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Speaker 1: It sits in with Kate Riki podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Educate another edition.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Jazz. Thank you Lizzie.

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Speaker 3: I feel as though I've missed you. We've had a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a stopdown. Yeah, long time, no educate.

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Speaker 1: As we say in the biz.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe it means we just know everything? Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: what can I say to stop you there?

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Speaker 3: No? Okay, because you messaged me when you were off,

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Speaker 3: because you've been off for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: This was serious branding thing. Yeah, no, no, no, because

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Speaker 1: I received that one. Yes, we got who is Gabriette?

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Speaker 1: Who is you know?

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Speaker 3: Maddie Healy sponsor? But on top of that, I wrote

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Speaker 3: back and said, oh, some songs on t TPD are

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Speaker 3: making sense.

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Speaker 1: Kate wrote back and said, what is t TP?

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Speaker 3: I know you, which is of course the Tortured Poet's deplotment.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we need to go back to the beginning

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Speaker 1: in reality.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I was in a different time zone, or I

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Speaker 3: didn't really know what was going on. I didn't have

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Speaker 3: my Taylor Swift brain on.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift Girls.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so our brains are permanently just tail us with.

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Speaker 2: Brains they are, And I feel very worried for you.

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Speaker 1: You mean lucky to be here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, so let's get to it. While

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Speaker 3: I was away, I did send through a picture of

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Speaker 3: Matt Healley, who seems to be engaged to a woman

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Speaker 3: who well I don't know who she is, and I

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Speaker 3: want to know who she is and what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Gabriette love her. I personally love her. I'm obsessed with her.

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Speaker 1: Who is she?

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Speaker 4: She's the coolest she's It's interesting because she's Charlie XX

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Speaker 4: just released her new album called Bratt and Gabriette is

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Speaker 4: one of the girls in the video clip.

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Speaker 1: But she's like an.

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Speaker 4: Influencer, a model. She does a lot of things with

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Speaker 4: food and cooking. She's like a food blogger as well.

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Speaker 4: She's super cool. Is she British?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I don't actually not sure. I'm pretty sure she's American.

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Speaker 4: But the whole joke with Gabriette being in Bratt the

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Speaker 4: album in the music video was music video was released,

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Speaker 4: someone made a meme that Charlie XX and Julia Fox

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Speaker 4: and all those people retweeted and it said this is

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Speaker 4: like the Bad Blood but for girls who do cocaine.

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Speaker 4: Griette posted that, so it was like, was that a

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Speaker 4: bit of a dig.

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Speaker 3: Well, we also know that from this week apparently there

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Speaker 3: is a little bit of drama between Charlie XX and Taylor.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people saying, so, remember when Taylor released

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Speaker 3: the like deluxe version with the voice memo notes in

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Speaker 3: the US and blocked I think Billy from going to

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Speaker 3: number one.

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Speaker 1: We cover that on the show.

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Speaker 3: She's done the exact same thing with Charlie XCX on

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Speaker 3: BRAT has blocked her. So Charlie's gone I think number two,

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Speaker 3: Taylor's back at number one.

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Speaker 2: And why is Taylor back at number one?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: What did she released that same thing, you know, with

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Speaker 3: the voice memos in the UK Solie Harley British.

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Speaker 2: Market.

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Speaker 4: But there's a song apparently on BRATT that's about Taylor

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Speaker 4: from Charlie because Charlie actually opened for Taylor on the

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Speaker 4: Reputation Stadium tour and the two were like very close

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Speaker 4: buddy buddy, bestie vibe. She would bring out Charlie along

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Speaker 4: with Camilla Cabo during shake it Off and that she

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Speaker 4: would sing shake it Off with her like it was

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Speaker 4: very she was part of the squad so to speak.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's how Taylor met Matt Heally? Like

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Speaker 3: who introduced Taylor to Matt.

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Speaker 4: Taylor and Maddie were well established back in the nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty ninety right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Back in twenty fourteen. So this is the song. It's

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Speaker 1: called Sympathy is a Knife from Charlie XCX.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've said this, but Charlie's dating

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Speaker 3: George from the nineteen seventy five Yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Know you didn't say I did. Okay, Oh but that's important.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so's Maddie's band mate.

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Speaker 3: And this is the lyric, don't want to see her

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Speaker 3: backstage at my boyfriend's show, fingers crossed behind my back.

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Speaker 1: I hope they break up quick.

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Speaker 2: Oh so she never liked Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know why she wouldn't. Taylor gave her

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Speaker 3: that huge opportunity on nineteen eighty nine, So obviously something

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Speaker 3: has gone down. If those lyrics are in fact about her,

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Speaker 3: they're very they're very polar opposite girlies.

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Speaker 4: Though, to be fair, yeah, it feels as though when

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Speaker 4: I look to be mean to each other.

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Speaker 3: No, Taylor is more pristine reputation. It feels like the

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Speaker 3: girls we're talking about now have more of an edge

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Speaker 3: to them. Would I be correct in saying that I'm

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Speaker 3: saying that, well, if they're saying them, yeah, if they're

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Speaker 3: saying it's almost it's almost like I'm sitting here looking

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Which one am I?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say legally?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what else do I need to know that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So the other thing that we've got to dive

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Speaker 1: into is this article that Joe Owen did.

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Speaker 3: We cover it on The Fit A Kate Show this week,

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Speaker 3: but Lizzie has uncovered a little bit more simply by

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Speaker 3: paying the subscription fee to read on. So Lizzie, please

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Speaker 3: talk us through what else you found that own money?

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Speaker 1: Did you own? You can change that.

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Speaker 3: So this is the first time that Joe's spoken about

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Speaker 3: Taylor since they broke up, and you know, we.

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Speaker 1: Never thought that he would. But can I say he

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Speaker 1: hasn't said too much.

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Speaker 3: I feel and I never cared much for Joe either way,

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Speaker 3: Like he's fine, he was there whatever, some great songs,

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Speaker 3: but I think he has remained a gentleman like I

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Speaker 3: just feel if her and Travis break up, we'll be

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Speaker 3: getting a podcast, sit down, newspaper tell Whereas Joe hasn't

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Speaker 3: really given us too much.

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Speaker 4: That's actually really true, and thank you for raising that.

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Speaker 1: Because I thank you for being an understanding order.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't even thought about that, to be honest. But

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Speaker 2: it does seem as though he has just continued the

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Speaker 2: six and a half years. They I think he has

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Speaker 2: said has anty that we didn't talk about it. This

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Speaker 3: That shows that he's true to his character and that

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Speaker 3: maybe all along he just never did like the media.

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Speaker 1: He never overly liked the fans. He didn't like all.

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Speaker 3: Is a consistent beep, very true. You know, all right,

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Speaker 3: talk us through this extra little bit that you found.

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Speaker 4: So this crazy bit as you read on which a

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Speaker 4: lot of the other publications that were reposting what he

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Speaker 4: you guys were swifties, you would realize that this is

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Speaker 4: the biggest part of the entire article. So one of

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Speaker 4: the songs on TTPD is called the Black Dog, which

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Speaker 4: is everybody since she released that was like this is

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent about Joe. Couldn't be more about Joe,

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Speaker 4: along with so long London.

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Speaker 1: As you work in somber called.

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Speaker 4: Beautifuls and you forgot.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is so that the point of that song,

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Speaker 3: well part of is that perhaps Taylor or some person

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Speaker 3: possibly having an affair or spending time with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I took it to be.

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Speaker 4: That after they broke up, they hadn't yet finalized some

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Speaker 4: And so she's seen that he's going on a date

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Speaker 4: or he's going to this pub where it's most likely

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Speaker 4: he's going on a date, and he's moving on, and

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Speaker 4: so that feels sad for her to realize that she's

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Speaker 4: seeing him walk into this bar when she maybe doesn't

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Speaker 1: What is happening?

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Speaker 2: So it's post relationships, post relationship.

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Speaker 3: Oh when I read it, I thought it was within

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Speaker 4: So he's essentially saying, I've never been to this bar

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Speaker 4: or this pub called the Black Dog, thereby shutting down

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Speaker 4: all of all the Swifties theories that this song is

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Speaker 4: about him. So then we're kind of like, Okay, please

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Speaker 4: God not again. Is this about Matti Heally? And now

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Speaker 2: It is another song about him. So Matti Heally has

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Speaker 4: The Black Dog and it's one of the most heart

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Speaker 3: And can I point out one other lyrics so fresh

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Speaker 3: out the Slammer, which again is supposedly about leaving the

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Speaker 3: going to be. It's going to be Maddie. One of

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Speaker 3: the lines in that is swelled you into all my poems.

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Speaker 3: Now we're at the starting line. I did my time,

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Speaker 3: and we hear that starting line reference there, and then

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Speaker 3: we hear it in the black Dog referenced again.

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Speaker 1: You know, does she jump up and sing the starting line?

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Speaker 1: She does it.

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Speaker 4: So the starting line, Maddie here.

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Speaker 2: The starting line as in the starting line of the song.

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Speaker 1: No, No, a starting line is a band.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my goodness, Now I never thought it was

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Speaker 3: No, you are obviously a lot fitter than we are.

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Speaker 3: So then we did more digging this morning.

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Speaker 4: Maddy Healy has covered multiple songs by the starting Line

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Speaker 4: on tour. Yeah, so this song is one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: about Maddi Heally And it's just like we've spoken about

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Speaker 4: this before. We spoke about this, I think after one

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Speaker 4: of our records. They obviously are just more of a

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Speaker 4: fling kind of relationship. But how do actually know?

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Speaker 1: I get it?

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Speaker 4: Songs that are so heartbreaking and heart wrenching coming out

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Speaker 4: of something that was so situation shippy. But I guess

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Speaker 4: that is kind of where you get the most in

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Speaker 4: your feels, right.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: So we've always known her to exaggerate a feeling or

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Speaker 3: an emotion like, think of but Daddy, I love him?

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Speaker 3: You know, the whole song and the lyrics are all

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Speaker 3: about getting married to this guy. We know that that

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Speaker 3: didn't happen, So it's like she just takes one moment

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Speaker 3: these beautiful, tortured poems.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what's that Nruda line? It's like loving loving

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Speaker 4: is so hard, but forgetting is so long.

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Speaker 1: I think you mean, what is it? Loving him is

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Speaker 1: red ed? Oh that's a different song. Okay, So have

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Speaker 1: you caught up?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like I don't really need to be here.

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Speaker 3: I think I could have just like slunk out. And

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Speaker 3: it was the first moment out of all these educate

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Speaker 3: podcasts that I was looking at.

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Speaker 2: The two of you thinking they have lost that much.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've missed you. We've needed you here.

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Speaker 4: Because I've been coming in every morning to Jess going

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Speaker 4: Jesse thing, and we've needed you here to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: So we're so glad you're back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, and I'm glad I'm back too. But you

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Speaker 3: still haven't answered the question about the fiance. I know

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Speaker 3: that you kind, but how did they meet?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I don't know, because she's hot, probably over Instagram

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Speaker 4: hot attracts Hedo musician.

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Speaker 1: Does it so me?

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Speaker 3: For example, yeah, all right, I'm watching a musician.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I guess everyone's caught up.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to put all of this in dot points

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Speaker 3: in an email so you know what the hell is

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Speaker 3: going on. I mean, don't push yourself. Maybe the end

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Speaker 3: of the week. Today, Oh glad you're back. It's so fine,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 4: Sits In Whippa with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast

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Speaker 4: walk great shows like this. Download the Nova Player, find

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Speaker 4: the app store or Google Playing.