1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, the traditional 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: custodians of this land, and pay our respects to the elders, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: both past and present. 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: My name's Cam Daddo. 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm Ali Daddo. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: We've got a surprise for you today, our son. I'm 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: very excited to have him in. We've had Lolo in. 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was just me and her. This is 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: the first time that we've had the parentals with the child. 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: We've known him his whole life, yes, right, indeed we have. 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: I was was the first one to put my hands 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: on him. I remember I was the one lifting up 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: my T shirt that he was wrapped in when he 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: was born at home to see if River was indeed 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: a boy or a girl? Who's going to be River 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: either way? 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: In name? Wasn't he? 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that's right, do you I mean he 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: was on my chest and then yeah, then the T 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: shirt went over him. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we still didn't know at that point. 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: No, we didn't know for a It felt like a while, 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: probably in the skim of things, not that long. But 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: we were just madly in love with this perfectly round, 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: little chunky baby. 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: It was the most peaceful birth. It was a beautiful, 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: but it wasn't There. 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: Was nothing dramatic about it. Yeah, it was in the 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: bedroom in our house. There was a tub in the 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: bedroom that we had for you to birth him in 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: the tarban. 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: You ended up getting in there afterwards. Yeah. 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't feel right to have him in the 35 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 3: water like Lolo was. But yeah, it was a very 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: special experience. It was, and he was just Remember he 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: lifted his head up and just looked around and everyone 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: went look at him. 39 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: He's so aware and so strong to lift his head up. 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: That was kind of like it was like an et moment, 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: his big eyes and this head kind of going lifting 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: out of his shoulders. 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: And then I think you said, is he a boy 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: or a girl? And then you had had the first look. 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Definitely a boy, Definitely a boy. 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: We just thought we'd bring him in, have a chat 47 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: with him, and maybe you'll fall in love with him 48 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: as much as we love him as well. 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Let's welcome to the bathroom, our number one son, River 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: true daddo, Welcome to the bathroom. 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: Son. Thanks, you've just asked who dropped out, Well, it's 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: such short I mean you called me on what Tuesday 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: asking me to come on it, and I was like, well, 54 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: it's such short notice. So we did. We did. 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: We realized that Okay, so we've got we've had Lotus 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: has been in the bathroom, your big sister, your little 57 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: sister has said to me last night. 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: When am I coming said that to mom, I was like, 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: she's going to be pissed when she finds that she's 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: the last one. 61 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: She's going to be banging on the basket. 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: But this is how I grew up. There was you know, 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: you had to wait your turn, and it was oldest 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: to youngest. So I don't think body thinks that way. No, 65 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: she definitely doesn't think that way, and that's her superpower. 66 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: Actual Lexander, our producer that suggested with correct which we 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: thought was just a genius idea. We're like, yeah, as 68 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: of course. 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll get to the reasons why Xander was 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: interested in having you aside from being our only son, 71 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: our one and. 72 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: Only favorite son of all time, couldn't have said it better. 73 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: Our favorite river, our favorite sign. 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: And so this is your first time in a radio 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: studio podcast studio. Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean you used 76 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: to take me to the voiceover sessions in Los Angeles 77 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: when I was like a little little kid too. I 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: did too. 79 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, that was because they didn't they have 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: toys in the in the waiting. 81 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: They lollies. So Dad used to convince us, Yeah, with 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: the lullies, So come and hang out. 83 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: There was always other actors in there. Yes, we'd be 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: hanging out in a reception. 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: Nothing like some sugar to bribe at all. 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: Look, we might even get to that too, with the gymnastics. 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: Bribery, trauma, trauma. 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: We kind of easy. 89 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: Our ease our conversations into trauma rather than starting with trauma. 90 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: So it's probably a nice place to start. 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: It is. Hey, so you were born in America. 92 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: Your first I'm going to say sixteen years seventeen years 93 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: of your life were living in the United States. 94 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: Now you've moved to Australia. What was it. 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are curious about what's 96 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: it like to grow up in sunny southern California. 97 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: How was that for you? And going to school there 98 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: and you know there's Zoomer Beach in the valley dude, 99 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: and in and out Burger and all that sort of stuff. 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: How you're an American kid. Yeah, I feel like when 101 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: you're in it, you don't really think about it, like 102 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: that's just that's just normal. So it wasn't really until 103 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: I think when we really started to come to Australia 104 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: on holiway, like Christmas, summer break more, that you would 105 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: start to compare the lifestyles. And that was kind of 106 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: where I used to go, like hang on, I kind 107 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: of like I like the Australian lifestyle a lot better. 108 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: And that just kind of built up. And remember I 109 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: used to get so upset when we have to come home, Yes, 110 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: and it just like steadily got more and more to 111 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: the point where I'd be like crying when we when 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: the plane landed back in Los Angeles because I did 113 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: not want to be there that interesting. So yeah, I was. 114 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: I was really excited to move. 115 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: I know when Dad said it, you were just so 116 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: gung ho for it. I remember that, like out of 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: out of the rest of us, you were like, absolutely, 118 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: let's go. What is it like for I mean, you 119 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: said the lifestyle, but you know, not not necessarily to 120 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: compare the two, but what is it about Australia that 121 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: you love so much? 122 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: I don't I actually don't know. I think it's just 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: it's just I just like it. Yeah, it's just it's 124 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: so much nicer. It's probably because you've got you know, 125 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: all of our families here, but yeah, it's just it's 126 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: just a feeling that you get living here. Like I 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: go on holiday, like we'll go to Europe whatever and 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and I'm like excited to come home, 129 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: yeah because I know that I'm coming back to Australia. 130 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: I know that sounds like cringe or whatever, but like 131 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: it's that's just the way it is. Yeah, where I was, 132 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: I do not have any connection to America whatsoever. Yea, 133 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: and people from a passport, Yeah, aside from a passport, 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: but like yeah, people are always like do you miss it? 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: Do you ever want to go back? And I'm like, no, 136 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: would you ever work over there? 137 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: No? 138 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: Like I went on a whare I went over there 139 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: in May and went into my office office space in Irvine, 140 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: and the people they were like, would you ever come 141 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: back here? And I was like no, probably not. Yeah, 142 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: no I don't really want to, but oh yeah, And 143 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: then it's it's just yeah, it's just a feeling. I 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: just I don't I wouldn't want to live anywhere else 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: right now. 146 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, that's a fair call. And you've 147 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 3: also the way, the way to your heart has always 148 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: been through your tummy. 149 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: You love. 150 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: I don't know anyone who loves their food more than 151 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: riv and from a tiny baby, tiny baby, you were 152 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: just food driven in such a great way. They hate everything, 153 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: everything we put in front of him. He was like 154 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: that was his joy. And I know that's been a 155 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: big thing as well, hasn't it the food here you 156 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 3: really enjoyed. 157 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, although there are some like the snacks in America, 158 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: and you can't compare the variety. Like when we were 159 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: there earlier this year. We walked into like Walmart and 160 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: it was just like the aisles and aisles of just 161 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: variety that you could get there. And I was quite excited. 162 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: Did you get those fire bomb cheetos that you like? 163 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Those red? 164 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: No? 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: I got gold I got my goldfish got goldfish crackers. Yes. Yeah, 166 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: Well that was a big. 167 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Part of your growing up too, I mean your infancy 168 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: was there was it was goldfish that So I'll put 169 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: you in your stroller, put a blanket over the top, 170 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: make it make a hole between your legs. There and 171 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: fill the hole with goldfish. Yeah, and that's how we 172 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: used to walk around. 173 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: The neighborhood as Larry. Yeah. Well remember the shrimp. You 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't remember the shrimp the shrimp, but I know this story. 175 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, shrimp gate, shrimp slash prawn. 176 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you choked on it, and luckily I managed 177 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,479 Speaker 1: to have a meeting have lunch with paramedics that day. 178 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 3: It was the day before or was. 179 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: The day before, that's right, and they told me how 180 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: to clear a child's wind pipe if they're choking. And 181 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: the best thing about that story is as the shrimp 182 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: flew across the table into Lotus's lap, you were looking 183 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: for another one. 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I lost that one, that one. 185 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: Would you eat me on the back floor? Put another 186 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: shrimp in my mouth? 187 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: The best, the best sub Moving to Australia, moving with 188 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: the Dado last name. Obviously you've got your uncles who've 189 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: been in the industry as well. Was that how well, 190 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: how was that for you when you when you mentioned 191 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: the Dado name, Was it sort of like what are you? 192 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 3: Which son are you? And who do you belong to? 193 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: And was that ever a weird experience for you? Having 194 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: been in America where both of us were unknowns. 195 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean you guys know, you guys told 196 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: us to expect it before we moved. You were like, 197 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: this is probably gonna happen. Yeah, but it did. It doesn't. 198 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen a lot. Yeah, sorry, hence the letters. Try, Cameron, 199 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: I think, like, you know, you'd. 200 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 3: Be oh my god, it would happen. 201 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's maybe happened. It happened a few times, 202 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: but it definitely has happened. 203 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: This is not making me feel bad, but mom feel bad. 204 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: She didn't care. You're not making me feel bad. 205 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's you know what. You know. Where I've found 206 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: it the most is when I've had like job interviews 207 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: and I've gotten the job, and like later on within 208 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: my in my first week, like I'll have like at 209 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: my first at my first job, one of the one 210 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: of the women and who had interviewed me for the job, 211 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: and then within the first week she came up to 212 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: me and she was like, oh my god, I know 213 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: who your parents are. She's like, I listened to your 214 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: mum's podcast and that kind of thing. And she was 215 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: and my boss was like, yes, he was, like she 216 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: she said that to everyone, and I made sure that 217 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: she did not bring it up in your job interview, 218 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: so it will happen sometimes like that. 219 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: Do you often get asked then are you interested in acting? 220 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: Are you going into the entertainment industry? 221 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: Do you ever get not? Really Sometimes they'll be like, yeah, 222 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: are you going to? Do you want to? And I've 223 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: always said no because I've seen the way that what 224 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: it's done with you guys, and it's it's I, you know, 225 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: I'm someone wants that stability in my life, especially from 226 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: like from a work perspective and a financial perspective. Yeah, 227 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: and I've seen how hard it is, and I don't 228 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: want to do that. So I would rather have, you know, 229 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: work a normal job and have that financial stability because 230 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: it's something that I need. So what what have what 231 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: did you see? What have you seen? Well, I, you know, 232 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: especially living in America, when I saw you know, you 233 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: guys really really struggling. I didn't really understand what it 234 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: was what that was at the time, but you know, 235 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: we've obviously we've talked about it since then, and I've 236 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: I know what that was, what that came from, and 237 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and I you know, you've you've 238 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: since told us how hard you were working and what 239 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: you were doing because your work was just it just 240 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: wasn't there. And yeah, transparently, I do not want that. 241 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah it's awesome. Yeah it's smart, it's smart. We get 242 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: asked constantly. Are your kids interested in the entertainment industry? 243 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: We get asked that all the time, don't you. 244 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I do, and I have, And I said if they, 245 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: if they chose to do it, they would all work. 246 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: They would like your singing voice. 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: I know you haven't allowed it to get out of 248 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: the bathroom, but when you did, used to sing in 249 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: the shower and stuff like that. 250 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: You've got a beautiful singing voice. 251 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, I was if any three of you wanted 252 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: to pursue a career at the time, no problem. 253 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 254 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: They've also they've all seen the unglamorous side of it 255 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: for sure. 256 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: You saw us go through our through challenges and difficulties 257 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: over there, and you saw us make use of professional 258 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: mental health care through therapists and things like that. 259 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: And here you are. You've chosen a career in psychology. Yeah, 260 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: I studied psychology. Yeah yeah. 261 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: And is that because you're interested in people's welfare? 262 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so, But I think I think I 263 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: you know, I liked I liked talking, I like dealing 264 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: with people, like I like to talk to people as 265 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: much as sometimes I I may not seem to like 266 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: want to talk to you guys. 267 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: But that's a completely understandable It's not the family, that's 268 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: not true. 269 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just something that I that I 270 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: had in the back of my mind that I was like, 271 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: why don't I do it? You guys know, I took 272 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: a break between high school and UNI, and I'd like, 273 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: I didn't really know what I wanted to do, and 274 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: I'd enrolled in a couple of things and then didn't 275 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: want to do it. I remember I wanted. I remember Dad, 276 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: we were driving along military road back home and I 277 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: was said, I think I think maybe I want to 278 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: be a teacher, and you said, you go, well, the 279 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: lifestyle that you want is not attainable on a teacher salary, 280 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: So I would I would maybe rethink that one. 281 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: So many ideas are many ways to teach you and 282 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: your human resources career can do. 283 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: A lot of teaching. 284 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, let's just put some context around that too. In 285 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: terms of you, I mean, you've always loved the finer things, 286 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: You've always wanted for sure. 287 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were totally right, like you were. That's why 288 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: I didn't do it. Yeah. 289 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, You've got your older sister who likes to live 290 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,479 Speaker 3: off white. 291 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: Rice and peanut butter and peanut butter. 292 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: Like that's it, and wants to live in a bus 293 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: and has no career aspirations really, and then you are 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: so far from that that has And again you've always 295 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: been from a little kid when we would go to 296 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: a store, you would find the most expensive this, that 297 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: or the other, because you knew quality at an early age. 298 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: And that's not changed for you either, which I think 299 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: is awesome. 300 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: No quality over quantity you got. 301 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: You've taught me that. 302 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you've really taught and you're slowly you're 303 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: slowly catching on. How's the quantity going? How's that going? 304 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: How many? How many dresses are you to? 305 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: Now? It's not about the quantity, honey, It's about the quality. 306 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: The sun tells me. 307 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: All I'm saying is like you spend, you spend the 308 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: big bucks on one thing and that thing last forever. Yeah, 309 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: like pants. I was talking to him about cooking pants. 310 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: I was like, stop buying the cheap nonstick pants because 311 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: they will you lose their nonstick and you've got to 312 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: chuck them out. Buy a nice cast iceless steel pan 313 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: and you'll have it forever. 314 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: I remember when you came home from your first trip 315 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: to Europe with the leather backpack. 316 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: I was going to say, the leather backpack has to be. 317 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: But I remember when you came came home with that. 318 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: You particularly Honey, were like you spent how much money 319 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: on a backpack? 320 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, but the thing was, I had patience with it. 321 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: I was I couldn't believe how much you spent on 322 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: a backpack. For one however, when I was in university, 323 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: a leather salesman came. My three weeks at university, the 324 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: a leather person came and was selling things out of 325 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: the trunk of their car, and one of them was 326 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: a leather. 327 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 2: Duffel bag, which I bought for eighty bucks, and. 328 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: I bought it home and I showed Mum and Dad, 329 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: and Mum was like, you spent how much on that? 330 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: And I'm like, eighty bucks. Where do you get eighty 331 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: dollars from her? How do you know it's crazy? Well, 332 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: I've still got that bag forty years later. Forty white. 333 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: My mass is terrible, but I still have the leather bag, 334 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: and so I thought, oll, that's what Rip's going to do. 335 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: You'll still have that leather backpack. And since you were young, 336 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: you've always been authentic. You've always walked to the beat 337 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: of your own drum. You've shown me and just through 338 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: being you, some great. 339 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: Lessons in who you are. You've been really true to yourself. 340 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: And it started for me when you were about I 341 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: don't know, as soon as you could walk. Really, you 342 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: like the look of Mum's high heel shoes and you 343 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: always got people to walk and then you sparkles and 344 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: your dresses and things like that, and it was always 345 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: you were like, yeap, just just do it. And then 346 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: I came you. Do you remember when I came out 347 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: in a dress. 348 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Mum's nightgown, lady. Yeah, when the scenes 349 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: were splitting down the side and you were like, dadda, 350 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: what are you doing? 351 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I've I've been watching you'd wear 352 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: a dress, so I thought I'd better try one. 353 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: It's really comfy. 354 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you and Lola were in the bath, weren't you. 355 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: And it didn't it really, it didn't. It didn't Land, 356 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 2: I think as well as Dad wanted it to, because 357 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: I think we were just more confused than anything. 358 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: Loves tells the story. You might remember too. Lola tells 359 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: it and I remember the sound of the ripping of 360 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: the seeds. 361 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: Is Dad, Yes, talk about over stuffing a sausage. 362 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 3: You gave it a good shot. 363 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Was there another time that I bought the pink and 364 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: black one from the op shop, the hourglass one, because 365 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: that's the one I was thinking about. 366 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm not really having much of a memory about me. 367 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: Months, but there was a pink and black dress that 368 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: I that I put on once and you were like, dude, 369 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: duded me, and so what are you doing? 370 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, you know, it's just and it was. 371 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: I guess it was my way of wanting to support 372 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: who you were, because I also remember throwing a ball 373 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: towards you at one point, going here, catch this and 374 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: you just hit you on the chest and you burst 375 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: into tears and like, what are you throwing that at me? 376 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: For? 377 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: I got to find another way with you, you know, to 378 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: that's finding your interests. And it took me a while 379 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: to sort that, sort that out. So here you were, 380 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: as a young a young boy wanting to wear dresses. Halloween, 381 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: you dressed up as princesses, and we might talk about 382 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: a moment which was hugely teachable for me in your 383 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: school playground and delivering you to school in your princess dress. 384 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: But so it wasn't whether you were gay, straight, or 385 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: or any of those sort of things. 386 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: At what point. 387 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: Did you realize that you were gay? Because it wasn't 388 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: It could have gone anyway. 389 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: At that point about dresses that made him gay or 390 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: may not made him gay. But yeah, that wasn't the 391 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: clue or anything. 392 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't actually remember, like there's never like 393 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: a penny drop moment for me, Like I can't ever 394 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: remember being like, oh, yeah, that's it, that's that's what like, 395 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. But like, yeah it was, It's just 396 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 2: like this. It was just like a weird gradual progression 397 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: where I was like and do I liked it? 398 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Maybe? 399 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: And then I was like okay, And then I think 400 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: probably like the transition between year like year eight and 401 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: year nine is when it was like, yeah, I not 402 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: not into girls at all. 403 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And did you find yourself were you attracted to 404 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: a guy? And is that or you just knew you 405 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: were no two girls. 406 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: I just knew I didn't really like, I wasn't attracted 407 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: to women at all. Yeah, yeah, like there wasn't. There 408 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: wasn't any men that I would see like obviously, yeah, 409 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: you see them on the street and you're like, oh, 410 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: that's a good looking guy. But it's never like that. 411 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: I can't remember a singular guy that was like gay 412 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: awakening that kind of thing. 413 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: Gay awakening. Oh, I've not heard that time. Have there 414 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: been any challenges that you have faced since then with 415 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: your sexuality? 416 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I was. I feel like 417 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: I got super super lucky, like there was never you know, 418 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: my friend, I feel like all my friends in America 419 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 2: at least knew well before I did that I didn't 420 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: like girls. And I think that's why they they were. Yeah, 421 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: I think back, and I'm like, I was having sleepovers 422 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: with girls when I was like what eight or nine, Yes, 423 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: like my best friend from like two years old, Like, 424 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: they're all females, so and I think their parents obviously 425 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: were like, Okay, this is clearly there's no no issues 426 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: here whatsoever. And I remember one of my best friends 427 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: actually she was having Sophia. I was having it was 428 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: you know how she used to have her big summer 429 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: birthday party in August, and I remember one year we 430 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: usually what would happen is like boys would go home 431 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: and the girls would get to sleep over. And I 432 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: remember Kathy Kat Sophia's mum, pulled me aside and she 433 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: was like, do you want to sleep over? Do you 434 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: want to spend the night? Yeah? And I was like, yeah, 435 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: I want to spend the night. And it was so 436 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: much fun because like that was I was like got 437 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: to say and I was like the only guy that 438 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: was there, and it was that was before I came out, 439 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: so it was like everyone knew, Like it wasn't a 440 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: shock to anyone. Yeah, yeah, and high school was yeah, 441 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: high school was fine. And yeah, there was no no. 442 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: I never had anyone outwardly say anything to me, not 443 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: even not even in not even here, not even in Australia. 444 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: Like it was very easy. I think I just got lucky. 445 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: There was that moment, as I alluded to before, in 446 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the playground, you across the playground. 447 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 2: To deliver you to class. You were probably in about 448 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: maybe second or third grade. 449 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: At school, and you were dressed as Rapunzel in this 450 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: resplendent sort of a white gown and blonde hair, and 451 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: you and I was holding your hand and you had 452 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: your lunch pale and we're walking across and then that 453 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: boy called out from a second you're dressed like that girl. 454 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: And I remember feeling this fury and as I grabbed. 455 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: You and and I looked at you, and you and 456 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: you just looked up and just cut you stopped for 457 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: a second to see who it was. And then it 458 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: was like you've raised your hand or your wand and 459 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: just went like that and kept walking. It didn't it 460 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: seemed to roll. It just didn't seem to hit you 461 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: at alls, like yeah, but he was dressed. 462 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: As a girl. 463 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, so, but it was such a it 464 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: was a moment high. 465 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: Well the guy wasn't saying it as a compliment, It 466 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: was right. 467 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: That was a tone. 468 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: There was a definite tone. 469 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: That eight year old had a tone to his voice. 470 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's older than that. 471 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: He was like a sixth grader should have known better 472 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: yelling at a little kid walking through the thing. And 473 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm still mad at him now, But it was the 474 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: way you took it, and it was who you were, 475 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: and I just thought, you know, and I looked at 476 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: it and walked away and just went, Wow, he's what 477 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: a kid. You know, He's just doing He's just doing 478 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: what he does. So you said between eight and nine 479 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: that you kind of had that recognition with yourself that 480 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: you weren't into girls. It took a little while longer 481 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: than that for you to come out. Yeah, and when 482 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: you came out to us, there were a lot of 483 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: tears for you. 484 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: I didn't you asked me, Yeah, you asked me. 485 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So how was that for you that moment although 486 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: that leading up to that, and how was it through 487 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: that and how did you feel once. 488 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: The cat was out of the bags? Weird? It was 489 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: weird because I felt like, you have like this and 490 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't even that like I didn't think you guys 491 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: were going to accept it or anything like that. It 492 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: just I just didn't feel like ready, Like I was like, 493 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: I don't really want I don't know how to have 494 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: this conversation. Yeah, I don't know how to like initiate it. 495 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: I think. So probably it was a good thing that 496 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: you guys did ask because it probably would have taken 497 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: a lot longer for me to say anything anyways, But yeah, 498 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: I know that day was that was a crap day. 499 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: That was a bad day because yeah, I remember I'd like, 500 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: you didn't like the group of friends that I was with. 501 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: They knew i'd come out to them, and then you 502 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: guys I had. They'd set me up on the apps 503 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: and then I remember that the apps was connected to 504 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: my old iPad that I'd given to Body, and Body 505 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 2: was getting messages and it was just like it was. 506 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: It was. It was a messy, messy days. I remember 507 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: I was supposed to have dinner with those group of 508 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: friends and I we were on a walking down the 509 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: street and Dad's car pulls up when I was like, oh, 510 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: I was like, Dad, you're early, and he's like, no, 511 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: I'm here to pick you up. Yeah, silence on the 512 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: way home. And then it wasn't until later on that 513 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: you kind of said that you knew everything and asked me, 514 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: and yeah, I remember crying. I think I said sorry. 515 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: I said sorry to you guys. I apologize. So that 516 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 2: was probably, Yeah, a little bit of shame hidden down 517 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: in there for sure, Yeah, because I don't know why 518 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: else I would have apologized for it. But you feel 519 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: you feel so much better once you once you actually 520 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: come out. 521 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there was so much around that time, Like, 522 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: there was a lot of there was a lot of 523 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: hiding of other things that was happening. Yeah, so we 524 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: were really like, what is happening yeah to rib like 525 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 3: and it was yeah, that group of friends that were 526 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: kind of a new group of friends were just getting 527 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: into some stuff that was really illegal and like not great, 528 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: and that was what we were concerned with. And then 529 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 3: that question just came out, and it was heartbreaking to 530 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: hear your apology. It still breaks my heart that there 531 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: was that you still that you felt the need to 532 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: say sorry, because that was something that I felt like 533 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: I'd really wanted you to know that, And even just 534 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: the fact that we asked you, Like some days I 535 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 3: just go there was no need to come out, There's 536 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: no need to ask the question, you know. We just 537 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: wondered if there was something connected to that that was 538 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: causing the distress in your life, because you hadn't sort 539 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: of said, look, yeah I am gay. So that was 540 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 3: why that question came out the way it did. But 541 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: I know, like I feel like a lot of things 542 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 3: changed after that. I feel like it did kind of 543 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: relieve break the tension. You sort of got back with 544 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: your old friends and sort of Yeah, there was like 545 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: this sort of ease after from our perspective anyway. 546 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, for sure, I think that that 547 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: definitely happened. Yeah. Yeah. When I told you, you were like, oh, 548 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: we've known since you were two. Yeah, yeah, that was 549 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 2: that was what I Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well when we 550 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: thought we knew. For me, there was a question then. 551 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: I you know, I've tried so hard to get you 552 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: into buraking for the Motive Bombers and be part of 553 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: footy and stuff, and to find ways to connect with you, 554 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: and whether that be as we've you know, cooking or 555 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: the doll dressmaking or whatever it was that all those 556 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: things that you were you were into and the question 557 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I would say, I wonder if he's her gay? 558 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: Is he not going al? 559 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: And I Mum and I would talk about it, and 560 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: then it became it doesn't matter, does it matter if 561 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: he is or not? 562 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: And then I remember Lotus came to me, probably maybe 563 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: a year or so before you'd finally come out, and 564 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: she said, Dad, well she goes he's not gay. 565 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh, he's not gay. And I said, what do you 566 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: mean he's not gay? She said, well, he. 567 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: Left his diary you know, in my room, and I 568 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: read it, and the stuff that he's writing about that, 569 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: he's not good. She read it. She was young too, well, 570 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: she knew better than to read someone's diary. Well wherever 571 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: it will just say she knew about her. I'm going 572 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: to text her after that. 573 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: That's true. You better talking to her about that. 574 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: I am true, I am sure about it. But she said, 575 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: maybe maybe you didn't read that. She just said what 576 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: I read what he wrote about so and so? 577 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Huh, and whether it was maybe I'm elaborating on the 578 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: diary issue. 579 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: She's still a sneak. But that's fine. 580 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: As I said earlier, you know, you've been wearing high 581 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: heels and dresses since you could walk and dress yourself, 582 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: aside from wearing T shirts back to front and inside 583 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: out with no tags and any labeling them for a 584 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: number of years. Are you still doing things like that? 585 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: Do you still have any kind of dressing ticks that like, you. 586 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: Know, I've had. I've had to get over them. I 587 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: know I had, like I had a lot of sensory 588 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 2: issues as a child, especially with clothes, Like I didn't 589 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: like tags every Like I could not have a T 590 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: shirt with like a tag on it. It had to be 591 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: a print like printed on the fabric. YEP, I didn't 592 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: like busy colors. Busy colors all buttons, which I yeah, buttons. 593 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: I've had to get over buttons, Like I'm fine with 594 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: the buttons now. I think majority of my clothes have 595 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: buttons button down. Yeah, but you know, I definitely had issues. 596 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: But I think that just you just you grow out 597 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 2: of it. 598 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: Is there anything about the experience of of of sort 599 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: of being gay or whatever that has looked like for 600 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: you and coming out that you wish you had have 601 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: done differently or you had have known earlier that would 602 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: have helped you in some way. 603 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think it happened the 604 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: way it happened, and like, oh, I don't. I don't 605 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: see any reason why I would want to change it 606 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: that way. Like it doesn't. I don't look back on 607 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: it and go, oh, I wish I'd done that sooner, 608 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: or I wish I'd done it on my own, you know, 609 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: on my own accord, that kind of thing. I don't really, 610 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: it's just not something that I think about anymore at all. Like, yeah, 611 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: it is what it is. I think it's been. It's 612 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: so normal now, Like no, one. No one really comes 613 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: out anymore. 614 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 3: Really, Like, that's right. 615 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: It's just this, It's just a normal thing that people 616 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: people do. 617 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: You have always had a great perspective on life, and 618 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to be a dad to 619 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: see how you go about being a father. Is there 620 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: anything that we can avoid? Well, this is for parents 621 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: of teenagers. Anything that we can avoid saying or doing 622 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: to our teens that might unintentionally hurt or alienate them. 623 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Is there is there things that we can pay attention 624 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: to as parents with kids with teenagers. You've always had 625 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: a great perspective on how to. 626 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: Speak to people. And you see truth. I mean, your 627 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: middle name is True, and that, to me is exactly 628 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: who you are. You've always river true, You've always. 629 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Taken the path of least resistance, and you see the truth. 630 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I think just let them do their thing. 631 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: Just don't push within reason obviously, Like there's times where 632 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: you guys have had to corral all three of us 633 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: at some points and we've started to kind of go 634 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: down that are not the best. But I think just yeah, 635 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: just let them, just let them figure it out on 636 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: their own, because they like everyone does. Yeah, Yeah, some 637 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: people just take longer to do it. It is what 638 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: it is, like, just don't push it, I think, don't 639 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: try and force it, because it's just not going to 640 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: end up well. 641 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 3: Like the river you even when you like it wasn't 642 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: long after you know, you came out. I know i'd 643 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 3: so keep on cringing slightly at that time, but you 644 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: were very clear that you wanted still want it to 645 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 3: be a dad and you knew that it was going 646 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: to be like, yep, we'll do a child from me 647 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 3: and a child from my husband. And what is it 648 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: about being a father that you're looking forward to? 649 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: I think doing things the way I want to do 650 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: it as the dad. Yeah, I think what would you do? Robert? You? 651 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: I can't think of anything you know extremely differently that 652 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 2: you guys would have done that. I go, absolutely not. 653 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: But in it, like I think, yeah, just getting to 654 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: getting to shape a person is something that you know, 655 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: it's an exciting idea. Like I think, yeah, I think 656 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: that's it. That's pretty cool. 657 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, from out from your childhood, is there any favorite 658 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: family traditions that you look back on fondly? 659 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 2: I feel like we don't have. I mean I think 660 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 2: we were. I feel like we're quite a non traditional 661 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: family in a lot of ways. Yeah, I think so. 662 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: But I think I think we have like the things 663 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 2: that we do every year, like you know, Christmas time, 664 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: I think is a great one, Like we're always we're 665 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: usually always together on Christmas and you do your your 666 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 2: big Mumma's breakfast and that kind of thing. That's always 667 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: a fun one. But I think there was a the 668 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: tradition that died, thankfully, was your Nutcracker tradition where you 669 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: would take us to the Nutcracker every single Christmas. I'm 670 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: with you on that one. I think the last one. 671 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: The last one we left, I think halfway through and 672 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: we walked past the bout like the main the main 673 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: Ballerina's mother as we left, and she was not happy. 674 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: I know, wait, do you have kids, I'll start the tradition. 675 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 3: Don't worry. What's the I know this is a weird question, 676 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: but I love it. What's the strangest thing that you 677 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: believed as a child. 678 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: That sex was cake? Wait? 679 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 3: What? 680 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: Yes? I used to think that sex was like a 681 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 2: kate was cake. We need to talk. 682 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 3: So when people said, oh I had great sex, you 683 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: thought people were. 684 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: I thought it was like kind of yeah, food well, 685 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 2: some people would. I think some people would actually into 686 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: it was just like you. I didn't. I didn't like 687 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: have a that was like very a very very young. 688 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 2: And then it was explained to me probably I think 689 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 2: eight or nine. Probably, I think, yeah, I probably got 690 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 2: a better idea of what it actually was. So you 691 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: can have your cake and eat it. 692 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 3: I mean, imagine if you had to come home and said, mom, 693 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: can I have some sex? Yeah, We'll be like what, like, 694 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 3: can you. 695 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: Make some sense? 696 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 3: There were so many things that could have happened there 697 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 3: with oh wow. 698 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I'm wondering if that's a parental thing or 699 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: did that come But you became so good at making cake, yes, 700 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 2: and your horseshoe pastry and sour. 701 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 3: Dough yeah, I mean, wow, it's a baker. 702 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: You are a baker. You you like your sex a lot. 703 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 3: My god, we did actually think for a long time 704 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 3: you were going to be a baker. That would be 705 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 3: your profession, Like yes today yeah, because you're so so 706 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 3: naturally good at it. Hey, Dad and I have since 707 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: we've come back to Australia and started the podcast. 708 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: Podcast it's a bit stinky sometimes, Let's face it, this 709 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: one's not this is great. 710 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 3: Great stuff. Haven't since we've started so much cake, since 711 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: we've started this podcast. You know, Dad and I have 712 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: been very open about our relationship and lives and what 713 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 3: have you. How has that been for you? Has that 714 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: been in any way challenging? 715 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 2: No, because I don't try. I try not to actually 716 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 2: listen to a lot of it. Yeah, because it's just 717 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: something that I don't I don't think I need to 718 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: know every single detail, and I don't want to know 719 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 2: every single detail. I think it's like sometimes you guys 720 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: have tried to, you know, if if something is coming out, 721 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 2: you know, a book or or an article or something 722 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 2: that you may know is has something that I don't 723 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: know yet. I know that you guys have in the 724 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: past sat me down and said, hey, this is coming 725 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 2: This is just a heads up, which is always severely 726 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: uncomfortable for me, and I don't like to hear it. 727 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: What about when I hit you up for the with 728 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: my book that's coming out and the bit. 729 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: Back, Well, yeah, if that because that concerns me, that's right. 730 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 2: If it's just about you or something that's happened in 731 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: your personal life that it's unlike I. You know, that 732 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: is something that I don't need to know, but I 733 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 2: get why you guys have done it because you don't 734 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 2: want me to find out through through other ways. Because 735 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: I know that stuff has been published in the past 736 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: where you know it has you know, been a bit 737 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 2: of a blind side too, at least Lolo and I 738 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: because we've we've read it and we've heard it and 739 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But yeah, it's not not one of 740 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: not my favorite. 741 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it fair enough. 742 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: I get it fair enough. 743 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, we do a thing called the the two 744 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: minute shower. 745 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: Do you know about this? No, remember, he doesn't list 746 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to. 747 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: Sit you down and talk to you about this, and 748 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: this is going to be really cringey, really cringey roofs. 749 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 3: That's short. 750 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 2: It's a very short, very short. You know how much 751 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 2: you like your showers. It's steal fourteen towels and collecting 752 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: in your room. 753 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: How are you dealing with that now now that you're 754 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: out of the house and you don't have fourteen towels 755 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: or maybe you do to choose from. 756 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: We have a lot of towels. Do you have a 757 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: lot of towels because we steal them from the gym. 758 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 3: We're not gonna name me the gym Nodas. Yeah, that's 759 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 3: always known for Like father, like son. 760 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: Let's go. 761 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: If you could relive, you have to spend a lot 762 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: of time on these answers. 763 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: If you could relive one day, what would it be? 764 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 2: Probably a day that I had in Europe in summer. 765 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 2: Nice posit beat the beach club. 766 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. What the world needs more of is. 767 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: Lightheartedness. People are far too serious. They take things way 768 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 2: too seriously. Yeah, get over it. 769 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 3: Yep to you. 770 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 2: It's so good, Thanks so much for coming in. 771 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 3: Ok. 772 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: We spoke to We spoke to Richard Wilkins and Christian 773 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: his son the other day and it was so it 774 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: was so lovely watching a father and a son just 775 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: hanging out, and I got to say I felt like 776 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: that with you today. 777 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 2: It's really nice. 778 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: And mum's been here too, so that's been she's been around. 779 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: Is there? 780 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: And is there any way that I can sway you 781 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: to barracking for Essendon? We need another supporter? No, no, 782 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to finish this on a no. 783 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 2: Will you come for dinner on Sunday night? Yeah? Sure? 784 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 3: Y love that. 785 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for v Thanks so much for coming, honey, that's okay. 786 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 787 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 3: Thanks your time, so we have. 788 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: Right. 789 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 3: Rev's left the bathroom. He's a funny dude. 790 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 2: He's a funny dude. I love him. He's a pretty 791 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 2: straight shooter, isn't he. 792 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 3: He's such a straight shooter, like like like no nonsense 793 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 3: until he until he's not, and then he's as funny 794 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 3: as hell. He's given us some big old laughs in 795 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 3: our in our time. 796 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good fellow, and he's brave and kind. Yes, 797 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: And I'm proud of our number one son, number one son. 798 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 3: All right, Well, we hope that you've enjoyed getting to 799 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 3: know our number one son a little bit more. We've 800 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 3: learned a few things about it ourselves. 801 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: Indeed, I'm thinking about food now more whole different ways. 802 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 803 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for listening.