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Speaker 1: Now. The state government has this morning announced new training

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Speaker 1: for motorbike riders in South Australia. For anyone wanting to

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Speaker 1: pick up a learner's permit from the ninth of December

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Speaker 1: this year, there will be more extensive training required. The

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Speaker 1: Transport Minister Tom Kutsontonis on the line, Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, how are you all right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? What's involved here?

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Speaker 2: A lot more training, a lot more training and a

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Speaker 2: lot more assessment. We're making this a much more rigorous assessment.

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Speaker 2: We're testing people in a classroom setting, we're also testing

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Speaker 2: them in a course setting, and we're start testing them

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Speaker 2: out on the road. We're limiting the class sizes to

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Speaker 2: five learners with two instructors who will fully qualify. We

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Speaker 2: want there to be a proper assessment of people's capabilities

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Speaker 2: and skills and a proper awareness training of hazards that

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Speaker 2: are out there. So we're talking about it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a lot more rigorous to get your learners permit,

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Speaker 2: a lot more involvement, a lot more involvement and testing.

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Speaker 2: It's a two day course to get your license, so

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Speaker 2: we're making people go through a classroom setting and then

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Speaker 2: a lot of driver assessment by a qualified independent assessor

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Speaker 2: who'd be employed by the South Australian government. These do

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Speaker 2: mean that costs will go up, but I've got to say, Matthew,

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Speaker 2: the amount of costs that are going up compared to

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Speaker 2: the loss of life is I think something that people

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Speaker 2: are going to have to accept. These reforms are not

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Speaker 2: going to be popular amongst some young men and women

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Speaker 2: who are about to try and get their motorbike licenses

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Speaker 2: because it does make it more expensive pick My message

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Speaker 2: to them is it is going to take longer to

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Speaker 2: get your motorbike license. There are a lot more tests,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot more assessments, and the assessments are

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Speaker 2: a lot more rigorous. And I'm no apology for that

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Speaker 2: because we're trying to save their.

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Speaker 1: Life and motorcyclists are over represented represented in fatalities and

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Speaker 1: in crashers. The fatalities we've had have been older people,

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Speaker 1: haven't they Primarily There's been a lot of older people

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Speaker 1: fifty five plus, fifties into their seventies killed on South

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Speaker 1: Australian roads. So these are weekend riders, aren't they essentially?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure what the cohort is, but there

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Speaker 2: was a big uptake of people during COVID post COVID

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Speaker 2: getting their motorbike licenses and buying motorbikes, and there was

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Speaker 2: an overrepresentation of middle aged men, people my age who

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Speaker 2: are sort of going out and sort of getting their motorbikes.

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Speaker 2: But the fatality is what the one consistent statistic that's

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Speaker 2: been there is about fifteen percent of all the motorbike

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Speaker 2: fatalities have learned drivers learner riders, and they're overrepresented.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to cost six hundred dollars more. Is

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Speaker 1: that fair? I mean that's not a small hike. It's

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Speaker 1: not eight hundred to a grand for instance, it's fourteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: Now that's a lot.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money, but there's obviously a lot

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Speaker 2: more testing. We're talking about out the learner's course where

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Speaker 2: we replaced we'll replace the current course which is a

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Speaker 2: two full days run by two instructors with a maximum

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Speaker 2: of five students. So we're talking about you've got to

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Speaker 2: sit down and do an online hazard awareness and write

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Speaker 2: a knowledge test to basically test your knowledge about writing

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Speaker 2: safe and then we have a two day test, a

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Speaker 2: two day examination. We've got to demonstrate your opportunities to

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Speaker 2: at a ride safely on an on roaded assessment while

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Speaker 2: you're under supervision. So there's a lot more touch points

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Speaker 2: here with highly trained professionals, which does cost more. And look,

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Speaker 2: I want to say this politely so I don't want

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Speaker 2: to offend anyone, especially existing motorbike riders, but it is

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Speaker 2: going to be harder to get your motorbike license. This

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Speaker 2: has been basically one of those foremo set and forget

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Speaker 2: types of tests where we set the test fifteen twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago and haven't caught up with modern techniques and

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Speaker 2: motorbike riders, no matter how much better qualified they asked

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Speaker 2: more experience, I'm more vulnerable than everyone else. Often it's

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Speaker 2: not their fault. There are other people. But I was

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Speaker 2: speaking today at the press conference where the moti Traders

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Speaker 2: Association were talking to me about how that lost one

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Speaker 2: of their apprentices who was a learner learner writer who

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Speaker 2: got killed because he hit a pothole. You know, there

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Speaker 2: there are there are lots of things that we need

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Speaker 2: to get make motorbike riders aware of the hazards well

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Speaker 2: before they get on a motorbike.

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Speaker 1: About the state of our roads though, doesn't it more

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Speaker 1: than anything else?

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Speaker 2: It does, Yes, it does that too. But look, you

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Speaker 2: know there's over nearly thirty thousand kind winters of road

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Speaker 2: to maintain, so it's never going to be perfect. But

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Speaker 2: we need to make sure that we give these young

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Speaker 2: people the tools that they need to survive. And it

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Speaker 2: is going to cost more money, is going to be

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Speaker 2: harder to get your license, not because of a barrier.

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Speaker 2: We're just simply saying these are the risks and these

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Speaker 2: are the skills we think you need to overcome these risks.

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Speaker 1: All right, So training at six locations Saint Agnes, murray Bridge, Millicent,

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Speaker 1: Barber Report, Pirie and Wyala. Do we need more in

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Speaker 1: the city I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think so, but if we do, we can always roll

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Speaker 2: them out.

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Speaker 1: So people have got to go to these centers to

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Speaker 1: get their license, that's right. So if you live at Seaford,

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Speaker 1: you've got to go to Saint Agnes or murry Bridge.

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Speaker 2: And the city of course I am the city.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, all right, so, but but there's nothing down

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Speaker 1: south otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Other than Seaford.

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Speaker 1: Oh there is, Okay, I've just got the six locations

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Speaker 1: listed in Saint Agnes, murray Bridge, Millicent, barmb Report, Pieri

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Speaker 1: and Whale. So there is more than more than those places.

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Speaker 2: My understanding is this, I'll check and get back to you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I just says training at six locations and say,

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Speaker 1: all right, so you this is what a safety essay

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Speaker 1: a service essay center essentially is that where it's been.

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Speaker 2: Done, there'll be appropriate centers where people can do the

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Speaker 2: online courses and the actual testing.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, look anything to improve road safety. I understand

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Speaker 1: that the cost and that might be a good factor

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Speaker 1: to stop young people perhaps getting their motorbike license too young.

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Speaker 2: Well there's that as well. I mean, part of you

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Speaker 2: wants a discourage from getting their motorbike bikes. But the

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Speaker 2: other part of me also said, we live in a

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Speaker 2: free country, people, and time to go out and ride

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Speaker 2: a motorbike. So what I'm saying is what I've asked

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Speaker 2: the independent experts tell me the skill set you need

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Speaker 2: to write a motorbike safely and to be a good

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Speaker 2: competent learner where they can graduate to a driver's to

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Speaker 2: a proper motifycle license. And they've come back with this. Now,

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Speaker 2: as a minister, I'd have to say that's too expensive.

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Speaker 2: Give me something cheaper, which means, by the facto it's

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Speaker 2: less safe. Yeah, so I do apologize for the cost,

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Speaker 2: and I don't apologize for the cost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I get what you're saying, Grant, I do. Grant's

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Speaker 1: asking a great question here. What's been done to make

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Speaker 1: car drivers more aware of motorbikes? Great question, That is a.

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Speaker 2: Very good question. And we've got more to say about

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Speaker 2: driver reforms coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll wait and see. Minister, appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. Thank you, thank you. Match Tom Kutzantoni's

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Speaker 1: Transport Minister,