WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 24 September 0:00:02.660 --> 0:00:08.390 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. Love you too. Now, 0:00:08.510 --> 0:00:12.250 let us get into a very big show tonight. Of course, 0:00:12.289 --> 0:00:15.230 the news that we just must, because we are loyal 0:00:15.270 --> 0:00:17.660 to the Prime Minister on this program, before we get 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.279 to anything else, congratulations, the Prime Minister has won an 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.640 award as a Global Citizen. 0:00:24.850 --> 0:00:27.030 Recipient of the 2026 Atlantic Council Citizen Award, the White 0:00:27.070 --> 0:00:28.480 Honourable Anthony Agnesi. 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.740 Please make a note. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.160 Hey, and keep it going for the Prime Minister because 0:01:00.420 --> 0:01:25.670 unemployment has hit a five-year high. Well done, sir. APPLAUSE 0:01:26.230 --> 0:01:29.220 I mean, this is emotional, right? He also has been 0:01:29.260 --> 0:01:33.740 awarded because Australians are scrambling for a second job to 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.060 help pay rising mortgage repayments and the cost of living. 0:01:37.100 --> 0:01:38.440 Well done, sir. Well done. 0:01:39.060 --> 0:01:40.649 APPLAUSE I mean. 0:01:52.050 --> 0:01:55.690 Two-thirds of Victorians are apparently having difficulties right now working 0:01:55.750 --> 0:01:58.970 out whether they spend their money on food or on 0:01:59.010 --> 0:02:08.600 heating or on cooling. Well done, sir. Well done. And 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.120 a record number of kids are staying at home for longer. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:12.640 Than ever before. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:20.920 Sir, we salute you. I mean, global citizen, right? 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:21.160 I mean. 0:02:22.460 --> 0:02:25.100 Can we make him the Australian of the Year every year? 0:02:25.210 --> 0:02:31.390 Because everything's going so well. Now, about this little award. 0:02:32.850 --> 0:02:34.570 You know when you get an invitation to a wedding 0:02:34.590 --> 0:02:35.970 and you might have something on, but you cancel it 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.459 because wedding, you know, once in a lifetime, right? Maybe twice, 0:02:38.500 --> 0:02:40.440 maybe three times, who knows? They don't always work out, 0:02:40.460 --> 0:02:43.680 but you've got to go, right? And when it comes 0:02:43.780 --> 0:02:46.620 to an award like this, an International Citizens Award, I mean, 0:02:47.290 --> 0:02:48.650 Surely this is given out by the President of the 0:02:48.669 --> 0:02:51.840 United States or the, you know, the King of England. 0:02:51.940 --> 0:02:54.800 So surely that would be like the reason to cancel 0:02:54.840 --> 0:03:02.160 all your plans and go above everything else. Well, sort of, 0:03:03.090 --> 0:03:06.310 sort of. Now, yes, he is a global citizen, okay? 0:03:06.410 --> 0:03:09.330 A global citizen who is just doing incredible things for, 0:03:09.850 --> 0:03:16.870 you know, What's the world? $ 7 billion minus Australia's $ 28 million, okay, 0:03:16.889 --> 0:03:19.550 for $ 6, 900, 000. Roughly, okay. So there's more people who don't 0:03:19.570 --> 0:03:22.840 live in Australia than in Australia, right? So presumably because 0:03:22.850 --> 0:03:25.420 no one in Australia would vote for this, that's why 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.900 he got the award. And, I mean, have a look 0:03:27.940 --> 0:03:30.359 at the smiling faces there. He was amongst just the 0:03:30.419 --> 0:03:34.830 best possible of company, right? There's John Wick. uh second 0:03:34.890 --> 0:03:38.720 row third in um so this was a united nations 0:03:38.780 --> 0:03:41.180 award right i mean again why would you want to 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.760 dress up in a you know tuxedo with the bow 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.740 tie right when a time when literally three million people 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.050 won't be able to feed themselves properly this week in 0:03:49.250 --> 0:03:53.870 australia it's a un award right no it was from 0:03:53.910 --> 0:03:57.330 a thing called the atlantic council now before we start 0:03:57.350 --> 0:03:59.190 saying hang on hang on paul paul paul paul paul 0:04:00.010 --> 0:04:03.470 The Atlantic Council. How dare you not approve of this 0:04:03.530 --> 0:04:06.560 as the most important event in the world anywhere today? 0:04:07.530 --> 0:04:10.200 Can I read from their website? The Atlantic Council promotes 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:15.540 constructive leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the 0:04:15.980 --> 0:04:22.280 Atlantic community's central role in meeting global challenges. Well, okay. 0:04:22.779 --> 0:04:26.029 So this is a UN thing, right? Again, no. The 0:04:26.070 --> 0:04:30.289 Atlantic Council, through its papers it publishes, the ideas it generates, 0:04:30.550 --> 0:04:34.400 the future leaders it develops and the communities it builds, 0:04:35.260 --> 0:04:39.020 shapes the policy choices and strategies to create a more free, 0:04:39.060 --> 0:04:43.260 secure and prosperous world. Also, it's not even a government thing. 0:04:43.339 --> 0:04:47.140 It's a think tank. The Global Citizenship Award that has 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.920 been handed out to the Prime Minister that was worth... 0:04:50.310 --> 0:04:52.990 Rubbing the average Australian knows his face is right in 0:04:53.029 --> 0:04:55.150 it because, you know, you can't have an investment property, 0:04:55.190 --> 0:04:57.110 but I can have an investment property. In fact, I 0:04:57.130 --> 0:04:58.430 can have lots of them and then I can sell 0:04:58.470 --> 0:05:01.029 them all and then I can retire to the mansion 0:05:01.070 --> 0:05:03.440 on the hill on the central coast. Nothing to see here. 0:05:03.980 --> 0:05:04.380 One of us. 0:05:05.540 --> 0:05:08.580 Now, okay, right. So it's not a once in a 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.820 lifetime thing. It's not the UN. It's a think tank 0:05:11.940 --> 0:05:14.720 that invited John Wick to be one of the presenters. 0:05:14.900 --> 0:05:17.210 And I like Keanu Reeves, but I don't know if 0:05:17.230 --> 0:05:19.870 I'd choose him over the optics of the Australian people. 0:05:20.190 --> 0:05:24.510 So who got these awards along with the Prime Minister? Well, OK, 0:05:24.529 --> 0:05:27.890 there's the President of the Republic of Finland. OK, so 0:05:28.190 --> 0:05:32.050 it's for political leaders, right? People running countries. Oh, no. 0:05:33.170 --> 0:05:37.210 The other person who won was the CEO of Formula One. 0:05:39.070 --> 0:05:43.660 So Global Citizenship Award also went to the President and 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.360 CEO of Formula One. OK, OK, so... So, okay, all right. 0:05:48.570 --> 0:05:52.779 He's sort of a global leader. It's a global sport, right? Okay, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.680 who's the fourth one? Who's that? Cynthia Erivo. 0:05:58.420 --> 0:05:59.200 Cynthia Erivo. 0:05:59.220 --> 0:06:02.420 Does she run a country? 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:02.500 No. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.000 Where do I remember her from? Oh, that's right. She's 0:06:07.190 --> 0:06:12.550 Alphabet from the movie Wicked. The Prime Minister, global award. 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.210 was given out to the bloke who runs Formula One 0:06:18.930 --> 0:06:23.370 and the lady from the Wicked movie. Now, of course, 0:06:23.450 --> 0:06:26.510 the press in Australia are always respectful to the Prime Minister. 0:06:26.550 --> 0:06:29.920 I mean, do not, do not be sarcastic about this. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.400 It's a massive thing, right? Movie stars, I mean, again, 0:06:34.460 --> 0:06:38.020 cost a living. Who cares, right? Unemployment, five-year high, by the. 0:06:37.980 --> 0:06:42.560 Way, today. Again, who cares about what's happening when it 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.500 comes to people and particularly Victorians when their groceries, whatever, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.080 it doesn't matter. So, yeah, on the behalf of the 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.160 28 million people who actually live in this country and 0:06:51.500 --> 0:06:55.080 live under the consequences of this bloke's leadership, I think 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.700 the Sheila from Wicked sung it best. 0:07:09.810 --> 0:07:12.760 I really like that movie, though. If only his poll 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:20.210 numbers could defy gravity like that movie did. Now, a 0:07:20.390 --> 0:07:23.150 bit more news on the award-winning Prime Minister, which is, 0:07:23.690 --> 0:07:26.270 as you know, this Prime Minister, apart from making every 0:07:26.310 --> 0:07:28.790 decision correctly, he's never told a lie. 0:07:29.930 --> 0:07:31.510 My word is my bond. 0:07:32.770 --> 0:07:35.950 Apart from when he did. Can you rule out any 0:07:36.010 --> 0:07:38.920 changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax? 0:07:38.940 --> 0:07:39.130 Yes. 0:07:39.770 --> 0:07:42.920 How hard is it for the 50th time? But then 0:07:42.980 --> 0:07:45.340 he didn't lie, apparently. 0:07:46.300 --> 0:07:47.760 This is a change in our policy. 0:07:47.980 --> 0:07:52.380 We have changed our position. We're changing our position. I mean, 0:07:52.420 --> 0:07:54.700 and again, the haters want to pretend that, you know, 0:07:54.730 --> 0:07:56.990 during the last election he fell off a stage, but 0:07:57.070 --> 0:08:00.650 come on, there's no proof that that happened. I stepped 0:08:00.930 --> 0:08:04.150 back one step. I didn't fall off the stage. Just 0:08:04.310 --> 0:08:09.030 one leg went down, but I was sweet. So, of course, 0:08:09.070 --> 0:08:12.680 the social media, big tech war that this government is 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.040 trying to fight, thinking that it's going to somehow deliver 0:08:16.140 --> 0:08:18.200 us from the evils of the internet that supposedly they 0:08:18.220 --> 0:08:21.440 already saved all of the kids from last year. Now, remember... 0:08:21.970 --> 0:08:25.070 The digital duty of care, which involves a specific power 0:08:25.090 --> 0:08:27.650 for the minister to be able to strike something off 0:08:27.670 --> 0:08:31.210 the internet if she personally decides that it is harmful, 0:08:31.630 --> 0:08:34.869 is definitely not about misinformation. 0:08:36.590 --> 0:08:39.650 No, this isn't about misinformation. This is about basic safety 0:08:39.700 --> 0:08:43.099 standards that Australians should expect from an industry that is 0:08:43.140 --> 0:08:44.940 selling them and their children products. 0:08:45.980 --> 0:08:48.300 I mean, the Prime Minister wouldn't say that, would he? 0:08:48.340 --> 0:08:50.780 Because that would be the exact opposite of what they've 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.860 been telling us since introducing this piece of legislation that 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.970 no-one but the Greens will support. 0:08:57.050 --> 0:08:59.470 The truth is this is having an impact on our 0:08:59.510 --> 0:09:05.309 entire society and how it functions, with misinformation, disinformation, with 0:09:05.350 --> 0:09:09.610 the increased polarisation that we're seeing as well in the 0:09:09.670 --> 0:09:14.280 political system. where people are moving away from the centre 0:09:14.380 --> 0:09:16.700 and more and more to the extremes, be they of 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:17.780 the left or the right. 0:09:18.780 --> 0:09:23.469 But guess what? Apparently he didn't say that when he 0:09:23.510 --> 0:09:27.770 was confronted about the obvious contradictions in the stated reasons 0:09:27.890 --> 0:09:30.890 for the legislation that inside it has a big red 0:09:30.929 --> 0:09:33.890 button for Annika Wells to be able to disappear whatever 0:09:33.929 --> 0:09:38.340 she doesn't like off the internet. What did he say again? 0:09:40.330 --> 0:09:41.810 I didn't link the two yesterday. 0:09:44.550 --> 0:09:48.390 Silly us. We only saw what you said and played 0:09:48.429 --> 0:09:53.210 it to everyone. Meantime, there is a question that is 0:09:53.250 --> 0:09:55.910 a relentless question that I wish the media could work 0:09:55.990 --> 0:10:00.190 out how to ask the Minister, which is, please explain... 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:05.620 why you deserve the power to decide what should live 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.440 or die on the internet. Now, in the legislation... that 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.900 I've previously said before, I think the majority of Australians 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.179 would have no real problem with, which is there's a 0:10:15.179 --> 0:10:17.920 whole bunch of stuff that's listed, right? You can't show 0:10:17.980 --> 0:10:20.700 how to use drugs, how to build a bomb, nothing 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:26.030 about anorexia, these sorts of things. This is all common sense, right? 0:10:26.350 --> 0:10:28.449 So all of that has been listed. The parliament will 0:10:28.470 --> 0:10:31.650 debate it and then vote on that power, okay? But 0:10:31.670 --> 0:10:33.530 then there's the asterisk at the bottom, which is the 0:10:33.650 --> 0:10:36.250 minister has the power to nuke whatever she wants, right? 0:10:36.490 --> 0:10:39.650 Look what happens when someone kinder gets near that question 0:10:39.990 --> 0:10:43.980 about the clear distinction, the hole in the Death Star 0:10:44.220 --> 0:10:46.319 of this policy. What does she do? 0:10:46.340 --> 0:10:51.700 According to News24 polling, almost half of Australians are uncomfortable 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.910 with you having the power to determine additional categories of 0:10:54.950 --> 0:10:59.250 harmful content, rising to 63% among 18 to 24-year-olds. Why 0:10:59.270 --> 0:11:03.400 should Australians trust a politician... to decide what constitutes harm 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.240 online when so many voters clearly don't want you to 0:11:06.300 --> 0:11:08.959 have that power? Will you consider removing it from the 0:11:08.980 --> 0:11:09.840 digital duty of care? 0:11:10.380 --> 0:11:12.640 Harry, I was heartened that that same News 24 polling 0:11:12.660 --> 0:11:15.870 that you're referring to showed that 70% of Australians support 0:11:16.250 --> 0:11:18.929 and want a digital duty of care to be introduced. 0:11:20.790 --> 0:11:23.949 The polling, because remember, I stood all the way over 0:11:23.990 --> 0:11:27.580 there in front of that big screen and I showed you, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:33.670 did show that there was, about 70%, general support for 0:11:33.690 --> 0:11:38.920 the legislation. However, inside of that number was a very 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.440 big chunk of people who have a specific problem with 0:11:41.460 --> 0:11:43.500 what I have just said how many times about the 0:11:43.540 --> 0:11:47.360 minister's power. But because she thinks, well, that's just News 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.240 24 polling, no-one's going to pay attention to that, she 0:11:50.260 --> 0:11:52.600 just doesn't engage with the question. To any and everyone 0:11:52.620 --> 0:11:54.729 who gets a chance to ask Annika Wells any questions, 0:11:55.429 --> 0:11:59.670 here's the first question. Minister, why do you need the power... 0:11:59.870 --> 0:12:03.160 to personally decide what gets nuked from the internet. She 0:12:03.220 --> 0:12:05.300 changes the subject. No, no, I understand about the duty 0:12:05.340 --> 0:12:09.059 of care, but inside it, the legislation says you, the minister, 0:12:09.300 --> 0:12:11.370 has the individual power. Don't have to check with anyone. 0:12:11.429 --> 0:12:13.790 Don't have to check with the parliament. You yourself can 0:12:14.010 --> 0:12:16.429 deem something to be harmful. Why do we need that? 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.059 Does she offer an answer? Probably not. When she again 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.220 refuses to answer, you ask the question again. Sorry, one 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.179 more time, Minister. Could you please explain why do we 0:12:26.260 --> 0:12:30.420 need the specific power to give you the specific power 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.030 to nuke what you consider harmful off the internet? To 0:12:34.070 --> 0:12:37.910 quote someone else, please explain. See what happens. But of course, 0:12:37.990 --> 0:12:40.270 change the subject. I'm off to the grand final because 0:12:40.490 --> 0:12:46.040 I'm the Spice Manistar. Now, to climate change. El Nino, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.270 which is the super dry, super hot version of weather systems, 0:12:50.309 --> 0:12:53.709 is about to move its way through Australia. It is 0:12:53.750 --> 0:12:55.670 going to be what we understand to be a bloody 0:12:55.750 --> 0:12:58.010 hot summer, right? So, yes, there's going to be bushfires, 0:12:58.030 --> 0:13:00.670 all the rest of it, and how significant they are, 0:13:01.030 --> 0:13:03.890 worth talking about. And often when it comes to climate change, 0:13:03.910 --> 0:13:05.790 there's all sorts of predictions. But as you can see 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.100 on your screen, somebody's being very specific about what they 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.020 think is going to happen, not in the next 30 years, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:16.120 in the next six months. The Climate Impact Lab has 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.339 put together a map of the world. The redder the colour, 0:13:18.380 --> 0:13:22.580 the more people are apparently going to die between September 0:13:22.580 --> 0:13:24.540 2026 to February 2027. Now, apparently this will be compared 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.020 back to 1996 to 2025. But they have locked this in. 0:13:33.220 --> 0:13:38.079 How many more people will die between now and February? 0:13:39.140 --> 0:13:43.420 According to the suggestions here, Nigeria will be 31,000 people, 0:13:43.500 --> 0:13:47.240 Indonesia 19,000. You can see they're football stadiums of people, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.260 and I have never hoped for a report to be 0:13:49.770 --> 0:13:52.870 more wrong in my entire life. But let's see how 0:13:52.910 --> 0:13:54.650 specific we can be, just to check whether they're right 0:13:54.690 --> 0:13:59.150 or wrong, about Australia. Now, it doesn't matter if you 0:13:59.170 --> 0:14:00.910 click on any state in Australia, you get the same 0:14:00.950 --> 0:14:05.059 response here. that there will be 260 additional heat deaths 0:14:05.300 --> 0:14:09.040 in Australia. That will happen between, what's the period? September 0:14:09.059 --> 0:14:13.400 of this year to February of next year. Not total 260, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.800 but 260 extra ones. Now, what is fascinating about this 0:14:18.020 --> 0:14:20.100 is there is an awful lot of conjecture about how 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.040 much data is actually collected about whether excess deaths are 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.630 linked to extreme heat or extreme cold. Let's see whether 0:14:28.670 --> 0:14:30.870 we know, but we have a measurement now to go 0:14:30.950 --> 0:14:33.400 off and check. I have never hoped that a report 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.240 is more wrong in our life. But if it is 0:14:37.260 --> 0:14:39.100 going to be a super hot and hard summer, please 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.280 prepare in every way possible. And obviously, for those who 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.210 may need the comfort of an air conditioner or a fan, 0:14:46.230 --> 0:14:48.210 that's obviously going to cost a lot of money. But 0:14:48.230 --> 0:14:50.330 of course, we're not allowed to talk about that, right, 0:14:50.350 --> 0:14:54.710 because we're fixing all the greenhouse gases from China. Global 0:14:54.730 --> 0:14:59.690 Citizen Award, anyone? to the Victorian Premier, Ben Carroll, of course, 0:14:59.750 --> 0:15:02.560 fighting for his political life. Why? Because even after, weeks 0:15:02.620 --> 0:15:05.790 after getting rid of Jacinta Allen... He apparently remains, quote, 0:15:05.870 --> 0:15:10.030 deeply unpopular. The expectation is, according to this pollster, that 0:15:10.070 --> 0:15:13.700 Labor loses in Victoria. It'll either be, most likely, the 0:15:13.740 --> 0:15:15.520 Libs who end up forming government, probably with a couple 0:15:15.540 --> 0:15:16.820 of One Nation people to get them up and over 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.960 the line, but Labor would be gone. And Ben Carroll, 0:15:19.980 --> 0:15:23.020 since becoming the Premier of Victoria, has done everything he 0:15:23.060 --> 0:15:26.000 can to try to win a vote, including saying he's 0:15:26.100 --> 0:15:27.990 not the people he used to work for. 0:15:29.570 --> 0:15:31.910 I am not Daniel Andrews. 0:15:32.950 --> 0:15:33.630 I am not. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.460 And today he decided that the best way to get 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.760 to the Victorian people's heart was through their puppies. Apart 0:15:42.780 --> 0:15:44.760 from announcing also that pubs will be able to stay 0:15:44.900 --> 0:15:48.100 open later, perhaps as late as 3am in some places, 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.920 he also announced that you can bring your dog to 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:52.540 the pub. 0:15:53.900 --> 0:15:57.300 We are now going to allow our pubs to allow 0:15:58.230 --> 0:15:59.420 pets such as dogs. 0:16:01.170 --> 0:16:04.970 Excellent. What about my emotional support kangaroo? Can I bring 0:16:05.010 --> 0:16:08.670 that in as well? Now, of course, I have joined 0:16:08.750 --> 0:16:11.530 the puppy owner ranks this year. So now I understand. 0:16:11.590 --> 0:16:14.590 I previously, previously was not quite aware why everyone has 0:16:14.610 --> 0:16:17.530 to bring their dog everywhere. Certainly my yappy little dashy, 0:16:17.710 --> 0:16:19.530 I would understand. It'd be nice every now and then 0:16:19.550 --> 0:16:21.530 to bring him somewhere. But you reckon that's going to 0:16:21.550 --> 0:16:24.830 be enough for everyone to look the other way about 0:16:24.850 --> 0:16:28.190 the reality of life in Victoria? Because today, how's this? 0:16:28.550 --> 0:16:31.670 The total number of shoplifting, offences which have taken place 0:16:31.710 --> 0:16:35.130 in Victoria, it's through the roof, through the roof. We're 0:16:35.150 --> 0:16:40.050 talking about like an extra 46,000 cases of it. Now again, 0:16:40.410 --> 0:16:43.050 packet of PK might be something small, but we all 0:16:43.090 --> 0:16:46.330 know it's never just a packet of PK, which is 0:16:46.410 --> 0:16:48.670 chewing gum from last century that they still sell. I 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.420 quite liked the mint flavour from way back when. Here 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 is the opposition leader and potential premier responding to the 0:16:54.540 --> 0:16:55.440 real issue today. 0:16:56.140 --> 0:16:59.950 Crime remains at an unacceptable level in this state. Over 0:16:59.970 --> 0:17:02.610 the past four years of this Labor government, we have 0:17:02.670 --> 0:17:07.429 seen crime rates increase by 30%. The number of victims 0:17:07.490 --> 0:17:10.949 in crime in this state is unacceptable. But in November 0:17:10.990 --> 0:17:13.889 this year, Victorians will have an opportunity to change the 0:17:13.930 --> 0:17:14.830 direction of Victoria. 0:17:15.980 --> 0:17:18.159 The sun is coming up in Washington, D.C. at the 0:17:18.180 --> 0:17:20.520 start of their Thursday. We've already had it. I can 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.700 report back. It's an OK day. It's fine. Hope it 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.220 goes well for you. But there is going to be 0:17:25.420 --> 0:17:34.590 a very big event, and it's not Albo getting an award. OK, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.830 one time too many, but still. It's going to be 0:17:37.410 --> 0:17:40.790 the meeting between the leaders of China and the United States. 0:17:41.830 --> 0:17:45.050 President Xi is currently in Washington. He will meet with 0:17:45.109 --> 0:17:49.490 President Trump after President Trump met him and his wife 0:17:49.650 --> 0:17:53.810 as they arrived at Andrews Air Force Base in Washington. Now, 0:17:54.150 --> 0:17:56.149 I've got to say, as a person who's well and truly, 0:17:56.170 --> 0:17:57.649 you know, I'm aware of the Trump train, on the 0:17:57.670 --> 0:17:59.350 Trump train, still got the red hat and the I 0:17:59.369 --> 0:18:00.830 Can Speak ban and all the rest of it, right? 0:18:00.850 --> 0:18:04.189 And I'd certainly take him over Kamala still. This is 0:18:04.230 --> 0:18:06.610 a slightly different version of Donald Trump than the one 0:18:06.730 --> 0:18:09.889 that a lot of us, myself included, kind of cheered 0:18:10.030 --> 0:18:12.270 on because... I kind of know the difference between the 0:18:12.369 --> 0:18:15.169 free country that is the United States and then the 0:18:15.250 --> 0:18:18.490 obviously not version of China. And remember, one of the 0:18:18.530 --> 0:18:20.229 ways that Donald Trump used to stand out was his 0:18:20.550 --> 0:18:24.040 way of speaking about the alternative way of running the world. 0:18:25.220 --> 0:18:28.020 I've been saying China. China. China. China. 0:18:28.220 --> 0:18:28.560 China. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.060 Now, he's also said that, you know, they are the 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.810 front-on problem when it comes to AI. We've got to 0:18:34.940 --> 0:18:37.170 fight them. We've got to take them on. All of 0:18:37.230 --> 0:18:40.910 the military's about this stuff. Well, now he's talking about partnership. 0:18:41.990 --> 0:18:45.070 America and China have agreed to extend their fragile trade 0:18:45.170 --> 0:18:48.020 truce until January, with the temporary reprieve coming as Xi 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.500 Jinping declared both nations should be partners, not rivals. Oh, yeah, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.420 because that's how it works, isn't it? Let's work together, 0:18:54.540 --> 0:18:57.300 but I win, right? All of it happens in the 0:18:57.340 --> 0:18:58.440 middle of the night. You will see all of the 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:03.060 detail tomorrow morning when you wake here at News 24. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.440 In a moment or two, we will discuss the problem 0:19:07.500 --> 0:19:09.720 of kids that are sticking around too long at home. 0:19:09.780 --> 0:19:10.920 We will get to all of that in a moment 0:19:10.940 --> 0:19:13.660 or two's time. The winner and loser of the week. 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.320 And a look back at that intergenerational report with a 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.540 bloke who has a similar view to you, me and 0:19:18.580 --> 0:19:22.800 Joe Hockey, that you can't keep racking up debt. Plus, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.380 we'll have a good chat to one of Angry Anderson's 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.340 mates before we're done. Just getting started on the Prime 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:36.399 Ministerial award-winning recognition program, Paul Murray Live. Oh, and the 0:19:36.420 --> 0:19:38.629 man cat right now is the award-winning mate of the 0:19:38.670 --> 0:19:42.030 award-winning person, Hilda Brandon. No doubt she's won plenty of 0:19:42.050 --> 0:19:44.210 awards in her time too. Lisa Goddard from Redoni Media, 0:19:44.230 --> 0:19:44.850 lovely to see you. 0:19:44.869 --> 0:19:46.750 Always nice to be here. And what a night, Joe. 0:19:47.010 --> 0:19:49.050 Oh, it's great to be here. Fantastic. Thank you very much. 0:19:49.109 --> 0:19:51.379 I'd like to thank my mother. I'd like to thank God. 0:19:51.540 --> 0:19:54.340 Before our dear friend Joe, who must be going, the 0:19:54.380 --> 0:19:57.360 pay's not that good to turn up for this every week, right? 0:19:57.500 --> 0:19:59.530 Before we get to watch a mate of ours dig up. 0:19:59.810 --> 0:20:01.850 I mean, it's fun to watch it at a bar. 0:20:01.890 --> 0:20:02.970 You get to watch it on the telly. 0:20:03.270 --> 0:20:03.490 Lisa. 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.700 What did that look like today to the Australian people? 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.420 Like a man who's just a little out of touch 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.720 with this country, just a little bit out of touch 0:20:11.740 --> 0:20:13.740 with the average person out there. Do you know what 0:20:13.780 --> 0:20:15.900 I think, though? Most people would think, you know what, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.680 let's give him the Lifetime Global Citizen Award and let's 0:20:19.740 --> 0:20:21.400 send him on his way and maybe you can take 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:22.280 Chris Bowen with you. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.180 Correct. Look, again, as I sort of was clearly taking 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.270 the piss earlier, I understand if it's the UN and 0:20:29.310 --> 0:20:32.600 it's kind of a hefty Once in a lifetime thing, right? 0:20:33.020 --> 0:20:34.920 If it's a special medal pinned upon you by a 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.200 president of the United States, again, I get the bad 0:20:37.260 --> 0:20:38.770 look of it. But when it's an award from a 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.550 think tank that they also gave to the boss of 0:20:41.630 --> 0:20:45.830 Formula One, an alphabet from the Wicked movie, I wouldn't 0:20:45.890 --> 0:20:47.660 say it's that urgent to turn up in the tux 0:20:47.700 --> 0:20:48.740 and the old school 70s bow tie. 0:20:49.530 --> 0:20:52.830 Yeah, well, I mean, all the sartorial choices themselves. 0:20:53.030 --> 0:20:54.410 This was a form of GQ, man. 0:20:54.490 --> 0:20:57.889 Outstanding, that's right. I think, look, he was in. 0:20:57.930 --> 0:20:59.520 He had to go to the UN anyway to try 0:20:59.540 --> 0:21:01.379 and get our spot on the Security Council. He's in 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.240 New York. They've offered him the award. It's sort of 0:21:03.260 --> 0:21:06.710 rude not to, but... I completely agree. It is just 0:21:07.020 --> 0:21:09.040 an awful look. Like, I think he sort of. 0:21:08.970 --> 0:21:10.480 Had to go. 0:21:10.660 --> 0:21:12.220 Did he really have to go? 0:21:12.300 --> 0:21:14.760 But even then, turn. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.359 It down a little. 0:21:16.460 --> 0:21:20.240 I mean, I do obviously think, or know, shall we say, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.340 that the PM and Labor are in a world of 0:21:22.420 --> 0:21:25.300 pain right now. I think there is an element of... 0:21:26.020 --> 0:21:29.760 self-denial in the government, not the sort of self-denial they 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:33.040 should have by putting a hair shirt on and flogging 0:21:33.060 --> 0:21:35.100 themselves in a public display of sorrow. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:41.720 We're not on the diet days, but the wobble has begun. 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.530 If it was not for the fact that One Nation 0:21:44.770 --> 0:21:49.149 was eating the coalition alive, Labor would not win the 0:21:49.190 --> 0:21:52.730 next election. But thanks to the right cannibalising itself, they 0:21:52.790 --> 0:21:53.650 still probably will. 0:21:53.770 --> 0:21:53.910 What? 0:21:54.330 --> 0:21:56.990 Look, I know there'll be consequences for that analysis, but 0:21:57.010 --> 0:22:00.250 I appreciate the honesty, right? Which is, one thing that 0:22:00.270 --> 0:22:02.310 I'm really fascinated to see how it plays out, right? 0:22:02.350 --> 0:22:03.710 And again, there are those of us who watch it 0:22:03.750 --> 0:22:06.010 every single day and sometimes we maybe think that the 0:22:06.030 --> 0:22:07.710 good day is a little better than it might have 0:22:07.730 --> 0:22:09.109 been and the bad day is a little worse. But 0:22:09.150 --> 0:22:12.260 eventually you start to put things together. And again, there's 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.620 the majority of the country that doesn't pay attention because 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.780 they've got other stuff to do, right? But that other 0:22:16.820 --> 0:22:19.740 stuff to do is 15 interest rate rises. That other 0:22:19.780 --> 0:22:22.300 stuff to do is unemployment at a five-year high. That 0:22:22.380 --> 0:22:25.130 other stuff to do is you name it And there's 0:22:25.150 --> 0:22:27.690 a lot of problems. Now, yes, they can turn around 0:22:27.750 --> 0:22:29.770 and say it's global, this, that and the other. But 0:22:30.150 --> 0:22:32.310 at some point in time, you don't get that benefit 0:22:32.330 --> 0:22:35.389 of the doubt. And the opposition, remember, they're one area 0:22:35.970 --> 0:22:38.860 of any policy anywhere that they do better than everyone else. 0:22:38.890 --> 0:22:42.080 It is the economy. So if the election becomes about 0:22:42.260 --> 0:22:45.460 the economy, well, it'd be interesting to see whether that 0:22:45.540 --> 0:22:49.680 changes their fortunes. Now, the difficulty, of course, and again, 0:22:49.700 --> 0:22:54.340 this is where I'm in the spirit of annoying some 0:22:55.250 --> 0:22:58.570 is the problem, of course, for the opposition is, can 0:22:58.590 --> 0:23:01.369 you promise what you didn't deliver? Now, we saw with 0:23:01.410 --> 0:23:04.400 Chris Minns in New South Wales as an example, right? 0:23:04.500 --> 0:23:07.500 When the Keneally government got flushed years ago, basically every 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:13.369 backbencher went, every minister went, every almost-minister went, and Chris 0:23:13.410 --> 0:23:16.359 Minns wasn't even a minister anymore. in the last Labor 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.820 government so that you couldn't run any of the, this 0:23:18.859 --> 0:23:21.920 is the ghost of the governments you don't like stuff, right? 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.399 So that is all the potential attacks that are on 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.220 their way. But, look, again, I know that I can 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.200 see it. I can see it. Monday night on the ABC, 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.010 you know, somehow that, you know, everyone making a big 0:23:34.109 --> 0:23:36.690 deal out of this small, pissy little something, but sometimes 0:23:36.770 --> 0:23:40.510 little symbols, little symbols crack through to the normal world, 0:23:40.550 --> 0:23:44.149 like the bullshitting about the falling off the, They just 0:23:44.210 --> 0:23:47.810 remember that, right? They remember little things like this, and 0:23:47.850 --> 0:23:49.390 that's why I think it's just one of those ones 0:23:49.410 --> 0:23:52.180 that will stick in, dare I say, FM radio world. 0:23:52.300 --> 0:23:55.479 It's Joe Hockey and Matthias Cormann smoking cigars on 2014. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.700 It's out of touch. Nothing wrong with it, not illegal. 0:23:58.600 --> 0:23:59.560 It's out of touch. 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.550 That's what the optics are of this, and that was, 0:24:02.590 --> 0:24:04.350 I think, a major mistake that he made. 0:24:04.730 --> 0:24:09.850 So we can get into the timing of us all 0:24:09.890 --> 0:24:13.260 being aware or when it was all... told to us 0:24:13.780 --> 0:24:17.419 about this AI hack, right? And obviously the media, they 0:24:17.460 --> 0:24:19.340 went very hard on this. This was sort of first, 0:24:19.380 --> 0:24:21.540 second and third on most of the 6pm' s tonight. 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.340 A global tech giant kept our government in the dark 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.740 about a large-scale AI hack targeting Medicare. 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.909 An extraordinary AI breach of four government agencies by one 0:24:32.930 --> 0:24:38.370 of America's biggest AI tech companies. Now, again, right, there's 0:24:38.390 --> 0:24:40.990 the whole conversation about AI that inevitably is there and 0:24:41.030 --> 0:24:43.149 has been had all day. But what I found a 0:24:43.210 --> 0:24:45.190 little bit interesting about this is it's not the first 0:24:45.210 --> 0:24:48.730 time anything in Australia has ever been hacked, right, including 0:24:49.090 --> 0:24:54.200 the plans to the ASIO building, right, the Australian Parliament House. 0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:57.859 But what happens when the hack could come from China? 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.199 We don't say it comes from China. We say it's 0:25:00.260 --> 0:25:01.379 a state actor. 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:02.100 Instead. 0:25:02.550 --> 0:25:04.910 Because the politics is running against big tech. Oh, we 0:25:04.970 --> 0:25:07.950 named the company. We named the everything. We pointed at 0:25:07.990 --> 0:25:12.860 the CEO. If that was China, Iran or North Korea, 0:25:12.940 --> 0:25:15.280 we would not be pointing at a flag. But because 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.060 it is the big evil company that many have a 0:25:18.500 --> 0:25:21.439 doubt about at the moment, I thought this was fascinating 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:22.700 framing today. 0:25:23.020 --> 0:25:25.419 It fits the narrative, right? So he's over there pushing 0:25:25.500 --> 0:25:28.700 hard on AI being a threat. And as you say, 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.920 the timing was absolutely perfect from a political strategy point 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.639 of view. because they've known about it for weeks, and 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:36.379 then the ministers were told a week ago, but as 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.720 the Australian public, we don't get the right to know 0:25:39.820 --> 0:25:42.060 as soon as they know, where it would be any 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.929 other cyber breach, there is a responsibility there to report it. 0:25:45.369 --> 0:25:47.630 So there's no transparency around this at all. 0:25:47.750 --> 0:25:52.890 Well, so again, right, people have tried to hack lots 0:25:52.930 --> 0:25:54.970 of times, lots of ways. Yes, this is a new 0:25:55.210 --> 0:25:58.109 way where essentially, rather than somebody saying, I'm going to 0:25:58.150 --> 0:26:02.710 pick that lock, the the computer's worked it out, bugger it, 0:26:02.730 --> 0:26:04.510 I'll find a way to do it, even though I 0:26:04.530 --> 0:26:05.530 haven't been asked. 0:26:05.410 --> 0:26:05.869 To do it. 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.340 But again, it's a small difference, but it's one I 0:26:09.380 --> 0:26:11.140 have to put on the table after hearing everyone say 0:26:11.260 --> 0:26:13.440 one company over and over and over again. If it 0:26:13.460 --> 0:26:16.110 was China, we wouldn't have named China. But if it's OpenAI, 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:17.090 we'll name OpenAI. 0:26:17.350 --> 0:26:20.450 Yeah, because I think what you're doing is naming the process. 0:26:20.510 --> 0:26:22.550 You're naming the medium, not the message, if you like. 0:26:22.650 --> 0:26:25.530 And the nature of diplomacy, the nature of trying to 0:26:25.590 --> 0:26:28.270 avert war, be it trade war or the other kind, 0:26:28.290 --> 0:26:31.690 a hot war, is to try to keep everything sweet 0:26:31.830 --> 0:26:36.110 and not offend China because China is run by people 0:26:36.230 --> 0:26:40.170 and people, unlike AI, have feelings and they get angry 0:26:40.230 --> 0:26:42.110 and they get upset, if you name them. I think 0:26:42.150 --> 0:26:45.850 you're very generous. And they respond in kind. And we've 0:26:45.869 --> 0:26:48.630 seen the way that that happens. I think this, though, 0:26:48.710 --> 0:26:52.400 is terrifying. I think AI is terrifying. I have been 0:26:52.460 --> 0:26:55.479 sceptical about it from the very beginning. It is the Terminator. 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.820 We don't need Keanu Reeves over in the Waldorf Astoria 0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:00.440 handing out awards. 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.179 We need Neo Wright here. 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:07.060 Fighting the Matrix. Yeah, the Matrix filmed in Australia. He 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.100 knows how to get back here, do it, and if 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.850 he wants to bring some John Wick sort of action 0:27:11.869 --> 0:27:14.810 with him, good too. But I think there's an opportunity 0:27:14.850 --> 0:27:19.120 here that I do think that the potential dangers of 0:27:19.140 --> 0:27:22.990 AI can get to a state where you would almost, 0:27:23.230 --> 0:27:26.850 almost be trying to reach out across party lines and 0:27:26.930 --> 0:27:30.320 trying to not necessarily have a standing political committee and 0:27:30.340 --> 0:27:32.679 not necessarily have a war cabinet on it, but I 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.670 want to see all the brains from all the sides 0:27:35.970 --> 0:27:38.950 in a room trying to work out can a government 0:27:39.010 --> 0:27:42.370 put bumpers on this stuff or is it already so 0:27:42.430 --> 0:27:45.250 far inside the system? And if China's not going to 0:27:45.290 --> 0:27:47.590 do anything and the US isn't going to do anything 0:27:47.609 --> 0:27:49.970 and they're meeting tonight, what the hell are we doing? 0:27:50.109 --> 0:27:51.830 But they haven't been able to put the bumpers, if 0:27:51.869 --> 0:27:54.689 you like, around any sort of general cyber attack. 0:27:54.950 --> 0:27:55.150 Correct. 0:27:55.170 --> 0:27:57.340 So how on earth are they then going to counter 0:27:57.780 --> 0:28:00.380 AI at a time when we're being asked to put 0:28:00.420 --> 0:28:03.820 more and more of our information into... loosely called the 0:28:03.859 --> 0:28:06.379 system so that's not being protected. 0:28:06.060 --> 0:28:08.979 Have you have you now again some people may be 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.140 so across this and other people are going to go 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.060 sorry what are you talking about so i'm going to 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.119 try to educate while also assume a little bit of 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:18.230 knowledge here do either of you have ai agents have 0:28:18.290 --> 0:28:20.129 any of you set up any of these things where 0:28:20.150 --> 0:28:22.790 this sort of not secondary personality but there's a whole 0:28:22.830 --> 0:28:24.610 bunch of people who basically have sort of this sort 0:28:24.630 --> 0:28:27.720 of digital secretary, as the old term used to be called, 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.639 a digital executive assistant these days, I've been to HR training, 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.119 is that this lives in your life. I literally was 0:28:34.140 --> 0:28:36.670 having dinner with people who were talking tonight about how 0:28:36.690 --> 0:28:38.370 they have done this in their life. Have you introduced 0:28:38.390 --> 0:28:38.670 this at all? 0:28:38.690 --> 0:28:40.750 No, but I know a company that runs a HR 0:28:40.930 --> 0:28:43.560 company and I would say 80% of their staff are 0:28:43.580 --> 0:28:49.580 AI experts. agents wow so they're not they're not real 0:28:49.660 --> 0:28:53.680 people and yet their their customers are online thinking that 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.280 they are speaking to a real person so that's how 0:28:56.380 --> 0:28:57.480 far this has come. 0:28:57.260 --> 0:28:59.500 Well they have names yes they do they. 0:28:59.380 --> 0:29:01.560 Have names they have personalities like they all call. 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:06.770 Jason yeah correct um all right let's uh let's get 0:29:06.810 --> 0:29:11.110 to um Joe, you remember way back when, when the 0:29:11.190 --> 0:29:15.790 discussion in and around transition, renewable transition, seemed that the 0:29:15.850 --> 0:29:19.430 resistance point was price, right? And remember you did polling 0:29:19.450 --> 0:29:21.040 way back when and it was, you know, how much 0:29:21.140 --> 0:29:23.360 are you willing to spend in order to save the world, right? 0:29:23.700 --> 0:29:26.680 And unsurprisingly, people said, I will not spend $ 50, I 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.060 will not spend $ 100, I will not spend $ 200. Well, 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:33.540 of course, it's been thousands of dollars since. And again, 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:35.900 we learn today that Victorians are being forced to choose 0:29:35.940 --> 0:29:38.960 between heating their homes... and putting food on their table 0:29:39.020 --> 0:29:43.160 as energy costs pile pressure on household budgets. Two-thirds of Victorians, 0:29:43.580 --> 0:29:48.340 according to the polling from news24. com. au, have been forced to 0:29:48.380 --> 0:29:53.220 make these sacrifices because of energy costs. Now... Yeah... I 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:59.490 don't understand how this hasn't... The frustration is clear, the 0:29:59.530 --> 0:30:02.850 resistance is clear, but the political consequence hasn't swung in yet. 0:30:02.930 --> 0:30:04.610 Yeah, I think this is a difficult... I've been thinking 0:30:04.650 --> 0:30:07.870 about this a lot. It's a difference between the left 0:30:07.910 --> 0:30:09.730 and the right more broadly, but also the left and 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.760 the right of the Labor Party in particular, which is 0:30:12.820 --> 0:30:15.180 what I really care about and which is, I think, 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:18.200 where the problem lies, notwithstanding the fact that Chris Bowen 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.100 is a senior member of the right and in charge 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.700 of it. But you have a left wing for whom 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.100 climate action... is an article of faith. 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:28.940 Okay? 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:29.460 So you say. 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:31.940 What was religion is now climate. That's exactly right. So 0:30:32.020 --> 0:30:34.420 I wrote years... Years ago, I wrote about likening it 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:35.240 to the Reformation. 0:30:35.310 --> 0:30:36.930 Absolutely. It's just taken the place of God. 0:30:36.990 --> 0:30:37.950 Absolutely. 0:30:37.970 --> 0:30:41.430 So you have this apocalyptic reckoning where if we do 0:30:41.470 --> 0:30:44.450 not do absolutely everything, we are all. 0:30:44.330 --> 0:30:45.090 Going to die. 0:30:45.570 --> 0:30:49.790 Now, that is how... If you look at people going hungry, people... 0:30:49.470 --> 0:30:51.750 You know, I mean, I've done that much work with 0:30:51.770 --> 0:30:55.560 the Salvos, Vinnies, Food Bank about... You know, parents eating 0:30:55.620 --> 0:30:58.140 out of bins so their kids can have a decent meal. 0:30:58.180 --> 0:30:59.620 I mean, it's sickening. It's incredible. 0:31:00.060 --> 0:31:03.360 But if you think that that's the price you have 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.240 to pay for the survival of. 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.800 The human race... You can rationalise. 0:31:07.820 --> 0:31:10.000 You rationalise it. And, again, this is the problem where 0:31:10.020 --> 0:31:14.360 you have a part of... politics, which is purely ideologically 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.600 driven or largely ideologically driven or a part of the 0:31:16.620 --> 0:31:18.550 Labor Party even, and then the other part, which is 0:31:18.590 --> 0:31:21.530 much more pragmatic and just says, right, what's working, what's not, 0:31:21.850 --> 0:31:24.690 and what are the costs to the benefits we're supposedly getting, 0:31:25.010 --> 0:31:27.030 that does not weigh up. But if you already have 0:31:27.070 --> 0:31:30.550 this pre-existing ideology that says we must act, do everything 0:31:30.610 --> 0:31:32.709 on climate change or we're all going to die and 0:31:32.770 --> 0:31:36.750 that is my faith, that is my Jesus, if all 0:31:36.790 --> 0:31:39.370 this evidence comes in front of you to say that's wrong, 0:31:39.450 --> 0:31:42.680 it's not working, it's not worth it, You don't do that. 0:31:42.700 --> 0:31:45.220 You say, well, that's all wrong then, because I know. 0:31:45.540 --> 0:31:47.180 But there has to be a reckoning at the polls. 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:51.040 You've got six in ten Victorians who say energy policy 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.520 will drive the way that they vote at this upcoming election, right? 0:31:54.580 --> 0:31:57.180 So they are the people, they're among the 36% who 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.300 aren't having hot showers or using less hot water because 0:32:01.340 --> 0:32:03.900 of the cost of energy. They will drive this and 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.560 then the reckoning will come for the hard left. 0:32:06.900 --> 0:32:07.560 But also. 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:08.580 Yeah, but will they learn it? 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:09.420 This is the stupid ideology. 0:32:09.460 --> 0:32:10.360 And this is the problem. 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.240 Because this is why Labor is in for a world 0:32:13.260 --> 0:32:15.720 of pain at the upcoming state election, right? But what 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.440 happens if the left just says, oh, no, it's all 0:32:17.460 --> 0:32:20.210 because Pauline Hanson, it's all because the Murdoch press is 0:32:20.250 --> 0:32:20.630 whipping up pain. 0:32:20.930 --> 0:32:22.810 Oh, it's all because... Have you heard this one before? 0:32:22.990 --> 0:32:27.110 The algorithm pushing anti-left-wing... But OK, but. 0:32:27.010 --> 0:32:29.810 Conversely, right? But also, for those who think that. 0:32:32.610 --> 0:32:36.130 The whole conversation around all of this is, you know, 0:32:36.150 --> 0:32:38.160 sort of this house of cards that's absolutely going to 0:32:38.180 --> 0:32:40.400 collapse in on itself and everyone will learn their lesson. 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.800 There's the other side of this too, right, which is 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.950 not about the article of faith but about saying, right? 0:32:45.390 --> 0:32:49.090 So 15 years ago, we hadn't built a lot of 0:32:49.110 --> 0:32:49.770 this stuff, right? 0:32:49.830 --> 0:32:49.970 So. 0:32:50.490 --> 0:32:53.180 The Chris Bowen argument, and believe me, I'm not trying 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.800 to avatar the dude, but still, would be they've built 0:32:56.180 --> 0:32:58.940 a third of the Harbour Bridge already, right? So do 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.810 you just want to leave it a third built and 0:33:00.850 --> 0:33:03.170 go back to, you know... You just call it art. Correct. 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.120 Well done. See, that's a lady who knows how to 0:33:06.140 --> 0:33:08.880 get inside a comms room. I appreciate it. All right. Again, 0:33:08.900 --> 0:33:10.980 another bit of information, and this one's been going for 0:33:11.020 --> 0:33:14.000 some time, this study, actually, which is about the number 0:33:14.020 --> 0:33:16.420 of kids that are staying at home. And we say 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.270 kids because we're talking about people that are between 18 0:33:19.270 --> 0:33:21.910 to 29, and compared to the adults amongst us, that 0:33:21.930 --> 0:33:22.160 would be. 0:33:22.290 --> 0:33:25.190 Go to us. Yes, it is. Except for Lisa, of course. Correct. 0:33:25.370 --> 0:33:25.750 Forever 21. 0:33:25.750 --> 0:33:26.770 Forever 29. 0:33:26.770 --> 0:33:30.350 All right. In 2001, 39.5% of that demographic were living 0:33:30.370 --> 0:33:32.930 at home with their parents. It is now 40. 0:33:32.930 --> 0:33:33.990 9.9%. 0:33:33.990 --> 0:33:39.620 Now, again, we can have the same conversation everyone's had 0:33:39.660 --> 0:33:41.440 for the past six months about housing. I don't want 0:33:41.460 --> 0:33:43.960 to have that conversation. I want to have the conversation 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:49.719 about the dynamic of the family when it works like this, right? Yep. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.190 Which is, in other cultures and other places, basically sort 0:33:53.210 --> 0:33:56.230 of the family compound is not really that weird an idea. 0:33:56.290 --> 0:33:58.110 The idea of the older people in the family living 0:33:58.130 --> 0:34:00.850 with the youngest, it's not... I don't know that it's 0:34:00.870 --> 0:34:02.750 a cultural thing, but I'm saying is that I think 0:34:02.810 --> 0:34:06.830 that a lot of parents have a deep frustration that 0:34:06.870 --> 0:34:09.069 the kids don't have the same opportunities that you had, 0:34:09.510 --> 0:34:12.360 but I also don't think that there is a massive 0:34:12.420 --> 0:34:14.580 swathe of parents that really want to boot the kids 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.759 out like perhaps our parents did. Did you not go willingly? Mate, 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.500 I loved Mate the Second. It was like 19, I went, 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.210 I love you, Mum, but woof. Yeah, I wasn't in 19. 0:34:23.190 --> 0:34:26.609 But I don't think that there's a dynamic now. amongst 0:34:27.130 --> 0:34:31.109 Gen X parents and millennial parents that really say, oh, well, 0:34:31.830 --> 0:34:33.910 two feet at 18, mate, and if you're not, see 0:34:33.930 --> 0:34:34.370 you later. 0:34:34.530 --> 0:34:37.250 But the generations, they're not looking for it either. They're 0:34:37.270 --> 0:34:39.350 not looking for a way out. They're quite happy to 0:34:39.410 --> 0:34:41.819 stay at home and most of the time not pay board, 0:34:41.910 --> 0:34:45.500 food's provided. Why would you want to move out? Yes, 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.859 it's expensive and potentially they can't afford it, but life 0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.739 is good at home. So I just can't imagine. There 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.330 was a story around the other week around people who 0:34:54.350 --> 0:34:57.479 are having relationships with chatbots. So what does it say 0:34:57.540 --> 0:34:59.580 for the next generation? They're living at home until their 0:34:59.620 --> 0:35:04.719 late 20s, 30s. Their idea of a relationship is someone online. 0:35:04.820 --> 0:35:06.859 It's just a sad indictment of where we're heading. 0:35:07.020 --> 0:35:09.280 Yeah, and that's my thing, Jo, which is that everyone 0:35:09.340 --> 0:35:12.430 automatically says, oh, well, kids staying home longer is because 0:35:12.450 --> 0:35:14.100 they can't buy a house. Yes, that's part of it. 0:35:14.110 --> 0:35:14.509 That is true. 0:35:14.550 --> 0:35:16.830 But can we stop having that conversation as the only 0:35:16.950 --> 0:35:20.290 version of this conversation? Is it a conversation about what 0:35:20.310 --> 0:35:23.850 we expect people of our kids, what kids expect of 0:35:23.910 --> 0:35:27.989 their stages of life, where what used to be sort of, 0:35:28.030 --> 0:35:31.430 you know, 20 was sort of the difference between your 0:35:31.489 --> 0:35:34.549 educational life and your working life, right? Well, 20 is 0:35:34.610 --> 0:35:37.070 now 25, if you want to talk about the educational 0:35:37.110 --> 0:35:39.020 life of tertiary education, all the rest of it, right? 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:42.200 And then there's the financial that kicks in. And it's 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:43.960 one of those things where I don't expect a politician 0:35:44.300 --> 0:35:46.880 to have an opinion on this, but I want adults 0:35:46.900 --> 0:35:49.850 to have these conversations about, What's changing and are we 0:35:49.890 --> 0:35:53.189 trying to measure one period of time against another when 0:35:53.370 --> 0:35:54.700 the values are kind of different now? 0:35:54.770 --> 0:35:56.969 Yeah, I think a lot of things are changing and 0:35:56.989 --> 0:35:58.500 I think you're absolutely bang on. I think it's the 0:35:58.540 --> 0:36:01.239 kids simply don't want to leave home for a whole 0:36:01.300 --> 0:36:03.580 host of other reasons, whether they can afford to or not. 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.530 I left home at 17 and I shot from Dandenong 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.450 right to... melbourne and i was able to rent a 0:36:11.530 --> 0:36:13.910 room in a share house for wait. 0:36:13.610 --> 0:36:15.650 For the kids are going to have a cardiac. 0:36:15.290 --> 0:36:18.840 Arrest forty dollars a week that's it man um and 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:20.939 that's just not available to them but also i wanted 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.219 to get out i wanted to you know i think 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.330 the generation gap was much more pronounced back then yes 0:36:26.469 --> 0:36:30.710 parents were less understanding of Their kids, childhood was just 0:36:30.730 --> 0:36:31.810 something you had to get over. 0:36:31.890 --> 0:36:37.610 Yep. Probably more authoritarian, more disciplinarian, more conventional. 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.620 And now I think, you know, my kids would quite... 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.480 I mean, I'm a soft touch, but my kids would 0:36:43.500 --> 0:36:45.040 be perfectly happy to live, I think. 0:36:45.620 --> 0:36:47.140 Forever. Forever and ever and ever. 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.120 And we'd be saving the housing crisis too because, as 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.089 Tony Burke said, we'd be filling up. 0:36:52.070 --> 0:36:54.370 All of those spare bedrooms. So doing our bit for 0:36:54.410 --> 0:36:55.030 Queen and Country. 0:36:55.050 --> 0:36:56.989 I think there'll be a generation of parents who move 0:36:57.050 --> 0:36:57.509 out of home. 0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:58.419 Yes. 0:36:58.739 --> 0:37:01.060 Yes, that's the point. That will be the tipping point, right? 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.930 It'll be, okay, you kids are still home. It's time 0:37:03.969 --> 0:37:05.969 for mum and dad now. We're moving out. 0:37:06.030 --> 0:37:08.710 That's what the people who we bought our house from 0:37:08.810 --> 0:37:09.450 actually did. 0:37:09.550 --> 0:37:11.370 It was all their kids using that. 0:37:11.310 --> 0:37:11.930 As a sharehouse. 0:37:11.950 --> 0:37:13.090 We can't do this anymore. 0:37:13.110 --> 0:37:14.029 We're out. That's cool. 0:37:14.070 --> 0:37:16.310 Imagine the parents getting voted off the island. That's not 0:37:16.370 --> 0:37:16.670 a fun episode. 0:37:16.690 --> 0:37:18.730 No, you vote yourself off the island. That's my argument. 0:37:18.750 --> 0:37:21.490 Like one of those praying mantises where the kids eat 0:37:21.590 --> 0:37:22.330 the parents. 0:37:22.370 --> 0:37:22.770 We're out. 0:37:22.790 --> 0:37:24.109 We're out. 0:37:24.170 --> 0:37:25.760 You and the fellow have already had that conversation. I 0:37:25.780 --> 0:37:26.600 like it. I appreciate it. 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:26.880 All right. 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.680 So the Victorian government, and I've got to say, I 0:37:29.700 --> 0:37:32.120 love any government of any stripe when it looks like 0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:34.899 it's going out the door because they do a whole 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.279 bunch of stuff just to win everyone over. And some 0:37:37.340 --> 0:37:38.819 of it is stuff that you go, why didn't you 0:37:38.860 --> 0:37:41.420 do this sooner, right? Like, why did you hold on 0:37:41.500 --> 0:37:43.720 to either hand this out as a treat? Because no-one's 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.860 voting for the Victorian government because they're going to let 0:37:46.190 --> 0:37:49.210 dogs into pubs, right? I'm not imagining Jess Wilson's going 0:37:49.230 --> 0:37:51.770 to come out and go, I'm against this, or One Nation. 0:37:51.890 --> 0:37:53.370 We'll see, right? But I imagine not. 0:37:53.790 --> 0:37:53.910 But. 0:37:55.300 --> 0:37:57.920 I just love the dying days of a government whenever. 0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:58.500 It happens to be. Oh, it's amazing. 0:37:58.620 --> 0:38:00.980 Because that today was the Premier of Victoria is out 0:38:01.020 --> 0:38:03.520 and about. Now, the actual announcement was pubs can stay 0:38:03.580 --> 0:38:06.580 open as late as possible, help the night-time economy, but 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.580 the pictures, it's all about the puppies. 0:38:08.820 --> 0:38:11.200 Yeah. Look, it's great. I like Ben Carroll. He's giving 0:38:11.219 --> 0:38:12.120 it a red-hot go. 0:38:12.219 --> 0:38:14.710 It is a shame that he wasn't the person who 0:38:14.730 --> 0:38:18.450 was elected when Dan Andrews finally left and left a giant... 0:38:18.530 --> 0:38:22.109 ticking time bomb to his hapless successor he was privy. 0:38:21.810 --> 0:38:23.770 To that whole ticking time bomb there. 0:38:23.690 --> 0:38:27.109 Was nothing but again it's this idea in the left 0:38:27.150 --> 0:38:29.610 that you can just sort of you control the machine 0:38:29.630 --> 0:38:32.569 you control the narrative you bypass it stockholm syndrome that's 0:38:32.630 --> 0:38:34.489 right so it was power later. 0:38:34.390 --> 0:38:35.870 I knew nothing about it i saw. 0:38:35.820 --> 0:38:37.779 Nothing you pull back the rug and there it is 0:38:37.980 --> 0:38:41.020 and hey there's more there's a bigger story to tell 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.759 here about the right trying to regain control of the 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.100 Victorian Labor Party, which has been completely and utterly taken 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:50.340 over by the Socialists. 0:38:50.380 --> 0:38:52.340 So he was a powerless. 0:38:53.420 --> 0:38:55.100 There was nothing he could have done as a minister 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:56.720 in the previous. 0:38:56.860 --> 0:39:00.009 Andrews or even Allen administration. Winning is the miracle. How 0:39:00.050 --> 0:39:02.310 much can we save? And then what is the rebuild 0:39:02.350 --> 0:39:03.830 from there? But, again. 0:39:03.850 --> 0:39:05.549 They don't have to cost any of the things that 0:39:05.570 --> 0:39:07.109 they promised in the lead-up to the election because they 0:39:07.130 --> 0:39:07.730 know they're never going to. 0:39:07.730 --> 0:39:08.690 Have to pay for it. But here's the thing, right? 0:39:08.750 --> 0:39:10.850 And I said this, remember, in 2019, and I have 0:39:10.910 --> 0:39:13.970 meant it every day since, right? Nothing is inevitable in politics. 0:39:14.300 --> 0:39:15.920 So do not make the assumption that just because you 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.060 think they're on the way out, they're gone forever. No. 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:19.719 If you want them to go, you've got to vote, 0:39:19.739 --> 0:39:21.839 you've got to convince your mates to change their mind 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:22.520 as well, right? 0:39:22.540 --> 0:39:24.450 One nation's going to win in the landslide, so it 0:39:24.469 --> 0:39:25.690 doesn't matter if you vote Labor. 0:39:25.750 --> 0:39:26.549 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:39:26.750 --> 0:39:29.160 See? Or you'll get that garbage as well. Lisa, last 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.160 thing here, right? If somebody has a personality that is 0:39:32.219 --> 0:39:36.219 either difficult to love or a brand or whatever, you 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:36.680 need to. 0:39:36.700 --> 0:39:38.540 You're talking about Albanese, right? 0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.279 Make them look a little more human. You throw a 0:39:40.300 --> 0:39:40.970 dog at it, don't you? 0:39:41.540 --> 0:39:42.920 Oh, I just think it's poor form. I'd love to 0:39:42.940 --> 0:39:45.520 see the polling. The polling must show something. Look, we've 0:39:45.540 --> 0:39:48.460 got a whole swathe of dog-loving voters out there. We 0:39:48.500 --> 0:39:49.620 need to bring them on in. 0:39:50.060 --> 0:39:52.360 It's kind of like you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, 0:39:52.410 --> 0:39:53.610 would you? Yeah, correct, correct. 0:39:53.670 --> 0:39:55.150 All right, we've got about 30 seconds before we can 0:39:55.170 --> 0:39:57.350 have a chat with one of Angry Anderson's mates. Winner 0:39:57.370 --> 0:39:58.149 and loser of the week, who. 0:39:58.050 --> 0:39:58.589 Stood out for you? 0:39:59.030 --> 0:40:00.870 Loser of the week has to be the 6,000 people 0:40:00.910 --> 0:40:02.469 who lost their jobs with these new figures that have 0:40:02.510 --> 0:40:03.790 come out. Full-time jobs. 0:40:03.790 --> 0:40:04.150 100%. 0:40:04.150 --> 0:40:04.510 Gone. 0:40:04.550 --> 0:40:04.950 Beautifully so. 0:40:05.030 --> 0:40:06.529 How are they dealing with the rent? 0:40:07.110 --> 0:40:07.650 And mortgage. 0:40:08.070 --> 0:40:10.529 And the winner of the week, the reporter who asked the, 0:40:10.550 --> 0:40:12.010 you know, do you feel like a fraud? 0:40:12.030 --> 0:40:13.390 Oh, big question. 0:40:13.430 --> 0:40:15.910 You're so close, Lisa, yet so far. No, the winner 0:40:15.930 --> 0:40:17.950 of the week was literally Anthony Albanese. 0:40:18.150 --> 0:40:19.350 Oh, yes. 0:40:19.370 --> 0:40:21.979 The award-winning Prime Minister. 0:40:22.100 --> 0:40:23.580 What could possibly go wrong? 0:40:23.660 --> 0:40:25.799 Where were you? What did John Raveler say when we 0:40:25.820 --> 0:40:28.480 won the American? Stand up! Stand up! You know, that 0:40:28.500 --> 0:40:29.360 was the feeling we all had. 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.340 No-one needs to go to work today. 0:40:31.380 --> 0:40:32.200 Rubbish. Thank you, guys. 0:40:32.219 --> 0:40:32.819 Do appreciate it. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.879 We're going to look back at the life of... Angry 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.219 Anderson a moment with one of his mates before we're 0:40:37.260 --> 0:40:43.700 done here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching. Last 0:40:43.739 --> 0:40:46.260 night was a super busy show. Pauline Hanson here in 0:40:46.410 --> 0:40:48.609 the man cave. All of those videos are up now 0:40:48.630 --> 0:40:51.870 at news24. com. au. So I wanted to take some time to 0:40:51.890 --> 0:40:54.790 talk about the passing of Angry Anderson, the legendary Australian. 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.980 musical performer, but he'd done so much more, charity, good bloke, 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.219 good Aussie. And I wanted to have a chat on 0:41:02.340 --> 0:41:05.520 camera tonight with a guy that I very much love. 0:41:05.580 --> 0:41:07.860 It is the great James Phelps, who is an author 0:41:08.100 --> 0:41:12.220 and a journalist and massive rock head as well. And 0:41:12.610 --> 0:41:14.450 he got to know Angry Anderson very well over the 0:41:14.489 --> 0:41:17.150 past few years. He spent a lot of time preparing 0:41:17.210 --> 0:41:19.870 for a book about Angry Anderson's life. And we had 0:41:19.910 --> 0:41:21.609 a chance to talk a bit earlier in the day. 0:41:21.950 --> 0:41:24.440 I began by wishing him all the best and so 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.080 sorry for his loss. And what's it like to think 0:41:27.100 --> 0:41:28.720 about a world without Angry Anderson? 0:41:30.340 --> 0:41:31.760 Look, mate, it really hit me hard. 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.100 And as you said, we kind of knew it was coming, 0:41:34.140 --> 0:41:37.140 but it was a really bizarre circumstance. So, mate, I 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.390 was spending, you know, six to eight hours a day 0:41:39.430 --> 0:41:42.469 with him on, you know, two times a week, right 0:41:42.510 --> 0:41:43.209 up until he left. 0:41:43.330 --> 0:41:44.379 And He sort of went. 0:41:44.300 --> 0:41:45.700 Away and we talked about what we were going to 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:47.940 do and I didn't hear from him for two weeks. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:48.940 So I sent him text. 0:41:48.739 --> 0:41:51.980 Messages and they weren't coming back and all of a 0:41:52.020 --> 0:41:53.520 sudden I read on the internet that he'd had a 0:41:53.540 --> 0:41:57.219 heart attack and I couldn't get through to him. So yeah, 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.350 I found out off the internet yesterday that he passed 0:41:59.410 --> 0:42:01.450 away and I kind of thought it must have been 0:42:01.489 --> 0:42:02.450 bad because I couldn't get. 0:42:02.390 --> 0:42:05.450 Through to him. But yeah, it really hit me, mate. 0:42:05.710 --> 0:42:07.010 I had a little. 0:42:06.870 --> 0:42:08.890 Tear last night when I was trying to write some 0:42:08.910 --> 0:42:11.950 nice words about him. And we've lost our bloody Aussie 0:42:11.989 --> 0:42:14.009 legend at the end of the day, so he's going 0:42:14.030 --> 0:42:14.770 to be sorely missed. 0:42:15.250 --> 0:42:18.700 Yeah, it's this thing where, like, as a fan, you 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.160 make certain assumptions that certain people are around forever, and 0:42:21.180 --> 0:42:24.239 then obviously they're human beings and they're not. But when 0:42:24.260 --> 0:42:26.419 you had the opportunity to sit down and spend so 0:42:26.500 --> 0:42:30.379 much time and talk, and in your tribute you told 0:42:30.420 --> 0:42:33.180 us that basically his stories went forever, they took a 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.060 long time, they took a long journey, a long turn, 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:37.740 but we see the sort of bloke who. 0:42:39.420 --> 0:42:41.420 Had things to say or was he the type of 0:42:41.460 --> 0:42:44.620 person who, uh, you needed to coax a little to 0:42:44.660 --> 0:42:46.980 gain the trust. And then he told you everything. 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.719 Oh, mate, he won't mind me saying this, but he 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.810 was a dead set jibber. He could talk for absolute 0:42:51.989 --> 0:42:54.169 hours and hours. I actually had him at a guest 0:42:54.230 --> 0:42:56.229 at one of my book launches and he took over 0:42:56.290 --> 0:42:58.830 and the book launch went for about three hours. But look, 0:42:59.050 --> 0:43:01.469 looking back now, it used to be frustrating at times because, um, 0:43:01.510 --> 0:43:02.980 you know, I'd want to get to the point and 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.700 get to the story and he'd go off in tangents. And, um, 0:43:06.270 --> 0:43:08.130 But looking back now, mate, it was some of the 0:43:08.170 --> 0:43:10.610 greatest stories I've heard, and I'm glad he did because 0:43:10.670 --> 0:43:12.669 I'm going to treasure every single one of those little 0:43:12.690 --> 0:43:15.380 stories he told me, even the ones about Paul Murray 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:16.540 and Pauline Hanson. 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:18.379 He was a huge fan of yours, mate. 0:43:19.310 --> 0:43:21.670 And obviously had a little political career himself, but he 0:43:21.710 --> 0:43:24.029 used to tune into the Paul Murray Show every night, 0:43:24.070 --> 0:43:26.060 and it was pretty proud of me that I actually 0:43:26.100 --> 0:43:27.739 knew you. I haven't told you that, so keep it 0:43:27.780 --> 0:43:28.500 a secret. 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:29.660 Brother, that's very kind. 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.200 Yeah, mate, he was a character, and the amount of stories, 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.460 but the thing about him is the stories he'd want 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.170 to talk about were mundane things every day, the frustrations 0:43:39.230 --> 0:43:41.930 of going shopping or his mobile phone breaking down. And 0:43:41.969 --> 0:43:44.710 to him, the stories about, you know, Axl Rose being 0:43:44.730 --> 0:43:47.650 his number one fan or playing, you know, having Metallica 0:43:47.670 --> 0:43:49.609 come on stage and play one of his songs while 0:43:49.630 --> 0:43:51.810 I'm at the concert, they were nothing to him. You know, 0:43:51.890 --> 0:43:53.950 he didn't care about those. They were just everyday things. 0:43:54.050 --> 0:43:55.970 It was the real stories that he liked telling. 0:43:56.330 --> 0:43:59.110 Well, it's the rock and roll stories that obviously fascinate us. 0:43:59.150 --> 0:44:00.730 And thank you for passing that on. That's really kind. 0:44:01.090 --> 0:44:01.160 Is. 0:44:02.450 --> 0:44:04.460 You know, as a musician, as a singer, he had 0:44:04.500 --> 0:44:06.920 just one of those voices. But as you say, one 0:44:06.940 --> 0:44:10.560 that was recognised by the best of his generation around 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.390 the world. It wasn't some sort of Aussie pub phenomena. 0:44:13.620 --> 0:44:17.150 He was someone, as you said, with artists like Guns N' Roses, Metallica, 0:44:17.170 --> 0:44:20.549 who were like, yeah, we're into this guy. Did he 0:44:20.570 --> 0:44:23.109 view them as peers or just sort of wankers who 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:24.379 flew in from around the world? 0:44:25.270 --> 0:44:27.650 Well, mate, I kept on asking you about Axel, and 0:44:27.690 --> 0:44:30.840 Axel rings him on many nights late at night, and 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:32.840 he used to not take his calls. He goes, Axel's 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.660 a bloody pest. I wish he'd stop calling me. When 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.680 Slash came over, he actually rang me up and said, oh, mate, 0:44:39.700 --> 0:44:40.839 we're going out to dinner tomorrow night. 0:44:40.860 --> 0:44:42.109 Keep it free. I go, what do you mean? 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:43.169 He goes, no, we're going to dinner. 0:44:43.190 --> 0:44:43.970 Just shut up and come. 0:44:44.550 --> 0:44:47.010 And anyway, the next day he rang me, and Slash 0:44:47.070 --> 0:44:48.730 cancelled because of COVID, but I didn't know he was 0:44:48.750 --> 0:44:50.190 going to take me to dinner with Slash, and I 0:44:50.250 --> 0:44:52.640 ended up... He got a heap of stuff signed for me, 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:55.650 but for him, it was just another day. Um, they 0:44:55.690 --> 0:44:59.200 were people that, you know, he would colleagues and mates and, um, Yeah, 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.640 he met these wonderful people. But you've got to remember, 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.620 this band Rose Tattoo were competing with none other than 0:45:04.780 --> 0:45:08.680 ACDC in the late 70s, early 80s for being the 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.220 rock and roll band of the world. 0:45:10.260 --> 0:45:12.410 They came out with a few big hits. 0:45:12.230 --> 0:45:16.589 Like Rock and Roll Outlaw, Nice Boys, and these went worldwide. 0:45:16.690 --> 0:45:18.770 And they set the stage for all the heavy rock 0:45:18.790 --> 0:45:21.009 that came after it. Like these guys were coming after 0:45:21.050 --> 0:45:23.950 Black Sabbath. and some of these great English bands, and 0:45:23.969 --> 0:45:24.610 they created. 0:45:24.410 --> 0:45:27.470 A new style of music. And these songs went worldwide. 0:45:27.489 --> 0:45:28.510 They're heroes everywhere. 0:45:28.550 --> 0:45:31.509 So he'd walk into any room, any bar where there 0:45:31.530 --> 0:45:34.250 was a musician, and they'd be idols. So the little 0:45:34.290 --> 0:45:36.170 moment I got chuffed with it, I was at Smashing 0:45:36.210 --> 0:45:38.049 Pumpkins with my sons, and my sons are like. 0:45:38.070 --> 0:45:38.770 Who's Rose Tattoo? 0:45:38.930 --> 0:45:39.589 You know, dad angry. 0:45:39.610 --> 0:45:42.089 Who's this angry bloke that's always around? And anyway, they're 0:45:42.110 --> 0:45:43.870 sitting there, and Billy Corgan gets on stage, and he goes, 0:45:43.910 --> 0:45:46.110 I'd just like to pay tribute to the three greatest 0:45:46.140 --> 0:45:50.170 bands ever. He said, ACDC, roast, tattoo and in excess. 0:45:50.250 --> 0:45:51.930 And my kids turned around and said, Dad, you're writing 0:45:51.950 --> 0:45:52.330 his book. 0:45:52.870 --> 0:45:53.890 I said, bloody oath I am. 0:45:54.489 --> 0:45:54.709 Yeah. 0:45:54.730 --> 0:45:57.650 So what's this journey now for you in terms of 0:45:57.670 --> 0:46:02.259 putting together all of those conversations? It's a long work 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:04.000 ahead or something that you're looking forward to? 0:46:05.510 --> 0:46:07.700 Again, angry won't mind me taking offense, but the process 0:46:07.739 --> 0:46:08.969 might be a bit easier now. 0:46:11.710 --> 0:46:13.160 We've spent three years on it. 0:46:13.170 --> 0:46:15.009 We're planning to knock it over in a year, but 0:46:15.770 --> 0:46:18.109 we've probably got three quarters of a book down, which 0:46:18.150 --> 0:46:20.310 he approved and he loved, and he's got his own 0:46:20.370 --> 0:46:22.450 work in there. It's not just my writing. He'd get 0:46:22.489 --> 0:46:24.890 in and have a crack himself, which I had to 0:46:24.930 --> 0:46:26.890 go over and teach him how to use Microsoft Word 0:46:26.910 --> 0:46:29.129 and then email to email it to me, but we 0:46:29.150 --> 0:46:29.430 got there. 0:46:30.110 --> 0:46:31.990 Um, and so now it's a matter of finishing. 0:46:32.010 --> 0:46:34.110 I'm obviously going to have to speak to the boys 0:46:34.150 --> 0:46:35.850 and make sure they're okay with it. I've got little 0:46:35.910 --> 0:46:38.870 conversations that probably aren't on the record, but they're on tape. 0:46:38.930 --> 0:46:40.620 And from that, I'm going to have to piece together 0:46:41.140 --> 0:46:43.620 the final bits, um, and speak to the editor about 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.710 how I do it. But, um, you know, if it 0:46:45.730 --> 0:46:47.250 wasn't angry, I probably wouldn't do it, but I've got 0:46:47.270 --> 0:46:48.270 to finish this book for him. 0:46:48.370 --> 0:46:49.069 I own that one. 0:46:49.130 --> 0:46:51.029 He didn't get to finish the album that he was 0:46:51.070 --> 0:46:53.640 working on. He was about to relaunch his solo career. 0:46:53.700 --> 0:46:56.780 And some of the songs that he wrote were direct 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.259 from my writing from passages from the book. And we'll 0:46:59.300 --> 0:47:01.860 never get to hear those, unfortunately, which makes me pretty sad, 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.540 but I certainly will finish the book for him. And 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.940 right now he's up in heaven with his son, Liam. 0:47:07.020 --> 0:47:09.950 And yeah, they're catching up and having a great time. 0:47:09.989 --> 0:47:12.069 It was one of the big, big tragedies of his 0:47:12.130 --> 0:47:13.730 life and something he never recovered from. 0:47:13.830 --> 0:47:15.759 And, I know they'll be having a great time now. 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.370 Good on you, Phelpsie, and good on you, Angry Anderson. 0:47:19.390 --> 0:47:21.770 The world is a poorer for you not being amongst 0:47:21.850 --> 0:47:23.870 us no more, but the music is there forever, brother. 0:47:24.050 --> 0:47:24.410 Thank you. 0:47:24.950 --> 0:47:25.230 One second. 0:47:32.110 --> 0:47:34.440 Let us end the week in the most satisfying of fashions, 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:37.259 which is you work really hard, you pay too much tax. 0:47:37.830 --> 0:47:39.810 which means we pay for the politicians and the people 0:47:39.830 --> 0:47:42.350 who make the bad social media videos about them. What 0:47:42.370 --> 0:47:45.379 happened while you were working? Ali Francis is the Labor 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:48.580 member for Dixon. What's her contribution to the parliament this week? 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:52.920 Ali, what on earth are you doing? 0:47:52.940 --> 0:47:55.279 What does it look like I'm doing? 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:56.930 These new homes won't build themselves, Corinne. 0:47:57.150 --> 0:47:57.950 No, no, no, no. 0:47:58.050 --> 0:48:01.730 The Labor government's got it all sorted. She's in the 0:48:01.770 --> 0:48:05.470 Labor government. What about the quality of acting? Kate Chaney 0:48:05.489 --> 0:48:07.710 is an independent of Tiffany T or what she's got 0:48:07.750 --> 0:48:08.110 for us. 0:48:09.090 --> 0:48:09.770 Bigger the better? 0:48:11.370 --> 0:48:13.200 I feel like I look really ridiculous. 0:48:14.060 --> 0:48:18.960 The bigger the better. Is that a certain thing? 0:48:18.980 --> 0:48:19.319 I don't know. 0:48:24.430 --> 0:48:26.830 Ritchie Ditch, isn't that the old TV show? That's our 0:48:26.850 --> 0:48:28.310 show for tonight. Thank you very much for watching. Looking 0:48:28.330 --> 0:48:29.730 forward to being in Bathurst a couple of weeks out 0:48:29.750 --> 0:48:31.330 from the race, but it's not just about motorsports. It's 0:48:31.350 --> 0:48:33.960 about celebrating that beautiful city. We will do so in 0:48:34.100 --> 0:48:35.900 our town. Thanks to our friends at Harvey Norman on 0:48:36.020 --> 0:48:37.900 Sunday night. We'll see you then. Until then, hope your 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:40.320 team goes okay in either the finals or the GF. 0:48:40.780 --> 0:48:40.920 Ta-ra.