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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris and this is straight talk Cody Simpson. Well,

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Speaker 1: and straight talk.

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Speaker 2: Swimming was the first thing I remember being good at.

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Speaker 3: The coaches and the people that I had there, really

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Speaker 3: believed by it would be able to go all the

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Speaker 3: way with it. But at the same time I was

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Speaker 3: loving music and practicing guitar, and so I had these

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Speaker 3: sort of dual interests. And then I cut swimming short

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Speaker 3: because I was given a massive opportunity to young age

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Speaker 3: to pursue music. I started traveling and touring by myself

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Speaker 3: from sixteen.

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Speaker 2: It did wonders for me as a musician.

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Speaker 3: But you start going out to clubs because they're letting

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Speaker 3: you in, you know, drinking and drugs, and that's a

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Speaker 3: serious level of freedom for a kid that age.

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Speaker 1: That's a time of mistake.

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Speaker 3: Statement they did happen?

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Speaker 4: Did you ever get like chronically close to stuffing things up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, a few times it was sliding and what

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Speaker 3: pulls you back swimming to save my life in a

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Speaker 3: sense when I left entertainment to go stare at the

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Speaker 3: black line again, having gone from doing nothing to that

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Speaker 3: in nine months time, it was a lot of vomiting

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Speaker 3: in that period. I said I'm going to go for it,

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Speaker 3: because if I don't, it's going to be too late.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to live with those what ifs, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, if you've got your now partner, Emma, Yeah, two

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Speaker 4: great athletes. I'm just sort of imagining the genetics.

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Speaker 3: Coach is waiting for.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, Cody Simpson, straight talk, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Hey, going you have on all? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And how are you feeling now.

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Speaker 4: That you were at the Olympics that you weren't competing.

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Speaker 4: But you're at the Olympics and you come back from

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Speaker 4: from France. You probably stopped training after the Colf Games,

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Speaker 4: after the trial.

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Speaker 3: Tries this year, about two months ago, three months ago.

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Speaker 1: Now have you been have you done any training?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Jim and just I built such good habits over

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Speaker 3: the last three or four years that, you know, it

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Speaker 3: was it felt strange to just stop entirely. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm still sort of regularly exercising in that but thing

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Speaker 3: like I was, it's not as acting a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot more sleep ins.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's probably fair to start off because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know how it all works.

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Speaker 4: So what's the routine look like for someone who's preparing

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Speaker 4: for Olympic trials.

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Speaker 1: Then let's let's go back. Let's go back Comic games. Yep,

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Speaker 1: you did very well, thank you very very well.

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Speaker 4: And and then then you just hear that, well, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm one of the contenders. I'm going to I want

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Speaker 4: to go. I want to make sure I go to

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Speaker 4: the limbus in Paris. I've got to get to these times,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know what the times are. When do

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Speaker 4: you start training, you have a break after come games,

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Speaker 4: or you just get straight back in the pool.

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Speaker 2: No, not really, like you you.

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Speaker 3: Swimming is one of those really unforgiving sports where if

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Speaker 3: you take more than we're probably allowed two maybe three

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Speaker 2: Training, and that means seven days a week or six

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Speaker 3: But if you're doing it right by Sunday, you're begging

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Speaker 3: for You're begging for that Sunday to go, and you

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Speaker 3: kind of need to then be doing very very little

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Speaker 3: Saturday is pretty nasty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we just give me a bit of a

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Speaker 4: up of just getting kilometers under belts?

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Still? You still got to get

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Speaker 3: A sense like you want to build. It's probably less

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Speaker 3: You want to be able to move oxygen through your

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Speaker 1: As Cody fifteen hundred nah.

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Speaker 3: But maybe you know fifteen one hundreds on time or whatever.

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Speaker 3: You're like things like that. A lot of kick a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so just sort of legs on their own pools,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it's it's just really nily regiment for

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Speaker 3: I had to make that sacrifice in my life if

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Speaker 3: I was going to be doing this again full time,

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Speaker 3: the Black Line again morning and night.

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Speaker 1: Totally different life discipline, that's.

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Speaker 3: For sure, polarizing, lifestylestly different going to sleep at five

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Speaker 4: Because I just want to just get into the woods

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Speaker 4: because most people don't have any idea. I'm lucky because

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Speaker 4: get up at four o'clock every and taking the swimming training,

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Speaker 1: Was after squad there was racing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got a carnival or something something.

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Speaker 1: There's always a carnival, especially in the summer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the worst time because you have I don't know

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Speaker 4: why they held them in January, February, March, April.

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Speaker 1: That's usual.

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Speaker 2: Through the day you're sitting under the tent and.

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Speaker 4: I was on holidays, and your your you and your

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Speaker 4: But so just give me a typical morning if you

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Speaker 4: and we're talking about where were you training?

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Speaker 3: wasn't four thirty. It was more like five point fifteen,

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Speaker 1: What's a full swim session?

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Speaker 3: Look? For me, it was standard five pretty much five kilometers,

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Speaker 2: Average of five k and that'll be morning and afternoon.

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Speaker 3: In the morning will be more sort of aerobic zones,

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Speaker 1: A pace that when you say zone, you're looking at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're pretty much on a Monday morning, we didn't

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Speaker 1: So what would do straight off that? Like food wise, a.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't imagine what a swimmer that way.

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Speaker 3: often be a really big Monday IVO would often be

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Speaker 3: my least favorite session of the week. It would be

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Speaker 3: a few k butterfly, which butterflies my stroke. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: You feel like you're pulling a piano on your back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like so you would.

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Speaker 1: So, so the morning SESSI would to be freestyle.

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Speaker 3: was no blueprint to what I was trying to do

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00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 3: because no one had ever done it before. And so

445
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: when I talked about it with people, some said it's funny,

446
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: like everyone that I spoke to that had done something

447
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: themselves in the sport, and I was fortunate to have

448
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 3: mentors in Thorpey Phelps, like all these guys sort of

449
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: lent their mentorship to me, which was really special, and

450
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: they also go for it like what do you you know,

451
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: what do you get to lose kind of thing. But

452
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: everyone else pretty much thought I was nuts and said, well,

453
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 3: why would you leave behind what you've built, you know,

454
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: in your career to do something that's so so not guaranteed,

455
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: probably not possible at all, you know. Even their thought

456
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: of making an Australian team just sounded so far out

457
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: to them.

458
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: But oddly for me, I had this.

459
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: And almost looking looking in retrospect, it was this naive,

460
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: almost ignorant self confidence at that time.

461
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: We novity helped sometimes and it.

462
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: Helped me so much because probably because I I didn't

463
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: realize what I was getting myself into. I didn't realize

464
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: the odds that were stacked. I didn't acknowledge the odds

465
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 3: that were stacked against me based on you know, how

466
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: it should work in the sport of swimming, when what

467
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: you should have had to have done from thirteen to

468
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: twenty three, those ages that I didn't swim in order

469
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: to get to that elite level, I said, you know,

470
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: all that stuff, I'm going to go for it because

471
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: if I don't, it's going to be too late. You know,

472
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to live with those what ifs. And all

473
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: through those years of being a musician, there was this

474
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: little spark in me that never died about the sport

475
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: because I competed at quite a high level for my

476
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: age at that stage, and the coaches and the people

477
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: that I had there really believed in me then as

478
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 3: though I would be able to go all the way

479
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: with it, and then I cut it short because I

480
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 3: was given a massive opportunity to a young age to pursue music,

481
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: and I pursued that and sort of didn't look back

482
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: until I got a little older and I thought, if

483
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: I did want to swim again, like, I'm going to

484
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: have to do it soon. And it was this spark

485
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: and turned into this flame that just sort of grew

486
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: into something that I couldn't ignore and I had to

487
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: at least at least explore the curiosity I had for it.

488
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: So it was just a curiosity. It sounds like it

489
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: was all I was more than that. It must be

490
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: much more that. Yeah, I mean, do you remember the

491
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: time it was?

492
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: It was a dream? It was it was a dream

493
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: that I like, I love the sports so much. I'd

494
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: watch I'd watch videos of the Aussie guys in the

495
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: freestyle relays and just cry, like I'd cry watching them.

496
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: This was back when I was before I started swimming again.

497
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 3: I'd watch these things and that it made me feel

498
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: ways that I'd never felt or don't get from anything else.

499
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I have to follow that and

500
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: I have to try and pursue that for myself because

501
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: this this obviously does something for me that nothing else does.

502
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: I don't think.

503
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: Parents just weren't they Yeah, yeah, it was there something

504
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: in that that you felt like you needed to, you know,

505
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: push a little harder on the like the genetic inherence.

506
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah nah, because they, if anything, they almost tried

507
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: to talk me down from it, because I think they

508
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: both understood what it takes, because having done with themselves

509
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: my mum's one for Australia in the eighties, and they

510
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: they sort of said, well, it's freaking hard, like it's

511
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: and you're you're living such a good life and you

512
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: know all those things and do you want to, you know,

513
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 3: really do that for no guarantee of success, you know,

514
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: But when she heard how passionate I was and seemed

515
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: about it, she then didn't ask questions again. She supported me.

516
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: But no, it wasn't It wasn't that I felt I

517
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: owed them anything. I felt like I owed myself something.

518
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: Was there a moment where you can you think back,

519
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: was a moment at twenty three.

520
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: Around that time.

521
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: You think you just watched the come with Games, you

522
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 4: just watch the Olympic something. I'm trying to do a

523
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 4: quick calculation what was on at the time, but maybe

524
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 4: the nationals or you watch something in the US that

525
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 4: you thought that's it, I'm doing it.

526
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: Yep. It was twenty nineteen World Championships. I watched I

527
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: watched Caleb Dressel break the men's hundred butterfly world record,

528
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: which is always my event growing up.

529
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: Butterfly was my favorite stroke, one of the toughest events.

530
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I watched Christophe me Lark break the

531
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: two hundred men's two hundred butterfly world records. Guys that

532
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: were both my age and it was the first time

533
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: I'd had a really visceral, really really intense reaction to

534
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: watching that, going, why aren't I there? You know, why

535
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: wasn't Why wasn't I training for the last few years

536
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 3: to be there? And I just had this It was,

537
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: you know, that epiphany type moment of Okay, well I know,

538
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: I know what I need to do now, and I

539
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: this is too much for me to ignore anymore, and

540
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: pretty much started trying to find pools from that stage onwards.

541
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: And and preak COVID.

542
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was twenty nineteen.

543
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 3: It was like the middle of twenty nineteen, and then

544
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't until I didn't swim a whole lot through

545
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: the rest of that year. I started to kind of

546
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: pop into USC which had a little program happening, and

547
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: was jumping into sessions there, but hadn't really swum much.

548
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: It was I was starting from scratch, and then COVID hit,

549
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: and then I was hooked up with with Brett Hawk and.

550
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Express my interest and just pretty much got started.

551
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I.

552
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: Could just go back a little bit, like when you're

553
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: a young fellah maybe nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and you're

554
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: work swimming, it's a pretty typical thing. I presume you

555
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: were training in Queensland, but It's a pretty typical thing

556
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: in Australia for a lot of families put the kids

557
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: in the pools, particularly Queens, because yeah, you.

558
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: Got to learn a swim, safety factors, Yeah, you've got

559
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: to learn a swim.

560
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: And then they go, well, the kids got to do

561
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 4: a sport or some type, like he's not bad at swim,

562
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: I'll just put him in a little training squad and

563
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: or her put him in the training squad, and then

564
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: the training the whole lot of kids become friends.

565
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: You get a bit of a system, and the parents

566
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: get used.

567
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: To the rhythm of it. The next thing you know,

568
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: there's a little swim meet and.

569
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Here and say, oh, come on, Cary, let's we're going

570
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: to go down on Saturday morning there's a race and

571
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: your first race is on do you ever do you

572
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: have a recollection of that?

573
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: I remember I remember pretty vividly some of my first competitions.

574
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: It was probably it was probably eight or nine, because

575
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: swimming was the first thing I remember remember being good at.

576
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: I think it was I was probably eight on.

577
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: It was this local competition and I broke like all

578
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: the local records for that eight you know, nine years old. Yeah,

579
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean much. But I was going to you know,

580
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: I have a natural feel for this. I you know,

581
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm good at this. This is something I can work with.

582
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: You know, even at that age, you sort of you

583
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: recognize that and you get that little hit of you know,

584
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: feeling good about yourself kind of thing.

585
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: And then your parents put you in the nippers because

586
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: you go to events and you win that too, because

587
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 4: some of the kids are good at the beach on

588
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: the run.

589
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so DoD nippers and I was, yeah, I started

590
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: I winning the you know, the ocean swims.

591
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: You think it was back back, around, back, out and

592
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: around the boy and back.

593
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

594
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: And so I said, okay, well, well this is good.

595
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: And I was shocking it. I was wildly uncoordinated at landsports.

596
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

597
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't interested either. Like I didn't played a bit

598
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: of rugby at school, but never really liked it that much.

599
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: Got asked to leave the local soccer team so they

600
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: could make room for someone else because I just stand around,

601
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: you know, looking at the sky, you know, singing, humming

602
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: little songs.

603
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: And humming the water to yourself.

604
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

605
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's funny. Back in the day, I used

606
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: to I started writing songs about that. Age too, really

607
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: ten years old. Yeah, and I used to come up

608
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: with these little ideas and I'd asked my coach if

609
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: I could get out and write that. Used keep a

610
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: little notebook in my bag and I'd ask my coach

611
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: if I could get out and write down.

612
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: In an instrument as well. Yeah, learned guitar.

613
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: It was already playing guitar at that age, taking lessons

614
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: and that was sort of my primary hobby outside of swimming.

615
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: I was swimming. Started training at that age nine and ten.

616
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: You start to do a few more sessions a week

617
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: and get really into it. And that was sort of

618
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: my first year. I did the School Nationals that's the

619
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: combined and I think that was the That was probably

620
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 3: the first time I said I'm into this because I yeah,

621
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: you go through like you do your you get top

622
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: to at your school, you go into your district and

623
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: then top to you go into your region and then

624
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: State and then you get to the Australian School Nationals whatever.

625
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: And I think I I won every event there at

626
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: the age of ten. I think it was like eight.

627
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: I would say, it's not a cocky thing, it's just yeah, yeah,

628
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: I won like eight gold medals when I was ten.

629
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: That's enough Australian, that's enough to motivate you to get

630
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: back in there.

631
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I was going, okay, well, you know,

632
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: I think I still have eleven year old's Australian record

633
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: for the fifty fly or something. It's hilarious, still still standing.

634
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: So it was pretty I was good then when I

635
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: was young, and but at the same time I was

636
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: I was loving music and practicing guitar and doing all that,

637
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: and so I had these sort of dual interests that

638
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: I juggled, I suppose.

639
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: And when did you find that, we don't want to

640
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: find out about the music side of things. When did

641
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: you find that music was going to take over from

642
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: the swimming like and how did you become How did

643
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: you realize you're good at music or that you had

644
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: a tune or a sound that people want to listen to.

645
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: I started I saw kids were posting themselves singing on

646
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: online YouTube. YouTube and MySpace was spending at the time,

647
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: and that was that had a real big music component.

648
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: So how did you see it like your parents say,

649
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: hey mate, have it check this out.

650
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: No, it was just just me like being twelve years old,

651
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: you know, going on the computer, I suppose, and I

652
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: saw that. I saw that this was a thing that

653
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: was happening. It was a new this was a new

654
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: medium that was popular. People were able to just upload

655
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: their own stuff and share themselves playing. It totally democratized,

656
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, the music industry in a sense. And I

657
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: asked Mom to film me because I said, oh, these kids,

658
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, people are watching these kids videos, and it

659
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: seems like a fun thing to do. It was totally

660
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: a very low expectation thing. It was just sounded like

661
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: a fun hobby. And I enjoyed kind of singing and

662
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: playing guitar in front of the camera. Both.

663
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

664
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: I was uploading some of my own stuff to MySpace,

665
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: just for little audio recordings and just covers on YouTube

666
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: and me singing like Jason Maraz and Justin Timberlake and

667
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: you know, did a bit of Johnny Cash.

668
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: I got like through the country back then.

669
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: It was funny looking back now as a twelve year

670
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: old me, you know, doing those songs. But they garnered

671
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: some attention quite fast, and I was getting a fair

672
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: amount of viewership.

673
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: What does that mean when you say you're back in

674
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: that period, what did you look at you say, a

675
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 4: thousand people look at me.

676
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a thousand, and then it was

677
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: ten thousand, and then it was sort of fifty, and

678
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: then it was sort of one hundred thousand. Okay, well

679
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: this is more than just you know, our friends, Like,

680
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: this is more than just our friends, and you know

681
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: the Golcos community. It's not this has gone.

682
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: Well, how did you know that when you're a kid,

683
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: So you got.

684
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: To get comments from well, we'd had a little desktop

685
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: in our living room kind of thing, and we'd go

686
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: on and you'd see someone's commented from Canada or you know,

687
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: from Argentina or going, I like this, And and then

688
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: started getting messages from producers and record labels, yeah, going

689
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: would you would you consider us flying you over to

690
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: cut a demo? And blah blah blah.

691
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: And at first we kind of my mom thought it

692
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: was pedophile.

693
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Media.

694
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's going, now, we're not going to respond to those,

695
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: and you know, people were following up with us, and

696
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: we started to I said, when I was really keen

697
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: to entertain it if they were real, you know, and

698
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: I saw that there were young people getting signed, and

699
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: you know, there was it was not just sort of

700
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: the Disney route anymore. There was, you know, kids were

701
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: getting signed to labels off their music and videos and

702
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: fan base and that alone that they'd grown. Justin Bieber

703
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: had just gotten signed and blew up, and so that

704
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: whole thing became you know, I think labels and that

705
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: was sort.

706
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: Of looking for more of those kids.

707
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: Do you think they're looking for a blonde, heir rossie

708
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: kid like you.

709
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: Know, I don't know if they if they weren't.

710
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: Did you come across as out there or it was

711
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: you could have been, you could have been from anywhere?

712
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: What do you think?

713
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: No, I think I came. I came across as a

714
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: bit of a young, blondhaired guitar playing. I was a

715
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: kid kind of thing, you know, And that's that's sort

716
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: of at least once I got signed and started, that's

717
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: kind of what they in a way, you know. And

718
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: I was flowing out of the States. I did my

719
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: first trip to New York City when I was It

720
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: was on my thirteenth birthday, because I remember I had

721
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: a meeting at Warner Brothers in Manhattan on my thirteenth birthday.

722
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: Thirteen year old boy meeting Warner Brothers.

723
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in one of music.

724
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: I was in their office all day started with the

725
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: low you know, the low level sort of executive and

726
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: ended up at you know, at closing hour in the

727
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: President's office, singing and playing guitar for him with the

728
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: mum my dad, my dad took me over and again

729
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: still I'm so thankful that they were even considered doing

730
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: that for me, because I I was, I was ambitious

731
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: young and I sort of said, off, you're not going

732
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: to take me. I'm wn ago, you know, I want

733
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: to go over there and see what this is all about.

734
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: And I was always driven from a young age and

735
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: whatever it was I was doing, and so when I

736
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: saw that that was a possibility, I said, I want

737
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: to do that, you know, and they fortunately listened and

738
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: were great. Grace was sort of generous enough to help me,

739
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: help me pursue it.

740
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 4: But that's pretty pretty foreign though, like a three year

741
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: old kid gets signed up music. Yeah, and I guess

742
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: money is it.

743
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: Was kind of unheard of as well, you know, in

744
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: the it's it's such a rare thing to occur, Like

745
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: I don't know how many Australians that's happened to in

746
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: the past, And so we didn't know what we were

747
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: in uncharted territory.

748
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: So what happens, You just we'll go home and have

749
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a family meeting.

750
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: Or yeah, we went home and they've they've got my damn,

751
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: they've recorded me a bit. Well, we went back after

752
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: the first trip, and then about six months later they

753
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: flew us back over to cut cut demos and stuff.

754
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: There was a producer there that was cutting demos with

755
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 3: me that was one of the ones who discovered me originally.

756
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: And then they sort of said, well, if you want

757
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: to do this for really, you're going to have to

758
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: relocate because they'd offered me a substantial record deal at

759
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: I was probably almost fourteen by this stage, and they said, well,

760
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: if you want to do this properly, we need you

761
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: to be based in LA And again it was one

762
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: of those things that I said, my parents will if

763
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: you're not going to come on going, I major of

764
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: the Yeah, yeah, so that's what that's what we did.

765
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: So there's a big deal for the whole family.

766
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

767
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Dad gave up his work at the time, and

768
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: I had a young two younger siblings, and I think

769
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: they thought it would be a six twelve month adventure.

770
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: I don't think they expected it. I don't think anyone

771
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: expected it to sort of take off the way it did.

772
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: At that statue you had your voice broken.

773
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: No, I was going I went through. And it's funny

774
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: now because I look back at recorded music from me

775
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: from recently, the last couple of years, all the way

776
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: back to thirty first at thirteen fourteen, and you know

777
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: I sound tiny like a little boy. Yeah, yeah, a

778
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: little wit.

779
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: You had a sort of quite a cute melodic sound

780
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 4: to you, like, you know, it was like a boy

781
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 4: sound though.

782
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. And I was I was,

783
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, pre pre prevestent.

784
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: And how important was that to the the record labels,

785
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: et cetera. I mean were they because there must have

786
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 4: been a period where you started to be a voice

787
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: would break. Yeah, and you get to study, get nervous

788
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: or does anyone say saying, mate, you're not the same

789
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: deal anymore?

790
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Well? Nah, they And they were good at sort of

791
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: because they knew it was going to happen, and they

792
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: were good at coaching me and working me through that.

793
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: I had vocal coach, a vocal coach, and it was

794
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: it was a big focus as I started to go

795
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: through that fifteen sixteen years old, was to kind of

796
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: make sure it was somewhat seamless, I suppose, but yeah,

797
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: I had voice cracks on stage and all the you know,

798
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: the whole ninees, Like I had to go through all

799
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: that in front of thousands of people, you know, all

800
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: the time. So that was kind of it was a lot.

801
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if we were talking about the intensity of swimming,

802
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: but if I if we go back and look at

803
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: the coaching for music or singing and instrumentality, the two

804
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: things you were doing, like playing and singing at the

805
00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: same time, whilst one is a totally different discipline. Was

806
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: there what parallels could you.

807
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: Draw though from what you learned as a thirteen year old,

808
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 4: forty year old, fIF year olds, et cetera. Having to

809
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 4: compete with a pretty crowded market, a global market actually

810
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: in terms of being your records being sold or your

811
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: usually being sold.

812
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you reckon you the parallels.

813
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: Are I was never scared to put the time.

814
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: In, so there is a lot of time required. Yeah, yeah,

815
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 4: Like give me an example of that.

816
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: Well, I had to.

817
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: I was still developing my craft at that age and

818
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: I still am. But I I at that stage was

819
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: like figuring it out as I went, you know, and

820
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: figuring it out in front of people. So still I

821
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 3: was still learning to play my instrument well at that age,

822
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 3: and I was still learning how to sing and project

823
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: and do all these things. So I was in you know,

824
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 3: almost what you'd call like performance coaching, how to hold

825
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: and carry yourself on stage. I was just doing a

826
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: bit of dancing choreography. It was when I was younger,

827
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: So it was learning that stuff, learning how to do videos, like,

828
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: learning how to yeah, participate, learning how to sit into

829
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: an interview. Yeah, you know, I went through media media training,

830
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: I guess at that age, learning how to.

831
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: Learning how to be.

832
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: On stage, learning how to be in front of people,

833
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: an audience an audience, yeah, and.

834
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Managing an audience is.

835
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: Exactly yeah, And that's an art form in itself, is

836
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: managing an audience. So I sort of had to figure

837
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: all that out over those years that I was doing.

838
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: It was a coach to you, though, do they did

839
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: someone sit down and say okay?

840
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: Partially and past and a lot of it was experienced.

841
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: You just have to learn it out walking.

842
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: Into the fire. And that's what it was for me

843
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: in swimming too in a way, because I had a coach,

844
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: but it was you got to figure things out for

845
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 3: yourself as well. There's no there's no better coach than

846
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: than than you at times.

847
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: How you feel in the water, yeah, how the water

848
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: feels with your body shape exactly.

849
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that that's purely instinctual. That can't be taught.

850
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: It has to be felt and experienced. And especially in butterfly,

851
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: I think.

852
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a flow thing.

853
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 3: It's such a finicky combination of power and flow.

854
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: Crazy little details though, like because if.

855
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: The picture of your pinky and your hand, and you

856
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: know the shape of your sort of elbow and whether

857
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: you can kind of carry you know, find viscosity and

858
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: find fine shape within something fluid it's like a very

859
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: and you're breathing strange thing. Yeah, and you're.

860
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: Breathing yeah, especially when you start to get a bit tight.

861
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: Tired, keeping your head flat. Like I said that, it's

862
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: a chain reaction of your hip staying high enough in

863
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: the water. And there's a whole technical side to it.

864
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: So the same would have applied to music though, absolutely,

865
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: Walking on the stage, engaging in the audience.

866
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, watching words, watching videos back going Okay, I can't

867
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: do that anymore. That looks all would you know? All

868
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: that stuff? And I always enjoyed and have always enjoyed

869
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: the working at something and then feeling the progress of

870
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: it and getting better at it, like and I swimming

871
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: taught me that from a young age, and so it

872
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: was a nice skill or it was a nice thing

873
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: to have going forward that I understood the work to

874
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: progress rule. You know that you have to put that

875
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: time in and you have to get uncomfortable before you're

876
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: going to be comfortable. Would you?

877
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Would you say that?

878
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 4: You say, Cody is a person who is quite has

879
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: quite a strong kinesthetic power, like within your gut, like

880
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 4: you can feel things, you know, like you it's something

881
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: that's important to you.

882
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: A nice way to put it.

883
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've never really because I think swimming.

884
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: Swimming is a lot about that, because you've got to

885
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: know yourself. Yeah, and you've got to know how to

886
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 4: just be able to pace yourself one hundred butterfly.

887
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: You have to be hyper aware of your body, hyper

888
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: aware and funny, I feel the same every day.

889
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: So today I'm going to be HyperWare how I am today,

890
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to compete. I'm going to be HyperWare today.

891
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: I'm not feeling the same as it was yesterday.

892
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I want to win. Yeah, and when you

893
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: are HyperWare, you you feel those those minuscule shifts and

894
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: changes in how you're feeling. So that's and.

895
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: That's quite a kinesthetic power. That's a power that you

896
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: develop over time. Yeah, I suppose so, knowing every little

897
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 4: change at the margin.

898
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: And I when I was growing up and I'm still

899
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: somewhat this way I was growing I grew up a

900
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: massive hypochondriac because I felt things in my body.

901
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: That probably helps very very much.

902
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: From a young age, I'd make my mum take me

903
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: to get routine blood tests because I was like, I

904
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: think I've got something wrong with me, you know, because

905
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: I just felt things everywhere.

906
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: All that might not have been a hypochondriac.

907
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: That might not be a manic maniacal type thing in

908
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 4: your brain as a as a mental health thing, but

909
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: maybe it was just more you are very aware.

910
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: Of how you feel. Yeah, yeah, probably more so than

911
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: anybody else.

912
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: Perhaps, I don't know.

913
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like to be anyone else,

914
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: so I don't know, but I I knew that I

915
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: was always hyper aware of how I felt, and that

916
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: did that was a curse in some sense, because when

917
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: I was younger, I used to worry about that and go,

918
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: I think there's things wrong with me because I feel

919
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 3: changes and blah blah blah. So I wasn't sure that's

920
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: calmed down as I've aged, but it was a blessing

921
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: in the water.

922
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Definitely, and probably in new music too.

923
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: And it's been a blessing, yeah, in my music as well.

924
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: I think, what about school? What did you do?

925
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 4: Is what happened to school during all this period when

926
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 4: you're up there training for the stage.

927
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I I went to school on the Gold Coast

928
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: till I went through grade eight yep. And then we

929
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: moved to the US, so I part of my contract

930
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: was that the and I think it was probably a

931
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: legal thing then to the record label had to pay

932
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 3: for my.

933
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Tutoring homeschool, homeschool school.

934
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: So I did nine to twelve homeschooled through a US

935
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: curriculum over there, and graduated through a US high school

936
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: that I never went to or visited.

937
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: But you're still homeschooled, yeah, yeah.

938
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: And I had a teacher on the road.

939
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: Through tours and of course travel I had to they

940
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: had to have someone with me.

941
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 4: So when you he's a kid from Queensland, I mean

942
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: as you said, probably people ever done this. I don't

943
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: know any if anybody's ever done it. But you sit

944
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 4: back today and you think of the mission that you

945
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: and your family's on, and all your support group, everybody

946
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: music teachers, guitar coach, blah blah blah, someone's engaging in

947
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 4: the audience.

948
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: You've got a book a venue. I mean there's a

949
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of people.

950
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tudor there were more than I knew at that time.

951
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: You know, my family would tried to sort of sheldy

952
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: a bit, Yeah, and made an effort of keeping tried

953
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: to keep a level of normalcy amidst the chaos, which

954
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: was at times impossible, but they tried. But yeah, it was.

955
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: There was a lot happening.

956
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: Did you think about it? You think, my god, that

957
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: was like that was mad.

958
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: When I look back now, Yeah, I was. I was fifteen,

959
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: doing three cities a day in a van, visiting radio

960
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: stations and doing shopping, more concerts, and it was mad

961
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: to think about, you know, three cities in Connecticut in

962
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 3: one day.

963
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: You know, you would regret I don't mean I don't

964
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pull it. No, it wouldn't be anything.

965
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: You go, shit, I wish I hadn't done it or

966
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: that was a pain the ass.

967
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: No, And I say no because it taught me so much.

968
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 3: So at times I wish I didn't have to grow

969
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: up as quickly as I did.

970
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 4: How do you mean you to grow it quickly because

971
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: you got exposed at things you wouldn't been exposed on

972
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 4: the Gold Coast for example.

973
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to. I had to.

974
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: I had to carry myself in an adult world from

975
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: the age of fourteen. So you're sort of forced to

976
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: learn how to carry yourself that in that world and

977
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 3: sit in meetings and do all these things that you

978
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: you don't have to do any most you know you

979
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: don't have to do when you're fourteen.

980
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Is that like a loss of innocence?

981
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 4: I don't mean in the I don't mean the normal

982
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: sense of loss of innocence, but I mean just acting

983
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: like an adult.

984
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose so, But I I was, I believe,

985
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: quite mature from a young age in that sense anyway.

986
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: So I was. I was. I didn't feel strange to me.

987
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: I was ready to do it. I wanted to do it.

988
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: There's no force, nah, nothing, no, And.

989
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 3: I was down to I was down for the grant

990
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: of it. I was excited about jumping in that van

991
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: and doing three gigs in a day, and you know,

992
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: visiting radio stations and performing like I loved being busy,

993
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 3: and I loved that because I've always loved the feeling

994
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: of forward momentum, and that felt exciting. It felt like

995
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: I was going someplace.

996
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing, like your ambition for a young kid.

997
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, Yeah it was. And it was very self driven,

998
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: like I even though I was on this rollercoaster, this

999
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 3: train that just took off and didn't stop, I still

1000
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: felt somewhat in control from that age.

1001
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: And when I started not to feel in.

1002
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: Control, I sort of took back control, which is a

1003
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: whole other story about I left my record label at

1004
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: eighteen I think it was, and went independent and sort

1005
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 3: of built a new team that at that age and

1006
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 3: sort of shifted musical direction a little bit. But I've

1007
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: always liked to and have felt in control of my

1008
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 3: story in my life.

1009
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever been out of control? Then? I mean

1010
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: that industry generally speaking.

1011
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's pretty they can get pretty mad, yeah,

1012
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: And that's there was a dark side to it all

1013
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: as well, you know, as as sort of fun and

1014
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: fast paced and glamorous as I am making it sound,

1015
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: there was a dark side to it all.

1016
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: What is what is that?

1017
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: Which was?

1018
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: Having that level of.

1019
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: Freedom at that age is probably not the healthiest thing,

1020
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: being able to sort of go and do whatever whatever

1021
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 3: you want from an age where you don't know what

1022
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: you want or what's good for you. So, you know,

1023
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: starting to I lived on my you know, I bought

1024
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: my first place in la and lived on my own

1025
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: from seventeen, started traveling and touring actually on your own, Yeah,

1026
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: on my own? Yeah, I had I had a I

1027
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: had a sort of a tour manager who was this

1028
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: young guy that I became really good mates with that

1029
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: was that sort of had to spend most of the

1030
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 3: time with me because we were always working and traveling.

1031
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: But he ended up living with me for a while.

1032
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: But I was, I wasn't. I was a sense in

1033
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: a sense living on my own. I wasn't living with

1034
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: my family.

1035
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Scared, but Jesus out of me if all as your parents.

1036
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. It's scared. Scared the hell out of

1037
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: my mom. And I started traveling and touring by myself

1038
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: from yeah, sixteen, So I.

1039
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: Can imagine what he goes on.

1040
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you start going out to clubs because they're letting

1041
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 3: you in, you know, that kind of thing. And that's

1042
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: a serious level of autonomy and freedom for a kid

1043
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: that age.

1044
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: That's a time of error to mistakes. Happened.

1045
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: They did happen, They did happen.

1046
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: Did you ever get like, did you ever get like

1047
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: chronically close to.

1048
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: Stuffing things up?

1049
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, a few times. Yeah, seventeen eighteen, from about

1050
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 3: seventeen to twenty, i'd call those my sort of.

1051
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: Party is.

1052
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I suppose you'd say I was still working a lot,

1053
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 3: and I was still I made a ton of progress

1054
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: as a musician and as a guitarist, like as an

1055
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: instrumentalist in that period because I was so I was

1056
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: loving music and I was practicing and all that. But

1057
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: at the same time I was so, I was exploring

1058
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: a lot, I was finding new styles.

1059
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: It did wonders for me as a musician.

1060
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I was going out every night,

1061
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 3: and you know, I had discovered drinking and drugs and

1062
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: all these things that we're just in Hollywood are just

1063
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: successible to you at that age, and you have money

1064
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: and I had money, which doesn't help. And I also

1065
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: didn't I also didn't care to listen to guidance. I

1066
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: was a bit I was going through a rebellious thing

1067
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: because there was a part of me that felt like, well,

1068
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: I've been told what to do for these last few years,

1069
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: you know, in work, I want to make my own decisions.

1070
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: Now it's my time.

1071
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: But those decisions you make for yourself I always the best.

1072
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: You just think that they're cool or rebellious at that

1073
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: at that age you probably don't care. Really, I didn't

1074
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: give a shit, you know, I said, well, I built

1075
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: all this, I'm going to go do my own thing,

1076
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: and I'm going to leave my label and I'm going

1077
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 3: to just go and party and put the people around

1078
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: me that are going to enable that behavior. And you know,

1079
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: it's just you get a bit carried away.

1080
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: Did your parents put back to Australia.

1081
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: They did by the time I was I was nineteen

1082
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: twenty when they moved home. I think they started to

1083
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: feel like they didn't have a whole lot of control

1084
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: of me. At that stage because I was in that

1085
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: period of my life. It almost didn't allow them to.

1086
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: If they tried to, it made matters worse.

1087
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, conflict, I'm sure you can imagine.

1088
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: You know, you've had probably those experiences as a father

1089
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: and four sons, so you have to Yeah, I'm sure

1090
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, like it's it's tuning keys parenting.

1091
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: I think probably that age.

1092
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: I've never been through it, but that's what I imagine,

1093
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, So they had to just sort of do

1094
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: their best to manage it. But there was a couple

1095
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: of years there was sliding. It was sliding and what

1096
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: pulls your back.

1097
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: Families won.

1098
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: Fortunately they were always there too, sort of far off

1099
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 3: the track as I a strayed. They were always there

1100
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 3: to talk to me and catch me and tell me

1101
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: how they felt. And I think that there were many

1102
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: times or if I didn't have them, I probably would

1103
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: have just kept going. They were quick to They were

1104
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: always quick growing up to sort of make sure I

1105
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: didn't get I'll get too big for my boots, because

1106
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: it's very easy to in that scenario, you get a

1107
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: big hit about you because all you're hearing is is

1108
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: good things. And then also in those years was expressing

1109
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: their concern and wanting me to come back down to earth.

1110
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 3: I guess is a good analogy. I was floating.

1111
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: I can imagine I was floating for good three or

1112
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: four years there. But then did swimming have any That's

1113
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: that's number two.

1114
00:57:52,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: That that in a sense, the thought and the the

1115
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: idea grew in that period of time through my sort

1116
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: of twenty early twenties, and that almost saved my life

1117
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: in a sense, like it shifted my path for.

1118
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: The better, because you can't do you can't leave that

1119
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 4: Hollywood life, let's call it that.

1120
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: No, And there were times it was like the sobering

1121
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: thought was that, Okay, well, I can't keep doing this.

1122
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: I can't if that's what I want to do. I

1123
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: can't be wrecking my body until three am, you know,

1124
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: four times a week. It's not what this is dumb

1125
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: if I want to do that, you know. And that

1126
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: sounded like that sounded like where I needed to go.

1127
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 3: And it was the shift, certainly was a.

1128
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Voice in your head like it is there some little

1129
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: person in your life?

1130
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you know, it just says it's the

1131
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: haze was going, hey what are you doing?

1132
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

1133
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1134
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: And as I got older, like the first couple of years,

1135
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: it was guilt free. It was like, you know, having fun,

1136
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: not thinking twice about it. And then the voice grew

1137
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: you know, sort of na actually yeah, there was Yeah,

1138
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: which was great then to be able to do it

1139
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: with with that guilt free I feel. But then I

1140
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 3: got the voice in my head going it was it was.

1141
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: It was a mature voice, amits the immature I was

1142
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: up to, you know, going this is you can't do

1143
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: this much longer.

1144
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: Plus you don't remember that you want that.

1145
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: And so.

1146
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: That helped me. Swimming helped me come out of that.

1147
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: That that that whole I guess.

1148
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 4: So when you say it saved your life, do you

1149
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 4: mean saved your life as you live it today or.

1150
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: Save you Actually?

1151
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I if I kept going down that path

1152
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: and didn't have swimming too, I suppose clean me up

1153
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: in a sense, get me healthy, I don't know where

1154
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: things would have gone. So in a way it did

1155
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 3: literally save my life, but it also save your life.

1156
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 3: Gave me life in it gave me new life, It

1157
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: gave me, built me these beautiful, healthy habits. It gave

1158
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: me a great partner, It gave me my life in Australia.

1159
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: Again that I didn't feel connected to Australia anymore when

1160
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: I was over there, like that was La was my home.

1161
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: I didn't care to come back here and I didn't

1162
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: come much and so it helped me reconnect with my

1163
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 3: homeland in a way as.

1164
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: Well, and the people here.

1165
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: And so having since swum here again and lived here

1166
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: again and been around family and built my base here,

1167
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: like I don't see I don't see myself living or

1168
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: being based anywhere else ever again, like I love it

1169
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: in Australia again, and I'm glad it helped me reclaim

1170
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: that love for where I'm from.

1171
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: You and you mentioned earlier, you know, if you've got

1172
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 4: your partner, Emma, who actually came in here, but I

1173
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 4: had my headly swung off my shoulders when I walk

1174
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 4: into the studio. But if you want to just quickly

1175
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 4: talk about that, because it's it's a talk of the

1176
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: town made two great athletes, you know, everybody's I'm just

1177
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 4: sort of imagining the genetics, like I said, I mean,

1178
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: there's marriage is sort of a thing that you guys

1179
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 4: are talking about.

1180
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: It's not spoken about, but it's you know, it's going

1181
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: to propose to it now. It's not something we've spoken about,

1182
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: but it's you know, we have something that is beautiful

1183
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 3: and honest and pure, and it's it's been a real

1184
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air in my life, certainly you know,

1185
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: I've had I hadn't known more tumultuous relationships in the past,

1186
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: and and it's certainly been something that's given me a

1187
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: sense of calm and stability and that that I certainly

1188
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: needed and wanted. So that along with swimming. And we

1189
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: met through swimming.

1190
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: So the same place.

1191
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's how we met. I could joined the

1192
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 3: group and so like, who's this And I didn't know

1193
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: who she was or what she had accomplished prior. Yeah,

1194
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: I know now And I've had the chance to see

1195
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 3: it every day and be inspired by it every day too,

1196
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: because she's you know, she's just a beast, like in

1197
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: training and you know, she's she's sort of this she's

1198
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 3: so graceful outside of the water and she gets in

1199
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: the water and she can just you know, she just

1200
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: goes and pushes herself and it's amazing, you know. And

1201
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: so to see that and be inspired by that as

1202
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's an attractive trait in a woman

1203
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,959
Speaker 3: to you know, see see her do that. Yeah.

1204
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: So can I actually just maybe just on her parents athletes?

1205
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was her mother father swimmers. Her parents

1206
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: both from for Australia. Was her father Ron mckinn, Ron McCann.

1207
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: He swing as my brother.

1208
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I remember him really from his sixties.

1209
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Yep, sixties. He's from Maroubra.

1210
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember him. He was a tall guy.

1211
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 3: He's probably I don't know, he might be six four.

1212
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: He was a it was a freestyle I was.

1213
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: I recall.

1214
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in the Olympic final. He was Olympic

1215
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: finalist in.

1216
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to get this wrong, but it was he

1217
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 3: went to Moscow and Los Angeles Olympics.

1218
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: I remember those. A guy called Max Metzka, and there

1219
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 4: was Ron mckinn. There's a guy called George of Venados.

1220
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: They were all around, George from Ghannada. I remember these

1221
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 4: guys because, like, I used to take a lot of

1222
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 4: interest in swimming in those days. Your brother and and

1223
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 4: but I remember that these guys are winning the nationals

1224
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: all the time. My brother's like fifty six, but these

1225
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 4: guys are getting first, second or third all the time.

1226
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 4: So so amma's father is the Ronald McKean m so like,

1227
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: and your parents are swimmers too, So there's some genetics

1228
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 4: going on.

1229
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: There, dude. Yeah, my dad will do it for Australia. Yeah.

1230
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: Her parents both met through swimming. My parents both met

1231
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: through swimming. That our parents knew each other back in

1232
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: the day because swimming was a small community then, and

1233
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: you know, they were swimming around a similar time. My

1234
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 3: dad and EM's dad were both at the AS at

1235
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 3: one stage at the same time. One of them was

1236
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 3: coaching and one of them was swimming. I don't know

1237
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: who was, but yeah, funny kind of history there with

1238
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: with with connection.

1239
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 4: And in terms of your musical career, do you you

1240
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 4: write songs now and do you get any inspiration for

1241
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: from your Yeah, I mean sometimes you write. Sometimes there's

1242
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 4: you sing songs that have the love theme involved in them.

1243
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 4: Do you get inspiration from your relationship with Emma in.

1244
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: Terms of what you write, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

1245
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: Because there's one song I'm dying to ask you this one.

1246
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I got to if you don't mind.

1247
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: It's called on My Mind and I just want to

1248
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 4: ask you about I just want to ask about that

1249
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 4: song for a second.

1250
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: It might have predated and I'm not sure.

1251
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't know whether this song was written well, I

1252
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: did a remake of it recently.

1253
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the more recent one, And I want

1254
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: to ask you when you write a song do you

1255
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: write the write it as a piece of poetry first?

1256
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes because if I feel like that song was

1257
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: a piece of poetry, I felt like it was written

1258
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 4: as a piece of poetry. Then you know, which wrote

1259
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 4: the lyrics about as poetry. Then you added the music

1260
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: to it.

1261
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm just imagining things but.

1262
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: In different ways. Yeah, and that does.

1263
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: It does. I can't remember with that one, to be honest,

1264
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: because originally came out when I was fifteen maybe it was,

1265
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 3: it was, but I really redid it as a sort

1266
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: of piano piece, not because.

1267
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 4: You were playing that when I when I was watching it. Okay, yeah,

1268
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 4: so you obviously learned to play the piano as well

1269
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 4: as a guitar.

1270
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: That was me faking it, right. I can't play piano,

1271
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: My god, was trying.

1272
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: I was trying, Like, yeah, I was. No, I was playing, but.

1273
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: That's it, but you weren't. Sort of not a classic.

1274
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't play, and that's in the proper sense.

1275
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: But I do write. I like to write poetry and

1276
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: bits of pros and things as well, so like sometimes

1277
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: lyrics come from that.

1278
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: And how does it work though?

1279
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 4: Are you sort of like you know, sitting on a

1280
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 4: train and going through the country and you know you

1281
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: had you know, you're sitting in the carriage where the

1282
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: food's being served, and you're just sitting there by yourself,

1283
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 4: and you're missing your girl, and you just start writing a.

1284
01:06:59,360 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: Bit of part of me.

1285
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, no, no, And you're romanticizing it. But in

1286
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: a way, that's that's the reality of it.

1287
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 4: Sometimes you're missing somebody or you want to are you

1288
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: thinking about somebody?

1289
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1290
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: What they bring to the let's call it the table.

1291
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those things inspire me all the time. She

1292
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 3: inspires me. My I've been writing a lot about what

1293
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: I've been through the last few years as well, so

1294
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: sort of non h I suppose non romantic or non

1295
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: love theme stuff, more say reflective or inspirational. But yeah,

1296
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: I draw from everywhere. And it starts in two ways.

1297
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: It starts either as just words or it starts as

1298
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 3: And this is more common for me when I'm writing

1299
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: on guitar, just a few chords and a tune.

1300
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: I like the sound of that.

1301
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: I'll start humming and then like words kind of evolve

1302
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 3: from from sound, just from humming. That's pretty contubuous in

1303
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: a way.

1304
01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's pretty cool.

1305
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: You have a piece of are some words and that

1306
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: I'll kind of meld into what, you know, a tune

1307
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: I've got.

1308
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: And you have to be in a certain mood to create.

1309
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 3: To be creative, I find I have to have space

1310
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: and solitude.

1311
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 4: Which means space means you need to be being by

1312
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 4: my way, somewhere on your own, yeah sort of thing

1313
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 4: for multiple hours.

1314
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's why sometimes I have ideas

1315
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 3: and get little pieces when I when I'm swimming, because

1316
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 3: because you've got plenty of space, because you just in

1317
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: even though it's kind of intense, you are in your

1318
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 3: own world. Yeah, and you're not just you know, there's

1319
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: not a distraction and yeah.

1320
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're singing a song in the pool in your

1321
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: head whilst you're going up and down the pool. Is

1322
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: common swimmers. A lot of swimmers do it because otherwise

1323
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:46,759
Speaker 1: you go nuts.

1324
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 3: So I do it and it helps me get through

1325
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: those long sessions.

1326
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're sitting there for you're in the pool,

1327
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 4: in your head in the water, you can't hear anything, Yeah,

1328
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 4: except when you turn your head paps and you're you know,

1329
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 4: the hour and a half session of whatever the case

1330
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 4: may be, you've got to have something to keep your

1331
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 4: mind active.

1332
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1333
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's not just because and you're so well tuned physically,

1334
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 4: Like if I did that, I wouldn't have any time

1335
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 4: to think or seeing on it, because I'd be just trying.

1336
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 4: I'd be just trying to survive the lap or the distance.

1337
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 4: Whereas you're so physically well tuned that you actually can

1338
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 4: combine everything. You can sing and you can breathe, and

1339
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 4: you can you feel your heart rate. You know what

1340
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: your heart rate is pretty much, Yeah, within a couple

1341
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 4: of beats.

1342
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1343
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1344
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: And at times, especially in the easier sessions, like in

1345
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 2: the recovery sessions or two to three of the of

1346
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 2: the nine swim sets ayet a week, we're sort of

1347
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 2: easier recovery based, and there you just sort of fall

1348
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: into that second nature.

1349
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: Whether the physical bart's taken care of and your mind's

1350
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 3: just floating around. And that's when I'd often get a

1351
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: lot of ideas and.

1352
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, and I mean you can get great ideas.

1353
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 4: And speaking of grand ideas, I'm actually keen to find

1354
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 4: out what does someone like you do now?

1355
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say.

1356
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 4: Post swimming career, because you know, all I know you're

1357
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 4: going to continue on Are you going to continue?

1358
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 3: I should ask the question, are you going to continue? Yeah,

1359
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,959
Speaker 3: as far as I'm a were at the moment within myself,

1360
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: probably not. I'm really excited about other things.

1361
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 4: Again, I want to tell you what the other things are. Yeah,

1362
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 4: what do I see? You got doctor hydro written on there?

1363
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: What's that?

1364
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 3: That's the fun I started that while I was swimming

1365
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: with Queensland. Yeah, something I've co founded with a few

1366
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 3: guys up in Queensland. It's a hydration supplement little tub today.

1367
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: Got what Hydration is a big deal.

1368
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's been underplayed for a long time. Yeah, swimming,

1369
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 4: it was a vital part of my last few years.

1370
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 4: Let's just talk about that for second. In terms of swimmers, particularly,

1371
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 4: you're when you're in the open you know, you're an

1372
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 4: open pool, so you've got the sunshine and all that

1373
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 4: sort of thing, the elements, and you're in the elements,

1374
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 4: but you're breathing a lot and you're sort of transpiring.

1375
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: You're losing I was also losing a lot more fluid

1376
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: than I than you think because you're in the water.

1377
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 3: You don't see yourself when you're on for a run.

1378
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 3: Or in the gym.

1379
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: You can see yourself sweat.

1380
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: Sweating in the pool like that's happening as well, but

1381
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like you are.

1382
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 4: And the breathing too, I mean you breathe a lot

1383
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 4: when you swim. I mean it's like if you're in

1384
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 4: the gym, you don't breathe. We knew what you would breathe.

1385
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 4: You're transpiring, you know, your mouth all.

1386
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: The time, the constant just all the time.

1387
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: So would you how did you get onto hydration?

1388
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 5: Was that?

1389
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: But that's something the medical people at the.

1390
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you to go on.

1391
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that we did a lot. We do a lot

1392
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: of research around how it affects you, how even the

1393
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: slightest level of dehydration can significantly affect your performance. And

1394
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: so that was stressed. That stressed to us a lot

1395
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 3: because we have a great in the training group. How

1396
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: we had you know, physiologists and dietitian and all those

1397
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 3: things there to support.

1398
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,440
Speaker 1: Us sports scientists.

1399
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the hydration part was huge. And I

1400
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 3: also did a lot of research into you know, different

1401
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: amino acids and things that could help you know, recovery

1402
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: and vitamins, B vitamins like all the things that you know,

1403
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 3: support energy systems, and that's kind of what doctor Hydrate is.

1404
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: It's like all of that in one. So as I

1405
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 3: was like I'm going to have to take bloody five

1406
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 3: different tablets and do my you.

1407
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: Know, hydration, electrolyte powder.

1408
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,879
Speaker 3: And you know glued like glutamine for sort of muscle recovery,

1409
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 3: amino acid type thing, probiotics, and that was sort of

1410
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: the idea around Doctor Hydrate was putting all of that

1411
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 3: in one.

1412
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 4: So it's not just a hydration, it's not just putting

1413
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 4: magers a potassum back in the system as a few

1414
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 4: other things as well.

1415
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 3: No, it's got yeah, it's got B vitamins, probiotics, it's

1416
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 3: got C minerals like seventy two C mineral, like those

1417
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 3: miniscule sort of things you don't really get in other ones,

1418
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,879
Speaker 3: like we use like a seaweed extract from the North Atlantic.

1419
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah, and where do you guys car team

1420
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 3: glued Tomine Queensland? Wow, straight, Yeah, that's good Queensland. Yeah.

1421
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's like a really nice thing to

1422
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: have been able to be part of developing and it's

1423
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 3: going amazing in Australia. People everyone the tries, it loves it,

1424
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 3: and it's it's just started starting to go game busters.

1425
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: Because hydration has become a big deal.

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01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, for some reason, I've last I mean, the only

1427
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 4: time you ever heard about is when you had diarrhea

1428
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 4: or had gastric problem and your mom would go down

1429
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 4: to the chemistry, come back with a little packet of stuff.

1430
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 4: You have two or three of them, and yeah, that

1431
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 4: was usually how that how we roll with that, although

1432
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 4: and sometimes my dad used to come up with little

1433
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 4: salt tablets and give you a salt tablet.

1434
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, sodium is a key, like a key electrolyte, is

1435
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: it in what you're in? Lose a lot in sweat

1436
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 3: and if you don't have enough in it, you'll be

1437
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 3: cramping like that in some of the world cauts, you know,

1438
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: we're doing like you need it and it's yeah, it's in.

1439
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: It's one of the electrocics.

1440
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: What about something like me, like I'm not train, but

1441
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't train to the level you train, but I

1442
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: train every day.

1443
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: But I'm talking a lot. I'm going I'm doing this

1444
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 4: sort of stuff a lot. I mean, I'm you know,

1445
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 4: you're perspiring even though you're not doing much. But I'm

1446
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 4: still perspiring all the time.

1447
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: How do you work out?

1448
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 4: How does one know if they're dehydrated or they need hydrationally?

1449
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 4: Do I get a headache or is there some symptoms

1450
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 4: apart from cramping.

1451
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, lethargy, feel tired, Yeah, like leather gy, you know,

1452
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 3: maybe headaches, yeah, general lower energy. Yeah, can be a

1453
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: variety of things. But the electrolytes, it just supports the

1454
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 3: key key like bodily functions. And it's also like a

1455
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,919
Speaker 3: vitality thing as well, like you kind of feel feel peppier,

1456
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: you feel better because a lot of the water and

1457
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 3: I didn't really know this before, but a lot of

1458
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 3: water is sort of stripped of it's dead water, especially

1459
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 3: like bottled water. Yeah, it's stripped of like the natural

1460
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: minerals from the earth that you'd get when we used to,

1461
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: you know, just drink out of springs and rivers and stuff,

1462
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, before we had all you know what we

1463
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: have in the world now in society. So the water

1464
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 3: we drink is usually void of all that stuff, and

1465
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 3: so you have to put it back in.

1466
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: At it back in.

1467
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1468
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 4: So and why did you call it doctor hydrate? How

1469
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 4: to help you get that name registered?

1470
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: Like that's a question. Pretty cool, Yeah, it is cool.

1471
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: It felt felt like I felt semi medicinal but also

1472
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 3: kind of groovy.

1473
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 4: What is it is groovy, but it's it's also semi

1474
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: it is sort of it's actually probably fully medicinal because

1475
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 4: I think what we're all run off doing protein powders

1476
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. It's all great, Yeah,

1477
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 4: but this is a pretty basic thing.

1478
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: Hydration.

1479
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do not drink enough good water. Yeah, no

1480
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: one does. And that's I learned it through assumming. But

1481
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 3: that's something that I now will take with me into

1482
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 3: my life even when I'm not, you know, all exercise

1483
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 3: going forward for general wellbeing. But I'm not going to

1484
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 3: be doing anywhere near what I was doing, but I'll

1485
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: still be taking hydration in the morning pre post exercise.

1486
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: And one other things on now. Apart from that.

1487
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: Music music, music, I started to write and record different

1488
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: style to work again, guitar based, so a bit of

1489
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 3: guitar based stuff. And also I'm really into I'm really

1490
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: into the jazz and blues kind of stuff.

1491
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: Favorite.

1492
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 3: So I love, I love and drew a lot especially

1493
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: the last few years, a lot of inspiration from a

1494
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: lot of the sort of forties, fifties kind of kroners.

1495
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: All those kind of those kind of guys.

1496
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 3: I got up. I got up when I was in

1497
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 3: Paris actually last month. I was at this like underground

1498
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: jazz bar two in the morning, and I got up

1499
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 3: and saying the way you look tonight by Sinata with

1500
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 3: the band up there, and I just it just gave

1501
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 3: me the bug. In the past, I've done musical theater.

1502
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: I did a show on Broadway in twenty eighteen, wow,

1503
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: And so I'm interested in a bit of that again.

1504
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 3: I enjoy the stage, acting and performing as well as

1505
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 3: my own stuff. So I'll be trying to find fun

1506
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 3: projects to do on stage and with musicals and acting

1507
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: in that. But I'm also looking at writing and recording

1508
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 3: another record.

1509
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 4: So more is it more of the singing, the jazz territory,

1510
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 4: and more the instruments. In terms of the blues we're

1511
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 4: putting yourself, like ket.

1512
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: Ill play, I gotta I gotta develop, I suppose the

1513
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: sound for the next, the next thing. But a lot

1514
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 3: of the guitar style that I'm playing at the moment

1515
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: is blues inspired. And I really enjoy writing my own stuff,

1516
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 3: but I also really enjoy singing the kind of the

1517
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 3: jazz standards in that as well. So I'm trying to

1518
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 3: find a nice, like little blend of how I can

1519
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 3: do my original thing, but also sort of pay a

1520
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 3: bit of homage to stars that I love as well.

1521
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: I lived in Chicago for a while, worked in Chicago

1522
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: for a while, and there was like, no joke, it

1523
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: was a jazz bar and a jazz band, jazz singers

1524
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: and all musicians on there every night in some barman. Yeah,

1525
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: it was yeah, mental.

1526
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: With Chicago and New York just have those that feel

1527
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: yeah yeah.

1528
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: And I got stuck there.

1529
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: I remember once I was due to flat and the

1530
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: and the massive snowstorm happened and work up the mornings

1531
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 4: like five foot of snow outside hotel. Everything was stopped

1532
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 4: and I had to stay in Chicago for a full week,

1533
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 4: had nothing to do, so I couldn't even get to.

1534
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: Work to the office.

1535
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 4: So I just I was very close to the all

1536
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 4: the jazz bars, and every night they plo out like

1537
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 4: a track from my.

1538
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: Hotel, not for me, but for everybody else.

1539
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 4: And I tracked straight to all these bars and every

1540
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: night I went there was so cool.

1541
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: It was like the best, yeah, the best.

1542
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: I love it's kind of a dying you know, it's

1543
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 3: kind of a dying dying arcade. I don't know. I

1544
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: think it's just genre wise, it's not as not as

1545
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: popular among young people. There's there's new genres, but it's

1546
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's got a feeling that you know,

1547
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 3: you can't get from anything else that I want to

1548
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: actually got to feel to it in a way keep

1549
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: alive in some sense for for younger people. So that's

1550
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 3: that's part of my goal.

1551
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you end up getting a record player and you

1552
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 4: get you put Muddy Waters on the record, and you'll

1553
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 4: be you'll be playing Muddy Waters.

1554
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it sounds like yet old.

1555
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: I am getting help. Yeah, yeah, I feel it happening

1556
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 3: in real time.

1557
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's crazy because you just you know, you

1558
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: just went to the Conmwealth Games and you know you're meddled,

1559
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 4: and you're going to the you know, you went to

1560
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 4: the train for the Olympic Trials and you know, like

1561
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 4: it doesn't you're only twenty seven. It doesn't sound that old,

1562
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: but but in terms of the life you've lived, you

1563
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 4: are sort of old.

1564
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a bad.

1565
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 3: Way, No, No, I know what you mean, I've lived

1566
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 3: two lifetimes or condensed lifetimes, but lifetimes nonetheless.

1567
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, like seriously, because now you're saying, well, you know,

1568
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to move on from that.

1569
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 6: From that swimming thing, an athletic career and the kid

1570
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 6: riding a bike on music videos, singing while this is

1571
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 6: going down there in l A and then later on

1572
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 6: singing to big audiences.

1573
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 4: Need to jazz and blues. You know, next thing, you know,

1574
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 4: you're going to tell me you're going to get yourself

1575
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: a hard and you're gonna start playing like, you know,

1576
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, real bluesy stuff.

1577
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 3: How cool is that stuff? I love it?

1578
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I did lessons on it, Like is

1579
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: the hardest thing to do? It's really hard to get

1580
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 4: that one sound?

1581
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to get that one note.

1582
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 4: Because you keep sort of mixing up all the time.

1583
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 4: And in the end, I just I was working pretty

1584
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 4: had so and I giving it up.

1585
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: I gave it up, but I might go to it

1586
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: because I just I just love the sound of it.

1587
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: It's good, fine, and it has a feel.

1588
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if it's nostalgia or if it's

1589
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 3: what it is, but it's it's a happy, sad.

1590
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 4: But ultimately it's comforting to me. Yeah, but do you

1591
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 4: feel as though you can't do it properly? Particularly the

1592
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: blues bit. And I often think this to myself. I

1593
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 4: can't appreciate probably because I've never lived that dirties period

1594
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 4: when it was sort of introduced to us, the blues,

1595
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 4: you know, with people very poor, particularly the black people.

1596
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they used it as an outlet for themselves.

1597
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: In a sense. Yeah, Like you know, there's part of

1598
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 3: that that you're never going to experience firsthand. But I

1599
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 3: think you can find the spirit of it and try

1600
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: and capture it. If you love the style and you

1601
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: love the feeling of the music, you can try and

1602
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 3: find the spirit of it and capture it.

1603
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: Because I wonder whether you know, people like me, for example,

1604
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 4: can only ever be an observer as opposed to be

1605
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,520
Speaker 4: a participant, because you're actually trying to become a participant

1606
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 4: in it. I can observe the feeling, yeah, but I

1607
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 4: can never claim I can be a participant because I'd

1608
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 4: feel as though, I mean, I'm not that musical for

1609
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 4: a start. But and I don't play the instrument like

1610
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 4: you know, the guitar like you do, And you can

1611
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 4: play blues guitar, but to really participate in it, you

1612
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 4: nearly feel like you've got to be like sitting in

1613
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 4: one of those places, you know, in South South of

1614
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 4: the United States, where you know the black community was

1615
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 4: actually singing the blues and playing the blues in order.

1616
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: To get that sense of feeling. I mean, you've gone

1617
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: through a lot of stuff in your life, and you've

1618
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: mastered by the way you've mastered so many things. It's mental.

1619
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: If anybody's going to be able to do it, it's you.

1620
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel as though you can get that sense

1621
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: of it.

1622
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 4: From Australia or do you feel I think maybe I'm

1623
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 4: going to go back over there for a bit.

1624
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I've spent a bit of

1625
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 3: time in through the South. I've spent a time in Memphis,

1626
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 3: spent a time in Nashville recording and that kind of stuff.

1627
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I think that.

1628
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 3: I think i'd like to I'd like to think I

1629
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 3: can stay here and capture some of it, you know,

1630
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 3: and have it here. But you know, I do plan

1631
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: on I do plan on being somewhat of a traveler,

1632
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 3: you know, my future and being able to spend time

1633
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: in different cultures and cities. And that's so I will

1634
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,959
Speaker 3: and want to spend more time in some of those places,

1635
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 3: the music history type talents, Yeah, just for sake of feeling,

1636
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 3: feeling that and understanding where you know those A lot

1637
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 3: of that stuff comes from because even the jazz like

1638
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: even even you know, the big band jazz like that

1639
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 3: stuff will comes from from there too, comes from America.

1640
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Is obviously all popular popularized by by you know, the

1641
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 3: sinatras of the Well, but there's roots to it.

1642
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember, especially jazz big bands like people like

1643
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 4: her Belt Albert and the Tierwana Brass's music. It's so good,

1644
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 4: it's so good and and I mean, I don't want

1645
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 4: to get any private life, but do you think, well,

1646
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 4: Emma from here on end, at some stage, like if

1647
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 4: you guys, you know, go the next to the next level,

1648
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 4: do you think she would be the same sort of

1649
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 4: person with you like you travel as a fan because

1650
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 4: your mum and dad did you supported you both, but

1651
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 4: they supported you, but they're also supporting each other in

1652
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 4: terms of what they wanted to do for you for

1653
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 4: their kid.

1654
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: And that's a big deal.

1655
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And and that's that's an important that's an

1656
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 3: important factor for me going forward is you know, and

1657
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 3: I know you have those thoughts about well, I'm going

1658
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: to be you know, the father and sort of you know,

1659
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 3: the patriarch I guess of a unit eventually, you know,

1660
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: And that's that's an exciting idea, Like that's that's also

1661
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 3: you know, there's pride in that, there's I like that,

1662
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, that idea and being able to do that

1663
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 3: with with a woman, like it's beautiful and and it's

1664
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 3: something that I don't want to neglect in you know,

1665
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: my travels and my exploration of you know, music or

1666
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 3: an art form, right, Like, it's something I want to

1667
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: And we've had that chat, you know about traveling together

1668
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 3: and you know, her coming along for the ride and

1669
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 3: some of that stuff.

1670
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: And because that's an exciting thing.

1671
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: Because it's hard not to be selfish, I mean, to

1672
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: be good at something.

1673
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be a bit selfish, you do.

1674
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 4: And to some extent what your you did in terms

1675
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 4: of your swimming career and your musical career, you were.

1676
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 3: Goal focused and those were selfish pursuits, like I was

1677
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 3: in a good way a lot for.

1678
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: Those yeah, and you had but you had to do

1679
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: to get to where you had to get to.

1680
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 4: There's no the way in terms of living a life,

1681
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 4: a full life either from now on, either with a

1682
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 4: part with that party. Again must be selfish, but at

1683
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 4: the same time we've got to start a compromise a lot.

1684
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 4: There's a lot of compromise involved in particularly you have kids.

1685
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 3: You have to be considerate, you have to consider other people.

1686
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: A lot of compromise feelings. And he reads you think, yeah, yeah,

1687
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 3: that's cool, and I think that's part of growing up too.

1688
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 3: And I you know, you see, I've seen and been

1689
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: around a lot of people, especially in entertainment. It's quite

1690
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 3: common that you see older people that didn't want to

1691
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 3: make those compromises, and you get to that age of

1692
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: forty fifty years old and there's something missing there, you know,

1693
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 3: that's that that sense of family and that part's missing.

1694
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be one of those those

1695
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 3: musicians that he's older without that and that sort of

1696
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 3: didn't didn't consider our priority as that and only was

1697
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 3: it was strictly selfish.

1698
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's for me.

1699
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 3: You know, I had my years of that, and you know,

1700
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 3: when something means enough to you, and you know, family

1701
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 3: does and will mean that much to me. It will

1702
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 3: always be part of part of the picture.

1703
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 4: And do you mind be asking you this as a parent,

1704
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 4: and I won't ask you to speak for Emma, but

1705
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 4: as a parent, given your genetics, and let's make an

1706
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 4: assumption seek assumption that you've got genetics said too, would

1707
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,959
Speaker 4: you encourage your kids to become swimmers?

1708
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: I've thought a lot about that, especially lately because I'm going, Oh,

1709
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 3: I swim, and is that something i'd want, especially with

1710
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 3: experience I've just been there, is that something i'd want

1711
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 3: for my kids? And it's hard to say, Like, I

1712
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 3: think that the most you can do is what my

1713
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 3: parents have probably EM's parents did for her, which was

1714
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 3: just put you and learn to swim. Yeah, for safety reasons,

1715
01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: you know, because I want my kids to be able

1716
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: to feel comfortable at the beach, you know, for living

1717
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:02,839
Speaker 3: in Australia.

1718
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: Obviously we're going to be going to the beach.

1719
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 5: You know.

1720
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 3: I want them to be able to learn how to

1721
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 3: surf and do surf life saving all that I enjoy

1722
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 3: doing growing up. And you want them to feel competent

1723
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 3: enough in those scenarios to enjoy the ocean. And then

1724
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 3: if like pool swimming, and competitive swimming is of interest

1725
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: and of you know, if they if they enjoy it,

1726
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 3: then then I'll encourage it. But if they don't, I'm

1727
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 3: definitely not going to be one to make them.

1728
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: Because you would have seen it. You would have seen

1729
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: growing up as a swimmer, and I definitely would have

1730
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: seen it because she swam for a longer period as

1731
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,719
Speaker 1: a swimmer, but that she didn't have the musical intervention

1732
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: like you did where you've got parents and I've seen

1733
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: it football said all sorts of places who pushed the kid.

1734
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 3: And.

1735
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 4: I mean it's good. Look, it's a great sport, it's

1736
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 4: a great discipline. They learned a lot of stuff about

1737
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 4: themselves that that push. Sometimes you need sometimes kids, you.

1738
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 2: Need a little tough love at time a little bit.

1739
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean that's gonna be a great question

1740
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: for you to a.

1741
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Great dilemma for you guys to have to deal with

1742
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,480
Speaker 4: at some stage, because you're definitely gonna have the genetics

1743
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 4: there and what makes.

1744
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: Sense and you're going to be thinking you yourself.

1745
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 4: I don't want this kid to waste what God has

1746
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 4: given them through you know, through the multitude of probabilities.

1747
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Of someone coming out a good swimmer.

1748
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 4: If anybody or a good athlete generally, if anyone's going

1749
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 4: to have that, that genetics.

1750
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: Is going to be would be the combination of you too.

1751
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Then you feel as though an obligation should I am

1752
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I obliged to cultivate that? And how hard do you

1753
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 1: push that's that's gonna that? It would be a really

1754
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: tricky thing to do.

1755
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it'll be something to balance for sure, because

1756
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: that you know, you want to you want to be

1757
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 3: tough to the point of teaching them. You know that

1758
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 3: that it's important too, that you need some measure of

1759
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 3: discipline right to do anything in life. And so and

1760
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 3: you see a lot of kids these days and just

1761
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 3: they don't have that, you know, they're not taught that

1762
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: because because there is that element of, oh, we don't

1763
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 3: want to be tough on our yeah kids, you know.

1764
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: And I can't speak for parents. I don't know what

1765
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 3: it's like, but.

1766
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: You don't want to go too soft.

1767
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't want to force

1768
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 3: my kid to do anything that they don't want to do.

1769
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 3: And I was lucky that my parents never forced me

1770
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 3: to train or forced me to get up.

1771
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you forced them to take it.

1772
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 3: I force them to take me. Yeah. If anything, Hopefully,

1773
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 3: if my kids anything like me, they're going to have

1774
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 3: a little inherent drive. And so I'm hoping that's you know,

1775
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 3: enough to then be able to nurture in whatever path

1776
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 3: they choose to take. They could be a you know anything, biologist,

1777
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 3: or a tennis player or a you know it, could

1778
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 3: be a musician. So I don't know.

1779
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:53,759
Speaker 1: Cody Simpson.

1780
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 4: I hope I'm doing this in ten years time, and

1781
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 4: I hope that you come back in ten years time with.

1782
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 3: Your little my little little one.

1783
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can tell me how your kids going

1784
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,560
Speaker 4: in relation to that part of your life, because I

1785
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 4: actually think I have to be fascinated.

1786
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fascinated to experience it. So I'm excited to

1787
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 3: experience it.

1788
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: And I want to say thank you very much for

1789
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 1: coming in today.

1790
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 3: Lake.

1791
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 1: It's been awesome.

1792
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 4: Congratulations, by the way, on your life. Thank you everything

1793
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 4: you've done in your life and the way you've done it,

1794
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 4: probably more importantly, thank you.

1795
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1796
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time and the chat today.

1797
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 3: It's been great.