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Speaker 1: I get at Welcome to another installing the show. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeff's back. We fucking love him. You love him, I

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Speaker 1: love him, We love him. Have you been on any

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Speaker 1: other podcasts where the host is a potty mouth like me?

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Speaker 2: No, but you're the most charming and fun guy to

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Speaker 2: hang with. So this is my favorite time of the month,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. Yeah, thank you. It's like one of

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Speaker 2: the I think because.

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Speaker 1: Because I do them every day, like every day of

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Speaker 1: the year, and we're nearly two thousand in. You know,

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Speaker 1: for me, it's just having a chat with someone I

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Speaker 1: know that I like, and I know that sounds cheesy,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually the truth. Like when people come off,

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Speaker 1: especially new people who have either never done a podcast

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Speaker 1: or never done one with me, they go, ah, it

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Speaker 1: was just like having a conversation. I go, that's the point.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. I don't want to do an interview.

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Speaker 1: Interviews are fucking boring. Let's just talk. I love this

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Speaker 1: because it's free form.

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Speaker 2: We take it where it takes us, and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: say one thing that helps one person each time, and

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Speaker 2: that that makes it all good.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's do something back to front today. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell people about you and where they can. Let's

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Speaker 1: do the let's do the U primo before the chat,

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Speaker 1: just up front. So and you'll love the doc anyway

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Speaker 1: if you haven't heard him before. But how can people

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Speaker 1: connect with you, find you, follow you all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm doctor Jeff and I'm a simple country doctor,

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Speaker 2: traditional brain surgeon, spine surgeon who is now doing anti aging,

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Speaker 2: regenerative medicine, stem cells, peptides, you name it, we're trying

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Speaker 2: it over here. So our brand is re celebrate because

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Speaker 2: you are celebrating the renewal of yourselfs. So that's R

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Speaker 2: E C E L L E b R A t E.

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Speaker 2: As far as I know, we're the only people using

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Speaker 2: that spelling of that word on the interwebs. So if

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Speaker 2: you if you Google or whatever your browser of choice

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Speaker 2: turned into a verb, you can you can find us

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Speaker 2: by typing and re celebrate and you can reach out

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Speaker 2: to us on our on our website has an option,

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Speaker 2: our Instagram, our TikTok, our x, our Pinterest, our LinkedIn,

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Speaker 2: our Facebook, or whatever we're that everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Look at you. You sound like one of the bluddy

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Speaker 1: You sound like a tain nager.

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Speaker 2: I even say stuff like b R B instead of

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Speaker 2: be right back yeah or r W t F. Why

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Speaker 2: the frown?

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, you're the RJ of all of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, O G what does that stand for?

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Speaker 1: You know what that stands for?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 1: How have fine?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Now, dear listeners, I shared this the other day on

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Speaker 1: a show which half of you probably haven't heard, and

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Speaker 1: some of you might have. But let's call it just

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Speaker 1: a refresh because I wanted to ask the doc about this,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily because it's an area of passion or expertise

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Speaker 1: of yours, but you and I both have an interest

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Speaker 1: in motom about share. So this was there was a

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Speaker 1: an article about the paper. It's really brief. I want

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Speaker 1: thoughts because it's essentially about I'm not even going to

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: The article is called the Power of Placebo. What happens

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Speaker 1: when you believe you're taking steroids? Fifteen athletes were scattered

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Speaker 1: around a room. Everyone was looking at Gideon Ariel. That's

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Speaker 1: the researcher. We're going to give you steroids. He lied.

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Speaker 1: It was nineteen to seventy two in Ariol was conducting

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Speaker 1: a study on athletic performance with his research partner William Saville.

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Speaker 1: On this particular day, the two men were offering the

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Speaker 1: taking gear as the kids call it, doctor Jeff. Then

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Speaker 1: this one's quite amazing military press everyone, which is essentially

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Speaker 1: They had marginal improvements. And then when they took four

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around that? Like, what comes to

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Speaker 2: Well, I got two elements to respond, first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: There is significant historical and modern repetitive literature on the

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Speaker 2: power of the brain the mind. Let's see, the mind,

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Speaker 2: the brain was the brain being the you know, the

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Speaker 2: in emotions and more. This isn't new. I mean, religions

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Speaker 2: very few people tap into this because you can train

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Speaker 2: not if you know about it, it's not a placebo.

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Speaker 2: It's just a positive you know, mental motivating direction. So

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Speaker 2: so this I have no problem believing those results. What

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Speaker 2: we're now the second part is what we're lacking here

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Speaker 2: in that particular study is a comparative group where they

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Speaker 2: actually gave someone the seeroods, because we really want to know. Okay,

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Speaker 2: if if people got nothing and they had no increase, yes,

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Speaker 2: and I would have said to that group, hey, you're

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Speaker 2: not getting the steroids, but I want you. I want

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Speaker 2: you to think you did right, pretend you did even

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Speaker 2: though we're not giving you. And then another group gets

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Speaker 2: the placebo, right, which is the study group in this case,

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Speaker 2: and another group should actually freaking get the steroids. We

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Speaker 2: have three groups, and then there's you could even add

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Speaker 2: what's called a no cibo, which is kind of a

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Speaker 2: negative placibo where you you say, hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: see if those people you know could not reach their

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Speaker 2: usual personal records. Like, there's there's a lot to this

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Speaker 2: because you know, when when you're trying to look at

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Speaker 2: postulates of you got to give something or at least

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Speaker 2: the idea of something in this case, and then it

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Speaker 2: has to have a measurab effect. Then you have to

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Speaker 2: take it away again and that effect should go away,

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Speaker 2: and then you give it again and you should have

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Speaker 2: it again. This is all I think. These are Cox

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Speaker 2: postulates or something like that. This, Yeah, you study in

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Speaker 2: philosophy where you how do you what's really cause and

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Speaker 2: effect and what's just correlation? So so those are my thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that added anything, but I believe this.

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Speaker 2: This makes complete sense to me. So if these guys

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Speaker 2: can get it with a ceilin injection, you can give

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Speaker 2: yourself a mental ceilin injection or reach new personal records

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Speaker 2: every day without this.

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Speaker 1: The challenge is, as you said, though, once we know

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Speaker 1: And are we that weak? Are we that mentally weak?

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Speaker 1: I think, well, it's really interesting, isn't it, Because so there's.

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Speaker 2: Like that the relationship.

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Speaker 1: Between as you said, we'll go with mine, but the

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Speaker 1: relationship between you know, our psychology, our minds, and our

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Speaker 1: physiology is profound. Like if I think something bad's going

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Speaker 1: is real. And those guys their body couldn't distinguish between

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Speaker 1: Like how do we like knowing this? I've had a

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Speaker 1: guy called Professor Jeffrey Reddicker from Harvard Business School on

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Speaker 1: a researcher and a psychiatrist and a medical doctor and

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Speaker 1: you would love him. He's fascinating. But we spoke about this.

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Speaker 1: But like knowing that placebo work works is not the

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Speaker 1: because once you know that that drug's not real or

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Speaker 1: do we I mean the lifelong sorry but yeah, just

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Speaker 1: hant If I know that I can heal myself or

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Speaker 1: I know that I can make myself ridiculously stronger just

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Speaker 1: by a shift in what's happening in my mind, right,

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Speaker 1: how do I do that? How do I access that

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Speaker 2: That that man, if you could bottle that, that's the essence, right,

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Speaker 2: that's and that's how some people, you know, they will

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Speaker 2: themselves out of cancer, and other people are stressed to

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Speaker 2: the maximum will themselves into it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because you thoughts have a consequence, right, right consequence. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A lot of self help programs and books and teaps

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Speaker 2: me or teaps are are you know, based on the

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Speaker 1: So there's some things we just need to manage, right.

434
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Speaker 2: I mean we the more we put into controlling our environment,

435
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: like you said, exercise, hormesis, diet supplements, aversion to bad things,

436
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, And it could be in the environment, It

437
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: could be in the water source, could be what you

438
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: choose at the grocery store, those kinds of things you

439
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: call them grocery stores there, Craig, Yeah.

440
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Close enough. Well, probably supermarkets, but I think.

441
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big ones we call supermarkets as well. So

442
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: the that that's the main contributor to how you end up.

443
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: So you know, you put you've always put a lot

444
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: of effort into that, and maybe in part because you

445
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: saw your parents and you thought, oh yeah, yeah, I gotta,

446
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta make an effort here if I

447
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: want to have a healthy life, healthy long life, a

448
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: good health span.

449
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: This is a psychology question. Then I've got a couple

450
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: of specific rand eyed questions for you. But my site

451
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: question is why do you.

452
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Think that.

453
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: It often takes a catastrophe or knee catastrophe for people

454
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: to go, oh fuck, I'm going to change my life.

455
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: Well, uh, if you if you're if you're plane encounters

456
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: a wind, it can easily correct course and get back

457
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: on that course. And that course is the path of

458
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: least resistance. It's it's known, it's it's easy. Big changes

459
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: are hard, and uh, you know, you've got to shock

460
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: the system to really to really get that. So I think,

461
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: I think to reach that level of stress or or

462
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: catastrophe or whatever it is, is what we And we

463
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: see this too, and I see this in medicine all

464
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: the time. Right, someone has a heart attack and then

465
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: they Okay, I guess now I should get in shape,

466
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: you know, a little late to the party, but it

467
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: does help prevent the next one. And you know, things

468
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: like a family member getting cancer makes you start to

469
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: behave differently something like that. So it just it takes

470
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Speaker 2: something that's drastic life or death life changing to be

471
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: life changing. And also I feel darc like where.

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Speaker 1: We're so hard I don't know, maybe evolutionarily when not,

473
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: but it seems like in twenty twenty five we're very

474
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: hardwired for comfort, Like we love fucking comfort.

475
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, I agree with you one hundred percent. Yeah,

476
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: we have our routine. We know it's easily manageable, you know,

477
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: foods that are easy to come by, or prepare nighttime activities,

478
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, you know, instead of you know, physical We

479
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: were sitting around on the couch here and yeah, which

480
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: is great American pastime, right, Yeah.

481
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: And we love I mean, we love certainty, we love predictability,

482
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: we love instant gratification, we love fucking magic pills, we

483
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: love quick fixes, we love all things easy. But it's

484
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: in the doing of the easy that we actually deprive

485
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: ourselves from building strength and resilience and adaptability and capability

486
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: because we're always choosing that the most convenient, most comfortable thing,

487
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: which for a minute is going to be all, but

488
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: eventually you're going to be hit with a reality stick.

489
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Can you get to go fucking hell? I can't cope

490
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: with anything that's even slightly uncomfortable.

491
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Speaker 2: It's profound. Actually, I agree with you one hundred percent.

492
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: Think about the more stress we have, the more we

493
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: veer off our path, the more stuff we got to

494
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: take care of or add to our plate, the more

495
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: cortisol we release from the dream glands. And then if

496
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: you release more cortisol, you suppress the the content and

497
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: happy areas of the brain. You release fewer endorphins. So

498
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: why are people happy in their own little bubble because

499
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: they get more endorphins. You're getting a dose of narcotics

500
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: every time. You know, you're lazy. Now, there are some

501
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: people who thrive on the benefits of exercising. It can

502
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: actually get the endorphins from that. So you really got

503
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: to get over into that hump. But I agree with you.

504
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: I think that there's a physiologic basis for it and

505
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Speaker 2: it but what you said is profound in that d

506
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Speaker 2: to day it might work, but in the big picture

507
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: works against us.

508
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: And it seems like I mean, I get it. I

509
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: love it too. It seems like a good idea, but eventually,

510
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: you know, it's like as an exercise scientist, right, I've

511
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: been talking to people about you know, you know, their

512
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: training and their all the bullshit forever. But the amount

513
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: of people who are always going to start soon you

514
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: know they're not starting today. You know, friends of mine

515
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: and people that would stop. I'm not talking about people

516
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: who've just joined a gym, but just out and about

517
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: people who talk to me and they're like, yeah, I've

518
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: really got to start off it. I'm like, how about today?

519
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Today is not good? You know, like it's never now,

520
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: it's never today, it's always soon, And then you look

521
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: up and it's five years later and it's still fucking soon.

522
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: It's still not today, it's still not now, right, And

523
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: the thing is that, you know, like the thing that

524
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 1: we need to do to live our values or to

525
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: get the best out of ourselves is often not the

526
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: thing that we want to do in the moment, so

527
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: we're always putting that on some kind of to do list,

528
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: but not today. You know, there's so that you know,

529
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: and then you wake up. I did a corporate gig

530
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: yesterday and it was anyway, it went really well. It

531
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: was a really nice session. One of the things that

532
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I do is, you know, say, look, don't overthink this,

533
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: but who wants to change their body in some way

534
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: whatever that means, you know, just change the way that

535
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: your body works or functions, you know, feels, and every

536
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: hand goes up, hundreds of hands go up, and then

537
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I go cool, who's going to do the work starting today?

538
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: And then like no, hands go up, right. So there's

539
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: a big difference between what I would like to happen

540
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: and what I'm going to make happen, because one requires

541
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: no effort and one requires is all the effort.

542
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: How many of your friends and colleagues have had this

543
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: great idea, maybe for a patent or a process or

544
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: and but have never done anything except tell you about

545
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: their idea and say, or when someone else executes on

546
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: that idea, they say, oh, I had that idea years ago,

547
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: but you sat on it. So you know, there's a saying,

548
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: uh that I don't completely love. It's called knowledge is power.

549
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: You hear that one before? Well, in my mind, knowledge

550
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: is is cool, But executing on knowledge that's the power.

551
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: Got it? You got to not just want it, You

552
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: got to do that. You got to walk the walk,

553
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: not just talk the talk. And this this you know,

554
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: in terms of starting, let me give you some financial advice, Craig,

555
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: because I'm you know, I'm a financial whiz.

556
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm ready.

557
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: The best The best time to invest is yesterday. Yeah. Yeah,

558
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: So if you didn't, if you want to start a

559
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: workout plan, you're already behind. For those of you sitting

560
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: around on the couch. And and I didn't mean that

561
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: judgmentally because I do also sometimes sit on the couch. Now,

562
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: thank God for my wife. She's uh, she said, you

563
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: know what we haven't been good about the gym since COVID.

564
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: We go here and there, we do our walks we started.

565
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: In the last five weeks, we've been hitting. I'm going

566
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: to give a plug for pilates here to get back

567
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: in shape. Pilates is kicking my reader.

568
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are you doing the reform A bad one?

569
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? We do get up, stand up and do some

570
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: things as well, but it's reformer base and I'm working

571
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: different leg muscles and things I didn't realize I was

572
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: going to have to in life. So it's been great.

573
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: I've been putting my muscle mass back on, having a

574
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: little protein drink as we talk in my protein and

575
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: I I can't thank her enough for making sure we

576
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: get up and she even once she's like, let's do

577
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: that six am class. I'm like, okay, crazy lady, let's go. Okay, Well,

578
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: we get up and we go, we get o and

579
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: then we come back and then get ready for work.

580
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: So I just really love her.

581
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: I really do. And man, she looks good on a reformer.

582
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try not think about that too much, but

583
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm with you in the you know,

584
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: it's it's like what you know, as you said, knowledge

585
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: is great. Knowledge is knowledge is potential power, depending on

586
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: what we do or don't do with it. You know,

587
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: it's like even with these I've said this too many

588
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: times to my listeners, but you know, we've literally got

589
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: somewhere around two thousand hours two thousand hours of content online,

590
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: and you know, listening is good and being inspired or

591
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: informed or educated or amused or entertained is good. And

592
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: if your only reason for listening is because you just

593
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: want to listen, that's then tickety boot, tick the box,

594
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: You've done it. But if one of your reasons for

595
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: listening is because there's stuff that you want to change,

596
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: if you want to change how you look, feel, function, operate,

597
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: the way that you communicate, the way that you self regulate,

598
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: the way that you manage your mind and your emotions

599
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: and choices and behaviors and outcomes, then listening does fuck all.

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00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: It's like, listening is good, but it's like what can

601
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I operationalize? What do I know? And what am I

602
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: doing with what I know regarding what I need to change?

603
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: And that is the you know, because there and I

604
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: mean this with respect to all of our listeners, of course,

605
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: but it's like listening and knowing stuff requires not much effort,

606
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: not much effort, but actually taking that theory and transforming

607
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: it from an idea and intention, a plan or a

608
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: goal into real world behavior. That kind of sucks. That's

609
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: a different proposition, yep.

610
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: So sometimes people can create an incentive for themselves. And

611
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: I heard about a website or an app on the

612
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: phone where you can deposit some money and only if

613
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: you accomplish whatever goal it is, do you get the

614
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: money back.

615
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: That's so good. That's so good. That's well. I mean,

616
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: that wouldn't work for me, but I think that would

617
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: work for a lot of people. It's not the dumbest side,

618
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: Like I reckon this doc. I always say to people,

619
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: there's no best protocol, but there's the best protocol for you,

620
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: because you know, not only not only clinically and not

621
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: only from a pharmacology point of view, but psychologically. Or

622
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, the best workout for me might injure you,

623
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: or the best workout for you might be too hard

624
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: for me, or whatever. Right, And it's and where kind

625
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: of similar age is should probably similar height and weight.

626
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: And it's not like there's the best workout, or there's

627
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: the best diet, or there's but it's trying to find

628
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, what is how does my body respond to

629
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: these various stimuli? Like what is Some people are great

630
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: with six and a half hours sleep? I wish I

631
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: was because I would love to sleep less, because I

632
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: would love to do more. But I can't. If I

633
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: have regularly six or five and a half hours, I'm

634
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: no good. My brain doesn't work the same, my body

635
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: doesn't recover the same everything, right, so I need Like,

636
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: what's optimal for me is about eight hours. What's optimal

637
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: for me is two meals a day. What's optimals for

638
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: me is regular traditional strength training. And that's because I've

639
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: been an n equals one project my whole life, and

640
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: I know how my mind, body, emotions respond to various stimuli, right,

641
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: And I think part of this is people being able

642
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to try and test things for themselves, you know, not

643
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: in a reckless way, but in a sensible way to

644
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: learn how to operate their own body.

645
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Everyone is an individual, and your

646
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: physiologic needs are different than someone else's. You work out

647
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: every day, which is maybe another reason why you need

648
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: that eight hours. I would imagine that more sedentary people

649
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: don't need eight hours because they don't need as much

650
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: cellular repair at night and rebuild. But in the long run,

651
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: you're doing good things for yourself. So it comes back

652
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: to the incentive. You're motivated. Everyone has their own why why?

653
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: What would it take? Yes, you know why should I

654
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: do this?

655
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: Right?

656
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: What's your why here? You know a lot of business

657
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: people like to do that, you know in their marketing.

658
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: What's the why why should I buy an iPhone? Yeah,

659
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing.

660
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: And I think also with this, like we're really talking

661
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: about I talk to people a lot about what is

662
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: the thing that is going to best work for you?

663
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: And how do we turn that ideal behavior or you know, protocol?

664
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: How do we turn that into a habit? So that

665
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: now this is just part of your normal operating system.

666
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: This is not something that you need self control, willpower, discipline, focus, inspiration.

667
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: You can't do that, Like, you can't do that or

668
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: be that every day. So how do I how do

669
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: I operationalize certain things and turn them into hardwired habits?

670
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: So now this is just what I do on autopilot.

671
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: This is not what I do when I'm in the zone.

672
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: This is my new normal, right.

673
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of your your regular day. It's you

674
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: feel funny if you don't do it, you you're yeah,

675
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, So these habits are formed, right,

676
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: you start small, but continuum. You do it once or once,

677
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: then it's twice, and it's a tradition and et cetera.

678
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Yes. One of the things I get asked a lot

679
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: is how you how do you stay so motivated to

680
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: do this and that? And I go, I don't, like,

681
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't stay motivated like it's just like, you don't

682
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: need to get inspired to clean your teeth, Like nothing

683
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: in your mind goes will I or wont I clean

684
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: my teeth today? Because it's a hardwired thing, you know.

685
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: Then you go, oh, well, what if I extrapolate that

686
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of reality into whatever it is a daily walk,

687
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: a daily run, or healthy eating. So now I don't

688
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: need to white knuckle it through the next three months

689
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: of trying to live up to this standard that's not

690
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: maintainable with willpower, you know.

691
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: And now we're coming full circle back to the Placebo study.

692
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: What is that it'sil switch to go from not doing

693
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: something to doing something, or go from not reaching a

694
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: personal record to reaching a personal record? Yes, what is that?

695
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: That thing is Are we tapping back into that same

696
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: brain center where the placebo works.

697
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the thing is belief rot It's

698
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: like belief is the magic. Like if you believe that

699
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: you're taking something, your body responds according to the belief.

700
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you are sending signals to your body like, hey,

701
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: I got a steroid. I will be growing so I

702
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: can work harder, I can lift harder, I'll be able

703
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: to take it now it won't hurt as much. You know,

704
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it turns into a The belief

705
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: and motivation centers are probably very closely related. And when

706
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: you look at motive, let's look at motivation for a minute. Yeah,

707
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: because again this is probably the thing that holds people

708
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: back the most. When you look at motivation, we know this.

709
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: It's driven by tassosterone. It's probably located in the frontal

710
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: lobe prefrontal lobe, because you look at people with seizures

711
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: and strokes and things, and they can lose motivation to

712
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: do anything. The pre frontal lobe is more of a

713
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: planning area. Let's say I want to swing on my

714
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: golf club. Uh, A part of my brain has to go, Okay,

715
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna get your golf club, You're gonna wind it

716
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: up behind you, You're gonna get your stance, You're going

717
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: to address the ball, et cetera. You know, there's that

718
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: whole plan in the motor planning area or activity planning area.

719
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: So there's something about stimulating those. So when you if

720
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: you look at a group of at least guys, for example,

721
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: if I'm sorry in your vernacular blokes, you taught me

722
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: how to say blokes last.

723
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: Time, I think, yeah, good boy, good boy, go right.

724
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Thank you. So if you look at a bunch of

725
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: blokes and you look at how many if you give them,

726
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: Let's say you did a study and you get a

727
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: thousand blokes and you give you give, you know, all

728
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: of them a list of three tasks that are ranging

729
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: and challenge from you know, flosh your teeth every day

730
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: to set a new personal record, and how long you

731
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: can hold a plank. You know, I'm a feeling that

732
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: the percentage of people that accomplish those will be related

733
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: to their testosterone level. More testosterone, the more likely they

734
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 2: are to accomplish and be motivated to accomplish. So now

735
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: we could do another study. Since we're now study designers

736
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: by virtue of this conversation where we would we would

737
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: take that placebo group and we would expand it because

738
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: that was a small study, didn't you say it was

739
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: like six people or something and ended up with six yep,

740
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: six six were the winners that got the But you

741
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: take a larger group and you give them a placebo

742
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: and you're going to get better data out of that.

743
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: And you say, yeah, because it's not going to be

744
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: all of them are going to reach your personal record.

745
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: And I would say those who reached the higher personal record,

746
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: I wonder if we could correlate that to their testosterone level. Wow, wow,

747
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: I have a feelingsterone replacement therapy is so good because

748
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: it helps people get stuff done and stay healthier. Yeah.

749
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also what's interesting over here and I know

750
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: in the States, like I heard halle Berry talking to

751
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: this is this is what comes up on my Instagram.

752
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: By the way halle Berry talking to I'm going to

753
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: say Drew Barrymore. Yes, yeah, how about they're both taking

754
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: testosterone and you know, chasing their husband relentlessly around the house,

755
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, tongue in cheek haha, and how amazing they feel.

756
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: So it's not just a bloke thing, right, It's not

757
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: just a bloke thing.

758
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: I said that because I think we would be easy

759
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: easier to study in blokes. But yeah, listen, hormone optimization

760
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: or replacement therapy is a big deal. If we haven't

761
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: talked about this already, you know, this came out, This

762
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: came from three or four decades ago. And people notice

763
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: that as you age, your sex hormone levels declined. So

764
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: and man it's mostly testosterone and women it's estrogens, progestins

765
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: or progesterone and testosterone. Well so they said, oh, as

766
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: you age, these go smaller, we'll just watch them go smaller,

767
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: go lower. Well, as it turns out that we might

768
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: have had the cause and effectron and you might age

769
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: because they go low. So what if we were to

770
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: replace him? And that started years ago and it was

771
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: very cutting edge, and you know, people like Suzanne Summers

772
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: wrote a book about it. And this is the basis

773
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: of preventative or anti aging hormone replacement treatment. If you

774
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: look at women, those who start hormone replacement therapy in

775
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,479
Speaker 2: their premenopause tend to prolong their menopause in a good way,

776
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: like push it off.

777
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: And.

778
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: They tend to, and now we have enough data to

779
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: say they live longer. We also know that women who

780
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: have periods longer without replacement live longer because internally they're

781
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: exposed to more hormones. We know that women who have

782
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: later pregnancies in life live longer because they have prolonged

783
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: those feminine cycles. We also know same in men. Testosterones

784
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: needed for muscle maintenance. We know in men and women

785
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: hormones are needed to maintain bone density, and both muscle

786
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: mass and bone ensity are correlated with survival and health span.

787
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: So the conclusion is hormone replacement therapy isn't probably the

788
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: best thing you could easily do on a medical side,

789
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: aside from exercise, to really prolong a healthy life.

790
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so funny that it's so controversial, Like

791
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: if I've got low iron, they go, well, let's supplement

792
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: with ion, or if I'm calcium deficient, let's wax some

793
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: calcis him in there, let's whatever, you know, let's change

794
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: your diet. Or if I'm you know, whatever, you're lacking,

795
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: or they don't go, yeah, we'll craig your old. So

796
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: just fucking have shit bone density, you know. So that's

797
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: what happens when you're old. Your bones break. So there's that,

798
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: but we can't treat it. But when it comes to

799
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: especially for guys, I think for hormones, it's like, well,

800
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: of course you've got low testosterone. You're fifty five, so

801
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: sixty you're sixty five, so but you're in the normal range. Yeah,

802
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: we're at all gay, Yeah yeah, yeah. And like I

803
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: was talking to an old guy who's I can't remember

804
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: how old you are, but I think you're younger than me.

805
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was talking to a guy the other day.

806
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: He's sixty seven and.

807
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: He is.

808
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for him, Like he's a really

809
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: good dude. He's sad, he's depressed, but he's not Matt.

810
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: He's trying, he goes.

811
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: I just like he full disclosure, zero sex drive, doesn't

812
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: enjoy anything like to me, everything that he was, but

813
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: he really wants to be better. Like he's exercising, his

814
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: diet's good, he's doing. But I just think, and I'm

815
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: no doctor, right, but I just think his testosterone through

816
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: the floor, and I I agree with you.

817
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: I think it's like he's got new spark plugs, he's

818
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: got new tires, but there's no oil in the in

819
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: the engines, so he still can't go. So you got

820
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: you gotta get that. I agree with you. It's probably

821
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: the first thing I would look at with someone like that.

822
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: I think most you know, I think also your mood,

823
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: you cranky curmudgeons, are probably low in testosterone.

824
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: And that's one of the funny things too, is like

825
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: with testosterone, they say, oh, guys are on testosterone are angry.

826
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you ever met guys with no testosterone?

827
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: The no, the anger comes with super normal testosterone also,

828
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: so you'd have to be sick. We're not talking about

829
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: making someone into the incredible hulk. We're talking about replacing

830
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: that youthful vigor they had when they were in their

831
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: twenties and thirties.

832
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not talking about tiking steroids out the back

833
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: of a penal van or a youth or as you

834
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: would call it, a truck from a blug in the

835
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: car pock of the gym. I'm not talking about that.

836
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like in Australia you might have to

837
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: if you want to get it.

838
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's very prevalent.

839
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: Don worry about that.

840
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's yeah, it's everybody's got a

841
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy. You know.

842
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: Listen, if you're Australian, you could take a trip to

843
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: probably Philippines, Singapore, somewhere not too far and get you know,

844
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: the palettes toostrou palates. They dissolve over four to six months.

845
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: You can go twice a year. Just get that done.

846
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: Really does that? I don't know much about that.

847
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Does that?

848
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: This is a dumb question, but does it work? Is

849
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: it the same?

850
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they work? The you know the There are

851
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: multiple ways to get to sasstrone number one topical. It

852
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: could be a cream or a patch and some people

853
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: don't absorb it well or get enough that way, but

854
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: that might be a way when you're younger. If you

855
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: want a little bit. Two, you can inject it. You

856
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: can inject it into your muscle. Usually that's every week

857
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: or every month, depending on how much you're giving. You

858
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: can also inject it subcutaneous, just a little teeny injection

859
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 2: under the skin, and that can be daily. That tends

860
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Speaker 2: to be a lot. That's now that A lot of

861
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: peptide stuff we do is like that. And then you

862
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: can get pellets, which is just under the skin and

863
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: they dissolve over time. They're pretty good absorption. There's a

864
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: new oral form that I don't know enough about and

865
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 2: can't tell you if it's effective. There are also some

866
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: medications that block the breakdown, like this and in chlomophine

867
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know a ton about it,

868
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Speaker 2: and I try to stay away from pharmaceuticals. I'd rather

869
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: we use the bioidentical hormonial body made throughout its entire life.

870
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, makes sense. I wanted to ask you just

871
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Speaker 1: one thing before we go, which is completely irrelevant to

872
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: everything else we've spoken about in Australia and I'm sure

873
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: in America, but there's just a lot of debate at

874
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: the moment around seed oils and a lot of hysteria.

875
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: Yep.

876
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Speaker 1: I don't know if could you give us your thoughts

877
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Speaker 1: on that, not as the final word, but just your

878
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: thoughts because I'm interested.

879
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: There's compelling evidence that the seed oils monkey with our

880
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: fat metabolism and could be the cause for various cancer's

881
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: coronary arter disease, which really peaked up after the nineteen

882
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: forties in America, which is pretty much when people were

883
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: shifting from beef tallow beef and pork fats, you know,

884
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: bacon grease to these these vegetable oil replacements which were designed,

885
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: as you know, an engine lubricant, to be fair. Yes, yes,

886
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: so we're now we now have enough longtudinal data to

887
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: look back and say, this looks like it was a problem,

888
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: and diabetes and obesity and all that appears to be

889
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: potentially affected adversely by that. So I don't want people

890
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: to be hysterical, but I think you should avoid seed

891
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: oils to the extent that you can. So even you know,

892
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: we're starting to see a move in America. Even some

893
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: of the fast food restaurants are using beef talow to

894
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: make their French frise.

895
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw that came up on my timeline

896
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Speaker 1: as well. If it's a franchise we don't have here.

897
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember the nine, but yeah, they've gone back

898
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: to to you using bave tella, which is and I

899
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Speaker 1: think what's his name, RFKI is a big proponent of

900
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: getting rid of all of that, isn't he?

901
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? The sea or I don't think. I think Robert F.

902
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: Kennedy is junior is interested in giving people choices, but

903
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: letting them know transparently what's good and what's bad. And

904
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: you know the problem here, of course is cost in

905
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: shelf life. Right, most of the foods in America are

906
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: highly preserved, lots of chemicals. Why so they can sit

907
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: on the shelf until they're sold, you know, in these

908
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: big supermarket chains and then you know, otherwise, most fresh fruit,

909
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: fresh food doesn't last that long, has expiration dates, so

910
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: companies lose money if they don't sell it.

911
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: Ye.

912
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: So you know, there was a time when we had

913
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Speaker 2: trouble feeding our country and and and these things were developed,

914
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Speaker 2: but now that's not an issue generally speaking. Yeah.

915
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: Well, as always, Doc, love chatting with you. I feel

916
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Speaker 1: like I meandered a little bit, so I apologize. I

917
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Speaker 1: don't think that was my best I love it as always,

918
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Speaker 1: you were fucking fabulous.

919
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Speaker 2: Well by the same, Well bye a fair but.

920
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Speaker 1: For the moment, Doc, thanks for your time and thanks

921
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Speaker 1: for being part of the You project. We really appreciate

922
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Speaker 1: you always.

923
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Look forward to talking.

924
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Speaker 2: Hopefully some of your audience will write in some topics

925
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Speaker 2: and questions that we can we can also cover that

926
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Speaker 2: might be of interest.

927
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea. So what I'll do is

928
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Speaker 1: good idea. See, that's why we've got you. You should

929
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Speaker 1: be the producer of the show. So everyone on that

930
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: go to you Project Facebook page, the New Project Facebook page,

931
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, any questions that you've got for the doc

932
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: to unpack and explore. I'll also do a promo another

933
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Speaker 1: promo saying what I'm saying right now a week or

934
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Speaker 1: a few days out from our next recording. But anything

935
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: that you'd like the doc to explore. New Project podcast

936
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Speaker 1: facebook page is about. I think we've got a little

937
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: community of about four thousand people on there, but go

938
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Speaker 1: and be part of that gang. And yeah, that'd be great.

939
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Speaker 1: All right mate, we'll say goodbye a fair but again,

940
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Speaker 1: thank you.

941
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Speaker 2: Great to see you.