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: to put a link in the show notes for the

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: YouTube page. And that's also we can buy tickets for

683
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: the next show, which is going to be an absolute cracker.

684
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: We're back with West Karen. Just the moment people listening

685
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: and watching it will be facing something that I understand

686
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: is significant if it does or does not go well,

687
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: What do you do in those moments? You've got your guitar,

688
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: You're walking into a room dry as fuck, like doubt,

689
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: there's no audience except this one person who holds the

690
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: puppa strings to the keys to a door. Yes, that

691
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: will open, and you know his network of the last

692
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: thirty years of success is yours. The next five minutes

693
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: of your life are incredibly consequential. What do you do

694
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: in that moment before the doormins? How do you send

695
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to yourself? Put me through it? Get a mate? How

696
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: are you the Australian? No, No, but that does help. No,

697
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: it's for me to be honest.

698
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: I treat I treated it like any other day, going in,

699
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: just making sure that I'm the most authentic, real version

700
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: of me. Even though I changed my name, but it's

701
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: still my name because it's a mo mimental name anyway.

702
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, but the for me getting in those rooms

703
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: and playing is like, you know, that's I guess that's

704
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: the biggest battle, is to just get an audience. To

705
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: get them to listen, get them to hear what you're

706
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: doing in your work.

707
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: How do you find that? How do you find the authenticity?

708
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: What do you do with nerves in those moments?

709
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: I get out of the guitar really early, and I

710
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: started a noodle on the guitar and just started to play,

711
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: and that sort of relaxes me. I think, when I

712
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: really think about it, I sort of regulate in that moment.

713
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: And then when they say, you know, what have you

714
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: got for us? You know, and then your brain then

715
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: scrambles and the thing that you were going to play

716
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: is not the thing that you never would play because

717
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: you know that the room does not want that song

718
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: right now. So then you scramble and you think, okay,

719
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: well what else have I got? And then like all

720
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it just all comes spills out in

721
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: the moment.

722
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: Forty five minute pub sets of no one listening. Yeah, yeah, no,

723
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I no, yeah, that's right.

724
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: You know, I've got eight hundred songs good to go

725
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: right now exactly exactly, you know, And like getting back

726
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: to like when I was a kid, you know, the

727
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: mantra was and the kind of the joke was.

728
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: I think I said it on idol.

729
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: I think once a cringe, but the joke was and

730
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: the mantra was, you know, you better make a bloody

731
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: a lot of money out of that because you're fucking

732
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: useless and everything else where is you know, and like

733
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: everyone said that to you know, at really early age,

734
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: probably right, you know, at what you know, So in

735
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: that moment, all of the all of it comes to

736
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: you and you go, right, fuck it. It's like, you

737
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: just got to do this thing. And it's it's like

738
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: that those scenes where they see Elvis or the not

739
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: Li likening myself to them, but Johnny Cash or those

740
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: guys where they go, okay, so you know, give us

741
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: what you got, and they're like, you know, and they

742
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: might play something that they don't want to hear and

743
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: then no, give us what you got. And there's this

744
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: in the Johnny Cash movie where he sings are Charla

745
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: man Reno you know that one. Yeah, it's sort of

746
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: like that authenticity, that truth, especially in a place like Nashville. Yeah,

747
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: they're going to smell it a mile away, you know,

748
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: so you've got to really be okay.

749
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: This is a song I wrote.

750
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: We gave away everything we had, we sold our house,

751
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: we put everything in on the line to come to

752
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: move to Nashville at the heart of COVID and here's

753
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: a song called Don't Look Back, you know, and that

754
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: usually hid in between the eyes, you know, And that

755
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: was the song where everyone in the town that kind

756
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: of opened opened the doors to me because I'd written

757
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: the song from a spot where it was just such

758
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: a raw, authentic knowingness, you know. And and that's something

759
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: you always want to achieve as an artist, you know,

760
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: And sometimes it just doesn't land in your lap, or

761
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: it doesn't land right. Yeah, And that's I think that's

762
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: probably when I'm talking about struggles before, that's the one.

763
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: I just always want to paint the picture the best

764
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: way I can, and sometimes it just doesn't Not.

765
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: Not everyone's going to write a song, But what can

766
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: you say about the effect, if any, of taking that.

767
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always a very frightening thing to do.

768
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: And you've obviously got a lot of support and that,

769
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, your wife says is like, Okay, I'm with you,

770
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: let's go is awesome and be terrifying, verifying, and there's

771
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: everything's on the line. What's the effect of writing it

772
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: down and getting the action as making the story as short,

773
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: as small as possible. As you said, what's the effect

774
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: of that? How? What does that do for the feelings

775
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: inside you? Because I'm not saying everyone's going to write

776
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: a song that's listening to watching, but I wonder if

777
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: they might be able to find, you know, a similar

778
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: kind of effect if they write some stuff down. For me,

779
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: I think.

780
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: I think everyone should really do something to get it out,

781
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: get anything, whether it's writing. It turns into what they

782
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: call automatic writing. When you start to write and you're

783
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: you know, you think, what am I doing this for?

784
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: You know, and then fifteen pages in you're just you're

785
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: not even thinking, and it's like here it is, It's

786
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: all coming out. You know, it's all of the purge,

787
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: the creative purge or whatever. That's pretty useful for a

788
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: lyrical moment or whatever, but for me, like for me,

789
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: I think my ways of reflection or whatever it is,

790
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: it's it's always I'm reflecting about something real and raw

791
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 2: in my life, and then it will come into any

792
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: kind of song that I create. I've tried writing the

793
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: Lucy and the Sky of diamonds and things, and you know,

794
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: it's fun for a while, but then it's like, what

795
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: is it about? You know, you know those sort of

796
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: like you know, like Bowie, he'd just write a word

797
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper.

798
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: This is what I've heard.

799
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, he'd write a word on a piece of paper

800
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: and he put it in the hat and then they

801
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: throw it up and then they put the words together

802
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: and then you know, boom to boom, you know whatever.

803
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: You know fashion did you know whatever?

804
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: As Rick James said, Cocaine's a hell of a drunk.

805
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love that, by the way, I love

806
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: that technique. But for me, it's having been in a

807
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: place in Nashville where I started really doubling down on

808
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: the lyrical because that's what it is over there. So

809
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: like lyrical based on you know, they need to hear

810
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: a song it that hits differently, and it's got to

811
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: have like a double entendre and all this sort of stuff.

812
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: And I and I had to be honest, was like, again,

813
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a conformist.

814
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm not doing that. I've just

815
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: got to do my thing. But I understand. So are

816
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: you saying, oh, what the country song? I hate every

817
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: bart in your body, but mine isn't talking about a

818
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: skeleton I don't know, I've never heard it never what's

819
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: that one? I just remember the name of it and

820
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: on the radio I had a thing like when I

821
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: lived over there, I spent a lot of time in

822
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: like Utah, Yeah, like skiing and somebody, yeah, I love

823
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: you to drive to the mountains a lot, and always

824
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: try to find that in the in the words of

825
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: what's that record? Wideswring tremolo, switching over to AM, searching

826
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: for the truest sound, always trying to find the AM

827
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: country record station because they are playing the highway music

828
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: that you're looking for. And I remember hearing that on

829
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: the radio. Someone It's like, what damn, that's uh. But

830
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: how do you if you're writing your heavy emotions down

831
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: on paper, does that help be less heavy? Does it

832
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: help you process them?

833
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then you take that big idea or that

834
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: big thing creation, creative, you know, purge and just simplify

835
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: until it then is you know, maybe a verse in

836
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: the chorus and the happy days.

837
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: You know from I'm like talking about how you walk

838
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: through your day, the fear of bringing your family to

839
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: another country in the middle of COVID in the south,

840
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: who maybe not be that end of vaccines, the theory.

841
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: You know, you're sending your kids to schools where they today,

842
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: we're going to do an active shooter drill. You fucking

843
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: would like, does that help those things get out of

844
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: your body? So not walking around? Yeah? So yeah, we.

845
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: Man like four years in America and I feel like

846
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: every three to six weeks there was something that was

847
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: like major that we had to navigate as a family

848
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: at four you know, from the well at the times

849
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Sunny Coast, you know, and back there now you know,

850
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: but kids at school over there, and you know, as

851
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: us Aussies, you know, we don't have the shootings and things,

852
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: you know. And so there was one at the time

853
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: seven minutes down the road from where we lived and

854
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: where our kids went to school, you know and out

855
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: of school.

856
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: Out of school, Yeah, at a school that was.

857
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: Only very very very close to you know, it's on

858
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: the other side, but seven minutes down the road.

859
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: Because I know, because I was like, fuck, you know,

860
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: and dropping our kids back to school after that had

861
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: happened was probably one of the fucking.

862
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: I just I still don't even know how to process

863
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: that one. Like that was like I was like, what

864
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: am I fucking what am I? Doing like I'm selfish

865
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: prep being here, like why why we come from you know, like,

866
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: to be honest, it was paradise. This is parently paradise

867
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: and and and yeah, Australia. I I we were there

868
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: three and a half years. And don't get me wrong,

869
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: I love America. I love America. I think America is

870
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 2: incredible in so many ways, you know, and then invented music.

871
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: I was there for music, you know, art culture and

872
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: all that. But that that day dropping our kids off

873
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: and there was like an armed guard at the thing

874
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: and the dogs and you know, and you're in the

875
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: line at school and you're like, fucking hell. It was

876
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: just just out of control, just out of control.

877
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: Weird for me. I sort of still get a little

878
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: bit like what the fuck.

879
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: But I, you know, coming back after three and a

880
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: half years, I looked around. We came back for a

881
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a holiday, like, but we just hadn't

882
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: seen our family for so long. Yeah, And I was

883
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: at the stage of burnout definitely, because I've just been

884
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 2: going the whole time I've been there, just go go, go, go,

885
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: go go go. I had a big beard, long hair,

886
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: looked pretty much like Chris stableson basically, you know, And

887
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: and some of my friends looked at me and like

888
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: you right, mate, you know, I wasn't probably as healthy

889
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: as I left, and I left like seventy kilos and

890
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: I came home about a hundre, so.

891
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: You know, and I was big porsches there. Yeah.

892
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: It was just it was stress, to be honest, it

893
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: was stress for just trying to do this thing as

894
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: a ten year town We've been there three and a

895
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: half years.

896
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: Everyone kept saying, wait your turn, I gotta do this,

897
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta do you.

898
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Know, wait your turn. We love what you do, but

899
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: wait you turn. This is a ten year town man,

900
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: you know, like blah blah. So it's this thing, and

901
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: it's a wrestle and a creative wrestle, and everything's coming

902
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: at you and you're having meetings and it's just amazing.

903
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: And I love America in that way where everything's possible everything,

904
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 2: and that's why I love, you know. But then there's

905
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: these shootings and then there's these things that you're just like,

906
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: what is going on? And we took a trip across

907
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: America and an RV too, by the way, and we

908
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: saw all of America and our tour and everything, and

909
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: there were places where with our kids, and when you

910
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: have kids, it heightens everything.

911
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Anyway.

912
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was points where I thought, am I just

913
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: being silly because you know, I'm just I'm just hyper

914
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: aware now of my children and keeping them, you know. Anyway,

915
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: So I got back home and the native trees, the cooker,

916
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: Burroughs's everything, and I was like, oh yeah, I literally

917
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I stopped crying for like, and like,

918
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not a crier, you know, when I

919
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: watched movies and stuff like I hold an idiot. Now

920
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm cry a bit more, but I just this is

921
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: this country is just the most incredible place on earth.

922
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: I think, you know, that's my humble opinion. But then

923
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: you know, then you look at the music, and you

924
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: look at our culture and you look out like everything

925
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: around us is just incredible. So when we eventually moved home,

926
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: I became a gardener, and I've been so last year.

927
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: I just that's why I was so interested in what

928
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: you watch to do it because it's like I've just

929
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: now been gardening. I found a gardening mentor on the

930
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: Sunshine Coast. I've been out working with him. I've been

931
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: shoveling malts I've been designed, you know, mulching mainly, and

932
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: pulling out weeds and mowing and you know, and just

933
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: being literally you know, it sounds so corny, but just

934
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: literally being at one with the the Earth, the planet

935
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: that this beautiful place to really regulate me back to

936
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: Earth again and now I get to see the reality

937
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: of Wow, what what would you? We just walk through

938
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: where we what we did and it didn't happen to us.

939
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: It was an amazing opportunity. But to have to set

940
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: tasks every day and complete them and to be involved

941
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: in literally digging holes in the earth, the everything else

942
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: you can now your brain can program, you know, whereas

943
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: if you only have the creative and the surreal and whatever,

944
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: you live in that world. But there's no safety in

945
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: that as well for you, for yourself. So it's really

946
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: so last year I sort of took a year off,

947
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: even though I played the CMA's in Nashville and I

948
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: did like four or five festivals, whatever, I had a

949
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: year off of music where I didn't when I gardened,

950
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: I never listened to music. I didn't want to listen

951
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: to music. I didn't want to be anywhere near it.

952
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: Not in a go away type thing, but just like

953
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: who am I without this thing? Ah? And now I'm

954
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: starting and literally this is like the first thing I've

955
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: done for so long where I'm like, I feel pretty

956
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: comfortable with like chatting to you and safe and whatever.

957
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: But also it's like I'm beginning again and you know,

958
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: the whole name change and.

959
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: Whatever, and you know I talk about name changes is

960
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: kind of the right place.

961
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's another thing you know you're never

962
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: going to say to you call yourself this week, But

963
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: you know, I like it's amazing how I've just like

964
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: come like for me personally. You know, it's like I've

965
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: just done this dance for so long since idle with

966
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: all these different creative outlets and all these things, searching, searching, running,

967
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: probably mainly running, running, running from whoever whatever, you know,

968
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: And then I've realized that where am I going from?

969
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: What am I scared of? And now sort of come

970
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: back home.

971
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: I just want to like get on with it, but

972
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: like lying in the sand, begin again, as you know,

973
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: here I am, where's car forty three? And I've realized, shit,

974
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: oh that was just all learning, all growth and everything experienced,

975
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: good and bad from your own perception is like the

976
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: best juice to become as long as anyone is health.

977
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: As long as everyone's healthy, everyone's happy. I'm happy, you know.

978
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: And so yeah, and you know, I've called one of

979
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: my mates, who was in a show called Rolling Thunder

980
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: with and I said, do you want to be like manager?

981
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: Tom's sitting out there, you know as we speak, you know,

982
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: and Tom I met twelve years ago on a show.

983
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: We were both singers together. And it's like, I just

984
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: want to work with.

985
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: People that.

986
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: A good people, friends of mine, and we just have

987
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: fun doing it and that really that's but I've gone

988
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: everywhere to find that out.

989
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: I feel like that anyway, you know. But it's so yeah,

990
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: and that's what you do. I guess in life you

991
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: have to go there.

992
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: You have to set sail for however many years in

993
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: order to realize that actually where you were was actually

994
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: pretty good. Man.

995
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: I I can so relate to that I was. I

996
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: was just reflecting on why I moved back to Australia.

997
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: I'd already met Ordering and Georgia about a year and

998
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: a half beforehand, and it was the end of twenty fifteen. Yeah,

999
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's stopped hiring people who are great at doing

1000
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: live television, Do do live television. I lost a job

1001
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: to Mario Atpez was an actor, Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

1002
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I lost a job to John Cena as

1003
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: a TV host. Why choose him? I don't know, you

1004
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: can't even see him. It's terrible wrestling. And I was like,

1005
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not going to get I'm not going

1006
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: to get a gig here. So I started pitching formats

1007
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of meetings and things were

1008
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: moving and it was pretty good. Then I was like,

1009
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: hang on, even if I got green lit, even if

1010
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: I've got a shop, even if I sold it across territories,

1011
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: is it as good as dancing around the living room

1012
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: putting up the Christmas tree with Georgia and Audrey? No exactly,

1013
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: and like that. Yeah. I was like, okay, I'm out.

1014
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: They couldn't fucking believe it. They couldn't believe it when

1015
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: I gave my green card back. Yeah, what do you

1016
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: mean you want to give it back? People walk across

1017
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: deserts for this. Yeah, I know, and one of them

1018
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: should have it. I don't need it anymore.

1019
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, dude, I yeah, I as.

1020
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm so Australian.

1021
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of one of my things is

1022
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: like I really am so Ausy, like oh gosh, just

1023
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: and my and my wife is too, I think in

1024
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: other wise I can't really speak for her, but I

1025
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: think we went over there.

1026
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: We were just these like.

1027
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, funny story, if you've got a

1028
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: quick story. There was a night that the parents of

1029
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: school and it was game night, and game night was

1030
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: just let's all sit around watch the game and have

1031
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, like a few drinks whatever and nibbles. And

1032
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: we interpreted it as game night as we're a team,

1033
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: where so we're going to be the Australian team because

1034
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: we're branded in this town as the Aussies right in

1035
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: this at the school. So we dress up, we go

1036
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: the four we dress up as Kola's and get to

1037
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: game night and they're like, dude, what's with the squirrel uniform?

1038
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: You know what's like?

1039
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: And we walked around at this getting trying to win

1040
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: friends and influence people at the same time, trying to

1041
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: win win them over.

1042
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: They mean, come over because it's Monday night. We're just

1043
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna watch the feb game night. Yeah, it was just

1044
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: normal game night. On my head, I'm like, we're gonna

1045
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: play scrabble. We're gonna play you know, let's go. I thought, yeah,

1046
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: game night.

1047
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 2: Man, we're a team, and they're gonna there's every husband

1048
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: and wife's are all going to be teams. So we're

1049
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: gonna go, like, let's go. If we're gonna do it,

1050
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: let's go squirrels.

1051
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1052
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: And so my friend, now, yeah, he's brilliant. He's like, dude,

1053
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: what's with the squirrel uniform? You knows, just with.

1054
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: Spring's like, come on, man, what doing?

1055
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: And so we were there like hooray, you know, oh man,

1056
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 2: so embarrassing, you know, but I guess, you know, we would.

1057
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: We're just I don't know, I don't know why I

1058
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: brought that one up, but it just the naivety of

1059
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: us also committed, absolutely committed.

1060
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but yeah, I guess, like you know, I

1061
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: was just have this certain way about him.

1062
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: I think, you know that, like it's just really down

1063
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: to earth and vainley and just with this carefree type place.

1064
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: And that's I love that.

1065
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: I love that, and I think that's what I miss

1066
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: the most, is just I missed that sort of care freething.

1067
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, but I don't want this to

1068
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: come across as on you know, go oh man America,

1069
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: because America for me is like the pinnacle of art

1070
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: and music and that's why I was there.

1071
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: I want to be sure that people understand. Yeah, and

1072
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: I know my experience. What do you here in Australia.

1073
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: We only see the parts of America that get broadcast

1074
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't

1075
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: see what it's like to be there. And you mentioned

1076
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: it before, the potential of possibility, Like for you, what

1077
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: are the things that people here don't see about America? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1078
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: I I loved it.

1079
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: You are, you know, if you're if you're sort of

1080
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: offering something that's kind of I guess exciting or brand

1081
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: new or a different take on And where I came

1082
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: from was you know, I'm not a country musician. Really,

1083
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I was a country musician, but I

1084
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: ended up in Nashville and it's a country town, but

1085
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: it's also an R and B town. It's also it's

1086
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: the capital of music, you know, and it's so exciting.

1087
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: Everyone flocks there to get heard, be seen, play the

1088
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: big festivals, everything, and I really really enjoy that and

1089
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: I love that, and I love that music is on

1090
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: every corner of every street. And you go to millionaire's

1091
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: row down the road and wherever Franklin or wherever else

1092
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: out in that place out there where they're all the

1093
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: and you think lawyers and accountants and doctors a little

1094
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: bit where they're all songwriters.

1095
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Most of them they're living in these thirty million dollar homes,

1096
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: and you're like.

1097
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible for a boy from Elizabeth and Adelaide,

1098
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: you know, has a netwright. For me, I've never seen

1099
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: that type of wealth before from music, you know, firsthand

1100
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: or whatever. You get invited over to people's houses and

1101
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: you're like, wow, this is insane and I love that

1102
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: about it, and they celebrate your music.

1103
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: But it also is the biggest grind.

1104
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: It's also you need to get on a bus and

1105
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: spend half your life on a bus touring and through

1106
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: America in all sorts of weather, away from your wife

1107
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: and kids. There's that reality as well, and it can

1108
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: be a very lonely typic existence, and songwriting especially is

1109
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: a lonely existence.

1110
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: All I know about Nashville I've learned from the songs

1111
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: about Nashville, most of them from Hank Williams. Three, Let's

1112
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: remember terrible people make great art, but the very kind

1113
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: of pop era pop country stuff. He often writes about

1114
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: how not good it is. But there's this, it's a

1115
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: huge system, and much like in Los Angeles where it's

1116
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: a huge system or what, there's also the bottom feeders,

1117
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: the piranhas, who exploit those who are there and who

1118
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: are vulnerable. Let's not just to say it doesn't happen here.

1119
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: I've well and truly been explorited in my life. I

1120
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: did not know what was happening in way too late,

1121
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: and I don't wonder is that go on there as well?

1122
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: I think, Look, I think it happens in every industry.

1123
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: You know. I don't know that, but I do.

1124
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lot of good and bad in

1125
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: everything you do, I guess, but yeah, the I think

1126
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: art is one thing. Commerce is another right, you know,

1127
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: and it's always a battle between the two. You try

1128
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: and you want to be the artist, but someone wants

1129
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: to sell it and whatever, and then you can come

1130
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: across the desperation. Once anybody gets desperate, that kills the art,

1131
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: doesn't it, you know?

1132
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Like b oh, yeah, people people I remember being after

1133
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: I got divorced, had the sniff of it, and I

1134
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: used to be in My friend Charlie would always say,

1135
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: it's a fast yes or a slow no yep, And

1136
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: it was always a fast yes when I was in

1137
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: the room. I was good in the room. Ah had

1138
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: I started a bit like I didn't closing the room?

1139
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: What's up?

1140
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: Oh?

1141
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: I wreaked it, I wrecked If please hire me because

1142
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: my wife will be over if you don't get the job.

1143
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sucks, Yeah yeah it does. But look,

1144
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: you know it also again it's so much positive about it,

1145
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: and you realize that maybe you're not on the right path.

1146
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: Are you going to work out? What am I in this?

1147
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: What part do I play? How do you find? How

1148
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: do you notice when you're not on the right path?

1149
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: What are the signs that you go? Hang on a second? Here,

1150
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: I thought I was making the right call.

1151
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: Here, I remember a long time ago, a very yeah.

1152
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: I won't mention their names or anything, but I remember

1153
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: a mentor of mine. We're growing up, you know, probably

1154
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: one of the first person I looked up to as

1155
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: a successful guy, you know, or person who and I

1156
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: and they said, you're going to learn, You're going to

1157
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: have to learn how to say no, and I said

1158
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: no a lot, like I did say no a lot,

1159
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: and I think I said no too much sometimes, you know,

1160
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't.

1161
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you know? Because it's all

1162
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, who knows? But I.

1163
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: What I have for me is like I needed to

1164
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: protect a certain version of myself that that I conjured

1165
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: up when I was really young. So as a like

1166
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: an adult, you know, and you're still hanging on to

1167
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: those dreams as a kid. You know, it's hard to

1168
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: navigate because you're like, well, what would that kid say?

1169
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: But well, hang on, that kid didn't know anything. He

1170
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: didn't realize that. You know, you don't realize that that

1171
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: kid doesn't know anything until a long time in and

1172
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, some of these things that I have

1173
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: constructed my decisions on were the eight year old version

1174
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: of me that just wanted to play Wembley Stadium, you know,

1175
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: and and you know, sing and dance and be married.

1176
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: But that path is there's a whole lot of sacrifice.

1177
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: There's a whole lot of stuff you have to go

1178
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: through in order to get there. Probably I don't know

1179
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: what you want to have A life changes you know, yeah,

1180
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 2: that's right, and twists in terms of life. You get married,

1181
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: you have kids, your everything changes, and and for me

1182
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: they're my everything, like my my two boys.

1183
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: My wife is like we have.

1184
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: You know, like just like yourself, moved countries and we've

1185
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: experienced so much in such a short period of time

1186
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: together that it's like it's incredible to be able to

1187
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: reflect on that some days and in the bad days,

1188
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, when you go, oh fuck, there's some fair

1189
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: and whatever. You know, well, look at these two over here,

1190
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, playing in the on the beach, you know,

1191
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: mid Noosa.

1192
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: It's like.

1193
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: You've got no worries, mate, it's so like these it's

1194
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: all about them anyway, you know. So it's not it's

1195
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: yeah that that the old ego. It's brilliant. It's a

1196
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: brilliant thing, isn't it.

1197
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: You know what would you say the role that your

1198
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: wife has in it's because she could have just said, oh,

1199
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: you've got a great landscaping job. Where's great? Yeah, absolutely,

1200
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: this is where we are now. Yeah, and this is

1201
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: I can see how the business might work, and I

1202
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: can see how he can get a franchise, and this

1203
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: is where yeah, because I'm done with this kind of

1204
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: I transitional thing. I guess you kind of like it

1205
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: because she's also from a seasonal industry. She's an actor.

1206
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: She understands the work comes back, guys, and she understands

1207
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: the output. Yeah. What would you say about the role

1208
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: that your wife's had and the support that she's given

1209
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: you and all this? She is superwoman in so many ways.

1210
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: She has ridden the darkest periods of my life with me,

1211
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: and she's you know, there's been times where you know,

1212
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: like I've just been like I don't can't walk outside

1213
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: the house.

1214
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: I just don't want to be you know.

1215
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: So I have had that, you know, and the anxiety

1216
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: all my life in a depression, all the things that creatives.

1217
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: It's just it's almost goes hand in hand these days, you.

1218
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: Know, everybody not these days. It's always been there for it.

1219
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now we talk about it, I guess, you know.

1220
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: But Ard, for me is like the most amazing person

1221
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: because she just she has a way about her too.

1222
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: She knows when I'm going there, it's like oh over here,

1223
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like bang, okay, great. She helds

1224
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: me account you know, there's accountability. There's a structure in

1225
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: the way she supports me and loves me. We're an

1226
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: incredible team together. And she ended up running a lot

1227
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: of the ship over there in America, and everyone called

1228
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 2: her christ Jenna because she's just like just like she's like, right,

1229
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: you're right, this is what's going to happen. By the

1230
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: end of the year, we're going to be working with

1231
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: the Nashville Ballet or yes, what you know.

1232
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: Wow.

1233
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: So she's incredible, but she's also an amazing actor, artist herself,

1234
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: incredible lyricist, you know, and she's she really is so

1235
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 2: much better in so many ways than I I could

1236
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: ever be in so many ways, you know, And I

1237
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: think I've learned all of my great lessons with her.

1238
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean I met her the year we were the

1239
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: year of one Idol, I met her in January, and

1240
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: one Idol in November. So we we've been together from

1241
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 2: all through all of that, you know, into the crash landing.

1242
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: You know, I guess that you go through it when

1243
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: you go up that high and then get to it,

1244
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, then you know, moving in covid and having

1245
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: two boys and all the things.

1246
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: And she's just created a TV a show.

1247
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: And won a competition up in the Sunshine coast called

1248
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: Showdown where they're creating a show at the moment, and

1249
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: so she's going back to acting again, you know, almost

1250
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: full time, I think, you know, because so many years

1251
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: she was in Nashville and there was a lot of like,

1252
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going hard now, you know, and Shah

1253
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: basically was just that, you know, and and okay, okay, honey,

1254
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: you know, and that takes so much sacrifice and so

1255
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: so much.

1256
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: Just power.

1257
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: Like she's just an incredible conveying So, you know, being

1258
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: back in Australia together, we're working out who we are

1259
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: again in the country, you know, in our favorite beautiful

1260
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: country here. But for me, you know, having someone much,

1261
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have survived, to be honest.

1262
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: That she's just like my absolutely everything, to be honest,

1263
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: you know. So and and my boys are incredible. My

1264
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: thirteen year old now I can't believe I'm a teenager

1265
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: and my seven year old. They're both unbelievable personalities and

1266
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, surfing and all that. So it's just like

1267
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: I am so lucky, Like I'm just like the most

1268
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: blessed man. You know.

1269
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: Well there's the album title mate, the most blessed Man.

1270
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: There you go there, you go so all there, It's

1271
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: actually be good. You're welcome. Yeah, you know I put

1272
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: and R and a business card? Did I waffle on

1273
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: too long? Sure? Whatever? But what would you say to

1274
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: do what you're doing, to have all of you put

1275
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: it all on the table, go to Nashville decide? And

1276
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: I understand why, and I totally, I totally get. I

1277
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: got a mate of mine who they're like, how are

1278
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: you in Australian gave this. I'm like, my kid, they

1279
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: did an active shooter drill. They said it was a bear.

1280
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: Let's pretend when a bear is coming. It's like, I

1281
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: don't know how fuck I would talk my kids through that. Yeah,

1282
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: But to come to come back here and go I've

1283
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: got it, like to go to decide, as you just

1284
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,479
Speaker 1: said before, everything was learning. Now I get to start.

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01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: For a lot of people forty three, they might be thinking, well,

1286
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm cooked. I've done seventeen years till you know, got

1287
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: seventeen more years to fill the super and then I

1288
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: just choose a gig and that shit. Yeah, what would

1289
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: you say to people about the willingness to do that?

1290
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: To start at forty three?

1291
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: Like for me, I just have to right like it's

1292
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: just it's just a it's a non negotiable in a way.

1293
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1294
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: I think there could have been there could have been times,

1295
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: you know where I just like, just don't get out

1296
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: of bed. There could have been those times and stuff.

1297
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: But I did every day just buck this, I'm getting

1298
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: out of bed and just let's go, you know.

1299
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: And so and those those were the moments, and that

1300
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: was all me. It was.

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: It was nothing external, you know, it was all just

1302
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: just the whole thing.

1303
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: Right.

1304
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: So to start again, it's like almost like every day

1305
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: is to start again, you know, Like coming here was

1306
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: a start again moment for me, Like it's actually something

1307
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: that you I'm just probably another guest, but for me,

1308
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: being here is like the biggest full circle moment. I

1309
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: was talking on the way here, fucking hell, Like that's

1310
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: been what sixteen years or whatever since that.

1311
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you read my name out right.

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01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: Eventually eventually read your name out eventually, yeah, and and

1313
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 5: I yeah, I'm not the most remembered and blah blah

1314
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 5: blah blah blah.

1315
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and all that kind of thing. But

1316
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: I was one of the winners in that period of time,

1317
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: you know, the early late naughties, right, and people sort

1318
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: of know my name when I turn up and garden people.

1319
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: I knew that guy.

1320
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of that going on

1321
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: at the moment because that's that's my reality. But that's

1322
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: not the because I have to do it because I

1323
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: need to do it in order to It's just where

1324
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm at right.

1325
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: With gunning.

1326
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: But for me, that's teaching me how to that's that's

1327
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: fueling my creativity again. And I'm almost like rebuilding this

1328
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: thing which is probably the most authentic part of me,

1329
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: and it's gotten. It's taken me this long to get

1330
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: to a part where I always thought I always wore

1331
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: the maskt Oh, I'm an authentic musician, I'm an authentic

1332
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: this And here's a song, right, and the song comes

1333
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: from an authentic part of me. But it was always

1334
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 2: like I was almost like trying to whatever that was,

1335
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: that this thing that I was trying to embody wasn't

1336
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: really the authentic part.

1337
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: Now I know.

1338
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: Now I see that like it's like there's been It's

1339
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: almost like there's a massive mirror and I think that's

1340
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: what comes as a It's not a mid life crisis,

1341
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 2: it's a big you know, it's like that ariage.

1342
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: Park in the driveway that's the middle of crisis.

1343
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, the mirror that comes up to you

1344
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: at around this age.

1345
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Yeah, but.

1346
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: It's like I want to be able to say to

1347
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: my kids, I've done all of this, and then at

1348
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: forty three, that ten year period, I did this, this

1349
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 2: and this and this, and it kind of almost recalibrated

1350
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: or something within myself in order to be the most

1351
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: of anybody me. I don't know what it is, mate,

1352
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: I haven't lived it yet, I guess, but it's like

1353
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. I really know how to answer.

1354
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: Your answered pretty clearly, but I think you might not

1355
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: realize it is that you can't not do it. Yeah,

1356
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: I cannot do it. I reckon If you could not

1357
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: do it and you're comfortable going, all right, my dream

1358
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: of opening the cupcake shop is done. Here I go. No,

1359
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to hang on shingle up on LinkedIn. Enough,

1360
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: I go and be happily say I could happily not

1361
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: do cupcakes forever. Ye great, yep, Yeah, part of me

1362
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: wars kind of wishes I could do that. Yeah, yeah,

1363
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: he really does. Yeah, I can't. I don't know how

1364
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: to do anything else, and I can't do any I've

1365
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: tried doing other things. I fall asleep at the desk.

1366
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: I'm no good at it. Yeah, this is the only

1367
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: thing I know how to do it and I can't

1368
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: not do it. And I think you're wired for this,

1369
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, you vibrate for this or whatever you

1370
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: do and this. I try to find ways that doing

1371
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing brings income. Yeah, because we live in

1372
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: a world that requires money for food. Yes, we can't

1373
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: grow as much as we need yet yep. Yeah. But yeah,

1374
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: but then might not necessarily be becoming, you know, a

1375
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: singer songwriter to liasing other record It might be I'm

1376
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna be the lawn bowling I can't not be. I'm

1377
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna be. I'm going to represent New South Wales at

1378
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: lawn bowls. Yeah, you're going to do it. Yeah, I'm

1379
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: going to. You know, this is how much training I'm

1380
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: going to do. Is what I'm going to do because

1381
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: I can't not do it. I can't stop thinking about it.

1382
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: And I get a feeling when I can m yes, yep.

1383
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: I can't get it for anything else. Yeah, great, yep.

1384
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we find that thing in ourselves, Yeah,

1385
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: for sure, and be reasonable about it. Yeah, you've got kids,

1386
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: you've got people who depend on you. You can't be

1387
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: an idiots. Yeah, exactly. But there's such fulfillment in pursuing that,

1388
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: because why else are we here? Man? Absolutely?

1389
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And you know the old Tony Robbins quote

1390
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: is successful out fulfill woman is the ultimate failure, you know, and.

1391
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: You go, sure, yeah, right, sure as possible. But yeah,

1392
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: like you know, I always think about that a lot.

1393
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, do I feel what? You know? What am

1394
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: I doing here? Is this? Is this the right thing?

1395
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 2: And maybe you don't know at the time, but if

1396
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 2: you feel, if there's a feeling that, you know, you're

1397
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: on the right track whatever, I don't know. With a song,

1398
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 2: you always feel it. When you feel it, you get

1399
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 2: the goosebumps. You know, Okay, you're you're good. You know,

1400
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if no one else likes it. If

1401
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: you if you get it, you like it whatever, you know.

1402
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: But I reckon that is as an audience member, if

1403
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm watching a person performing and I see that they're

1404
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: feeling it, I mean, yeah, infectious, I really yeah. Otherwise

1405
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: you're the person in the corner of a pub with

1406
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: attack of meaning and drum machine reading an iPad. Yep,

1407
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't feel out, no no no, I feel no

1408
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: no no. When I'm seeing people pull shapes and make

1409
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: the faces and like, yeah, you're making that face in

1410
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: front of a room full of people because you can't

1411
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: not make can't make Yeah, that's right. You can't bend

1412
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: that note without going that's right? All right? Yeah, I mean,

1413
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's it beautiful. You just want people to

1414
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: see people enjoying themselves because we vibrate on that. And

1415
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what you know, the next phase the

1416
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: music that you're making now and you're going forward. I'm

1417
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: sure that's what people need to get. Yeah, absolutely, I yeah,

1418
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm just it's the whole next chapter of me. You know.

1419
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 2: I've like, you know, there's been times where people have

1420
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: like sent things on Instagram whatever to me, I'm.

1421
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: Gone, where have you gone? Where is this? Where is

1422
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: where's car? You know? Where is this?

1423
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: And and I'm like, i don't know myself to be

1424
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 2: honest that, you know, Like I'm just like I'm searching.

1425
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of you know, give me a minute. Yeah, yeah,

1426
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, let me. Let me tell you

1427
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: where I went. You know, Oh that's a song I

1428
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: want to hear. Let me tell you where I went.

1429
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: I like that one too. It's good. Let me tell you.

1430
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: They're all yours, mate, they're all yours. Thanks for coming in, man,

1431
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: thanks for having that was Where's car? I mean, what

1432
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: a guy, What a wonderful guy. There's something about a

1433
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: person who has found humility and has embraced humility. It's

1434
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: just so freeing, it's so brilliant. It was wonderful to

1435
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: spend time with him. When you watch the video, and

1436
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: we've got a YouTube channel. All the episodes are on YouTube.

1437
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: When you when you see the video, like he looks

1438
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: literally like he's just walked in off the job site.

1439
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: He's wearing the you know, the landscaper short sleeve. He

1440
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: had his boots, didn't have gators, but he could have

1441
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: just had him in his pocket. But yeah, he won't

1442
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: need to put on any new clothes when he goes

1443
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: on stage at the Big Red Bash in Birdsville, which

1444
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,879
Speaker 1: is some great gigs, well worth a drive in Birdsville

1445
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: in July is a Big Red Bash, and there's a

1446
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: Monday Bash in August. All the info you can find

1447
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: in the show notes. Wes is also having a really

1448
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: fun time writing songs on Instagram. He's a lovely human being.

1449
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: Get a bit of Where's Car into your life. It's delightful.

1450
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: He told me the most horrific joke. We're taking a

1451
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: photo in my driveway and his manager Tom, he was

1452
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: rolling video. I said, you're rolling. He guys are rolling,

1453
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: And I said, where's what are you doing in my driveway?

1454
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: Without a beat, where he goes, I'm a car. Oh

1455
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: my god. Once the parenthood starts, the dad jokes just flow.

1456
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do about it. It was amazing.

1457
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being a part of this episode.

1458
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: There's a newsletter that you can get get on the

1459
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: mailing list. All the links are in the show notes

1460
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: for that for story Club. If this show was fun

1461
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: for you, like it, subscribe it, rate it, follow it,

1462
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: Tell a friend, Tell a friend. Thanks for Damian Hafferdan

1463
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: for making the show today. Thank you for Cassidy Creeby

1464
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: for helping me be where I said I would be.

1465
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: I'll see you on Monday.