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Speaker 1: Hi'm my Boris and this is straight talk.

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Speaker 2: You can be my friend, you can be the biggest asshole.

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Speaker 2: I will still kill you on there. It's the job

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Speaker 2: to be done.

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Speaker 1: Freggus album to straight talk, make Mark thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Let's not go and act as a Sean Strickland. Fights

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Speaker 2: are entertaining. I'm there to give the people a show,

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Speaker 2: a fight, and I'm in there to kill someone. I'm

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Speaker 2: not in there to point my way to victory.

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Speaker 1: You just said you're going there to kill somebody. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that's a mindset. How do you become that person?

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Speaker 2: I'm fighting a guy in front of millions of people

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Speaker 2: that wants to kill me, and I want to kill him.

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Speaker 2: That's all the motivation you need. I'm pretty hyped up

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Speaker 2: when I get out there.

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Speaker 1: Pereira, what would you ask him?

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Speaker 2: How's it going to feel to be in Sean Strickland's

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Speaker 2: corner losing again?

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Speaker 1: Ask him that, what's the next thing for you?

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Speaker 2: Now? Becoming world champion as a big, big step, but

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Speaker 2: this is not the end. My final step is being

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Speaker 2: the greatest to ever do the sports. Along the way,

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Speaker 2: being double champed is one of the steps to choose that.

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Speaker 1: Joregus want them to straight talk. Mate, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me more importantly to Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And then you're here for this astral Day long weekend

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Speaker 1: which has just passed. How was that mate? What was

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Speaker 1: it like? I mean you obviously didn't go out and

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Speaker 2: It sucked to be honest, because I could just see

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Speaker 2: it's like a public holiday and you can see people

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Speaker 2: are just having the best time and I just say no, tell.

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Speaker 2: I went out and we went we got something to

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Speaker 2: eat and I could just see everybody having the best times.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, after the fight, I'll have my Australia Day.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm off mine. About fighters, I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: go through like say twelve weeks prep fight then, so

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Speaker 1: like I don't have to fight now for where I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna fight again in June, so I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: month off. Do you have a month off? Something happened?

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Speaker 2: So sometimes you are forced to take off because of injury. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it is good, you know you get these guys.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys do that. So they'll fight I

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Speaker 2: have come, they'll take off for a month and sometimes

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Speaker 2: even longer. I can't do that like taking off for

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Speaker 2: do and what am I going to do for that

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Speaker 2: whole month. So it's less intense. I'll take off. I'll

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Speaker 2: ever long I need. Sometimes mostly I'll fight this Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Next day I'll be at least go for a run.

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Speaker 2: If the next day, the next day, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you if you're not injured, because you know, if

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Speaker 2: you do this your whole life. I've been fighting professional

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Speaker 2: now since I was nineteen years on the only job

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Speaker 2: I've ever had, So what else am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: It's what I know. It makes me feel good to

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Speaker 2: train so and especially after a fight, you immediately start

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Speaker 2: thinking about what you could have done better and the

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Speaker 2: things you can improve on, and then you want to

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Speaker 2: start working. But it's very important to take that break.

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Speaker 2: Earlier in my career, I couldn't. I couldn't do it

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Speaker 2: and couldn't switch off, and that that adds up. It

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Speaker 2: You started losing the fun. If I can say.

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Speaker 1: It, yeah, and you've got to love it too.

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Speaker 2: You have to love it. And now I absolutely love

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Speaker 2: it and did you get that obsessed, you start and

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Speaker 2: you just want to go go. You start not appreciating

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Speaker 2: what's next, focus on what just happened. Take it in,

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Speaker 2: go on a week, two weeks, breakaway and come back

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Speaker 2: and start working again. Said what to do?

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Speaker 1: You got like family? Obviously got family, but are you married?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a fiance? And I'm very close to

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Speaker 2: my mom, dad, and my brothers and their wives and kids.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's that's a breakaway for me, spending time

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Speaker 2: only it's a selfish sport. It's only me the fight ahead,

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Speaker 2: and everything takes a back seat. So that's the time

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Speaker 1: That's interesting you're say, and I'm glad you sort of

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Speaker 1: made that a mission. It is a selfage game. At

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Speaker 1: what point does someone like you say, and I don't

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Speaker 1: then I'll settle down. How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a you get two minds on that.

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Speaker 2: I mean in most guys, a lot of guys, especially

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Speaker 2: you know, because I want to have a family or

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Speaker 2: only got engaged very recently. And yeah, it's something you

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Speaker 2: have to think about because you know, I have so

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Speaker 2: can only imagine because it's not like they are just dads.

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Speaker 2: They are involved that you can see it. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I look at my dad. My dad gave me everything

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Speaker 2: looking after us very well. He didn't miss a single game,

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Speaker 2: didn't miss a single anything that I did, me or

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Speaker 2: my two older brothers. And you know where I am

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Speaker 2: right now, I can honestly say in terms of what

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play and be better for him. When

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Speaker 2: I played rugby, you know, he was there every single game.

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Speaker 2: I actually did dancing at a stage when I was younger.

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Speaker 2: He didn't miss a dance. He didn't miss anything I

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Speaker 2: drove thousands of kilometers to take us to judo tournaments.

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Speaker 2: All that just out of the love. And that's more important.

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Speaker 2: So when you are going to do that, That's why

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Speaker 2: I so much respect for a guy like Robin Volk

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Speaker 2: to be involved while doing this full time. I don't

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Speaker 2: my career. Like I said, I got engaged, but I

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Speaker 2: I know if I'm going to be your father, I'm

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Speaker 1: Does that mean when you say you got lots to do,

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Speaker 1: does that mean perhaps go up into a second division?

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Speaker 1: Another division. I mean, what what do you have to do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're already the champ in congratulations by the way,

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Speaker 1: you defended as well, and you know, you know, against

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Speaker 1: someone who's considered to be, you know, the greatest of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for me right now? You know, ever since

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Speaker 2: kind McGregor that it became almost a norm of being

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Speaker 2: going up winning another title. What people have been struggling

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Speaker 2: to be one to do that, winning both titles and

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Speaker 2: defending them. But when the time is right, I believe,

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Speaker 2: you know, at least three defenses before you even consider

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Speaker 2: going up a weight division. You really have to dominate

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Speaker 2: your division. You know, right now, I've beaten three of

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Speaker 2: the guys in the top five of my division, and

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Speaker 2: I think if you've gone through the whole the top

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Speaker 2: get to a situation where you go, well, what's next

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Speaker 2: or just keep on doing rematches. I'm already rematching one guy.

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Speaker 2: That's when I'll start thinking about that, but I definitely

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Speaker 2: want to. It's one hundred in my part of the journey.

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Speaker 2: It's the next step. Now, becoming world champion as a big,

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Speaker 2: big step, but this is not the end, you know.

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Speaker 2: My final step is being the greatest to ever do

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Speaker 2: this sport. And along the way being double champions is

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Speaker 2: one of the steps to achieve that dream.

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Speaker 1: As it worked, though Driguz does just dainn to come

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Speaker 1: up to you and say, hey, mate, let's maybe doesn't

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Speaker 1: say mate, but Hedrick, let's go and put you up

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Speaker 1: a division? Or do you do planning strategy planning in

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Speaker 1: that regard with someone like Don and White.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's not the way we go

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Speaker 2: about it or would go about it. It's about fighting

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Speaker 2: and making at the end of the day the suspectator sport,

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Speaker 2: so it has to make sense for the company. Whatever

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Speaker 2: the opportunity. And with this it's purely going to be

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Speaker 2: there is once you go up, this is going to

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Speaker 2: make more money than any other fight in your division

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Speaker 2: and more sense, because you don't want to water down

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Speaker 2: a champion going to face another champion that needs to

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Speaker 2: be a very especially the guy in the lower weight

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Speaker 2: his spot in fighting for another title. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's how it goes about, and the fans need to

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Speaker 2: be calling for it. People need to go, Okay, done

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Speaker 2: with this division. We need to see him one up.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if you can, you know, get that comma

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Speaker 2: commas zero zero zero one percent achievements.

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Speaker 1: So it's when I when I look at you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a mad five fan. And in every sort of

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Speaker 1: discipline of fighting. What did you first start off in

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Speaker 1: terms of your disciplines? Like you know it was it grappling, judo,

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Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, boxing, Where did you get I.

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Speaker 2: Started with judo when I was five years old and

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Speaker 2: I did that for five to six years. My brothers

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Speaker 2: were both multiple national champions in judo.

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Speaker 1: This is your older brothers, Yeah, brothers. I'm the youngest,

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Speaker 1: the youngest in the family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay, And my oldest brother became national champion twice,

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Speaker 2: my middle brother four times, and I did it four

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Speaker 2: five to six years and then we moved, We moved

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Speaker 2: to another province, and the judo there wasn't just not

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Speaker 2: at that level. And then I started wrestling for around two.

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Speaker 1: Years, wrestling as in actual wrestling, like amateur wrestling.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was ten eleven years old and I

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Speaker 2: did it for years. I wasn't too fond of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't because I was so used to the judo.

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Speaker 2: Now I wish I did it, but I started with wrestling.

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Speaker 2: It's an amazing sport. But I mean at that stage,

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Speaker 2: it was never for me to become a professional fight

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Speaker 2: or anything. It was an extra curricular activity.

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Speaker 1: For school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't have it in schools. It was just

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Speaker 2: my parents always encouraged us to do. We tried everything

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Speaker 2: to do as much as you possibly could. And then

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Speaker 2: I started with kickboxing at fourteen. K one kickboxing it

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Speaker 2: first time, completely different fighter. And if you like on

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Speaker 2: the ninth the third, the guy who's going to afford

431
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Speaker 2: out sign is as kicked against the Driguez that's going

432
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: to show up that night. I know that for a fact,

433
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: and the game plan is very important, but it's a fight.

434
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, you get a lot of people, and that's

435
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: one thing I have to give to Suckland. He is

436
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: always down to fight, I can. I know he doesn't

437
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 2: listen to these coaches. I know he is a radical,

438
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 2: so you know mentally when he gets frustrated, it's a

439
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: it's a nightmare for a coach, I would assume. But

440
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: he's always there to fight. And that's something you can't teach.

441
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: Because you can have all the systems in the world,

442
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: the best coach, the best team, the best technology, you

443
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: can have everything, the perfect game plan. At the end

444
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: of the day, it's a fight. If you gain bring

445
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: your game plan. I punch you in the mouth. You

446
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: bring your game plan. I just have a power. You

447
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: get tired. Now that fatigue will make a counter of

448
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: you very quickly. You forget about game plan very quickly

449
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: because you don't know what my game plan is. So

450
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: you can have this plan in your mind. Oh I

451
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: did this in this fight, this in this fight. Now,

452
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're feeling my strength, You're feeling

453
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: my presence in there. You're feeling the pressure that I

454
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: put on you. It's really hard if you have a

455
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: forward game plan and you're fighting a guy that's keeping

456
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: you on your back foot to implement your game plan.

457
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: You look like, I mean, I know your weight division,

458
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: but you don't. You look bigger than your weight division.

459
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: What are you walking around that normally.

460
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: Around one hundred and two one hundred and five kidograms.

461
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: Right, and so you've got to drop a fav bit

462
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: of weight, Yeah, to make weight.

463
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's me. Like I would say three weeks

464
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: after a fight, three four weeks after your fight, because

465
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: then you know you're training, You're eating whatever you didn't

466
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: eat in the last twelve weeks, eating whatever you want to,

467
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: drinking a lot of beer, and enjoying life a little

468
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: for that for that period because you have to. You

469
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: have to do that. You have to unwind. And also

470
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: you know, I love this sport more than anything, so

471
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: you have to also have that breaks. You can't just

472
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: be focused the whole time. It takes it away. You

473
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: need to go up and go down, go up and

474
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: go down. So yeah, when I'm when i'm yeah, i

475
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: can get to one o five easily. But when I'm

476
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: in good shape, and when I'm not in fight camp

477
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: but in good shape, training every day eating, I'm around

478
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and two kilos.

479
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: And so your plan then for in terms of making weight,

480
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: do you is there any residual sort of exhaustion as

481
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: a result of trying to make weight. I mean, like,

482
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: because hydration hydration UFC is a bit different boxing hydration

483
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: UFC is it's a big deal. You've got to be

484
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: probably hydrated. In other words, you know, you can't be

485
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah.

486
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: I mean you have to wake us. I mean, you

487
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: can be dehydrated as much as you want on waiting day.

488
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: It's about fight day, you know. You can you get

489
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: guys that you cut the weight. I mean you can

490
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: cut like if I had to go, I used to

491
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: fight at one seventy so seventy seven kilograms. This is

492
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: the exact same body.

493
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: Well that's the twenty three kilo drop.

494
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was waiting to say I fought there for

495
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: five years. The problem was when when you do that,

496
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: it's the rehydration process that's the most important. The last fight,

497
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: I thought that was just because as I grew, I

498
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: started twenty one at that weight. When I was twenty

499
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: five twenty six, you know, my body just became heavy

500
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: and bigger. So to make that weight, my body fat

501
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: was like three percent, which is possible, and I made

502
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: the weight, but every shot I would take feels like

503
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: somebody sitting with a baseball bat. Yeah, and that's I said, no,

504
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this anymore because

505
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to lose unnecessary fights. And it took the

506
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: joy out of the sport because my diet had I

507
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: had run one week off in terms of just diet,

508
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: and then I had just started dieting for the next

509
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: fight because I would go up from seventy seven, get

510
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: in the cage at around ninety two. A week later,

511
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred killos again. So then the hall process

512
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: starts all over and that's not healthy. Moved up to

513
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: middleweight the best decision I've ever made because now I

514
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: can have a life outside and when my camp starts,

515
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: I can do it. And it's about that reideration process.

516
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't help you make weight, but you can't perform

517
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: on fight night. You get bodyballers. They are allowed to

518
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: use like water stuff that you know, strike take the water.

519
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: We're not allowed to use any of that. You get

520
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: tested and at the end of the day, you stand

521
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: on a stage flexing, which is I mean, it's to

522
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: their own and it's a hard work to get that physique,

523
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: of course, but we need to get punished in the face.

524
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: You need to be able to perform for the timing.

525
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: It's I mean, you have to be able to perform

526
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: at the highest level on earth, you know, cardio wise

527
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: and muscle endurance, all of that. I mean, our whole

528
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: bodies consist of water. So if you your brain, I

529
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: mean the shots you take, so you have to take

530
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: all that in consideration when you're cutting this weight, and

531
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: do it in such a manner where it doesn't negatively

532
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: negatively affect your fights.

533
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Speaker 1: I see Conor McGregor the other day put up a

534
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: post I don't think that's actually sure where it was

535
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: probably on his own Instagram page, but I said that

536
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: he's not going to do He's not going to fight profiders,

537
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: He's going to go and start fighting YouTube. What do

538
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: you think about that concept?

539
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think where the man has had in his life.

540
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: I mean, Connor McGregor is you know, there's a lot

541
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: of controversy around the man one hundred percent. But I

542
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: did an interview a couple of months ago where I said,

543
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: whether you hate him or love him, you've got to

544
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: respect what the man has done and achieve in the sport.

545
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: People look at Connor McGregor now they're like, oh, he's

546
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: done well. If he has done, good on him. You know,

547
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: good on him, you know, because I've been a fan

548
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: of his for very long. When I was I was

549
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: still up and coming, when he's first Understeen or far

550
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: up and coming. I think my second fight in the

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: UFC was on the undercut of Connor and dusn't third

552
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: fight and before that when he was Understne, he just

553
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: he was. He almost changed the game in terms of mentality,

554
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: you know, bringing in mental warfare not only as saying

555
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: nasty shit. No, bringing in mental warfare is a tactic

556
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: practicing that mentality practicing. And I was twenty one when

557
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: that happened. So I immediately to you and said, this

558
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: is an area, especially locally where I was fighting at

559
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: that stage, when people don't even consider this. People just

560
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: go like two people are fighting, get in their node.

561
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: The means of aspect of this creates makes people crush

562
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: crushes people with both people. I see people in the

563
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: gym all the time, great fighters, world champion fighters can't

564
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: win a fight in front of people, or when the

565
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: lights are shining. He brought that to light. He may

566
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: change the game from we are fighters. When I started

567
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: this sport, I said, she's I hope I make enough

568
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: money so I can eat. But I don't need to eat.

569
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: I just need to be world champion. That's the only

570
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: thing I thought. And he changed the game to it

571
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be like that, And he made the

572
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: sport more famous than the sport itself worldwide. Everybody knows

573
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: Whoconomy is and if you love him or hate him,

574
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: he was an incredible fighter. He did what no man

575
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: before him could do. He beat Chosah although who was

576
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: my favorite all time fighter at that stage. He beat

577
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: the He was then bound for pound number one. He

578
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: beat him in thirty second, thirteen seconds knockout. Then goes

579
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: on becomes the first double division champion in an absolute

580
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: clinical display against Eddie Alvarez, and people forget about that

581
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: immediately now because it's been a while. The man sitting

582
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: on his yacht. Jeez, you know, it's it's kind of

583
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: easy to say yea and judge, but I think everybody's

584
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: kind of jealous of that. And yeah, I mean the

585
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: man's done some CONSCII or stuff. But that's a completely

586
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: different story as the econo McGregor, that's an athlete. You

587
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: have to give that man all the respect and thanks

588
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: our fighters because of what happened to this sport because

589
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 2: of him and the raising pay. It's as simple as that,

590
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: because of somebody like him who changed the narrative.

591
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, he did unbelievabletuff for you have see

592
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: so McGregor out up, they get who else are you?

593
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: You've been a student in this game for a long time.

594
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: Who's your you know your goat list?

595
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Goatless? That's a tough one. I mean, you can't ever

596
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Denis grade John Jones never ever, ever. I mean this

597
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: guy and I mean the Tom aspinall fight. Let me

598
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: tell you this, Tom Asperov met him. He's an incredible guy, awesome,

599
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: awesome man, so humble, nice, gentle giant until he gets

600
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: in there. Of course it's a fight I don't need

601
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: to see because the world wants to see this John

602
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: Jones because I love aspiral. I think he's a phenomenal.

603
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: He's in the heavyweight division. He has grappling, wrestling, incredible striking.

604
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: You don't see that with heavyweights. John Jones is years

605
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: ahead of everybody, especially at heavyweight, until Aspinall came along.

606
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw what he did with Sarahgan, and

607
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: now Aspinall is a young he's hungry. You have Jones

608
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: who is definitely at the end of his career. Watch

609
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 2: thirty eight years old. I don't need to see this

610
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: because he's never been beaten. So I don't need to

611
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: see John Jones fight Aspirnam because I don't want any

612
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: either one of them to lose. I want John Jones

613
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: to retire unbeaten. Of course he had that DQ for

614
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: twelve to six, which is now legal, but unbeaten and

615
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: the legend that he is, and I want him to retire.

616
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: And Aspronau goes on to be the next big thing,

617
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: but John Jones bring the warrior. That is, he says,

618
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: pay me enough and I'm doing it. Aspona wants it,

619
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: and one of them has to lose that fight. And

620
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: that's the one thing. If you look at it and

621
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: you go, Aspera is probably gonna win. But then if

622
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: you ask me that, I say, no, no, no. We've

623
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: said that so many times with John Jones, and it

624
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: makes it look easy. He is the greatest of all time,

625
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: for sure. You can't deny that. I want to now

626
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: this for now up until this date where fighting exists

627
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: is goat. And then of course Connor McGregor massive inspiration

628
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: for me in terms of how we changed the sport,

629
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: approached the sport. He was a great inspiration to when

630
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: I was young and how to approach it. The guy

631
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: that got me into the sport was Merco Crocop from

632
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: the K One Days, because that's how I started. He

633
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: was and he wasn't the UC, but he was already

634
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: forty years old then he was incredible. Anderson Solva was

635
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: the guy that the highlight reels that I obviously you've

636
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: seen me fighter doesn't look like Anderson Solver, but I

637
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: always tried, definitely failed, definitely failed like he was. He's

638
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: just made it look like a video game. So he's

639
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: one of the greats. And then one of my favorite fighters,

640
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: a guy that I've trained with, a guy that I know,

641
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: one of the nicest people as well, and he's also

642
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: down for anything as a guy a Gilbert Burns. I

643
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: think you know he had a loss against jack Manlena

644
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: in his last outing, but gil Burns is not a

645
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: young fighter anymore. Just in terms of the guys he

646
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: has beaten. If you look at the fight with Balo Muhammad,

647
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: who is a very dominant champion. What he won his

648
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: beout in dominant fashion, decision of course, and he located

649
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: the shoulder in the first round. Thought that fight too,

650
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: wasn't the easy fight. It just went but he couldn't

651
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: use it one on. He has the mentality of a champion.

652
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I've trained with him and how I see that is

653
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: just the work ethic of that man. When he's under

654
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: you get people to be present and be productive. Is

655
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: not the same thing. You can be at the gym

656
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: every day. You can be training every day, but are

657
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: you taking in and trying your best every day to

658
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: show up. It's not like it's great. It's good for

659
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: your weekend water to show up. If you want to

660
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: be the base in the world, conjure show up. You

661
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: have to show up. And that's one thing that I've

662
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: seen from him that's really inspiring. So he's one of

663
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: my favorite fighters too.

664
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: What's really interesting is the way you talk about your

665
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: favorite fighters. But what's it really interesting is the way

666
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: you positioned Jones, et cetera. It's newly like there's a

667
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: romantic I don't mean in a love your other sense,

668
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: but I mean like there's a romance associated with the

669
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: fight game, and for those people who you hold up

670
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: in such high esteem, it's like it's not just the entertainment,

671
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: not just the athleticism, not just the hardness, but there's

672
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: a romance in there. You absolutely love the game. Yeah,

673
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: would it be fair summation?

674
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I think when people ask me what advice I

675
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: would give any youngsters, and don't give them the advice

676
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: of work hard to make the sacrifices. They know that

677
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: you should know that by the time, and you'll figure

678
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: that out very quickly, and you can just google motivation

679
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: or YouTube and that's what they'll all tell you. You have

680
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: to love this more than anything that you do, because

681
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: people look at me now and actually listen to me now,

682
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: because I'm the champion of the world. Up until then,

683
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: you don't know what am I going to do after

684
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: discuss I spent my whole life. I didn't develop any

685
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: other skills in life. I didn't build up a CV.

686
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be hard to get a

687
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: job if you say, now, what do you do before

688
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: there's no fight people? Other than being a balance I guess.

689
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: If you don't make it, you don't make it. It's

690
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: only one way.

691
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: It's a lot of risk.

692
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: There's a lot of risk if and now you get

693
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: you I was very young when I started fighting professionally.

694
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: Some guys only get professionally twenty five. If you don't

695
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: get to the UC by thirty, you're getting in a

696
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: situation of okay, am I going to Because if you

697
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: don't get into a PFL at least an mma. I'm

698
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: talking about stam a PFL at least or the UC

699
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: and make it to the top, you have to know

700
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: that you're not going to be set. You're not going

701
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, you have after your career.

702
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 2: You have to have something to look after you. I'm

703
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: talking about and quickly, because if you don't make it,

704
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: you don't make it. It's all you make it or

705
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: you don't.

706
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: It's all or nothing.

707
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 2: It's all or nothing.

708
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: It's a huge risk.

709
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: It's only one way to find out, and that's to

710
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: go for it. If you go, I want to do this,

711
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: but I have to, you know, still make sure that

712
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: I'm taking care of some things. If this doesn't begut

713
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: you already lost it. You'll never make it can.

714
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: Actual question about southe because it's really important question for me.

715
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're Rememberinghi, But many years

716
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: ago I had quite a good relationship with a guy

717
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: called town Strauss, a repe union.

718
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: Guy Spremeboo, captain of the station and any capitiustraight he

719
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: come over here to live and any capustraighta.

720
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: But Tim work for you in another business because he

721
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: was a lawyer. But he told me that. And I

722
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: don't know what this is about South Africans, but he

723
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: told me that when he was a young man, and

724
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was all bullshit, but he said they

725
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: used to drive alongside I think he said Wildebeest or

726
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: something like that, and actually jump out of the back

727
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: of the jeep order was and try his father's to

728
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: gin and try and tackle it. There's something about South Africa,

729
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: the mindset that they're bloody, hard minded, tough minded people.

730
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: Now we've only just seen you here in the UFC.

731
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: There aren't a lot of South Africans in the UFC.

732
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: There's not even a lot of South African boxes even

733
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: out there at the moment that are known. But what

734
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: is it about South Africans it makes them so hard minded.

735
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: I mean people from South Africa. I'm talking about, not

736
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: the ones that live here, but the ones from South Africa.

737
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ones from South Africa, I think, especially what

738
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: you are talking about now, South Africans in general, English, Afrikaans.

739
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: We have eleven twelve official languages, so that's eleven twelve

740
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: different cultures. So in my culture has Afrikaans, South African.

741
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: You know, my dad is extremely tough. Hard work is

742
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: installed in us like you wouldn't believe. It's not like

743
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: I see sometimes I see, for example, a kid like

744
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: talking back to his parents, and I see the situation

745
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: and I go, and the parents go, you are going

746
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: to the naughty corner. I didn't get a naughty corner. No, no, no,

747
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: it's not how it works in our culture. You get

748
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: a naughty backhand. That's what you get. And you know,

749
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: it's about discipline. And there's a lot of love. My

750
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: parents love in my dad, my mom, they love me.

751
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: But I was brought up hard and right because not

752
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: a struggle. There's a lot of struggle. It wasn't a struggle. Now,

753
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: I grew up in an amazing family. It is hard

754
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: in a sense that you will show respect and you

755
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: will appreciate every single thing you have, no matter what

756
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: it is. I was rewarded for winning, and I was

757
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: told when I didn't do good enough that it wasn't

758
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: good enough. In the UFC when I for Derek Branson,

759
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: that's actually a funny story, I thought Derek Brunson and

760
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: it was a tough fight. No, you know, my Chodio.

761
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: It was a great camp, felt amazing, but it was

762
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: that first round was so intense. It was you know,

763
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: it was wrestling. It was full speed. Second round came out.

764
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: I was tired, he was tired, but I just kept

765
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: on pushing. And that's that minded you talked about. And

766
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: I got home at the airport and you know, I

767
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: just became number five in the world, the first South

768
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: African ever to even get close to a ranking. I

769
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: get home, we get in the car, so happy to

770
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: see my parents. They're so happy to see me, and

771
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: they go, jeez, so you still want to be world champion?

772
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: I said, well, yeah, it's my whole life is dedicated

773
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: this one. They go, not if you fight like that?

774
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: That was terrible and I'm almost I couldn't I couldn't

775
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: even fathom what was happening right now, said, excuse me,

776
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: I was right, number ten. I just became number five

777
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: in the world. Like, no, that's amazing, But you won't

778
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: be number Like it's number five what you want to achieve,

779
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: because like that, you're not achieving number one. Like number

780
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: five will be the highest achievement you'll get if that's

781
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: the way you want to do it. And I was

782
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: almost I couldn't believe I was studying like I am

783
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 2: right now. I couldn't believe it. And they said, listen,

784
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: we are so we couldn't be more proud. We are

785
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: just saying we're not saying you didn't work hard enough.

786
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: We're not saying you're not doing enough. We're saying there's

787
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: a change needed, some you need to do. You need

788
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: to find it. It's your career. You need to find

789
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: something for the next level, because like that, you won't

790
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: make it. I'm sorry.

791
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: So it would would a good description be tough love.

792
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: And I was angry at them. I was literally sitting

793
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: in a carr and I'm not saying a word. I

794
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: just got back for a month away from her, and

795
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: I then when started thinking about it, made the changes

796
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: that was needed. You know, the introspection, I was angry

797
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: first like and then in perspection processed it and I said, shit,

798
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: they were right. I need to make it made the

799
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: change in your AWM today. So that you know my

800
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 3: parents when I was younger, they were very hard on us,

801
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: but rightfully so, because we were naughty little shits, me

802
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: and my brother if maybe we would have been in

803
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: jail if it wasn't what they because I would be

804
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: more afraid of my parents finding out when I when

805
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: we were making shit than going to jail.

806
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: I was like, please please lock me up. If my

807
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: dad finds me or my mom, we're in big trouble.

808
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: And that taught us respect. It wasn't fear, it was respect.

809
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: And to this day, you know, my brothers, myself and

810
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: my parents, we are so close. We see each other

811
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: every week, you know, we and that's very rare these days.

812
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: You like, me and my brothers are best friends. Me

813
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: and my mom and dad and my brothers. We are

814
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: so close because we have that. And when you're younger,

815
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily understand why are they punishing me like this.

816
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: I never got grounded, no ways, that's not You go

817
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: to the farm and you work for a week, because

818
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: you don't have manners and that was it. You're rewarded

819
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: for hard work and you were punished with hard work.

820
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: I love that.

821
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: I think it's to me that's the best one before

822
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: suns that I had to do that, But I mean,

823
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: I love that type of process. I'm one quick last

824
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: question and I want to get wound up. Keep warning

825
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: because I know you've got a busy schedule. And by

826
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: the way, can I say it's a great privilege to

827
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: have you sitting here and I really appreciate it. I'm

828
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm meekly lucky to be able to interview Pereira next week.

829
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: What question would you want to ask him? Because I

830
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: don't know what to ask him? What would you ask him?

831
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: If how's it going to feel to be in Sean

832
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: Striegland's corner losing again? Ask him that I'll ask him that.

833
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it's from you. If you don't

834
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: know one day when we fight, you will be zero

835
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: and two really great, So really have to say. I

836
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: think when we talked about my goat list, ye, I

837
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: can't name him because he's a potential opponent, but doesn't

838
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: really matter, like it doesn't change me. Like I said,

839
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: you can be my friend, you can be the biggest asshole.

840
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: I will still kill you in there. It's a job

841
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: to be done. I think he is one of the

842
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 2: greatest combat athletes to ever live. He is a phenomenal

843
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: athlete to go in a short period of time from

844
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: a different sport and not just a difference, but kickboxing,

845
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: which is not a great base for MMA. It helps,

846
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: but if that's the only thing, you know, not a

847
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: great base, you know, if you want to go up

848
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: against these wrestling guys. He came in and just went

849
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: through everyone after being one of the greatest K one

850
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: keyboxes to ever live, I mean in multiple titles at

851
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: the highest level, comes in in a short period of

852
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: time and just becomes a two like became a middleway champion,

853
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: ghost lighte ever it becomes champion and being one of

854
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: the biggest names, always always ready to fight. The world's

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Speaker 2: respect for him as a fighter, I think, and you know,

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Speaker 2: as a person even I think we are rivals, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I have the utmost respect for what he

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Speaker 2: is achieved in the sport and he's truly one of

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Speaker 2: the goats to ever not do m m A or

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Speaker 2: the UFC in combat sports. I think probably the most

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Speaker 2: achieved combat sports athlete the worlds have we seen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dregs mate, good luck, Thank you really seriously