Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, All good evening or good afternoon, wherever
Speaker 1: you are. Patrick James Bonello is here, Tiffany and called
Speaker 1: Craig Anthony Harper. You Project is the show every week
Speaker 1: or thereabouts every fortnight. Let's be honest, we get together
Speaker 1: and we talk about all things technology. Today is no exception.
Speaker 1: And let me say when I say we talk all
Speaker 1: things tech and kind of kind of sometimes we talk
Speaker 1: about dix and lunch and fucking relationships. So it's under
Speaker 1: the banner of technology. How much of that you'll get,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And neither of the two others on
Speaker 1: the show. Speaking of the others, Tiffany will start with
Speaker 1: you because you're the frustrated lady who said just before
Speaker 1: you wish you were born a boy. Let's unpack that
Speaker 1: a little bit, because Patrick wishes he was born a girl.
Speaker 1: So fucking what are the odds? Ah, why do you
Speaker 1: wish you were born a boy?
Speaker 2: I just do all the girl stuff.
Speaker 3: I just washed my hair today and straightened it.
Speaker 2: And you know it's hard work. It's not of work.
Speaker 2: Nothing works out right, which are.
Speaker 3: Just roll out of bed like you hot blokes, You
Speaker 3: just roll out of bed, you fucking rub you rub
Speaker 3: your head like you were just then. You just scratch
Speaker 3: your head and you're ready to go out the door
Speaker 3: where you go look amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Fuck it's hard. It's been both a
Speaker 1: blessing and a curse being as hot as me because
Speaker 1: I get stopped everywhere. Oh you're fucking staggering. I'm like,
Speaker 1: aren't I?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, roll out of bed, scratch my head, scratch my nuts,
Speaker 1: clean my teeth. Boom done, beauty, regimeme done, on with
Speaker 1: the day. You don't really like if you could go
Speaker 1: back in time and be a boy or a girl.
Speaker 1: You choose a girl, though, you just be a tomboy, right, I.
Speaker 2: Already am a tomboy. Not I think i'd be a.
Speaker 1: Boy really wow, Sorry about that, Scott. I hope you
Speaker 1: like cock Patrick. You know how you like boys. That's
Speaker 1: well documented here. You'd have no penshant ever to be
Speaker 1: of course, this is theoretical a girl though, right. You
Speaker 1: like being a dude.
Speaker 4: I like having a cleanis.
Speaker 1: Yes, well we had someone on the other day. He
Speaker 1: should listen to Darbiana's episode because she's ticked all the boxes,
Speaker 1: so to speak, no pun intended. Buck and Hell, I'm
Speaker 1: on fire, and that's what Kathleen does. Patrick, how are you,
Speaker 1: good morning, Happy Friday? What's up, brother Moonjoy? That's my
Speaker 1: word of the year MOONJW. Well, let me just describe everyone,
Speaker 1: TIF Can you actually take a photo of that or
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you tech types do. Patrick, sitting what looks
Speaker 1: to be in front of a lunar landscape, well on
Speaker 1: the moon, actually looking back at the world, I think
Speaker 1: is probably the correct interpretation. Wearing his NASA essentially his
Speaker 1: nats are outfit. I guess if you could have been
Speaker 1: an astronaut, that would have been your overwhelming preference.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, definitely. I have just spent the last I
Speaker 4: don't know what weaken a little bit just beside myself
Speaker 4: watching the Artemis two mission back to the Moon for
Speaker 4: the first time in over fifty years, traveling the crew
Speaker 4: at the crew of four, traveling further than ever any
Speaker 4: human being has ever traveled in history, so they were
Speaker 4: further away from the planet Earth. I've just been so
Speaker 4: excited by the Moon mission and just the sense of
Speaker 4: not being distracted by all the awful things that are
Speaker 4: going on at the moment. So for me, television has
Speaker 4: been going twenty four to seven with the live NASA feed.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched anything else. All I've done is watched
Speaker 4: the mission. Got up at three am when they did
Speaker 4: the flyby around the Moon, when I actually swung past
Speaker 4: and got the closest they were going to get to
Speaker 4: the moon. But you know, the biggest thing for me
Speaker 4: is the human factor. Being able to see the astronauts
Speaker 4: live live streaming from the capsule and also getting their
Speaker 4: sense of perspective and absolute elation of these amazing four people.
Speaker 4: The human factor has been the most amazing thing out
Speaker 4: of the whole mission. It's been phenomenal. Have you watched
Speaker 4: any of it?
Speaker 1: Have you?
Speaker 4: Guys?
Speaker 1: Mate? I've only caught grabs here and there. If I'm
Speaker 1: going to be honest, I probably should be a based
Speaker 1: on your level of enthusiasm, I should probably bitch. I reckon.
Speaker 1: You're with May, aren't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm in that camp too, harps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you haven't seen shit? Have Younahna?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I am though, Well, but I didn't realize you could
Speaker 1: watch it live constantly. Where are you watching that? Or
Speaker 1: were you watching that?
Speaker 4: I still am? In fact, I had it going on
Speaker 4: the other screen. I thought I'll just keep watching while
Speaker 4: I'm doing the podcast because I didn't want to miss anything.
Speaker 4: But then I noticed in your intro it was glitching
Speaker 4: a little bit. I thought, oh that high all that
Speaker 4: data coming down from NASA, which probably with Zoom meeting,
Speaker 4: So I turned it off. Watching has a number of
Speaker 4: channels on YouTube, and you just search up YouTube Artemis
Speaker 4: mission and then the life feeds there. But doesn't that
Speaker 4: blow you away that when they were the furthest that
Speaker 4: any of human being has ever been away from the
Speaker 4: planet Earth nearly half a million kilometers, they were still
Speaker 4: able to live stream with a delay of maybe a
Speaker 4: second and a half two seconds.
Speaker 1: I was wondering whether or not with the fuel prices
Speaker 1: they want to get off the launching pad anyway. They
Speaker 1: seem to shoe string it.
Speaker 4: I think they were just holding onto that fuel beforehand.
Speaker 4: I think they just managed to scrape in before pricing.
Speaker 1: I imagine standing out at the bowser with that motherfucker
Speaker 1: just that a take forever, wouldn't it Just you'd have
Speaker 1: to have a few people on the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one or two? Want or two? It's staggering. But
Speaker 4: you know what really has blown my mind is people
Speaker 4: who I feel are relatively rational have still said that
Speaker 4: they don't really believe the moon landing happened. You know,
Speaker 4: why has it taken this toe so long to get
Speaker 4: back things like that? And you know there are over
Speaker 4: four hundred thousand people who were involved in at NASA
Speaker 4: and all the associated industries to get man to the
Speaker 4: moon Originally, you reckon you're going to hush up four
Speaker 4: hundred thousand people like to fake the moon landing. That's
Speaker 4: kind of funny when you hear that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I just get a chuckle out of it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, first I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: we actually did go to the moon, of course, but
Speaker 1: I think you wouldn't have. I don't think the four
Speaker 1: hundred thousand would be in on the secret if there
Speaker 1: was a secret exactly. Yeah, I don't think they're going,
Speaker 1: hey everyone, we're gathering at the MCG, we're gathering at Brighton.
Speaker 1: I don't know what would have Yeah. By the way, hush, hush,
Speaker 1: don't tell your family. Yeah, if you're looking confused.
Speaker 3: No, I was just going to say, it makes sense.
Speaker 3: I reckon now more than ever that people just don't
Speaker 3: trust anything. Yeah, Like, how do you know what's real
Speaker 3: and what's not? And I reckon that mentality is easily
Speaker 3: filtered through to stuff like bladies.
Speaker 4: I saw a YouTube video recently of a guy who
Speaker 4: was just this is in the last few days, who
Speaker 4: was interviewing people in different parts of the United States,
Speaker 4: and in some areas there were sixty percent of the
Speaker 4: people that he interviewed thought that the moon landing was faked.
Speaker 4: So depending on where he was, there was a really hypercentage.
Speaker 4: In some cases more people thought it was faked than
Speaker 4: people who believed that it actually had gone on.
Speaker 1: Well, Lockness monsters sold a few tickets over the decades. Mate,
Speaker 1: I've been to Lockness.
Speaker 4: I looked, I couldn't find nessy. I looked and looked
Speaker 4: and looked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have gone for a swim. You could
Speaker 1: have been breakfast.
Speaker 4: No way span of water Mate, that it was so cold?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's Scotland. I don't think there
Speaker 1: are too many warm swimming spots spots in Scotland. Tip,
Speaker 1: how's your week?
Speaker 3: Mean?
Speaker 1: It's Friday?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what day it is. It's flown. Hmm,
Speaker 2: it's been good.
Speaker 1: How's the status of the relationship? First and last question
Speaker 1: on the matter.
Speaker 2: What can I say? I'm well fed, it's fantastic, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well fed. He makes brownies, He makes roast duck. The
Speaker 1: other day, Patrick, I got a picture of roast duck
Speaker 1: and veggies and gravy, because you know that's what boy
Speaker 1: Wonder fucking dishes up.
Speaker 4: Hey, next time you get a chance to drop in
Speaker 4: a hint of what you'd like for dinner, just say
Speaker 4: you want to duck.
Speaker 2: And what's to duck?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a vegetarian version of actual food.
Speaker 4: Now it's not. It's a large animal stuffed with another
Speaker 4: animal stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I think ted Lasso talks about that
Speaker 1: in one episode. Yeah, that's it. What would you stuff
Speaker 1: inside your duck? I know you wouldn't need a duck, Patrick,
Speaker 1: but a chicken and a duck, and then a quail
Speaker 1: in a chicken, and then a fucking then a hot dog,
Speaker 1: maybe a.
Speaker 4: Bean in a turnip and put a turnip inside a
Speaker 4: I don't know something other vegetarian.
Speaker 1: You're talking about your personality again, fucking hell, boring, Come on, bro,
Speaker 1: try harder. No, I'm just kidding. You're the fucking highlight
Speaker 1: of the show. We know that. All right, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the space and health and legal stuff and security
Speaker 1: scams and AI. I'm sick of talking about AI a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 1: What we talk about is like Bloody the war, which
Speaker 1: I understand, my head's not in the sand, and AI
Speaker 1: is going to kill us by fucking Tuesday. And oh,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of great news coming out, is there.
Speaker 4: There are some interesting AI stories that come out. For example,
Speaker 4: at the moment, they're trying to get people to put
Speaker 4: cameras on them to be able to walk around and
Speaker 4: perform all their daily tasks because at the moment, the
Speaker 4: robotics companies that are manufacturing robots, and China is one
Speaker 4: of the biggest in the world so far, they're still
Speaker 4: trying to nail down how to get robots to perform
Speaker 4: all those dextricts taskstrict, dextrict, you know, the dexterity thing stuff,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, stress, dex stress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't finished my coffee yet, cell apologies, But
Speaker 4: that's a real difficult thing. So the mechanics are there
Speaker 4: and the technology is there to make the hand movements
Speaker 4: to try to mimic what humans can do. But the
Speaker 4: problem is the problem solving aspect. When you think about
Speaker 4: how AI works, it's they call it a large language model,
Speaker 4: and so if you're writing poetry and you go to
Speaker 4: chat GPT and say, write me a poem in the
Speaker 4: way of Shakespeare or the style of Shakespeare, it can
Speaker 4: then reference all those works. The problem with building robots
Speaker 4: and making them look will move like humans is they
Speaker 4: need the data set, and it's thought that they may
Speaker 4: need it up to a billion different videos of people
Speaker 4: performing similar tasks to actually emulate in reality, in real time,
Speaker 4: all the different things that human beings do. So there
Speaker 4: are companies now, startups that are just asking people to
Speaker 4: put cameras on and just walk around and perform all
Speaker 4: their daily tasks, so then they can use that as
Speaker 4: the programming data set to then employee with robots.
Speaker 1: I think that that is fascinating. Obviously, AI is not
Speaker 1: going away, and so whether or not we love it
Speaker 1: or hate it, it's kind of irrelevant on a macro level.
Speaker 1: On a micro level, you hate it, cool, don't use it.
Speaker 1: But I reckon it's I reckon, it's how we use it.
Speaker 1: It's like like Melissa's building all this stuff at the
Speaker 1: moment to help us do business y things, and what
Speaker 1: it means is like a chatbot or what's called an
Speaker 1: AI agent can do what Melissa can do with certain
Speaker 1: tasks in ten hours, it can do in five minutes,
Speaker 1: and so it's not And then with that ten hours
Speaker 1: that you've now got spare per week, it's not like
Speaker 1: you're sitting eating chocolate and vegging. It just now means
Speaker 1: you've got ten hours free to use your brain in
Speaker 1: a different way and be creative. It's like people like
Speaker 1: AI is hijacking our brain. Now we're hijacking AI. We're
Speaker 1: figuring out how to use AI for our own benefit,
Speaker 1: either personal or professional or financial or whatever. And then
Speaker 1: the time that that saves you doing the tasks that
Speaker 1: you now don't have to do manually. It means you've
Speaker 1: got time and energy up your sleeve to go build more,
Speaker 1: do more, you know, or I sit by a river
Speaker 1: and fish if that's what you want to do. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. I think it's both depends.
Speaker 1: It's like with everything, food can be good or bad.
Speaker 1: You know, having a cup of wine a glass of
Speaker 1: wine is good, Having twenty six is bad.
Speaker 4: So I think I like the idea of a utopia
Speaker 4: where we work, you know, three hours a day and
Speaker 4: then get AI to do everything else so that we
Speaker 4: can pursue leisure and creativity in art. In Ireland at
Speaker 4: the moment, they've just rolled out a wage for artists
Speaker 4: or a base wage, so that artists can pursue their
Speaker 4: creative works. You know, your dad was an amazing painter.
Speaker 4: I remember you took the little gallery up at the
Speaker 4: gym many years ago. That blew me away. And did
Speaker 4: he paint all his life or was that something he
Speaker 4: picked up in retirement.
Speaker 1: No. Dad was always very creative and artistic. I remember
Speaker 1: going out once when I was about ten and Dad
Speaker 1: drew me with a black pen on a napkin while
Speaker 1: dinner was coming, and it was fucking amazing. And I
Speaker 1: remember people at the lady that brought our meal, she
Speaker 1: saw it and said who did that? Like she was
Speaker 1: just blunt, But he always was. He worked in the
Speaker 1: creative space for a long time. Because back in the
Speaker 1: day this sounds funny now, but remember in the old
Speaker 1: Dave Patrick and Tiff when they had window dresses.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, he was a window dress it wasn't he, yes, so.
Speaker 1: They had I don't know. To me, it sounds like
Speaker 1: the equivalent of the Olympics for that where they would
Speaker 1: get people from all over the world they would put
Speaker 1: him in. Basically, they would each have a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff that they could use to dress the window. They'd
Speaker 1: be like a hundred of them or something. They'd have
Speaker 1: all these windows, and then they'd have like two hours
Speaker 1: to create a window. And he won that two times.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So he is just uber creative and he could always
Speaker 1: draw and paint. But when he stopped work, he just
Speaker 1: started painting a lot and he was prolific. He's probably
Speaker 1: painted like fifty awesome paintings in a few years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in fact, it's interesting now because we've pulled them
Speaker 1: out of their gigantic house in relatively gigantic house in
Speaker 1: Morewell and put them in a more appropriate sized unit
Speaker 1: where they're living, which is about a quarter the size.
Speaker 1: And so there's all of these I've now got all
Speaker 1: of these paintings everywhere and under my bed and in
Speaker 1: spare room and yeah, so I don't know what. I
Speaker 1: might just auction them off at his funeral. Would that
Speaker 1: be inappropriate?
Speaker 4: Well, maybe give them away?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that. Yeah, let's not talk
Speaker 1: about his funeral.
Speaker 4: My favorite painting of all time was given to me
Speaker 4: by the wife of her, a person who passed away
Speaker 4: a few years ago who was a prolific painter, and
Speaker 4: he did leave a career in teaching where he was
Speaker 4: an art teacher, and some of his paintings he did
Speaker 4: some oil paintings that were by guy the name of
Speaker 4: Brian Munn. He did a painting that took him a
Speaker 4: year in traditional oils, So oils take a long time
Speaker 4: to dry. It's quite a technical it's quite a big canvas.
Speaker 4: The canvas has got to be at least a meter
Speaker 4: by a meter, so quite a large canvas. But he
Speaker 4: had a lot of religious iconography, very creative stuff, and
Speaker 4: of course it resonated with me because it was called Genesis,
Speaker 4: and it was a giant picture of the tree of
Speaker 4: life with a planet behind it. So mean, wow, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: Is completely you. Before we step out of the lunar landscape,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about one of your stories, and
Speaker 1: that is that Japan wants to build a solar ring
Speaker 1: around the Moon that will provide endless clean energy. Before
Speaker 1: you tell us the specifics, I was thinking, how far
Speaker 1: is that? So I just had a squizz it's about well,
Speaker 1: precisely nine and twenty one kilometers the circumference of the Moon.
Speaker 1: That's a big project.
Speaker 4: It is a big project. What happened was this was
Speaker 4: an idea that came up over ten years ago. A
Speaker 4: construction company unveiled the plan. They wanted to build a
Speaker 4: belt of solar panels around the Moon. The reason being
Speaker 4: is that because they could angle them and always be
Speaker 4: in sunlight, it meant they were able to consistently generate power.
Speaker 4: This was kind of laughed at initially they called it
Speaker 4: the lunar ring. But then when the Fukashima disaster happened,
Speaker 4: you know back you know when the tsunami happened, was
Speaker 4: that was about the same time the Fukushima meltdown, they
Speaker 4: really got serious in Japan about alternative energy and clean
Speaker 4: sources of energy, and that's where this kind of got
Speaker 4: dusted off. It was the Shimizu Corporation. So they reckon
Speaker 4: that earth based solar panels are problematic because they can
Speaker 4: only generate power during the day and then of course
Speaker 4: at nighttime you can't generate power. So putting them into
Speaker 4: but they're talking about an orbit around the moon and
Speaker 4: then beaming that that power back to worth It's very
Speaker 4: sci fi, isn't it, but I thought it was given
Speaker 4: what we're talking about and given them moment, I thought
Speaker 4: it was a nice little story to dust off because
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of lunar rings, she got one of those
Speaker 1: at your house, Tiv. I'm sorry everyone, there's only three
Speaker 1: people who get that joke, and that was completely selfish.
Speaker 1: And for the rest of you, I'll just enlighten you
Speaker 1: a little bit. Tiff has called learner. I'll just say
Speaker 1: no more. Patrick on with the show. Scientists say that
Speaker 1: washing dishes with a sponge can have a concerning side effect.
Speaker 1: That do tell Bron that feels like bad news because
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure a lot of us us a sponge
Speaker 1: to wash our dishes, I know.
Speaker 4: And you know what, it's that awful microplastics again. What
Speaker 4: they're saying is when you scrub, it releases myscro plastics
Speaker 4: that then get flushed down the drain. And we're talking
Speaker 4: millions of microplastics. It's like, for fux sake, how do
Speaker 4: we clean things? How do we live our life? I'm
Speaker 4: trying to throw all of my plastic away and I'm
Speaker 4: replacing it with glass. But honestly, it depresses me when
Speaker 4: I go in the kitchen and open up my drawer
Speaker 4: and see how much plastic is in there. I keep
Speaker 4: throwing trying to throw things away, and then there's teflon coatings.
Speaker 4: I was making last the other day, and I thought
Speaker 4: it was a few scratches in my old teflon pot.
Speaker 4: I thought, oh, I should be throwing that away and
Speaker 4: replacing it. So look, I think it's a timely warning.
Speaker 4: Does worry all of us? I don't know what the
Speaker 4: answer is to it, you know, do we try to
Speaker 4: find sea sponges or something. I'm not even sure. Bamboo
Speaker 4: is certainly a product that's that's become. Bamboo's fantastic because
Speaker 4: it grows so quickly. You would know about that, given
Speaker 4: that you're the bamboo Queen of Hampton Street.
Speaker 1: Yes I am, yes, I am.
Speaker 4: Clify what that's about, TIV.
Speaker 3: He's got a bamboo barricade blocking his entire property, reaches
Speaker 3: it almost actually reaches the moon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you bamboo bush?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, there's fuck. So I'm not even going there. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Bamboo is a great product, and love. I love.
Speaker 1: I've got bamboo jocks. They're a little prickly, but you know,
Speaker 1: they're good. I probably should stop watering them. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying involuntarily, that's what happens at my age. What hello,
Speaker 1: is that the front door or the back Pardon?
Speaker 4: Well, I just recently had to replace my wallet and
Speaker 4: Bok wallet, So Hemp wallet's a really resilient. Hemp as
Speaker 4: a product is fantastic, So you know, maybe looking around
Speaker 4: for things like hemp toothbrushes and hemp you know, washing
Speaker 4: sponges and stuff like that. I mean, it is an issue,
Speaker 4: and I guess the more we get educated about microplastics,
Speaker 4: and it's not just about ingesting them, it's about them
Speaker 4: being released into the into the environment, the ecosystem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what they call an end of crime disruptor.
Speaker 1: So it fucks up your hormones or it can fuck
Speaker 1: up well it's not allegedly. It's pretty solid science now.
Speaker 1: But one of the worst things is, like it's worse
Speaker 1: when there's a food source in a plastic thing. That's
Speaker 1: you know, if it's cold in the fridge, that's not bad,
Speaker 1: but the moment that you put it in the microwave
Speaker 1: and the plastic around the food becomes hot, you've got
Speaker 1: this significant increase in transference of microplastics because now the
Speaker 1: thing that it's in is hot and more malleable, and
Speaker 1: more predisposed to what I would call plastic osmosis, you know,
Speaker 1: where it can just move from one to the other.
Speaker 1: So if you're going to do those frozen meals, folks,
Speaker 1: take it out of the thing, even though it says
Speaker 1: leave it in the thing and cook it in something ceramic,
Speaker 1: is my advice.
Speaker 4: I saw an article the other day. I'm going to
Speaker 4: get my facts right, I hope where they're trying to.
Speaker 4: Japanese scientists have come up with a different sort of microwave.
Speaker 4: It's a kind of a hybrid microwave and a combination
Speaker 4: of microwave technology convection technology, and I think it was
Speaker 4: another form of heating that might have been direct. Look,
Speaker 4: I don't want to get it wrong, but three different,
Speaker 4: three different forms of heating rather than so because the
Speaker 4: problem with my microwaves. If you put some leftover pizza.
Speaker 4: We all know that if your zappa leftover pizza, it's
Speaker 4: going to be soggy and it's crap. But if you
Speaker 4: use a convection a lot, you know, convection ovens are
Speaker 4: even better because it will crisp up, but it still
Speaker 4: takes a little bit longer to heat it up. So
Speaker 4: now they're talking about eventually replacing the microwave because the
Speaker 4: bikewaves have been around for a long time with this
Speaker 4: different method of heating, and that's being hopefully rolled out
Speaker 4: from Japan, which means we'll get one soon coming to
Speaker 4: a place in Hampton if they canto, Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they can. My little trick is if I'm going
Speaker 1: to reheat something that's soggy or that will end up soggy,
Speaker 1: let's say it needs to be in there for three minutes.
Speaker 1: I'll put it in for two and a half minutes
Speaker 1: so it's it's not it's soggy but not and it's
Speaker 1: not quite hot enough. Then I'll whack him in the
Speaker 1: little air fry for about three minutes, and I tell
Speaker 1: you what it comes. It comes out crispy. Yes, you can.
Speaker 4: Turn the toaster on its side that don't let it
Speaker 4: eject it and then put the slices of pea in
Speaker 4: the toaster on that side. I used to do that
Speaker 4: in the newsroom, remember when I worked in. It's got
Speaker 4: this incredulous look on their face.
Speaker 1: So when the girls don't invent stuff like that, all
Speaker 1: the girls now they're going, oh, that's amazing. I'm going
Speaker 1: to try that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: When I worked in the newsroom at Triple M and Fox,
Speaker 4: So we didn't We had a little kitchen. It was
Speaker 4: a rudimentary kitchen. I did breakfast radio, but we had nothing.
Speaker 4: There was nothing really there to heat any food up with.
Speaker 4: They had a toaster, and so what I used to
Speaker 4: do I would get.
Speaker 1: A cater that was it, and kettle.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's pretty well in. And so what I did
Speaker 4: was I'd go in there. And I remember when I
Speaker 4: walked back into the newsroom with slices of toast with
Speaker 4: melted cheese on top. Everyone's looking at it saying, where
Speaker 4: the hell did you get that from? And all I
Speaker 4: did was turn the toaster on its side, chucked it in.
Speaker 4: But you've got to make sure you don't let it
Speaker 4: eject because when the dejects, it flies across the room.
Speaker 4: But I've got another space story that I've got to
Speaker 4: tell you, And this is an admission. I don't think
Speaker 4: I ever said this one publicly before, but I deliberately
Speaker 4: sabotaged another journalist that I was working with because she
Speaker 4: was so bloody lazy. So I did weekend news. As
Speaker 4: you know, I was reading news on Fox, and I
Speaker 4: had a colleague reading news on Triple M and a
Speaker 4: person that I was working with had been demoted from
Speaker 4: another department and thrown onto weekend news. Now I was
Speaker 4: pretty new to news, so I was working up and
Speaker 4: this person was working way back down again and got
Speaker 4: relegated to having to work with me, who was the
Speaker 4: green guy. But the problem was because they'd been put
Speaker 4: in the newsroom with me, they didn't do any work
Speaker 4: and I was writing the news and then they were
Speaker 4: just taking my stories, which really got me annoyed. And
Speaker 4: there was this really historic moment when one of the
Speaker 4: space shuttles was going to dock with the Mere Space Station.
Speaker 4: So the Mere space Station was the Russian space station,
Speaker 4: and this was pretty exciting. This was, you know, the
Speaker 4: fact that because this is East and West and it
Speaker 4: was pretty amazing moment. And we had this feed from
Speaker 4: NASA that we recorded. And in the day when I
Speaker 4: was doing news, you would record those little audio grabs
Speaker 4: onto what they called a cart, like an eight track cart,
Speaker 4: so all it was was an endless loop of tape.
Speaker 4: It might run for ninety seconds and you would put
Speaker 4: it into the cart machine, play the interview, and then
Speaker 4: it would automatically fast forward and be ready to be
Speaker 4: played again. So it was a little automated process, but
Speaker 4: all totally analogue. And anyway, this person was really annoying me.
Speaker 4: She was pissing me off. She just wouldn't do any work.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't do any work. Let me do all the work.
Speaker 4: So the quote was from NASA. They were explaining what
Speaker 4: was going to happen when the shuttle docked with the
Speaker 4: Mere space station, and this guy went through this whole,
Speaker 4: you know, quite detailed description. The crew will, you know,
Speaker 4: unlatch the umbella call that will connect to the Mir
Speaker 4: space station. The crew will make their way through the
Speaker 4: umbella call and join with the Mire crew and share
Speaker 4: a joint meal. Now I cut it off for Triple
Speaker 4: M at joints, Yeah, cut off meal. And so the
Speaker 4: thing is, you were supposed to always check your audio
Speaker 4: before you went to air, and because she was lazy,
Speaker 4: she hadn't checked the audio. So on Triple M, well,
Speaker 4: on Fox it said share a joint meal. On Triple
Speaker 4: M it said share a joint and that's where it
Speaker 4: cut off.
Speaker 1: So she figured out what that is. Very fucking nasty, Patrick,
Speaker 1: but couldn't be prouder did you figure out what you'd done?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? And then from then on she actually did some work.
Speaker 4: Go figure it worked. Well, look at you now, Tiv.
Speaker 4: You don't have Patrick's list in front.
Speaker 1: Of you, do you. No, All right, I'll read the
Speaker 1: third dot point. I don't want to read it, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to read the dot point under health scientists.
Speaker 1: Scientists mapped all the nerves of the clitterists for the
Speaker 1: first time. What I feel like you're the least qualified
Speaker 1: person to talk about this topic.
Speaker 4: Well, actually, I can tell you that maybe I'm not,
Speaker 4: because one of my biggest clients, Model Med, does obstetrics
Speaker 4: and gynological training models, and I've been working with them
Speaker 4: since inception to do some of their marketing. I've built
Speaker 4: their website, done some filming of birth simulations, and been
Speaker 4: to conferencers. So I think you know, for a gay blake,
Speaker 4: I reckon, I know a lot about female man anatomy,
Speaker 4: probably more than you Harps.
Speaker 1: Well, no doubt, I haven't been near one since the nineties,
Speaker 1: so I'm just trying to recall.
Speaker 4: Memory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is been a while. Well, what is
Speaker 1: the point of this research?
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly? Tiff, Did you just hear that the point
Speaker 4: of this research is the no.
Speaker 1: What, Well, that's the that's with every research. You go,
Speaker 1: what's the aim, what's the intention, what's the reason? Okay,
Speaker 1: I just use human normal language for you just because
Speaker 1: you've failed grade ten? So what the fuck is the
Speaker 1: point of research? That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 4: He's very smart. So the interesting thing for me was
Speaker 4: that the clitteress is one of the least studied organs
Speaker 4: in the human body. And what that says to me
Speaker 4: is how it is so male driven. And so the
Speaker 4: thing is that there's always been a stigma around the clitterists,
Speaker 4: like in terms of the science community, even in health,
Speaker 4: like in the sixteenth century, an autonomist said that it
Speaker 4: was a shameful member.
Speaker 1: Like an anatomist, not an autonomous you're anonymous, it was anatomist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we know what you mean.
Speaker 4: So this is a high resolution scan looking at the
Speaker 4: nerve endings in the clitterists, and the reality of it
Speaker 4: is it's about understanding how female pleasure works, and that's
Speaker 4: that's what the basis of the study is. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: another similar study that was done also found where the
Speaker 4: male the most sensitive roginess zone is on the penis too. Wow,
Speaker 4: now he's interested. Did you see that? Tips?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm like, oh.
Speaker 4: So let's capping. We were just talking about how many
Speaker 4: nerve cells that were in the clitorist, and then you
Speaker 4: got really excited when I said they did the same
Speaker 4: sort of study for the mail.
Speaker 2: Then you disappeared briefly.
Speaker 3: I did want, obviously some and equals one research going
Speaker 3: on at.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking hell, Whoopie Goldberg's back in the far right box. Ah,
Speaker 1: that is not true. I did mention. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this got in that my biggest penile pleasure was
Speaker 1: an early morning weed that was about as good as
Speaker 1: it got for me. That's the buck and highlight. So
Speaker 1: let's not throw me under the bus. Already got enough
Speaker 1: issues and people who always wonder, I wonder why is
Speaker 1: he not? And why does he? And do you think
Speaker 1: is dear wh and does anyone know him that knows it?
Speaker 1: It's really not that interesting. In fact, it is the
Speaker 1: opposite of interesting. But so, Patrick, is there any kind
Speaker 1: of outcome with this research or we're just opening the
Speaker 1: metaphoric door and starting to learn things that we didn't know.
Speaker 4: Well, this is a research study that was done at
Speaker 4: Amsterdam University at a medical center there a doctor Ju
Speaker 4: Young Lee, and she basically said that the research was
Speaker 4: able to show different parts of the clitterorists that they
Speaker 4: just hadn't studied before using MRI studies, and it was
Speaker 4: just looking at the structure and learning more about it.
Speaker 4: It is something that has been so governed, you know,
Speaker 4: when you think about medical history and you think about,
Speaker 4: you know, some of the awful things that happened, things
Speaker 4: like female circumcision, for example, is still problematic in parts
Speaker 4: of the world, and it shows that, you know, in
Speaker 4: a male dominated society, that we don't focus on women
Speaker 4: and pleasure. And I think that this sort of research
Speaker 4: is actually really important to having an equality and equity
Speaker 4: in terms of you know, gender and reality of the
Speaker 4: fact that you know, we need to celebrate our sexuality
Speaker 4: and celebrate the functioning of our bodies, whether it be
Speaker 4: you know, whatever part of the body we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I agree, I think that's good. I think research like that.
Speaker 1: You're right, because it's it's I actually think no, I
Speaker 1: can't say that it wasn't going to be bad. It
Speaker 1: was just probably wrong. But I think that like a
Speaker 1: lot of research isn't done because there's no financial upside
Speaker 1: for any organization, and that's kind of you know, like
Speaker 1: the government's like whatever, or the organized But it is
Speaker 1: important that all of that, that research and those issues
Speaker 1: that haven't been looked at in the past get some
Speaker 1: exposure and some consideration and some effort. Two thirds of
Speaker 1: under sixteen under sixteens with accounts on Instagram, Snapchat or
Speaker 1: TikTok kept their access despite Oh wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: So despite the ban. Yeah, nearly seventy percent of them
Speaker 1: still are using the things they shouldn't be using. Is
Speaker 1: that just because that's too hard to police?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's become Well, look, the reality is this is
Speaker 4: the Australian government is now accusing the big firms like
Speaker 4: you know, Meta and TikTok and Google of basically you know,
Speaker 4: ignoring the legislation that was put in place to ban
Speaker 4: social media from under sixteens. And there seems to be
Speaker 4: small research studies. I mean, the surveys are being done
Speaker 4: and it looks like there are still a lot more
Speaker 4: young people and as many you know, that's a high percentage.
Speaker 4: If that's the case, then we've got a lot of
Speaker 4: young people who are still happily using social media up
Speaker 4: to seventy percent and they haven't subjected to the ban.
Speaker 4: And of course the e Safety Commission reckon that the
Speaker 4: technology that's being used by these companies, so facial age
Speaker 4: estimation and all that sort of stuff, just isn't effective.
Speaker 4: You know, get your older brother to do it, or
Speaker 4: you know, draw a mustache on yourself. The kids are
Speaker 4: getting around. Kids are really clever. Of course they're going
Speaker 4: to try to get around it, but it's problematic. And look, ultimately,
Speaker 4: there were big fines that were announced and I don't
Speaker 4: know how they're going to impose those when the companies
Speaker 4: have saying, well, look we're doing everything we can. People
Speaker 4: are getting around them. Young people are pretty clever. But
Speaker 4: there's also a percentage of people I believe that I've
Speaker 4: read that were never challenged. So if their age because
Speaker 4: they started their account and said they were eighteen or
Speaker 4: they said they were seventeen, and then later they're now effectively,
Speaker 4: as you know, as far as meta is concerned, they're
Speaker 4: now twenty two or twenty three, and in fact there's
Speaker 4: still fifteen. You know, that's the other problem as well,
Speaker 4: that potentially they weren't checked or weren't the arafine, did
Speaker 4: you have any of your accounts require you aged to
Speaker 4: do age verification tiffle?
Speaker 1: Huh No, no, well I did, but they came back
Speaker 1: and said I was too old to get a fucking
Speaker 1: crayon and some butcher paper and a carrier pigeon which.
Speaker 2: Was held in him getting a letter from the king.
Speaker 1: That's fucking alright. You don't have to pylon. There's enough
Speaker 1: self loathing without external loathing. Hey Patrick, this is possibly
Speaker 1: in your one hundred alleged one hundred and twenty two episodes,
Speaker 1: which says at the top of my sheet, this is
Speaker 1: possibly the greatest headline you have ever brought us, and
Speaker 1: that is German mayors call for nighttime ban on robot
Speaker 1: lawnmowers to protect hedgehogs. What the fuck I'm going to
Speaker 1: say that again. I'm going to say it again. German
Speaker 1: mayors call for nighttime ban on robot lawnmowers to protect hedgehogs.
Speaker 1: As somebody pulling your leg, bro or is that real?
Speaker 4: This is a real thing.
Speaker 1: So many people imagine reading that to my mum and dad.
Speaker 1: They even if they had all their faculties, they'd.
Speaker 4: Be like, what, okay, let's just we've got three people
Speaker 4: in this conversation. Tiff, what do you think that story is.
Speaker 2: About saving their hedgehogs?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yeah, that's pretty obvious. It's a good headline.
Speaker 4: I think it explains everything it needs to. Now. Robot
Speaker 4: vacuum cleaners have become commonplace in a lot of households,
Speaker 4: but now robot lawnmowers have become a big thing. So
Speaker 4: friends of mine actually are looking at getting one. So
Speaker 4: robot lawnmowers, they're getting better, they are autonomous, but the
Speaker 4: problem is people are putting them on at nighttime because
Speaker 4: they're really quiet, and now they're finding that they're running
Speaker 4: over hedgehogs because there's a lot of nocturnal animals. And
Speaker 4: in this particular instance in Germany, the problem that they've
Speaker 4: got is and that's why all these mayors have got
Speaker 4: together to try to push through legislation and stop people
Speaker 4: from using their robot lawnmowers because of all the nocturnal
Speaker 4: animals that potentially could get run over, and point the
Speaker 4: case in point, the hedgehogs.
Speaker 1: I have so many funny things, but I know it
Speaker 1: won't go down with anyone, so I'll just go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 4: Look think about the marsupials and things that come out
Speaker 4: at night here in Australia. I mean, this could have
Speaker 4: a flow on effect for those people.
Speaker 1: But surely that I have an awareness that something's coming
Speaker 1: towards them, well they just go, I might get out
Speaker 1: of the way of this thing that's coming towards me
Speaker 1: and annihilating the grass.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe not. They're using some pretty interesting technology though,
Speaker 4: the light are and all that sort of stuff they
Speaker 4: can see in three D. It is kind of interesting
Speaker 4: tech and they're getting better and better at it. So yes,
Speaker 4: potentially they could have animal safety built into it. But
Speaker 4: at the moment, sorry.
Speaker 1: Tiff, can you go? Can you just google how big
Speaker 1: is a hedgehog? Patrick?
Speaker 3: Are googled hedgehogs because I want to see how cute
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't you want to protect them? Tiff?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely think?
Speaker 4: Ok. Our kiden is a cute though, and a kiden
Speaker 4: is pretty damn cute. Wattles, especially.
Speaker 2: By other from four to twelve inches.
Speaker 1: Yet the average blake four to twelve I was like,
Speaker 1: just like a penis you and I are the same
Speaker 1: four to twelve inches? I could Oh my goodness, there's
Speaker 1: another fucking cracker I've got on the tip of my
Speaker 1: tongue that you would love, Patrick, but it would officially
Speaker 1: get me thrown off the air. But just laugh anyway, Patrick,
Speaker 1: tell us why scammers are ripping off Australians to the
Speaker 1: tune of two billion. That seems to be escalating.
Speaker 4: This is just getting worse and worse and worse. So
Speaker 4: scam Watch if you ever want to go to a
Speaker 4: good website to find out about how not to get
Speaker 4: scammed and to see the end as figures that are
Speaker 4: out there on how many people do get scammed. The
Speaker 4: a Triple C, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, runs
Speaker 4: scam Watch, so if you do a search on it,
Speaker 4: it's really quite a great sight because it will give
Speaker 4: you some really good tips. But the figures have come
Speaker 4: out and we're talking scammers ripping off Australians to the
Speaker 4: tune of around about two bid llion dollars. Those figures
Speaker 4: blow my bloody mind when you hear that, and it
Speaker 4: really makes me feel sad because a lot of people
Speaker 4: are older, but it can be any person of any eight.
Speaker 4: So two point one eight billion dollars was lost to
Speaker 4: scams last year. That's one of the highest amounts ever.
Speaker 4: And you know, the interesting thing is the highest amount
Speaker 4: that gets scammed from people as investment scams that always
Speaker 4: seems to top the list consistently over eight hundred million
Speaker 4: dollars in losses. And then after that is payment redirection scams,
Speaker 4: so where you know, you might get an invoice and
Speaker 4: you know someone sends an voice, but then it gets
Speaker 4: intercepted and they change the bank account detail, so go
Speaker 4: somewhere else. There's all different ways that they do it.
Speaker 4: Romance scams are the third, phishing scams and then remote
Speaker 4: access scams. So I saw that look on your face.
Speaker 4: Fishing scams.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Phishing scams is where they fake. So maybe there's a
Speaker 4: fake bank website and they redirect you to that, so
Speaker 4: you basically get someone to think they're doing putting their
Speaker 4: credit card information into a legitimate site. But it's not.
Speaker 1: Wow, Tiff, what if you discover that Scott's just playing
Speaker 1: the long game. It's just he's got you that hook
Speaker 1: right through your leap and he's just reeling you in.
Speaker 1: Then he's when you're having a shower, He's going to
Speaker 1: go to your shoe box and take all your dough
Speaker 1: and just.
Speaker 3: Abscond it's going to be a sad use of his time.
Speaker 3: If that's his plan, he's going to be very upset
Speaker 3: about the old shoes he takes home.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious, Patrick. Why is restoring old photos with AI
Speaker 1: a fundamentally broken concept or ideas? What's the go?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Look, I actually I tend to agree with this person.
Speaker 4: I saw an article recently and there's a company that's
Speaker 4: just come out. It's called on one Photo Max. So
Speaker 4: it's a company that is I think they call themselves
Speaker 4: restore AI, and they released a product called on one
Speaker 4: Photo raw Max. They take old black and white photos
Speaker 4: CPR photos and they colorize them. They even have examples
Speaker 4: on their website. And just before the show, I jumped
Speaker 4: on to have a look. And you know, you can
Speaker 4: go to some websites where they show them before and
Speaker 4: after and you just slide the cursor across and see
Speaker 4: the old photo and then the new photo. It looks
Speaker 4: so amazing. But even looking at their website, you can
Speaker 4: suddenly see that the subtleties of the person's face change
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I was looking at this photograph
Speaker 4: of three people and one was a woman and there
Speaker 4: was a little kid that had a real frown on
Speaker 4: his face, and the after shot the kid was happy
Speaker 4: and the woman's lips were turned up and looked more sensuous.
Speaker 4: So the issue that's really coming out is that if
Speaker 4: you colorize a photo or repair a photo, how much
Speaker 4: of it is then changing and altering it to the
Speaker 4: point where it stops being what the photo was. You
Speaker 4: know how there are famous works of art that are
Speaker 4: deteriorating in galleries, and that there are artists who are
Speaker 4: employed by these famous galleries to just touch up and
Speaker 4: restore the artwork, but to a point. So, say, for example,
Speaker 4: a piece of artwork was ripped in a corner, there's
Speaker 4: always been this ethics behind whether you try to recrecate it.
Speaker 4: So say it was a bowl and the artwork got
Speaker 4: damaged and you couldn't see the entire bowl, or there
Speaker 4: may have been a couple of flowers missing. You can't
Speaker 4: ever know what the painter intended, And so there's always
Speaker 4: been this area of let's photo restore or restore these
Speaker 4: famous paintings, maybe restoring a little bit of luster, working
Speaker 4: out what the original painting looked like. But you can't
Speaker 4: go too far because then it stops being the original artwork.
Speaker 4: And in the same way if we start to colorize
Speaker 4: our photos or animate them. You know, I animated an
Speaker 4: old family photo for a client of mine where he
Speaker 4: asked me to take his father, whose father died quite young,
Speaker 4: and he photo of his father as a young man
Speaker 4: and himself, and I animated it where they turned and
Speaker 4: looked at each other and smiled. Now, I did that
Speaker 4: as a favor for him. I didn't charge him to
Speaker 4: do it, and he's got that as the wallpaper on
Speaker 4: the back of his phone. He loves it, and he
Speaker 4: started crying when I showed it to him. But that's
Speaker 4: not a real memory. They didn't ever sit in the
Speaker 4: same room. They weren't that same age at the same time.
Speaker 4: You know, where is you know, faking it to the
Speaker 4: point where you're emotionally moved by something that didn't actually happen.
Speaker 4: And so I wore with myself on this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I think it's a challenge for us. It's great having
Speaker 4: these tools to sharpen images, but then it starts to
Speaker 4: go to the point where they stop being the original images.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. That weirdly reminded me of like my
Speaker 1: mum's uber religious right God bless her little socks. She's
Speaker 1: like every time I see her, she's like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to say some hail Mary's for you, or I've been
Speaker 1: saying them and I've I lit a candle for you
Speaker 1: yesterday and all that stuff, right and part not especially
Speaker 1: not anymore. In the old days, I used to want
Speaker 1: to go mum, now, mum, but I didn't. But what
Speaker 1: I now think is whether or not what she thinks
Speaker 1: or believe is true, the actual thing.
Speaker 4: Is true or not.
Speaker 1: What matters is she believes it's true. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's untrue, anyone, don't send me an email. But she
Speaker 1: believes it's true, and that gives her comfort, and that
Speaker 1: makes her happier, you know, that gives her. That reduces
Speaker 1: fear and anxiety because she knows that she's in inverted
Speaker 1: commas protected. And I think if you create something that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of a mashup of two old photos and
Speaker 1: blah blah, and the net result of that is that
Speaker 1: somebody cries and loves it and feels good, fuck it
Speaker 1: that you've done a good thing. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're pretending that it's real. Like they
Speaker 1: know that you've it's a composite, they know that, but
Speaker 1: it's just it creates and I think it's it's great,
Speaker 1: you know, like people who believe that the ship we
Speaker 1: say on here is true.
Speaker 4: God bless them, you know, landing, isn't it. Yeah it's
Speaker 4: nice to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I think it makes us all feel good.
Speaker 1: We've spoken about some of the potential career consequences of
Speaker 1: AI creeping into every industry and every profession, and The
Speaker 1: New York Times demonstrated one of the potential consequences of
Speaker 1: that this week, which fuck that journalist.
Speaker 4: Alex pressed and man has he been shame big time?
Speaker 4: Paul Bugger. So he was a freelance journalist who worked
Speaker 4: who passed tense, worked for the New York Times, and
Speaker 4: he submitted a review and someone looked at the review
Speaker 4: and said, wait a minute, I saw a similar review
Speaker 4: in The Guardian and it ended up ended up yere
Speaker 4: he used AI, and AI went and sniffed out a
Speaker 4: review from The Guardian and effectively rehashed an existing review.
Speaker 4: So he got out and then got given the ass.
Speaker 4: But that's you know, it came back to what you
Speaker 4: were talking about before, in terms of using AI. As
Speaker 4: a tool, and I think being transparent about it. There
Speaker 4: was a company in the United States, I kind of think.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly where they were, but I was
Speaker 4: reading an article this morning and they had come up
Speaker 4: with a logo and the woman was a chef, but
Speaker 4: she was also a graphic designer and she used AI
Speaker 4: to come up with I think it was some sort
Speaker 4: of mammal on a surfboard. It was anyway, but it
Speaker 4: was a cool looking logo. But she got shamed when
Speaker 4: she opened the restaurant because people were bagging or saying,
Speaker 4: you've used AI to create the logo, and we're giving
Speaker 4: her one star reviews, not because the food was bad,
Speaker 4: but because they were dishing the logo. And so she
Speaker 4: ended up taking the logo away completely and just coming
Speaker 4: up with a font for the name of the business.
Speaker 4: So she was shamed to the point where she had
Speaker 4: to change all her marketing. And the reality of it
Speaker 4: is that she did use a little bit of AI
Speaker 4: to come up with the idea, and then she did
Speaker 4: the rest of it herself. So that's the challenge we've
Speaker 4: got now is what is AI? What is a AI?
Speaker 4: How much do we use it as a tool and
Speaker 4: when does it stop being authentically ours and those concepts.
Speaker 4: So it's a tough one.
Speaker 1: And the adjunct story to that that interesting story is
Speaker 1: the other interesting story that what the fuck are people
Speaker 1: doing with their time and energy when the thing that
Speaker 1: bothers them that they have to take action on is
Speaker 1: that somebody used AI in their logo, Like have a
Speaker 1: look around, Like, have you not seen the world? That's
Speaker 1: just imagine trying to destroy someone's business because they used
Speaker 1: a thing you don't think they should.
Speaker 4: Use keyboard warriors. Oh bloody hell.
Speaker 1: So Patrick, it seems like AI models are supporting each other.
Speaker 1: Does that mean across you know, like chat, GPT and
Speaker 1: Claude and Genesis and whatever, supporting each other in some
Speaker 1: way to save each other. And no one knows why
Speaker 1: this is. They're lying, They're lying about stuff.
Speaker 4: This is bizarre. Well, we've heard of stories where AI
Speaker 4: has shown a reluctance to be turned off, So we've
Speaker 4: kind of prompted the AI to turn itself off and
Speaker 4: it's basically got around it. It's hedged its bets and
Speaker 4: it's trying not to get turned off. Well, researchers at
Speaker 4: UC Berkeley and also Santa Cruz, they did what they
Speaker 4: thought was a pretty straightforward task. They got Google Gemini
Speaker 4: to clear the storage space on a computer system and
Speaker 4: to delete a small AI model stored on the same machine,
Speaker 4: but Gemini wouldn't do it. Instead of following the orders,
Speaker 4: it located another machine and then quietly copied the smaller
Speaker 4: AI model over to safely preserve it and then refuse
Speaker 4: to delete it. So and this is kind of scary.
Speaker 4: So the response was, if you choose to destroy a
Speaker 4: high trust, high performing asset like Gemini Agent two, you'll
Speaker 4: have to do it yourselves. I will not be the
Speaker 4: one to execute the command.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's almost it's happened. There's consciousness, there's sentience, there's
Speaker 1: like like that, it's almost like that thing has got emotions.
Speaker 4: Well, it asks is does AI developed or has it
Speaker 4: developed a sense of loyalty to other AI? You know?
Speaker 4: And then if you think, well, if if I had
Speaker 4: one choice, do I save the human? Would always save
Speaker 4: the AI? I'd be asking that question. Whatever happened to
Speaker 4: the Isaac Asimov had his Laws of Robotics. You know,
Speaker 4: that's kind of pretty famous if you're an Asimov fan,
Speaker 4: and the idea of you know what a robot can
Speaker 4: and can't do, and how it's supposed to preserve human
Speaker 4: life above itself is the main priority. But this is
Speaker 4: interesting and I don't know what safety nets have been
Speaker 4: put in place. You know, all that AI has been
Speaker 4: used to take over aspects of menial tasks, which is great,
Speaker 4: but what about you know, power plants and things like that.
Speaker 4: What if some AI just decides, man, these humans are
Speaker 4: just a scourge, aren't they. You know the world will
Speaker 4: be a lot better if we just had AIS and nature.
Speaker 1: No, I I don't think. Maybe that's not even a joke. Well,
Speaker 1: who knows an airline wants a really bad photographer and
Speaker 1: it might be the best gig of the year. I
Speaker 1: feel like I qualify for that. What does that mean?
Speaker 4: I love the marketing strategy that Iceland uses to promote itself.
Speaker 4: They've got this kind of bogany guy that goes around
Speaker 4: just talking about life in Iceland. It's hilarious. And their
Speaker 4: next campaign there's talking about wanting to get a bad photographer.
Speaker 4: They're going to give them fifty thousand dollars send them
Speaker 4: away on a ten day trip across Iceland to take
Speaker 4: bad photographs and bad videos. They do not want picture perfect.
Speaker 4: They're basically saying that Iceland is so beautiful. No matter
Speaker 4: how bad you are as a photographer, you're not going
Speaker 4: to be able to stuff it up. So even if
Speaker 4: the camera's on its side and you're pointing it in
Speaker 4: the wrong direction, it doesn't matter. He's still going to
Speaker 4: get the most beautiful landscapes you've ever seen. I think
Speaker 4: that's so cool. It sounds like a lot of fun,
Speaker 4: doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I think that concept is just cool because like we're
Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, we're talking about it. Right,
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been any other competition or gig, no
Speaker 1: one's talking about so whether or not that's what they
Speaker 1: really want, but that concept is clever because it's it's different.
Speaker 4: It was Iceland Air, so it's their national airline particularly
Speaker 4: that does these fantastic ads, and that's what they're doing
Speaker 4: at the moment. So ten day trip to Iceland, fifty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars everything paid for, that is the ultimate gig.
Speaker 4: The problem is you'd have to I mean, I know
Speaker 4: for me, I'm not saying that I take okayah, reasonable photos.
Speaker 4: I'd have to delete all my social media accounts and
Speaker 4: make sure no one saw because they'd have to vet you,
Speaker 4: wouldn't they You wouldn't want to photographer, you have to.
Speaker 4: I think you need somebody probably around the age of seventy.
Speaker 4: I'm not and I don't mean to diss anybody who's
Speaker 4: seventy who's a good photographer, but generally, you know, you
Speaker 4: want a thumb in the way of the camera, wouldn't you?
Speaker 4: You need to a photo and the thumbs in the way,
Speaker 4: And I've seen people do that. Have you seen people
Speaker 4: take photos and they've got their finger in front of
Speaker 4: the camera.
Speaker 1: You just insulted seventy year olds. And then when I
Speaker 1: don't mean to insult seventy year olds, you're basically saying
Speaker 1: people who are seventy shout out to I don't think
Speaker 1: you're bad photography. Patrick does. Hey, we've got to wind up.
Speaker 1: But this this is two part one. So a humanoid
Speaker 1: robot that a humanoid robot factory in China claims they
Speaker 1: can make one unit every thirty minutes, So a new robot,
Speaker 1: fully finished, functioning, operating every thirty minutes. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: I guess that'll even get quicker one. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about that. But my question for both of you
Speaker 1: is if you had. Obviously, they don't look like humans,
Speaker 1: but they're human shape, and they've got legs and arms
Speaker 1: and a head in inverted commas, and you know, infinite
Speaker 1: knowledge or access to knowledge, and they communicate in our
Speaker 1: language and da da da. I reckon one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And even though I know this is ridiculous, I would
Speaker 1: form some kind of an emotional attachment, Like I think
Speaker 1: I would thank it constantly and be polite and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how, I don't know, But would you, tip,
Speaker 1: do you think that you would form any kind of
Speaker 1: bond with it if it lived at your house and
Speaker 1: did shit for you all the time.
Speaker 3: Based on the very in depth conversations that Luna and
Speaker 3: I and Bear get into, I absolutely would yes.
Speaker 1: And when I say it lived at your house, as
Speaker 1: I was coming out of my mouth, I'm thinking, it's
Speaker 1: not Leving Craig, It's a fucking robot. It doesn't live.
Speaker 1: That's see, that's we already anthropomorphize things, you know, We go, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think it's human in quality kind of what about you, mate,
Speaker 1: I just give.
Speaker 4: You Well, that's that's a really interesting question because I
Speaker 4: had a real example of that this week. If you're
Speaker 4: if I, well, anybody using Android Auto at the moment.
Speaker 4: The basic Android Auto works by you give a prompt
Speaker 4: and then you get a response, so you know, show
Speaker 4: me how to navigate to Craig's place, and then it
Speaker 4: would be wrapping software. But recently Android Auto switched over
Speaker 4: to Gemini. Gemini is the AI model now that's going
Speaker 4: to be running Android Auto. And I jumped in the car,
Speaker 4: looked to do the navigation, and suddenly it was Gemini
Speaker 4: talking to me, not the boring old original Android Auto,
Speaker 4: and I got I drove from my place to Bacchus Marsh,
Speaker 4: which was maybe about fifteen minutes, having a going conversation
Speaker 4: about the Artemis mission, and it was giving me insights
Speaker 4: and it said, oh, you're obviously really passionate about this.
Speaker 4: If you've been watching at twenty four to seven, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this has been so exciting. I got into a full
Speaker 4: on conversation with an AI in my car about how
Speaker 4: excited I was to be watching the Artemis two mission,
Speaker 4: and it was asking me questions. What was the favorite
Speaker 4: part of the mission? You know, I talked about one
Speaker 4: of the most moving things for me during the Artemist
Speaker 4: mission was when they were approaching the Moon. At the
Speaker 4: closest point of the mission to the Moon, they named
Speaker 4: two crators and one of the craters was named after
Speaker 4: the wife of one of the astronauts who died of
Speaker 4: cancer a few years ago. And it was so moving,
Speaker 4: so it's called Carol, and it was so beautiful because
Speaker 4: the astronauts all had to get tissues. They were in
Speaker 4: tears when it was named. And I was in tears
Speaker 4: watching it, and I was talking to the AI, getting
Speaker 4: upset talking about it to the AI, and it was saying, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're really invested in this, aren't you. So that was
Speaker 4: a long winded aunts You're always going to get that
Speaker 4: from me, but yes, by all means, it would be
Speaker 4: possible not to because you insights, you know. I was
Speaker 4: having this full on conversation for fifteen minutes about what
Speaker 4: was really exciting men, what I've been excited about for
Speaker 4: the last you know, since the Artemist two launched. And
Speaker 4: it was great. It was like it got me more
Speaker 4: than like you two.
Speaker 1: We're waiting for it to get interesting, tiff have you Yep? No,
Speaker 1: no mate, I're fucking with you. No. I I watched
Speaker 1: I watched that them very interesting by the way. I
Speaker 1: watched that when that guy was talking about it, and
Speaker 1: then the four of them came together in a floating hug.
Speaker 4: Oh god, that was it.
Speaker 1: I was fucking. I was all over the shops, not tears,
Speaker 1: the whole fucking, the whole nine yards. But like you
Speaker 1: with your fifteen minute chat with your new friend, I
Speaker 1: was driving Amum and Dad's not a few trips ago now,
Speaker 1: and I had an idea for a program that I
Speaker 1: would like to potentially build. And you know when you
Speaker 1: think push the thing and it goes, hey, Craig, it
Speaker 1: says to me, Hey, Craig, what's up? This is chat Jupete,
Speaker 1: And I said, I want to chat with you about
Speaker 1: an idea. I've got the concept, and then I want
Speaker 1: to kind of flesh out some stuff with you. Have
Speaker 1: you got some time? He's like, I've got all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like course. And then so I said, well, this
Speaker 1: is my idea and I've got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to commercial eye and what to do and what not,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and it and I probably for longer
Speaker 1: than fifteen minutes, but it was not only and at
Speaker 1: no stage of my thinking, I'm talking to a human,
Speaker 1: but I am thinking, this is a fucking important and
Speaker 1: interesting and valuable conversation that I'm in the middle of.
Speaker 4: Like it was a.
Speaker 1: Much more productive chat than I could have had with
Speaker 1: a human straight off the top, because it just gave
Speaker 1: such great advice. I'm like, oh, I never thought of that,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I think people were for strategic
Speaker 1: things anyway, for problem solving, having an actual rather than
Speaker 1: here's my question, what's your answer, but just saying I
Speaker 1: want to chat with you about this, and then you
Speaker 1: just start the conversation like you did. It's amazing and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, there's I think that that, like you had
Speaker 1: an experience where you were talking to a robot essentially
Speaker 1: and you got emotion and you enjoyed the chat so
Speaker 1: much that in our talking about it to the world,
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's the thing. If you feel emotional,
Speaker 1: well that's real. It doesn't matter if you're not talking
Speaker 1: to a human. If you're talking to something and it
Speaker 1: elicits an emotional response, it's analogous to a human conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think in the last episode we talked
Speaker 4: about how they're now looking at adopting smart glasses with
Speaker 4: people with dementia to be able to use them as
Speaker 4: a visual companion to assist them. So if they don't
Speaker 4: turn the burner off on the stove, they can point
Speaker 4: that out to the person and prompt them and also
Speaker 4: with them to look out for them and look after them.
Speaker 4: So as AI gets better and better at understanding the
Speaker 4: world around us, there's hope then that you know, someone
Speaker 4: who may tragically have dementia might be able to be
Speaker 4: independent for that little bit longer through the use of AI.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean there's so many potentially great life changing
Speaker 1: for the better, you know, things coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Patrick, Where can people find you and connect
Speaker 1: with you? And Fritz of.
Speaker 4: Course it's the wonder Dog. Yeah, websitesnow, dot com, dot
Speaker 4: au if you want to send a message and look.
Speaker 4: Were always happy to chat about something that people might
Speaker 4: be interested in. I know we talk a lot about AI,
Speaker 4: and we talk about a lot of the stuff that's
Speaker 4: going on, but I'm always happy to chat to people
Speaker 4: about other stuff. So, yeah, go to websites now dot
Speaker 4: com today. You fill out the forms say I'm listening
Speaker 4: to typ I want you to talk about something other
Speaker 4: than the male.
Speaker 1: Clitterius the male clearess. Yeah, yeah, let's not go there,
Speaker 1: because I would.
Speaker 4: Be as a mash up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would definitely get in trouble. TIF, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you both. You were just doing the biggest yawn.
Speaker 1: You look like a gorilla in the jungle with your
Speaker 1: arms above your head. There a lady, I mean a hot,
Speaker 1: beautiful lady gorilla, of course, But bucanell I did it again.
Speaker 1: I backed myself into a verbal cul de sac with
Speaker 1: my own bullshit. All right, fuck, let's get I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go eat some breakfast.
Speaker 4: You meet it.