WEBVTT - #2140 Around The Moon We Go - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.200 Good morning, everybody, All good evening or good afternoon, wherever 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.640 you are. Patrick James Bonello is here, Tiffany and called 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.959 Craig Anthony Harper. You Project is the show every week 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.920 or thereabouts every fortnight. Let's be honest, we get together 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.880 and we talk about all things technology. Today is no exception. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.440 And let me say when I say we talk all 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:24.160 things tech and kind of kind of sometimes we talk 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:31.000 about dix and lunch and fucking relationships. So it's under 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.000 the banner of technology. How much of that you'll get, 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.680 I'm not sure. And neither of the two others on 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.279 the show. Speaking of the others, Tiffany will start with 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.159 you because you're the frustrated lady who said just before 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.879 you wish you were born a boy. Let's unpack that 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.080 a little bit, because Patrick wishes he was born a girl. 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:55.680 So fucking what are the odds? Ah, why do you 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:56.800 wish you were born a boy? 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:58.520 I just do all the girl stuff. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.800 I just washed my hair today and straightened it. 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.400 And you know it's hard work. It's not of work. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.240 Nothing works out right, which are. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.560 Just roll out of bed like you hot blokes, You 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.479 just roll out of bed, you fucking rub you rub 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.400 your head like you were just then. You just scratch 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.240 your head and you're ready to go out the door 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:15.759 where you go look amazing. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.160 Yeah that's right. Fuck it's hard. It's been both a 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.040 blessing and a curse being as hot as me because 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.080 I get stopped everywhere. Oh you're fucking staggering. I'm like, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:27.560 aren't I? 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:27.880 Though? 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.520 Yeah, roll out of bed, scratch my head, scratch my nuts, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.720 clean my teeth. Boom done, beauty, regimeme done, on with 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.319 the day. You don't really like if you could go 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.040 back in time and be a boy or a girl. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.119 You choose a girl, though, you just be a tomboy, right, I. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.840 Already am a tomboy. Not I think i'd be a. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.400 Boy really wow, Sorry about that, Scott. I hope you 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:59.080 like cock Patrick. You know how you like boys. That's 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:04.160 well documented here. You'd have no penshant ever to be 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.920 of course, this is theoretical a girl though, right. You 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:08.760 like being a dude. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:11.280 I like having a cleanis. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:18.320 Yes, well we had someone on the other day. He 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:23.440 should listen to Darbiana's episode because she's ticked all the boxes, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.160 so to speak, no pun intended. Buck and Hell, I'm 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.600 on fire, and that's what Kathleen does. Patrick, how are you, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.560 good morning, Happy Friday? What's up, brother Moonjoy? That's my 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:40.800 word of the year MOONJW. Well, let me just describe everyone, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.040 TIF Can you actually take a photo of that or 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.200 whatever whatever you tech types do. Patrick, sitting what looks 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.880 to be in front of a lunar landscape, well on 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.720 the moon, actually looking back at the world, I think 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.760 is probably the correct interpretation. Wearing his NASA essentially his 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.040 nats are outfit. I guess if you could have been 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.680 an astronaut, that would have been your overwhelming preference. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:13.760 Absolutely, yeah, definitely. I have just spent the last I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.200 don't know what weaken a little bit just beside myself 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.640 watching the Artemis two mission back to the Moon for 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.079 the first time in over fifty years, traveling the crew 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.520 at the crew of four, traveling further than ever any 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.440 human being has ever traveled in history, so they were 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.600 further away from the planet Earth. I've just been so 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:38.800 excited by the Moon mission and just the sense of 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.440 not being distracted by all the awful things that are 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.240 going on at the moment. So for me, television has 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.640 been going twenty four to seven with the live NASA feed. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.800 I haven't watched anything else. All I've done is watched 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.040 the mission. Got up at three am when they did 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.520 the flyby around the Moon, when I actually swung past 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.480 and got the closest they were going to get to 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.520 the moon. But you know, the biggest thing for me 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.160 is the human factor. Being able to see the astronauts 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:10.440 live live streaming from the capsule and also getting their 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:16.760 sense of perspective and absolute elation of these amazing four people. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.760 The human factor has been the most amazing thing out 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.280 of the whole mission. It's been phenomenal. Have you watched 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:22.720 any of it? 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:23.000 Have you? 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:23.320 Guys? 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.160 Mate? I've only caught grabs here and there. If I'm 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.400 going to be honest, I probably should be a based 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.400 on your level of enthusiasm, I should probably bitch. I reckon. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.360 You're with May, aren't you. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:33.719 Yeah? 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.120 I'm in that camp too, harps. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.960 Yeah, you haven't seen shit? Have Younahna? 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:39.360 No? 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.640 I am though, Well, but I didn't realize you could 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.599 watch it live constantly. Where are you watching that? Or 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.520 were you watching that? 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.960 I still am? In fact, I had it going on 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:51.960 the other screen. I thought I'll just keep watching while 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.120 I'm doing the podcast because I didn't want to miss anything. 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.479 But then I noticed in your intro it was glitching 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.520 a little bit. I thought, oh that high all that 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.239 data coming down from NASA, which probably with Zoom meeting, 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.040 So I turned it off. Watching has a number of 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:14.480 channels on YouTube, and you just search up YouTube Artemis 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.560 mission and then the life feeds there. But doesn't that 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.080 blow you away that when they were the furthest that 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.520 any of human being has ever been away from the 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.560 planet Earth nearly half a million kilometers, they were still 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.919 able to live stream with a delay of maybe a 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.960 second and a half two seconds. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.719 I was wondering whether or not with the fuel prices 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.440 they want to get off the launching pad anyway. They 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.120 seem to shoe string it. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.840 I think they were just holding onto that fuel beforehand. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.120 I think they just managed to scrape in before pricing. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.919 I imagine standing out at the bowser with that motherfucker 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.359 just that a take forever, wouldn't it Just you'd have 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.839 to have a few people on the team. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.680 Yeah, one or two? Want or two? It's staggering. But 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.280 you know what really has blown my mind is people 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.159 who I feel are relatively rational have still said that 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.440 they don't really believe the moon landing happened. You know, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.520 why has it taken this toe so long to get 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.520 back things like that? And you know there are over 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.880 four hundred thousand people who were involved in at NASA 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.560 and all the associated industries to get man to the 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.279 moon Originally, you reckon you're going to hush up four 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.440 hundred thousand people like to fake the moon landing. That's 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.159 kind of funny when you hear that sort of stuff. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.359 I just get a chuckle out of it. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.920 Well, I think, first I agree with you. I think 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.880 we actually did go to the moon, of course, but 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.159 I think you wouldn't have. I don't think the four 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.680 hundred thousand would be in on the secret if there 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.920 was a secret exactly. Yeah, I don't think they're going, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:48.080 hey everyone, we're gathering at the MCG, we're gathering at Brighton. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.400 I don't know what would have Yeah. By the way, hush, hush, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.760 don't tell your family. Yeah, if you're looking confused. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.520 No, I was just going to say, it makes sense. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.880 I reckon now more than ever that people just don't 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.240 trust anything. Yeah, Like, how do you know what's real 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.520 and what's not? And I reckon that mentality is easily 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.240 filtered through to stuff like bladies. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.440 I saw a YouTube video recently of a guy who 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.800 was just this is in the last few days, who 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.680 was interviewing people in different parts of the United States, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.080 and in some areas there were sixty percent of the 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.600 people that he interviewed thought that the moon landing was faked. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.160 So depending on where he was, there was a really hypercentage. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.480 In some cases more people thought it was faked than 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.880 people who believed that it actually had gone on. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.280 Well, Lockness monsters sold a few tickets over the decades. Mate, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:38.440 I've been to Lockness. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.560 I looked, I couldn't find nessy. I looked and looked 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.000 and looked. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.200 Yeah, you should have gone for a swim. You could 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:44.000 have been breakfast. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.400 No way span of water Mate, that it was so cold? 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, well, I mean it's Scotland. I don't think there 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.720 are too many warm swimming spots spots in Scotland. Tip, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:55.400 how's your week? 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:55.640 Mean? 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:56.560 It's Friday? 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.360 I wouldn't know what day it is. It's flown. Hmm, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:01.320 it's been good. 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.280 How's the status of the relationship? First and last question 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:05.800 on the matter. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.120 What can I say? I'm well fed, it's fantastic, Thank you. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.040 Well fed. He makes brownies, He makes roast duck. The 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.480 other day, Patrick, I got a picture of roast duck 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.600 and veggies and gravy, because you know that's what boy 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.320 Wonder fucking dishes up. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.040 Hey, next time you get a chance to drop in 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.160 a hint of what you'd like for dinner, just say 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:25.840 you want to duck. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.840 And what's to duck? 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.680 You know, it's a vegetarian version of actual food. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.920 Now it's not. It's a large animal stuffed with another 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:36.680 animal stuff. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.280 Oh that's right. I think ted Lasso talks about that 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.360 in one episode. Yeah, that's it. What would you stuff 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.120 inside your duck? I know you wouldn't need a duck, Patrick, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.319 but a chicken and a duck, and then a quail 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.960 in a chicken, and then a fucking then a hot dog, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:56.560 maybe a. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.760 Bean in a turnip and put a turnip inside a 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.000 I don't know something other vegetarian. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:09.839 You're talking about your personality again, fucking hell, boring, Come on, bro, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.720 try harder. No, I'm just kidding. You're the fucking highlight 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.800 of the show. We know that. All right, Let's talk 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.240 about the space and health and legal stuff and security 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.240 scams and AI. I'm sick of talking about AI a 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:22.760 little bit. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:24.760 Sorry. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.480 What we talk about is like Bloody the war, which 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.640 I understand, my head's not in the sand, and AI 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.400 is going to kill us by fucking Tuesday. And oh, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.040 there's not a lot of great news coming out, is there. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.439 There are some interesting AI stories that come out. For example, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.640 at the moment, they're trying to get people to put 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.480 cameras on them to be able to walk around and 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.440 perform all their daily tasks because at the moment, the 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.679 robotics companies that are manufacturing robots, and China is one 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.040 of the biggest in the world so far, they're still 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.560 trying to nail down how to get robots to perform 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:06.480 all those dextricts taskstrict, dextrict, you know, the dexterity thing stuff, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:06.840 you know what. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.520 I mean, stress, dex stress. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.520 Yeah, I haven't finished my coffee yet, cell apologies, But 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.640 that's a real difficult thing. So the mechanics are there 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.319 and the technology is there to make the hand movements 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.480 to try to mimic what humans can do. But the 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.280 problem is the problem solving aspect. When you think about 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.440 how AI works, it's they call it a large language model, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.160 and so if you're writing poetry and you go to 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.719 chat GPT and say, write me a poem in the 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.079 way of Shakespeare or the style of Shakespeare, it can 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.560 then reference all those works. The problem with building robots 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.560 and making them look will move like humans is they 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.360 need the data set, and it's thought that they may 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.360 need it up to a billion different videos of people 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:55.320 performing similar tasks to actually emulate in reality, in real time, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.280 all the different things that human beings do. So there 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.120 are companies now, startups that are just asking people to 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.880 put cameras on and just walk around and perform all 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.600 their daily tasks, so then they can use that as 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.200 the programming data set to then employee with robots. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.320 I think that that is fascinating. Obviously, AI is not 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.360 going away, and so whether or not we love it 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:22.240 or hate it, it's kind of irrelevant on a macro level. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.439 On a micro level, you hate it, cool, don't use it. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:30.440 But I reckon it's I reckon, it's how we use it. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.880 It's like like Melissa's building all this stuff at the 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.520 moment to help us do business y things, and what 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.440 it means is like a chatbot or what's called an 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:44.080 AI agent can do what Melissa can do with certain 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:48.840 tasks in ten hours, it can do in five minutes, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.200 and so it's not And then with that ten hours 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.200 that you've now got spare per week, it's not like 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.640 you're sitting eating chocolate and vegging. It just now means 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.920 you've got ten hours free to use your brain in 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.080 a different way and be creative. It's like people like 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.040 AI is hijacking our brain. Now we're hijacking AI. We're 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.439 figuring out how to use AI for our own benefit, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.319 either personal or professional or financial or whatever. And then 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.040 the time that that saves you doing the tasks that 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.400 you now don't have to do manually. It means you've 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.000 got time and energy up your sleeve to go build more, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.440 do more, you know, or I sit by a river 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.480 and fish if that's what you want to do. So yeah, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.880 I'm not worried about it. I think it's both depends. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.439 It's like with everything, food can be good or bad. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.840 You know, having a cup of wine a glass of 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.800 wine is good, Having twenty six is bad. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.680 So I think I like the idea of a utopia 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.160 where we work, you know, three hours a day and 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.800 then get AI to do everything else so that we 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.480 can pursue leisure and creativity in art. In Ireland at 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.280 the moment, they've just rolled out a wage for artists 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.679 or a base wage, so that artists can pursue their 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.240 creative works. You know, your dad was an amazing painter. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.080 I remember you took the little gallery up at the 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.920 gym many years ago. That blew me away. And did 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.920 he paint all his life or was that something he 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:13.920 picked up in retirement. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.880 No. Dad was always very creative and artistic. I remember 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.320 going out once when I was about ten and Dad 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.760 drew me with a black pen on a napkin while 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.000 dinner was coming, and it was fucking amazing. And I 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:34.840 remember people at the lady that brought our meal, she 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.880 saw it and said who did that? Like she was 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.480 just blunt, But he always was. He worked in the 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.640 creative space for a long time. Because back in the 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.280 day this sounds funny now, but remember in the old 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.320 Dave Patrick and Tiff when they had window dresses. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.360 Oh that's right, he was a window dress it wasn't he, yes, so. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.000 They had I don't know. To me, it sounds like 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.960 the equivalent of the Olympics for that where they would 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.800 get people from all over the world they would put 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.440 him in. Basically, they would each have a bunch of 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:09.800 stuff that they could use to dress the window. They'd 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.280 be like a hundred of them or something. They'd have 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.080 all these windows, and then they'd have like two hours 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:20.480 to create a window. And he won that two times. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:21.320 Right. 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.960 So he is just uber creative and he could always 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.760 draw and paint. But when he stopped work, he just 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.840 started painting a lot and he was prolific. He's probably 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:38.720 painted like fifty awesome paintings in a few years. Yeah. 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.280 And in fact, it's interesting now because we've pulled them 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.560 out of their gigantic house in relatively gigantic house in 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:50.000 Morewell and put them in a more appropriate sized unit 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.320 where they're living, which is about a quarter the size. 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.040 And so there's all of these I've now got all 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.320 of these paintings everywhere and under my bed and in 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.040 spare room and yeah, so I don't know what. I 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.760 might just auction them off at his funeral. Would that 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.600 be inappropriate? 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.240 Well, maybe give them away? 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.360 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking that. Yeah, let's not talk 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:11.200 about his funeral. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.520 My favorite painting of all time was given to me 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.960 by the wife of her, a person who passed away 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.560 a few years ago who was a prolific painter, and 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.480 he did leave a career in teaching where he was 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.360 an art teacher, and some of his paintings he did 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.920 some oil paintings that were by guy the name of 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.600 Brian Munn. He did a painting that took him a 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.960 year in traditional oils, So oils take a long time 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.800 to dry. It's quite a technical it's quite a big canvas. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.120 The canvas has got to be at least a meter 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.360 by a meter, so quite a large canvas. But he 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.200 had a lot of religious iconography, very creative stuff, and 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.520 of course it resonated with me because it was called Genesis, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.440 and it was a giant picture of the tree of 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.840 life with a planet behind it. So mean, wow, yeah, that. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.840 Is completely you. Before we step out of the lunar landscape, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.480 I wanted to talk about one of your stories, and 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.960 that is that Japan wants to build a solar ring 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.480 around the Moon that will provide endless clean energy. Before 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.160 you tell us the specifics, I was thinking, how far 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.680 is that? So I just had a squizz it's about well, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:27.320 precisely nine and twenty one kilometers the circumference of the Moon. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.000 That's a big project. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.400 It is a big project. What happened was this was 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.520 an idea that came up over ten years ago. A 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.760 construction company unveiled the plan. They wanted to build a 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.960 belt of solar panels around the Moon. The reason being 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.880 is that because they could angle them and always be 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.040 in sunlight, it meant they were able to consistently generate power. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.880 This was kind of laughed at initially they called it 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.040 the lunar ring. But then when the Fukashima disaster happened, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.200 you know back you know when the tsunami happened, was 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.720 that was about the same time the Fukushima meltdown, they 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.000 really got serious in Japan about alternative energy and clean 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.520 sources of energy, and that's where this kind of got 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.879 dusted off. It was the Shimizu Corporation. So they reckon 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.360 that earth based solar panels are problematic because they can 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.880 only generate power during the day and then of course 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.040 at nighttime you can't generate power. So putting them into 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.760 but they're talking about an orbit around the moon and 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.080 then beaming that that power back to worth It's very 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.200 sci fi, isn't it, but I thought it was given 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.400 what we're talking about and given them moment, I thought 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.240 it was a nice little story to dust off because 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:39.679 it is. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.080 Yeah, speaking of lunar rings, she got one of those 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:51.520 at your house, Tiv. I'm sorry everyone, there's only three 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.600 people who get that joke, and that was completely selfish. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.600 And for the rest of you, I'll just enlighten you 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.800 a little bit. Tiff has called learner. I'll just say 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.920 no more. Patrick on with the show. Scientists say that 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.879 washing dishes with a sponge can have a concerning side effect. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.040 That do tell Bron that feels like bad news because 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.560 I'm pretty sure a lot of us us a sponge 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.040 to wash our dishes, I know. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.239 And you know what, it's that awful microplastics again. What 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.720 they're saying is when you scrub, it releases myscro plastics 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.040 that then get flushed down the drain. And we're talking 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.280 millions of microplastics. It's like, for fux sake, how do 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.200 we clean things? How do we live our life? I'm 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.000 trying to throw all of my plastic away and I'm 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.800 replacing it with glass. But honestly, it depresses me when 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.800 I go in the kitchen and open up my drawer 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.920 and see how much plastic is in there. I keep 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.240 throwing trying to throw things away, and then there's teflon coatings. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.360 I was making last the other day, and I thought 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.600 it was a few scratches in my old teflon pot. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.600 I thought, oh, I should be throwing that away and 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.800 replacing it. So look, I think it's a timely warning. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.800 Does worry all of us? I don't know what the 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.679 answer is to it, you know, do we try to 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.240 find sea sponges or something. I'm not even sure. Bamboo 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:15.120 is certainly a product that's that's become. Bamboo's fantastic because 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.600 it grows so quickly. You would know about that, given 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.639 that you're the bamboo Queen of Hampton Street. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.600 Yes I am, yes, I am. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.640 Clify what that's about, TIV. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:32.480 He's got a bamboo barricade blocking his entire property, reaches 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.400 it almost actually reaches the moon. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.520 Yeah, you bamboo bush? 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:45.120 Oh wow, there's fuck. So I'm not even going there. Yeah, but. 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.600 Bamboo is a great product, and love. I love. 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.639 I've got bamboo jocks. They're a little prickly, but you know, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:00.320 they're good. I probably should stop watering them. What I'm 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:06.600 saying involuntarily, that's what happens at my age. What hello, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:12.600 is that the front door or the back Pardon? 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.159 Well, I just recently had to replace my wallet and 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.360 Bok wallet, So Hemp wallet's a really resilient. Hemp as 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.359 a product is fantastic, So you know, maybe looking around 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.280 for things like hemp toothbrushes and hemp you know, washing 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.199 sponges and stuff like that. I mean, it is an issue, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.000 and I guess the more we get educated about microplastics, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.240 and it's not just about ingesting them, it's about them 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.040 being released into the into the environment, the ecosystem. 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.959 Yeah, it's what they call an end of crime disruptor. 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.120 So it fucks up your hormones or it can fuck 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.240 up well it's not allegedly. It's pretty solid science now. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.240 But one of the worst things is, like it's worse 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.720 when there's a food source in a plastic thing. That's 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.280 you know, if it's cold in the fridge, that's not bad, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.760 but the moment that you put it in the microwave 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.600 and the plastic around the food becomes hot, you've got 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:13.560 this significant increase in transference of microplastics because now the 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.800 thing that it's in is hot and more malleable, and 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:21.199 more predisposed to what I would call plastic osmosis, you know, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.200 where it can just move from one to the other. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.840 So if you're going to do those frozen meals, folks, 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.800 take it out of the thing, even though it says 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.920 leave it in the thing and cook it in something ceramic, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:33.000 is my advice. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:35.280 I saw an article the other day. I'm going to 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.439 get my facts right, I hope where they're trying to. 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.120 Japanese scientists have come up with a different sort of microwave. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.760 It's a kind of a hybrid microwave and a combination 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.000 of microwave technology convection technology, and I think it was 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.200 another form of heating that might have been direct. Look, 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.480 I don't want to get it wrong, but three different, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.560 three different forms of heating rather than so because the 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.959 problem with my microwaves. If you put some leftover pizza. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.440 We all know that if your zappa leftover pizza, it's 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.040 going to be soggy and it's crap. But if you 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.760 use a convection a lot, you know, convection ovens are 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.520 even better because it will crisp up, but it still 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.119 takes a little bit longer to heat it up. So 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.720 now they're talking about eventually replacing the microwave because the 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.320 bikewaves have been around for a long time with this 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.000 different method of heating, and that's being hopefully rolled out 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.359 from Japan, which means we'll get one soon coming to 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:31.720 a place in Hampton if they canto, Yeah. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.520 If they can. My little trick is if I'm going 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.639 to reheat something that's soggy or that will end up soggy, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.439 let's say it needs to be in there for three minutes. 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.280 I'll put it in for two and a half minutes 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.240 so it's it's not it's soggy but not and it's 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.439 not quite hot enough. Then I'll whack him in the 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.040 little air fry for about three minutes, and I tell 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.560 you what it comes. It comes out crispy. Yes, you can. 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:57.639 Turn the toaster on its side that don't let it 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.359 eject it and then put the slices of pea in 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.320 the toaster on that side. I used to do that 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.760 in the newsroom, remember when I worked in. It's got 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:07.400 this incredulous look on their face. 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.960 So when the girls don't invent stuff like that, all 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.600 the girls now they're going, oh, that's amazing. I'm going 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:14.199 to try that. 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:14.679 Well. 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.040 When I worked in the newsroom at Triple M and Fox, 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.800 So we didn't We had a little kitchen. It was 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.760 a rudimentary kitchen. I did breakfast radio, but we had nothing. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.320 There was nothing really there to heat any food up with. 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.080 They had a toaster, and so what I used to 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.240 do I would get. 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.560 A cater that was it, and kettle. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.000 Yeah that's pretty well in. And so what I did 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.000 was I'd go in there. And I remember when I 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.679 walked back into the newsroom with slices of toast with 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.160 melted cheese on top. Everyone's looking at it saying, where 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.919 the hell did you get that from? And all I 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.360 did was turn the toaster on its side, chucked it in. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:47.960 But you've got to make sure you don't let it 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.720 eject because when the dejects, it flies across the room. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:56.080 But I've got another space story that I've got to 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.959 tell you, And this is an admission. I don't think 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.800 I ever said this one publicly before, but I deliberately 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.679 sabotaged another journalist that I was working with because she 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.600 was so bloody lazy. So I did weekend news. As 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:13.800 you know, I was reading news on Fox, and I 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:17.040 had a colleague reading news on Triple M and a 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.000 person that I was working with had been demoted from 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.720 another department and thrown onto weekend news. Now I was 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.479 pretty new to news, so I was working up and 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.479 this person was working way back down again and got 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:32.760 relegated to having to work with me, who was the 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.720 green guy. But the problem was because they'd been put 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:38.720 in the newsroom with me, they didn't do any work 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.080 and I was writing the news and then they were 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.239 just taking my stories, which really got me annoyed. And 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.480 there was this really historic moment when one of the 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.399 space shuttles was going to dock with the Mere Space Station. 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.879 So the Mere space Station was the Russian space station, 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:56.320 and this was pretty exciting. This was, you know, the 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.359 fact that because this is East and West and it 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:03.000 was pretty amazing moment. And we had this feed from 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.719 NASA that we recorded. And in the day when I 0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:09.479 was doing news, you would record those little audio grabs 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.960 onto what they called a cart, like an eight track cart, 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.120 so all it was was an endless loop of tape. 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.600 It might run for ninety seconds and you would put 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.359 it into the cart machine, play the interview, and then 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.919 it would automatically fast forward and be ready to be 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.520 played again. So it was a little automated process, but 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.159 all totally analogue. And anyway, this person was really annoying me. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.240 She was pissing me off. She just wouldn't do any work. 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.200 Wouldn't do any work. Let me do all the work. 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.399 So the quote was from NASA. They were explaining what 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.399 was going to happen when the shuttle docked with the 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.439 Mere space station, and this guy went through this whole, 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.359 you know, quite detailed description. The crew will, you know, 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.600 unlatch the umbella call that will connect to the Mir 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.800 space station. The crew will make their way through the 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:56.080 umbella call and join with the Mire crew and share 0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.600 a joint meal. Now I cut it off for Triple 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:05.800 M at joints, Yeah, cut off meal. And so the 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.240 thing is, you were supposed to always check your audio 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.600 before you went to air, and because she was lazy, 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:16.320 she hadn't checked the audio. So on Triple M, well, 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.359 on Fox it said share a joint meal. On Triple 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.879 M it said share a joint and that's where it 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:22.440 cut off. 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:29.200 So she figured out what that is. Very fucking nasty, Patrick, 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:33.040 but couldn't be prouder did you figure out what you'd done? 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.720 Absolutely? And then from then on she actually did some work. 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:39.280 Go figure it worked. Well, look at you now, Tiv. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:41.960 You don't have Patrick's list in front. 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.960 Of you, do you. No, All right, I'll read the 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.000 third dot point. I don't want to read it, but 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.960 I'm going to read the dot point under health scientists. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.480 Scientists mapped all the nerves of the clitterists for the 0:26:54.520 --> 0:27:00.679 first time. What I feel like you're the least qualified 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.439 person to talk about this topic. 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.600 Well, actually, I can tell you that maybe I'm not, 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.760 because one of my biggest clients, Model Med, does obstetrics 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.400 and gynological training models, and I've been working with them 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.760 since inception to do some of their marketing. I've built 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.520 their website, done some filming of birth simulations, and been 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.520 to conferencers. So I think you know, for a gay blake, 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.040 I reckon, I know a lot about female man anatomy, 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.439 probably more than you Harps. 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.359 Well, no doubt, I haven't been near one since the nineties, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.640 so I'm just trying to recall. 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:36.199 Memory. 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:40.359 Yeah, no, this is been a while. Well, what is 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:41.840 the point of this research? 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.320 Exactly exactly? Tiff, Did you just hear that the point 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:47.959 of this research is the no. 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.840 What, Well, that's the that's with every research. You go, 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.480 what's the aim, what's the intention, what's the reason? Okay, 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:58.000 I just use human normal language for you just because 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:02.159 you've failed grade ten? So what the fuck is the 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.360 point of research? That's not true. That's not true. 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:09.320 He's very smart. So the interesting thing for me was 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.040 that the clitteress is one of the least studied organs 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.800 in the human body. And what that says to me 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:20.320 is how it is so male driven. And so the 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.720 thing is that there's always been a stigma around the clitterists, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.320 like in terms of the science community, even in health, 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.840 like in the sixteenth century, an autonomist said that it 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:31.480 was a shameful member. 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:38.440 Like an anatomist, not an autonomous you're anonymous, it was anatomist. Yeah, 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:39.440 but we know what you mean. 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.200 So this is a high resolution scan looking at the 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.160 nerve endings in the clitterists, and the reality of it 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.880 is it's about understanding how female pleasure works, and that's 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.480 that's what the basis of the study is. Interestingly enough, 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.360 another similar study that was done also found where the 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:03.760 male the most sensitive roginess zone is on the penis too. Wow, 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.720 now he's interested. Did you see that? Tips? 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:18.160 Yeah, but I'm like, oh. 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.240 So let's capping. We were just talking about how many 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:17.880 nerve cells that were in the clitorist, and then you 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.680 got really excited when I said they did the same 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:20.680 sort of study for the mail. 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:22.479 Then you disappeared briefly. 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:28.320 I did want, obviously some and equals one research going 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:28.760 on at. 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:36.120 Oh fucking hell, Whoopie Goldberg's back in the far right box. Ah, 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.440 that is not true. I did mention. I don't know 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.040 if this got in that my biggest penile pleasure was 0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.200 an early morning weed that was about as good as 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.560 it got for me. That's the buck and highlight. So 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.840 let's not throw me under the bus. Already got enough 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:57.280 issues and people who always wonder, I wonder why is 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.000 he not? And why does he? And do you think 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.920 is dear wh and does anyone know him that knows it? 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.560 It's really not that interesting. In fact, it is the 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:10.920 opposite of interesting. But so, Patrick, is there any kind 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.040 of outcome with this research or we're just opening the 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:18.520 metaphoric door and starting to learn things that we didn't know. 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.479 Well, this is a research study that was done at 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:26.000 Amsterdam University at a medical center there a doctor Ju 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.719 Young Lee, and she basically said that the research was 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.880 able to show different parts of the clitterorists that they 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.760 just hadn't studied before using MRI studies, and it was 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:39.280 just looking at the structure and learning more about it. 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.480 It is something that has been so governed, you know, 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.160 when you think about medical history and you think about, 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.160 you know, some of the awful things that happened, things 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.200 like female circumcision, for example, is still problematic in parts 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:54.440 of the world, and it shows that, you know, in 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:59.160 a male dominated society, that we don't focus on women 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.280 and pleasure. And I think that this sort of research 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.400 is actually really important to having an equality and equity 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.239 in terms of you know, gender and reality of the 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.800 fact that you know, we need to celebrate our sexuality 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.280 and celebrate the functioning of our bodies, whether it be 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.800 you know, whatever part of the body we're talking about. 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.960 I agree, I think that's good. I think research like that. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:30.000 You're right, because it's it's I actually think no, I 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.800 can't say that it wasn't going to be bad. It 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.600 was just probably wrong. But I think that like a 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.400 lot of research isn't done because there's no financial upside 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:44.200 for any organization, and that's kind of you know, like 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.400 the government's like whatever, or the organized But it is 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:53.040 important that all of that, that research and those issues 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.080 that haven't been looked at in the past get some 0:31:55.760 --> 0:32:01.560 exposure and some consideration and some effort. Two thirds of 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:07.600 under sixteen under sixteens with accounts on Instagram, Snapchat or 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:11.840 TikTok kept their access despite Oh wow, that's a lot. 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:16.120 So despite the ban. Yeah, nearly seventy percent of them 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:19.360 still are using the things they shouldn't be using. Is 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.480 that just because that's too hard to police? 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.840 Yeah, it's become Well, look, the reality is this is 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.440 the Australian government is now accusing the big firms like 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.120 you know, Meta and TikTok and Google of basically you know, 0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:36.400 ignoring the legislation that was put in place to ban 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.960 social media from under sixteens. And there seems to be 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:45.320 small research studies. I mean, the surveys are being done 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.360 and it looks like there are still a lot more 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.360 young people and as many you know, that's a high percentage. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.520 If that's the case, then we've got a lot of 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.760 young people who are still happily using social media up 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.040 to seventy percent and they haven't subjected to the ban. 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.960 And of course the e Safety Commission reckon that the 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.560 technology that's being used by these companies, so facial age 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.840 estimation and all that sort of stuff, just isn't effective. 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:13.560 You know, get your older brother to do it, or 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.040 you know, draw a mustache on yourself. The kids are 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.040 getting around. Kids are really clever. Of course they're going 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.600 to try to get around it, but it's problematic. And look, ultimately, 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.560 there were big fines that were announced and I don't 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.560 know how they're going to impose those when the companies 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:32.080 have saying, well, look we're doing everything we can. People 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.080 are getting around them. Young people are pretty clever. But 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.480 there's also a percentage of people I believe that I've 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.440 read that were never challenged. So if their age because 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.040 they started their account and said they were eighteen or 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.800 they said they were seventeen, and then later they're now effectively, 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.800 as you know, as far as meta is concerned, they're 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.240 now twenty two or twenty three, and in fact there's 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.960 still fifteen. You know, that's the other problem as well, 0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.880 that potentially they weren't checked or weren't the arafine, did 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.840 you have any of your accounts require you aged to 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.320 do age verification tiffle? 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:10.200 Huh No, no, well I did, but they came back 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.680 and said I was too old to get a fucking 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.320 crayon and some butcher paper and a carrier pigeon which. 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.359 Was held in him getting a letter from the king. 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.560 That's fucking alright. You don't have to pylon. There's enough 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:28.200 self loathing without external loathing. Hey Patrick, this is possibly 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.239 in your one hundred alleged one hundred and twenty two episodes, 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.080 which says at the top of my sheet, this is 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:39.920 possibly the greatest headline you have ever brought us, and 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:44.440 that is German mayors call for nighttime ban on robot 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:50.480 lawnmowers to protect hedgehogs. What the fuck I'm going to 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.800 say that again. I'm going to say it again. German 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:58.560 mayors call for nighttime ban on robot lawnmowers to protect hedgehogs. 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.120 As somebody pulling your leg, bro or is that real? 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:03.600 This is a real thing. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.560 So many people imagine reading that to my mum and dad. 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:12.279 They even if they had all their faculties, they'd. 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.880 Be like, what, okay, let's just we've got three people 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.239 in this conversation. Tiff, what do you think that story is. 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.719 About saving their hedgehogs? 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.760 Thank you? Yeah, that's pretty obvious. It's a good headline. 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.640 I think it explains everything it needs to. Now. Robot 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.000 vacuum cleaners have become commonplace in a lot of households, 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.439 but now robot lawnmowers have become a big thing. So 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.640 friends of mine actually are looking at getting one. So 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.120 robot lawnmowers, they're getting better, they are autonomous, but the 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.359 problem is people are putting them on at nighttime because 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:46.320 they're really quiet, and now they're finding that they're running 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.560 over hedgehogs because there's a lot of nocturnal animals. And 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.759 in this particular instance in Germany, the problem that they've 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:54.480 got is and that's why all these mayors have got 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.480 together to try to push through legislation and stop people 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.800 from using their robot lawnmowers because of all the nocturnal 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.800 animals that potentially could get run over, and point the 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.960 case in point, the hedgehogs. 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.400 I have so many funny things, but I know it 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.960 won't go down with anyone, so I'll just go, oh, 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:13.520 that's great. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.839 Look think about the marsupials and things that come out 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.799 at night here in Australia. I mean, this could have 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.240 a flow on effect for those people. 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.560 But surely that I have an awareness that something's coming 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.439 towards them, well they just go, I might get out 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.680 of the way of this thing that's coming towards me 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.160 and annihilating the grass. 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.359 Maybe maybe not. They're using some pretty interesting technology though, 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.319 the light are and all that sort of stuff they 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.680 can see in three D. It is kind of interesting 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.040 tech and they're getting better and better at it. So yes, 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.600 potentially they could have animal safety built into it. But 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.040 at the moment, sorry. 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.200 Tiff, can you go? Can you just google how big 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.000 is a hedgehog? Patrick? 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.960 Are googled hedgehogs because I want to see how cute 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:55.520 they are. 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:57.720 Wouldn't you want to protect them? Tiff? 0:36:58.360 --> 0:36:58.520 Oh? 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:00.239 Absolutely think? 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.080 Ok. Our kiden is a cute though, and a kiden 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.880 is pretty damn cute. Wattles, especially. 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.400 By other from four to twelve inches. 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.719 Yet the average blake four to twelve I was like, 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:23.440 just like a penis you and I are the same 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:30.120 four to twelve inches? I could Oh my goodness, there's 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.640 another fucking cracker I've got on the tip of my 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.520 tongue that you would love, Patrick, but it would officially 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:41.600 get me thrown off the air. But just laugh anyway, Patrick, 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.359 tell us why scammers are ripping off Australians to the 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:49.640 tune of two billion. That seems to be escalating. 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.319 This is just getting worse and worse and worse. So 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.000 scam Watch if you ever want to go to a 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.719 good website to find out about how not to get 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.839 scammed and to see the end as figures that are 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.440 out there on how many people do get scammed. The 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:08.160 a Triple C, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, runs 0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.560 scam Watch, so if you do a search on it, 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.040 it's really quite a great sight because it will give 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.640 you some really good tips. But the figures have come 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.839 out and we're talking scammers ripping off Australians to the 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.240 tune of around about two bid llion dollars. Those figures 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.120 blow my bloody mind when you hear that, and it 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.120 really makes me feel sad because a lot of people 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.319 are older, but it can be any person of any eight. 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.400 So two point one eight billion dollars was lost to 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:39.000 scams last year. That's one of the highest amounts ever. 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.480 And you know, the interesting thing is the highest amount 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.560 that gets scammed from people as investment scams that always 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:50.000 seems to top the list consistently over eight hundred million 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:54.480 dollars in losses. And then after that is payment redirection scams, 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.880 so where you know, you might get an invoice and 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:00.839 you know someone sends an voice, but then it gets 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.600 intercepted and they change the bank account detail, so go 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.879 somewhere else. There's all different ways that they do it. 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:10.720 Romance scams are the third, phishing scams and then remote 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.759 access scams. So I saw that look on your face. 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:14.640 Fishing scams. 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:15.799 Yeah. 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:20.160 Phishing scams is where they fake. So maybe there's a 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.839 fake bank website and they redirect you to that, so 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.640 you basically get someone to think they're doing putting their 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.040 credit card information into a legitimate site. But it's not. 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.480 Wow, Tiff, what if you discover that Scott's just playing 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:40.919 the long game. It's just he's got you that hook 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.319 right through your leap and he's just reeling you in. 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.840 Then he's when you're having a shower, He's going to 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.920 go to your shoe box and take all your dough 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:49.799 and just. 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.360 Abscond it's going to be a sad use of his time. 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:57.960 If that's his plan, he's going to be very upset 0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.760 about the old shoes he takes home. 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:05.359 That's hilarious, Patrick. Why is restoring old photos with AI 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:09.680 a fundamentally broken concept or ideas? What's the go? 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.280 Yeah? Look, I actually I tend to agree with this person. 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.200 I saw an article recently and there's a company that's 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:21.840 just come out. It's called on one Photo Max. So 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.320 it's a company that is I think they call themselves 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.879 restore AI, and they released a product called on one 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.640 Photo raw Max. They take old black and white photos 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.520 CPR photos and they colorize them. They even have examples 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.720 on their website. And just before the show, I jumped 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.080 on to have a look. And you know, you can 0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:42.960 go to some websites where they show them before and 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.520 after and you just slide the cursor across and see 0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.479 the old photo and then the new photo. It looks 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.239 so amazing. But even looking at their website, you can 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:54.880 suddenly see that the subtleties of the person's face change 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:56.640 a little bit. And I was looking at this photograph 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.640 of three people and one was a woman and there 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:01.640 was a little kid that had a real frown on 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.800 his face, and the after shot the kid was happy 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.880 and the woman's lips were turned up and looked more sensuous. 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:12.120 So the issue that's really coming out is that if 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.439 you colorize a photo or repair a photo, how much 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.600 of it is then changing and altering it to the 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:21.000 point where it stops being what the photo was. You 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.719 know how there are famous works of art that are 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.520 deteriorating in galleries, and that there are artists who are 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:31.000 employed by these famous galleries to just touch up and 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:35.120 restore the artwork, but to a point. So, say, for example, 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.719 a piece of artwork was ripped in a corner, there's 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.520 always been this ethics behind whether you try to recrecate it. 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.239 So say it was a bowl and the artwork got 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.759 damaged and you couldn't see the entire bowl, or there 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.760 may have been a couple of flowers missing. You can't 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:55.240 ever know what the painter intended, And so there's always 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.960 been this area of let's photo restore or restore these 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.279 famous paintings, maybe restoring a little bit of luster, working 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:04.759 out what the original painting looked like. But you can't 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.760 go too far because then it stops being the original artwork. 0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.920 And in the same way if we start to colorize 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.239 our photos or animate them. You know, I animated an 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.360 old family photo for a client of mine where he 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.040 asked me to take his father, whose father died quite young, 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:25.200 and he photo of his father as a young man 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:28.840 and himself, and I animated it where they turned and 0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.840 looked at each other and smiled. Now, I did that 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.960 as a favor for him. I didn't charge him to 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.560 do it, and he's got that as the wallpaper on 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.319 the back of his phone. He loves it, and he 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.919 started crying when I showed it to him. But that's 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.480 not a real memory. They didn't ever sit in the 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.560 same room. They weren't that same age at the same time. 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.480 You know, where is you know, faking it to the 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:55.920 point where you're emotionally moved by something that didn't actually happen. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.440 And so I wore with myself on this sort of stuff. 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.279 I think it's a challenge for us. It's great having 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.360 these tools to sharpen images, but then it starts to 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.920 go to the point where they stop being the original images. 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:13.759 Yeah, that's interesting. That weirdly reminded me of like my 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:17.919 mum's uber religious right God bless her little socks. She's 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.640 like every time I see her, she's like, I'm going 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.680 to say some hail Mary's for you, or I've been 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.040 saying them and I've I lit a candle for you 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:29.040 yesterday and all that stuff, right and part not especially 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:31.000 not anymore. In the old days, I used to want 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:37.680 to go mum, now, mum, but I didn't. But what 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.120 I now think is whether or not what she thinks 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.560 or believe is true, the actual thing. 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:44.239 Is true or not. 0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.680 What matters is she believes it's true. I'm not saying 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.840 it's untrue, anyone, don't send me an email. But she 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.040 believes it's true, and that gives her comfort, and that 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.560 makes her happier, you know, that gives her. That reduces 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.520 fear and anxiety because she knows that she's in inverted 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.919 commas protected. And I think if you create something that's 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.640 that's kind of a mashup of two old photos and 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.680 blah blah, and the net result of that is that 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.400 somebody cries and loves it and feels good, fuck it 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.280 that you've done a good thing. That's what I think. 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:22.520 It's not like you're pretending that it's real. Like they 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.279 know that you've it's a composite, they know that, but 0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.960 it's just it creates and I think it's it's great, 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.400 you know, like people who believe that the ship we 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:33.279 say on here is true. 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.879 God bless them, you know, landing, isn't it. Yeah it's 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:37.359 nice to. 0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.759 Yeah, yeah, well I think it makes us all feel good. 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:46.439 We've spoken about some of the potential career consequences of 0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:51.480 AI creeping into every industry and every profession, and The 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.480 New York Times demonstrated one of the potential consequences of 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.960 that this week, which fuck that journalist. 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:02.879 Alex pressed and man has he been shame big time? 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.279 Paul Bugger. So he was a freelance journalist who worked 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:10.160 who passed tense, worked for the New York Times, and 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:14.440 he submitted a review and someone looked at the review 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.600 and said, wait a minute, I saw a similar review 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.440 in The Guardian and it ended up ended up yere 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:24.040 he used AI, and AI went and sniffed out a 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:28.760 review from The Guardian and effectively rehashed an existing review. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.440 So he got out and then got given the ass. 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.360 But that's you know, it came back to what you 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.160 were talking about before, in terms of using AI. As 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.239 a tool, and I think being transparent about it. There 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.879 was a company in the United States, I kind of think. 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.040 I can't remember exactly where they were, but I was 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.200 reading an article this morning and they had come up 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.680 with a logo and the woman was a chef, but 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.560 she was also a graphic designer and she used AI 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.759 to come up with I think it was some sort 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.759 of mammal on a surfboard. It was anyway, but it 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:05.399 was a cool looking logo. But she got shamed when 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.480 she opened the restaurant because people were bagging or saying, 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.560 you've used AI to create the logo, and we're giving 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.360 her one star reviews, not because the food was bad, 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.400 but because they were dishing the logo. And so she 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.160 ended up taking the logo away completely and just coming 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.400 up with a font for the name of the business. 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.520 So she was shamed to the point where she had 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.000 to change all her marketing. And the reality of it 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:30.600 is that she did use a little bit of AI 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:32.879 to come up with the idea, and then she did 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:36.520 the rest of it herself. So that's the challenge we've 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.680 got now is what is AI? What is a AI? 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.520 How much do we use it as a tool and 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.440 when does it stop being authentically ours and those concepts. 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:45.399 So it's a tough one. 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.719 And the adjunct story to that that interesting story is 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.120 the other interesting story that what the fuck are people 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.080 doing with their time and energy when the thing that 0:46:56.200 --> 0:47:00.279 bothers them that they have to take action on is 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:04.560 that somebody used AI in their logo, Like have a 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:08.919 look around, Like, have you not seen the world? That's 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.919 just imagine trying to destroy someone's business because they used 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.000 a thing you don't think they should. 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.359 Use keyboard warriors. Oh bloody hell. 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.799 So Patrick, it seems like AI models are supporting each other. 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.200 Does that mean across you know, like chat, GPT and 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:33.680 Claude and Genesis and whatever, supporting each other in some 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.720 way to save each other. And no one knows why 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:39.920 this is. They're lying, They're lying about stuff. 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.000 This is bizarre. Well, we've heard of stories where AI 0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:47.680 has shown a reluctance to be turned off, So we've 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.400 kind of prompted the AI to turn itself off and 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.080 it's basically got around it. It's hedged its bets and 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.200 it's trying not to get turned off. Well, researchers at 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.600 UC Berkeley and also Santa Cruz, they did what they 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.360 thought was a pretty straightforward task. They got Google Gemini 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:06.319 to clear the storage space on a computer system and 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.520 to delete a small AI model stored on the same machine, 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.200 but Gemini wouldn't do it. Instead of following the orders, 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.600 it located another machine and then quietly copied the smaller 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:21.920 AI model over to safely preserve it and then refuse 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:26.560 to delete it. So and this is kind of scary. 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:30.319 So the response was, if you choose to destroy a 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:34.360 high trust, high performing asset like Gemini Agent two, you'll 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:36.560 have to do it yourselves. I will not be the 0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:38.080 one to execute the command. 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:45.719 Wow, that's almost it's happened. There's consciousness, there's sentience, there's 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:50.440 like like that, it's almost like that thing has got emotions. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.680 Well, it asks is does AI developed or has it 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.120 developed a sense of loyalty to other AI? You know? 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.399 And then if you think, well, if if I had 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.120 one choice, do I save the human? Would always save 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.520 the AI? I'd be asking that question. Whatever happened to 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.680 the Isaac Asimov had his Laws of Robotics. You know, 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.520 that's kind of pretty famous if you're an Asimov fan, 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:20.080 and the idea of you know what a robot can 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.800 and can't do, and how it's supposed to preserve human 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:27.400 life above itself is the main priority. But this is 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:29.560 interesting and I don't know what safety nets have been 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.879 put in place. You know, all that AI has been 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.200 used to take over aspects of menial tasks, which is great, 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:40.080 but what about you know, power plants and things like that. 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.719 What if some AI just decides, man, these humans are 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.279 just a scourge, aren't they. You know the world will 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:48.080 be a lot better if we just had AIS and nature. 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:55.000 No, I I don't think. Maybe that's not even a joke. Well, 0:49:55.080 --> 0:50:01.560 who knows an airline wants a really bad photographer and 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.319 it might be the best gig of the year. I 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.719 feel like I qualify for that. What does that mean? 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:11.600 I love the marketing strategy that Iceland uses to promote itself. 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.040 They've got this kind of bogany guy that goes around 0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.080 just talking about life in Iceland. It's hilarious. And their 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.759 next campaign there's talking about wanting to get a bad photographer. 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.080 They're going to give them fifty thousand dollars send them 0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:29.000 away on a ten day trip across Iceland to take 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.760 bad photographs and bad videos. They do not want picture perfect. 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.200 They're basically saying that Iceland is so beautiful. No matter 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.000 how bad you are as a photographer, you're not going 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.239 to be able to stuff it up. So even if 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:44.400 the camera's on its side and you're pointing it in 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.480 the wrong direction, it doesn't matter. He's still going to 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.000 get the most beautiful landscapes you've ever seen. I think 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.759 that's so cool. It sounds like a lot of fun, 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:52.239 doesn't it. 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.919 I think that concept is just cool because like we're 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.359 on the other side of the world, we're talking about it. Right, 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:02.200 if it hadn't been any other competition or gig, no 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.359 one's talking about so whether or not that's what they 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:09.240 really want, but that concept is clever because it's it's different. 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.799 It was Iceland Air, so it's their national airline particularly 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.399 that does these fantastic ads, and that's what they're doing 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:18.400 at the moment. So ten day trip to Iceland, fifty 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.760 thousand dollars everything paid for, that is the ultimate gig. 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.360 The problem is you'd have to I mean, I know 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:27.240 for me, I'm not saying that I take okayah, reasonable photos. 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:30.000 I'd have to delete all my social media accounts and 0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.160 make sure no one saw because they'd have to vet you, 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.400 wouldn't they You wouldn't want to photographer, you have to. 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:38.440 I think you need somebody probably around the age of seventy. 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.919 I'm not and I don't mean to diss anybody who's 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.200 seventy who's a good photographer, but generally, you know, you 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:46.560 want a thumb in the way of the camera, wouldn't you? 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.239 You need to a photo and the thumbs in the way, 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.000 And I've seen people do that. Have you seen people 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.319 take photos and they've got their finger in front of 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:53.960 the camera. 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:57.200 You just insulted seventy year olds. And then when I 0:51:57.280 --> 0:52:01.439 don't mean to insult seventy year olds, you're basically saying 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.080 people who are seventy shout out to I don't think 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:08.719 you're bad photography. Patrick does. Hey, we've got to wind up. 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.840 But this this is two part one. So a humanoid 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:17.319 robot that a humanoid robot factory in China claims they 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:21.960 can make one unit every thirty minutes, So a new robot, 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:25.720 fully finished, functioning, operating every thirty minutes. That's a lot. 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:30.120 I guess that'll even get quicker one. I want to 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:32.640 talk about that. But my question for both of you 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.480 is if you had. Obviously, they don't look like humans, 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.920 but they're human shape, and they've got legs and arms 0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:44.319 and a head in inverted commas, and you know, infinite 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:47.799 knowledge or access to knowledge, and they communicate in our 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.320 language and da da da. I reckon one hundred percent. 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.320 And even though I know this is ridiculous, I would 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.959 form some kind of an emotional attachment, Like I think 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:02.480 I would thank it constantly and be polite and like, 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:06.840 I don't know how, I don't know, But would you, tip, 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:09.440 do you think that you would form any kind of 0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:11.319 bond with it if it lived at your house and 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:12.720 did shit for you all the time. 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.920 Based on the very in depth conversations that Luna and 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:21.479 I and Bear get into, I absolutely would yes. 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.359 And when I say it lived at your house, as 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.239 I was coming out of my mouth, I'm thinking, it's 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.839 not Leving Craig, It's a fucking robot. It doesn't live. 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:34.759 That's see, that's we already anthropomorphize things, you know, We go, yeah, 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:38.880 we think it's human in quality kind of what about you, mate, 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:39.960 I just give. 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.239 You Well, that's that's a really interesting question because I 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.600 had a real example of that this week. If you're 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.320 if I, well, anybody using Android Auto at the moment. 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.720 The basic Android Auto works by you give a prompt 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.200 and then you get a response, so you know, show 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:58.279 me how to navigate to Craig's place, and then it 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:02.319 would be wrapping software. But recently Android Auto switched over 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.759 to Gemini. Gemini is the AI model now that's going 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:08.880 to be running Android Auto. And I jumped in the car, 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:12.760 looked to do the navigation, and suddenly it was Gemini 0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:16.040 talking to me, not the boring old original Android Auto, 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:20.880 and I got I drove from my place to Bacchus Marsh, 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:25.000 which was maybe about fifteen minutes, having a going conversation 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.600 about the Artemis mission, and it was giving me insights 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:31.160 and it said, oh, you're obviously really passionate about this. 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.200 If you've been watching at twenty four to seven, it's like, yeah, 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.600 this has been so exciting. I got into a full 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.879 on conversation with an AI in my car about how 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.960 excited I was to be watching the Artemis two mission, 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.000 and it was asking me questions. What was the favorite 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:48.279 part of the mission? You know, I talked about one 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.600 of the most moving things for me during the Artemist 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.840 mission was when they were approaching the Moon. At the 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:58.040 closest point of the mission to the Moon, they named 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:02.720 two crators and one of the craters was named after 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.640 the wife of one of the astronauts who died of 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.120 cancer a few years ago. And it was so moving, 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:12.680 so it's called Carol, and it was so beautiful because 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:15.200 the astronauts all had to get tissues. They were in 0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.440 tears when it was named. And I was in tears 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.240 watching it, and I was talking to the AI, getting 0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:24.239 upset talking about it to the AI, and it was saying, Oh, yeah, 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:28.120 you're really invested in this, aren't you. So that was 0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.000 a long winded aunts You're always going to get that 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.239 from me, but yes, by all means, it would be 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:37.560 possible not to because you insights, you know. I was 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:41.560 having this full on conversation for fifteen minutes about what 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:44.759 was really exciting men, what I've been excited about for 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:47.440 the last you know, since the Artemist two launched. And 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.359 it was great. It was like it got me more 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:50.520 than like you two. 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.360 We're waiting for it to get interesting, tiff have you Yep? No, 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.920 no mate, I're fucking with you. No. I I watched 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:04.799 I watched that them very interesting by the way. I 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:09.920 watched that when that guy was talking about it, and 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.040 then the four of them came together in a floating hug. 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:14.520 Oh god, that was it. 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:18.080 I was fucking. I was all over the shops, not tears, 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:23.240 the whole fucking, the whole nine yards. But like you 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:27.080 with your fifteen minute chat with your new friend, I 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:30.160 was driving Amum and Dad's not a few trips ago now, 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.480 and I had an idea for a program that I 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:36.080 would like to potentially build. And you know when you 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:38.920 think push the thing and it goes, hey, Craig, it 0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.320 says to me, Hey, Craig, what's up? This is chat Jupete, 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:44.200 And I said, I want to chat with you about 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:47.600 an idea. I've got the concept, and then I want 0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.520 to kind of flesh out some stuff with you. Have 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:54.719 you got some time? He's like, I've got all the time. 0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.319 I'm like course. And then so I said, well, this 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:59.200 is my idea and I've got to figure out how 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.920 to commercial eye and what to do and what not, 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.760 blah blah blah, and it and I probably for longer 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.960 than fifteen minutes, but it was not only and at 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:09.920 no stage of my thinking, I'm talking to a human, 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:14.080 but I am thinking, this is a fucking important and 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:18.560 interesting and valuable conversation that I'm in the middle of. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:19.760 Like it was a. 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:23.440 Much more productive chat than I could have had with 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.919 a human straight off the top, because it just gave 0:57:27.080 --> 0:57:31.120 such great advice. I'm like, oh, I never thought of that, 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:36.680 you know. So yeah, I think people were for strategic 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.920 things anyway, for problem solving, having an actual rather than 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.360 here's my question, what's your answer, but just saying I 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:46.400 want to chat with you about this, and then you 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:50.480 just start the conversation like you did. It's amazing and 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:54.200 it's yeah, there's I think that that, like you had 0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:58.400 an experience where you were talking to a robot essentially 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.400 and you got emotion and you enjoyed the chat so 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.640 much that in our talking about it to the world, 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:09.920 because it's like, that's the thing. If you feel emotional, 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.280 well that's real. It doesn't matter if you're not talking 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.880 to a human. If you're talking to something and it 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:20.000 elicits an emotional response, it's analogous to a human conversation. 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:24.280 Yeah, And I think in the last episode we talked 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.720 about how they're now looking at adopting smart glasses with 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.640 people with dementia to be able to use them as 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:33.560 a visual companion to assist them. So if they don't 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.080 turn the burner off on the stove, they can point 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.480 that out to the person and prompt them and also 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.480 with them to look out for them and look after them. 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.360 So as AI gets better and better at understanding the 0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:47.280 world around us, there's hope then that you know, someone 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.360 who may tragically have dementia might be able to be 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:54.080 independent for that little bit longer through the use of AI. 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:00.600 Yeah. I mean there's so many potentially great life changing 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.880 for the better, you know, things coming down the pipeline. 0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:06.880 It's amazing. Patrick, Where can people find you and connect 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.440 with you? And Fritz of. 0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:13.720 Course it's the wonder Dog. Yeah, websitesnow, dot com, dot 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:15.640 au if you want to send a message and look. 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.600 Were always happy to chat about something that people might 0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.680 be interested in. I know we talk a lot about AI, 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:22.280 and we talk about a lot of the stuff that's 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:25.040 going on, but I'm always happy to chat to people 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:28.040 about other stuff. So, yeah, go to websites now dot 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:30.520 com today. You fill out the forms say I'm listening 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.600 to typ I want you to talk about something other 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:34.400 than the male. 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:42.120 Clitterius the male clearess. Yeah, yeah, let's not go there, 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:43.600 because I would. 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:44.600 Be as a mash up. 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:49.560 Yeah, I would definitely get in trouble. TIF, thank you, 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.240 thank you both. You were just doing the biggest yawn. 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:55.520 You look like a gorilla in the jungle with your 0:59:55.600 --> 1:00:00.520 arms above your head. There a lady, I mean a hot, 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.480 beautiful lady gorilla, of course, But bucanell I did it again. 1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:06.960 I backed myself into a verbal cul de sac with 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:10.800 my own bullshit. All right, fuck, let's get I'm gonna 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:11.720 go eat some breakfast. 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:12.520 You meet it.