WEBVTT - Don't be a banker 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:15.481 Approach a production. Episode four, Don't Be a Banker. I 0:00:15.521 --> 0:00:18.121 wanted to know if the NAB would make a comment 0:00:18.241 --> 0:00:21.001 on what happened with Dan. We'll get to what happened 0:00:21.041 --> 0:00:23.800 to him, how long he's spent in jail, and how 0:00:23.841 --> 0:00:28.041 it came tumbling down in the next few episodes. If 0:00:28.081 --> 0:00:30.121 you want to play catch up on the story so far, 0:00:30.681 --> 0:00:32.080 head back to the previous three. 0:00:31.961 --> 0:00:35.840 Episodes, because yeah, I was planting a lot and my 0:00:36.001 --> 0:00:38.281 view was to win the money back. Eventually they were 0:00:38.281 --> 0:00:40.360 going to pull it up my day. Luck, they've got 0:00:40.361 --> 0:00:42.521 to be watching and big brother's watching him. I can't 0:00:42.601 --> 0:00:49.400 think probably weeks five, six, and seven, we're all light strategy. 0:00:49.641 --> 0:00:53.441 Anyway, I called the NAB to see if they would 0:00:53.521 --> 0:01:04.121 make a comment. So I asked Dan, does he think 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.200 after the glitch that the bank changed their process? 0:01:08.881 --> 0:01:12.601 Bloody hope. So their motto at the time was more 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.920 give less, take and they just like just hit that 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.440 one out of the ballpark, didn't they. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.560 There was a moment with the NAB where you were 0:01:22.681 --> 0:01:26.280 getting money out and something happened in the ATM that, 0:01:26.521 --> 0:01:29.161 you know, is one of those moments that you see 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:30.961 or you think of and you go wow, that'd be 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.521 a really great shot in the movie. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.640 When depending on the branch. But when I'd walk away 0:01:36.721 --> 0:01:41.241 and there was there was windows, reflection in the windows 0:01:41.681 --> 0:01:46.321 would catch the NAB logo, and when you flip the 0:01:46.401 --> 0:01:51.961 NAB logo around, it says Dan, and it's kind of like, 0:01:52.041 --> 0:01:54.800 you know, it doesn't exactly say Dan, but it looks 0:01:54.881 --> 0:01:58.401 like Dan from from just a first glance. I used 0:01:58.401 --> 0:02:00.520 to always just see it and just sort of shake 0:02:00.561 --> 0:02:03.561 my head like there was some kind of high power 0:02:03.681 --> 0:02:07.961 or something and just yeah over the situation, like it 0:02:08.001 --> 0:02:12.121 was almost a yeah, just like a message from someone 0:02:12.121 --> 0:02:13.681 else that was universe. 0:02:15.881 --> 0:02:19.521 Dan was attracting attention and lots of attention from hangers 0:02:19.561 --> 0:02:23.001 on and people just wanting to be around him. I 0:02:23.041 --> 0:02:26.561 get the feeling. Although Dan's a pretty likable bloke, give 0:02:26.641 --> 0:02:29.321 him a wad of cash and some red Gucci shoes 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.800 and he becomes like Dan the lady Killer. 0:02:32.641 --> 0:02:36.761 Yeah, I was seeing. I was seeing a few women 0:02:37.001 --> 0:02:40.681 at the time. I would say most of the women 0:02:40.721 --> 0:02:45.041 I was seeing knew the situation for what it was, and 0:02:45.081 --> 0:02:48.241 it was pretty you know, it was fast money, like 0:02:48.921 --> 0:02:53.721 pretty average looking black. You know, I'm not no David 0:02:53.761 --> 0:02:56.881 Beckham here I'll give you an example. I felt like 0:02:57.601 --> 0:03:00.120 David Beckham sometimes. A few of the boys used to 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.721 have a nickname for me, Fat White CanYa, because like, 0:03:04.761 --> 0:03:07.161 all I wanted to do was go to nightclubs and 0:03:07.201 --> 0:03:10.361 get bottle service and stuff and just have a good time. 0:03:10.721 --> 0:03:13.361 I just wanted to like I just wanted to dance, 0:03:13.441 --> 0:03:15.800 Like I just wanted to have a good time. I 0:03:15.881 --> 0:03:18.520 just don't understand why. You know that's gone, you know, 0:03:18.761 --> 0:03:21.361 that's seen. You sort of been extracted from a lot 0:03:21.361 --> 0:03:23.481 of people's lives, you know, like that kind of you know, 0:03:23.761 --> 0:03:26.921 like yeah, just you know, work the week and just 0:03:27.001 --> 0:03:29.481 you know, like there will be a better place if 0:03:29.601 --> 0:03:31.121 at the end of the week, like everyone just went 0:03:31.161 --> 0:03:33.400 to a dance party and just chill it out a bit. 0:03:36.561 --> 0:03:39.641 It's nothing I've ever experienced in my life, and I 0:03:39.761 --> 0:03:43.121 doubt that I have a will, But having experienced at once, 0:03:43.241 --> 0:03:46.561 I don't think I really need to again. Like this 0:03:46.641 --> 0:03:49.281 girl walked out to me once, sup Like Megan, Girls 0:03:49.321 --> 0:03:53.641 like Megan Gail don't talk to danceaunders really Like they 0:03:53.721 --> 0:03:56.761 might say, Hi, excuse me, can you please move? I 0:03:56.801 --> 0:03:58.961 need to get to that other part of the store. 0:03:59.281 --> 0:04:01.881 They don't say, oh, they're not interested in me. Like, 0:04:02.361 --> 0:04:04.841 you know, it's fine with that before, but when some 0:04:05.161 --> 0:04:08.961 when you're getting this tension, it's very hard to turn 0:04:09.001 --> 0:04:11.841 around and ignore it. I had a woman walk up 0:04:11.881 --> 0:04:16.601 to me who was twelve out of ten and say 0:04:16.921 --> 0:04:20.241 that she was unequivocally the person that was taking me 0:04:20.361 --> 0:04:21.081 home that night. 0:04:21.601 --> 0:04:25.241 We're in this nightclub called East, which is a nightclub 0:04:26.001 --> 0:04:29.121 on the Gold Coast, and you know, she walks up 0:04:29.161 --> 0:04:31.200 and you know, she sort of said, I'm just gonna 0:04:31.241 --> 0:04:32.481 I'm just going to take her on to night. 0:04:32.681 --> 0:04:34.681 I don't know who you are, but like what you 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.121 what you're doing here? Like I love it? And you know, 0:04:38.161 --> 0:04:41.880 we're going to Negel and I'm just like, okay, it's great. 0:04:42.241 --> 0:04:45.561 That kind of attention had never happened to me before. 0:04:46.201 --> 0:04:48.720 So I was like, I was pretty I was pretty 0:04:48.721 --> 0:04:52.881 blown away by that. I knew that I wasn't the 0:04:53.401 --> 0:04:57.320 man that they thought I was, So you know, I 0:04:57.401 --> 0:05:00.001 used to take them out and buy them lots of 0:05:00.401 --> 0:05:02.921 great jewelry, and you know, whatever they wanted is to 0:05:02.961 --> 0:05:06.521 buy women whatever they wanted. I was, Yeah, I was 0:05:06.641 --> 0:05:10.241 very much you know, of the knowing that it will 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.001 end sometime. So you go home with the twelve out 0:05:14.001 --> 0:05:17.361 of ten. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.041 Was that a long standing relationship? 0:05:20.921 --> 0:05:24.361 I wouldn't call a long standing Whenever I was around 0:05:24.641 --> 0:05:26.880 whenever I was around the Gold Coast, I definitely saw 0:05:26.921 --> 0:05:27.320 each other. 0:05:27.641 --> 0:05:30.361 There's been a fair bit written about Dan and his story. 0:05:30.761 --> 0:05:33.440 As I went searching for research on getting together the 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.960 facts before we started the podcast, we found court records, 0:05:37.161 --> 0:05:40.281 lots of articles, and Dan supplied a whole bunch of 0:05:40.281 --> 0:05:42.161 things that we'll get to later. 0:05:41.921 --> 0:05:42.801 In this episode. 0:05:42.961 --> 0:05:45.880 For us, putting this podcast together wasn't to bash the bank. 0:05:46.241 --> 0:05:48.481 We'll let you make your own decisions on where you 0:05:48.521 --> 0:05:51.880 put your money. There was, however, some interesting info that 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.361 we uncovered while looking through research. A few years back, 0:05:56.561 --> 0:06:00.880 a major publication was ready to buy Dan's story. They 0:06:01.001 --> 0:06:03.921 had engaged a writer and Dan had sat down, similar 0:06:03.961 --> 0:06:08.960 to our chat Telly story. That story was squashed and 0:06:09.201 --> 0:06:13.241 we got to copy the email. Which shows why the 0:06:13.361 --> 0:06:17.441 email is between the writer and an editor at the publication. 0:06:18.201 --> 0:06:21.400 Is an excerpt, Hey Jack, I've got bad news. The 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.481 boss is killing this because it's just too hot. Nab 0:06:24.681 --> 0:06:27.241 happens to be one of our biggest accounts, and publishing 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.320 this will just cause too many problems. I'm really sorry 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.041 I didn't foresee this earlier. I literally had the article 0:06:33.121 --> 0:06:35.960 all ready to go and someone from client services picked 0:06:36.001 --> 0:06:38.241 up on the brand conflict. We are still going to 0:06:38.281 --> 0:06:39.760 process your invoice as a kill. 0:06:39.961 --> 0:06:43.121 That story and the writer ended up being published in 0:06:43.161 --> 0:06:45.921 a UK paper, and then a few months later the 0:06:45.961 --> 0:06:48.921 Australian publisher grabbed a story again and ran. 0:06:48.761 --> 0:06:49.641 The article. 0:06:51.161 --> 0:06:51.721 For us. 0:06:52.121 --> 0:06:55.121 Let's just raise a few questions. The big banks have 0:06:55.201 --> 0:06:58.841 big money and a story like this from Dan really 0:06:58.841 --> 0:07:02.081 does put a little doubt in your mind about how 0:07:02.121 --> 0:07:07.520 this could happen now and your money safe. We also 0:07:07.641 --> 0:07:10.761 learned of another bloke from New South Wales who was 0:07:10.801 --> 0:07:13.241 able to rip off a bank with a similar scam 0:07:13.761 --> 0:07:16.841 using his overdraft facility. We tried to get someone on 0:07:16.921 --> 0:07:19.241 from a bank, any bank, to give us their view. 0:07:19.561 --> 0:07:22.641 As you can imagine, no one would go on record. 0:07:23.001 --> 0:07:27.001 So let's move swiftly from the bank's no reply to 0:07:27.161 --> 0:07:31.441 Dan's debauchery. What about hookers and escorts and those sorts 0:07:31.481 --> 0:07:34.161 of things that was that a thing for you? 0:07:34.881 --> 0:07:37.681 Someone said, you know that in that movie A Pretty 0:07:37.681 --> 0:07:40.841 Woman Yep, And we're like, ah, it would be like 0:07:40.881 --> 0:07:43.481 to get like an escort to the to the hotel 0:07:43.561 --> 0:07:47.601 room and yeah, so we did it once and we're 0:07:47.641 --> 0:07:51.361 like there's a lot of messing around, like we can 0:07:51.401 --> 0:07:53.281 go to a bar and meet a lot of people, 0:07:53.601 --> 0:07:56.081 you know, like it's actually like a bit to organize, 0:07:56.161 --> 0:07:59.681 Like it's not it's not really fun to organize that. 0:08:00.041 --> 0:08:02.881 It was a good way at the time because I 0:08:02.921 --> 0:08:06.681 didn't know how many other people. I thought I was 0:08:06.681 --> 0:08:08.600 going to get caught for this and sort of hold 0:08:08.641 --> 0:08:11.441 over the colt Like I sort of had a feeling 0:08:11.481 --> 0:08:13.561 like I was going to be in an interrogation room 0:08:13.601 --> 0:08:15.761 one day and they were going to ask, you know, 0:08:16.321 --> 0:08:18.721 who was with you? What was going on? 0:08:18.961 --> 0:08:21.321 So I was like, ah, you know, I've got to 0:08:21.401 --> 0:08:23.441 have like a story. 0:08:23.521 --> 0:08:26.401 I've got to tell people what I spent the money 0:08:26.441 --> 0:08:28.161 on it, because I can't say I gave it to 0:08:28.201 --> 0:08:30.881 other people because I've just got to say that. Like 0:08:30.921 --> 0:08:32.801 so I said that I just went to like one 0:08:32.881 --> 0:08:36.601 hundred you know, escorts, because they're like, oh, yeah, you know, 0:08:36.881 --> 0:08:39.241 like I can't prove it. If you go to a 0:08:39.281 --> 0:08:41.681 bar and you're shouting the whole bar, you don't need 0:08:41.721 --> 0:08:44.721 to go you don't need to call an escort, like 0:08:44.761 --> 0:08:45.961 you've got plenty of attention. 0:08:46.361 --> 0:08:47.441 How would you coordinate? 0:08:47.641 --> 0:08:50.361 Like the phone would be going off like okay. Afterwards, 0:08:50.361 --> 0:08:52.401 I had to throw the phone away because people are 0:08:52.441 --> 0:08:55.521 still ringing, like thinking I was still rich. I was like, oh, 0:08:55.521 --> 0:08:57.081 I've got to get rid of this phone. This is 0:08:57.201 --> 0:08:59.441 like not good because I've got to hang over anyway, 0:08:59.641 --> 0:09:02.561 and now these people are ringing me, going oh hey, Dan, 0:09:02.681 --> 0:09:05.281 are you free? Where are you? You know? Like like 0:09:05.521 --> 0:09:06.801 what about drugs? 0:09:06.841 --> 0:09:07.841 That were they part. 0:09:07.721 --> 0:09:11.361 Of the scene. My drug was the ATM. That was 0:09:11.361 --> 0:09:16.441 my drug. So I used to I used to dabble 0:09:16.681 --> 0:09:20.001 like if people. People would always ask me for money 0:09:20.881 --> 0:09:25.081 to buy drugs all the time, flat out, like I 0:09:25.081 --> 0:09:28.881 got bored. I was like, nah, there's a drug guy, 0:09:29.321 --> 0:09:31.441 Like if you want drugs, you go to that guy. 0:09:31.681 --> 0:09:34.681 I don't understand about drugs. I'm don't I'm not interest. 0:09:34.721 --> 0:09:36.601 So you had a drug guy or there was just 0:09:36.641 --> 0:09:38.441 a drug guy in the in the scene. 0:09:38.441 --> 0:09:40.561 There's always a drug guy around, yeah, you know, and 0:09:40.681 --> 0:09:41.761 they just floating around. 0:09:41.841 --> 0:09:43.641 He should do to talk to yeah, but they were 0:09:43.681 --> 0:09:45.481 hitting you up for the cash to pay for it. 0:09:45.721 --> 0:09:49.001 Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember one night we were 0:09:49.041 --> 0:09:51.841 with a couple of couple of ladies and and they 0:09:51.841 --> 0:09:54.761 were in the they were in the hotel suite and 0:09:54.801 --> 0:09:56.961 they're like, oh, let's get some coke. Yeah, I want 0:09:56.961 --> 0:09:58.761 to get some coke. Like I've heard that, you know, 0:09:59.521 --> 0:10:01.081 Oh do you want to get some coke? Like about 0:10:01.121 --> 0:10:04.441 it a million times? Couldn't even any more boring. 0:10:04.441 --> 0:10:07.121 The truth, right, coachs for people who were fucking boring, 0:10:08.001 --> 0:10:10.761 they need like an extra you know, zip just to 0:10:10.801 --> 0:10:13.601 make the night, you know, go well, you know, they go, oh, 0:10:13.961 --> 0:10:16.681 you know, we want to buy two bags, so we 0:10:16.761 --> 0:10:19.361 need you know, it's like late at night, so we need. 0:10:19.121 --> 0:10:22.041 Like twelve hundred bucks. And I'm like, you know, I'm no, 0:10:22.241 --> 0:10:24.481 I'm not expert, but I know that twelve hundred bucks 0:10:24.481 --> 0:10:27.481 for two bags. It's like a lot of money. So 0:10:27.521 --> 0:10:30.561 I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, twelve twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, sure, 0:10:30.801 --> 0:10:34.801 you go twelve hundred bucks. And they left to go downstairs, 0:10:35.201 --> 0:10:37.401 and I just rang downstairs and say, you know those 0:10:37.441 --> 0:10:44.121 two people that left, Yeah, they're not coming back. I'd 0:10:44.161 --> 0:10:46.641 let people take the piss, like because ultimately I was, 0:10:47.601 --> 0:10:49.641 but I don't let them take the piss to a 0:10:49.641 --> 0:10:52.321 certain extent, like, you know, like if I knew something 0:10:52.441 --> 0:10:54.801 was like three hundred bucks and they asked him like 0:10:54.921 --> 0:10:57.881 four hundred, I'd be like, yeah, cool. But if someone 0:10:58.121 --> 0:11:00.801 asked me for like double the price or something, because 0:11:00.801 --> 0:11:03.081 I just knew they were or you know, the casino 0:11:03.201 --> 0:11:05.601 was a big one for all the casino playing, and 0:11:06.121 --> 0:11:07.881 I just had one hundred dollars chips and I'd just 0:11:07.921 --> 0:11:10.681 hand him out the casino. So, you know, we'd just 0:11:10.681 --> 0:11:13.721 be walking through Crown or wherever I was jupid, you know, 0:11:13.921 --> 0:11:18.841 like Jupiters or wherever I was. We'd we'd just walked 0:11:18.841 --> 0:11:21.881 through the casino and I'd just be handing out like 0:11:22.001 --> 0:11:25.041 black chips everywhere, just going, yeah, let's play, let's play. 0:11:25.201 --> 0:11:29.001 Oh you know Tom got a number? Yeah great, right, Yeah. 0:11:29.321 --> 0:11:31.081 I knew when people were just coming up, but they 0:11:31.081 --> 0:11:33.601 weren't gambling like I was like, oh yeah, you know, 0:11:34.041 --> 0:11:36.401 so the next day we'd just go, we just leave, 0:11:36.481 --> 0:11:38.281 and you know, we'd just leave that person there and 0:11:38.281 --> 0:11:41.721 they'd be calling flood out, going oh you know guys, 0:11:41.761 --> 0:11:42.641 you know, and I'd be. 0:11:42.601 --> 0:11:45.481 Like, nah, taking the piss, see you later. So who's 0:11:45.521 --> 0:11:47.521 in the who's in your main crew? How many people 0:11:47.521 --> 0:11:49.081 in that main crew that would go and crew? 0:11:49.321 --> 0:11:53.401 Main crew is about four or five. Yeah. Yeah, Like 0:11:53.601 --> 0:11:56.361 my friends had like fly in fly out rolls, so 0:11:56.361 --> 0:11:58.961 so they were a part of it for a time. 0:11:59.321 --> 0:12:01.841 And then I'd go to another group of friends, or 0:12:02.081 --> 0:12:04.401 you know, I'd spend a couple of days with you know, 0:12:05.881 --> 0:12:08.121 a lady I just met, or I'd spent you know, 0:12:08.241 --> 0:12:10.601 like it was just all it was just all random. 0:12:10.281 --> 0:12:11.201 And all quite fluid. 0:12:11.201 --> 0:12:14.641 Then I'm guessing too, right, absolutely, Like at the height 0:12:14.681 --> 0:12:18.321 of it, we had hotel suites in every city, so 0:12:18.481 --> 0:12:20.921 we would just fly between the cities and the party 0:12:20.921 --> 0:12:23.841 would still be going on in the other hotel suites. 0:12:23.881 --> 0:12:28.441 So hotel suites not booked but actually paid for you no, no, no, 0:12:28.521 --> 0:12:31.881 so people were in them, okay, knew yeah, like or 0:12:31.961 --> 0:12:36.921 knew off yeah, and we'd move in between. Yeah. So 0:12:37.001 --> 0:12:40.601 ultimately we'd pay the bill of all three hotel suites, 0:12:40.801 --> 0:12:43.001 but we'd only be in one at one certain time. 0:12:43.681 --> 0:12:47.161 Like most people, I've owed money before, I may have 0:12:47.361 --> 0:12:49.281 even had a call or two from a bank to 0:12:49.361 --> 0:12:54.161 ask if I'd forgotten to make a payment. Owing money 0:12:54.321 --> 0:12:57.841 makes you anxious, or at least it makes most people 0:12:58.401 --> 0:13:02.801 a little anxious. So how's Dan feeling owing one point 0:13:02.801 --> 0:13:06.041 six million bucks to the bank? They're starting to get 0:13:06.081 --> 0:13:07.081 anxious by this stage. 0:13:08.401 --> 0:13:11.201 Yeah, absolutely, Like I knew that. I was like, I 0:13:11.241 --> 0:13:13.241 thought I was going to go to jail, Like someone's 0:13:13.241 --> 0:13:14.841 going to be watching this. I thought it was on 0:13:14.881 --> 0:13:17.361 The Truman Show or something like someone had to be watching. 0:13:17.841 --> 0:13:20.561 Like I have dreams and stuff like I remember waking 0:13:20.641 --> 0:13:23.121 up in the middle of the night in a hotel 0:13:23.201 --> 0:13:28.201 suite at the Chambrila and I was like dreaming that 0:13:28.281 --> 0:13:32.201 the SWAT team was outside in a position three and 0:13:32.321 --> 0:13:36.521 four and about to burst in. You know, I don't 0:13:36.521 --> 0:13:38.481 know whether SPAT team is going to come because I 0:13:38.521 --> 0:13:43.441 was like using my ATM card like a madman. But anyway, 0:13:43.441 --> 0:13:46.961 the SWAT team is there and they said, oh look, 0:13:47.241 --> 0:13:51.081 you know, they said, you know, please open up. And 0:13:51.121 --> 0:13:53.641 I'm like, oh, you know, like this is it. And 0:13:53.681 --> 0:13:58.921 then the door burst open and that's when the dream ended. 0:13:59.841 --> 0:14:01.201 And I was like, I wake up in a pool 0:14:01.201 --> 0:14:04.201 of sweat and then the doorbell goes and I'm like. 0:14:04.201 --> 0:14:08.241 Oh, dreamt it like sick, this is it? And so 0:14:08.241 --> 0:14:12.601 how I opened up the door and there's this little 0:14:12.681 --> 0:14:16.761 lady there. She says, would you like some fresh towls? 0:14:18.121 --> 0:14:21.601 And I said, you know what, I will have some 0:14:21.641 --> 0:14:26.081 fresh dows because I'm sweating like an absolute. 0:14:25.561 --> 0:14:28.481 Monster, and she goes, are you all right, sir? Okay, Yeah, 0:14:28.641 --> 0:14:32.521 I'm okay, but thanks for bringing the towels. So I'd 0:14:32.521 --> 0:14:36.001 be absolutely wide right. So I'd go for I at 0:14:36.041 --> 0:14:38.241 a routine where I'd go for like day spa every 0:14:38.281 --> 0:14:41.801 morning just to cleanse, you know, sweat it out, get 0:14:41.801 --> 0:14:44.601 in the sauna. It was big, Like every night was massive. 0:14:44.641 --> 0:14:47.561 So I was like, it's very much a cleansing period 0:14:47.601 --> 0:14:51.481 in the morning, get a massage wherever I was, hot rocks, 0:14:51.521 --> 0:14:54.281 all that kind of stuff. The lady I'd go down 0:14:54.281 --> 0:14:57.841 there with so much anxiety, like the messseuse was like 0:14:58.041 --> 0:15:03.521 are you Like, are you okay? I'm like, well, yeah, 0:15:03.681 --> 0:15:07.401 like I'm fine, but she said, you're obviously not fine. 0:15:07.481 --> 0:15:11.081 I'm like, no, I'm not really fine, but but don't 0:15:11.121 --> 0:15:13.721 tell anyone I'm not fine because I'm fine. I'm good. 0:15:13.961 --> 0:15:16.641 It was okay. Yeah, it was starting to get like 0:15:17.441 --> 0:15:22.441 physical symptoms of being quite quite anxious. But I learned, 0:15:22.441 --> 0:15:27.441 you know, for being anxious. I was down in the 0:15:27.481 --> 0:15:29.201 lobby once and I felt like I was going to 0:15:29.201 --> 0:15:34.441 have a heart attack, and this doctor comes over and 0:15:34.481 --> 0:15:36.001 he says, oh, you're all right, and I said, I 0:15:36.041 --> 0:15:39.361 don't feel well at all. And he said, I don't 0:15:39.361 --> 0:15:41.481 think you're having a heart attack, but I think you 0:15:41.561 --> 0:15:45.561 could be having an anxiety attack. And he said, you know, 0:15:46.281 --> 0:15:50.241 is there any stress going on in your life? I'm like, yeah, 0:15:50.441 --> 0:15:53.361 a fair bit. And he's like, well, that could be 0:15:53.681 --> 0:15:56.881 a direct result of distress, you know, like maybe better, 0:15:57.041 --> 0:15:59.561 you know, try and take it easy. And he gave me. 0:15:59.921 --> 0:16:01.841 He gave me like a script for some valium. And 0:16:01.921 --> 0:16:06.681 it's very nice, I said. The reception, I said, make 0:16:06.721 --> 0:16:08.521 sure he's send a bottle of champagne to his room, 0:16:08.561 --> 0:16:10.721 because he's a good blow. So I worked out that, 0:16:10.761 --> 0:16:13.761 you know, I had anxiety because you know, like I 0:16:13.761 --> 0:16:17.681 have palpitations in my chest and stuff and you know, 0:16:18.121 --> 0:16:21.401 but all masked with a you know, like you you 0:16:21.401 --> 0:16:24.121 can mask it all with a bottle of polish. To 0:16:24.201 --> 0:16:26.881 Winston Churchill, that's sort the anxiety, right, you know what 0:16:26.921 --> 0:16:29.041 I mean. I learned how to manage it. Like I 0:16:29.081 --> 0:16:31.921 didn't become addictive valium or anything. Like. I had a 0:16:31.961 --> 0:16:34.481 few valuum here and there just to just to calm 0:16:34.521 --> 0:16:37.161 things down. But yeah, I sort of learned how to 0:16:37.321 --> 0:16:39.321 how to deal with it. And I just got myself 0:16:39.361 --> 0:16:42.121 into a bit of a bit of a rhythm. After that, 0:16:45.401 --> 0:16:51.001 I'm just spending more money that I earn in a 0:16:51.241 --> 0:16:59.321 year in a day. So literally all day, every day, 0:16:59.561 --> 0:17:06.481 I'm just giving money away. If I went out for lunch, 0:17:06.801 --> 0:17:10.721 be a massive tip, I'd pay for another table as well. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:16.441 Or we'd rent houses. So the Yarrow Valley in Melbourne, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.001 we ran like this massive house, drove around to all 0:17:21.041 --> 0:17:26.281 the hired a mini bus, drove around to all the 0:17:26.321 --> 0:17:29.880 different backpackers around town, and just decided to have a 0:17:30.321 --> 0:17:34.480 backpacker party at the estate in the Yarraw Valley. Hi 0:17:34.761 --> 0:17:37.240 you DJ. Everyone set it up, you know, all that 0:17:37.321 --> 0:17:46.240 kind of thing. Put it in just ways that we 0:17:46.281 --> 0:17:51.721 could offload. Cash just came flowing through. So I remember 0:17:52.201 --> 0:17:56.121 I was walking past Via Wang the bridle shop in 0:17:56.481 --> 0:18:01.240 the Intercontinental and Sydney, and the lady I was with said, oh, 0:18:01.321 --> 0:18:03.120 you know, I wish I could afford you know, I 0:18:03.120 --> 0:18:04.960 wish I could have a dress like that for my wedding. 0:18:05.360 --> 0:18:08.000 Let's buy it. Let's buy it right now. And so 0:18:08.041 --> 0:18:10.321 we just went and bought it straight off the rack. 0:18:10.801 --> 0:18:15.041 And then I just had a suit and we just 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.201 went out and pretended we just got married, then people 0:18:18.281 --> 0:18:21.761 buy our strings. It was just constantly just like little 0:18:22.241 --> 0:18:24.721 just little things like that, just over and over, camp 0:18:24.761 --> 0:18:27.641 like it just I think I loved the glitch more 0:18:27.681 --> 0:18:31.361 than anything else. Like I didn't. I wasn't really feeling 0:18:31.481 --> 0:18:35.520 like the power of the money was grabbing me. I 0:18:35.561 --> 0:18:38.440 didn't really like I can take or leave the money. 0:18:38.521 --> 0:18:40.640 I didn't really care about it. But it's more what 0:18:40.681 --> 0:18:44.160 the money could do. It'd take like the average situation 0:18:44.761 --> 0:18:48.360 and just turn it into something unbelievable. And that's the 0:18:48.360 --> 0:18:51.521 bit that I loved about it. I became addicted to 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.960 shouting people's stuff, like just going I'll get that. It 0:18:55.001 --> 0:18:59.641 was in the Terrace restaurant at Flemington race Course, buying 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.440 bottles of don Peranion like they're going out of fashion. 0:19:02.761 --> 0:19:04.521 Hey what are you doing? Come and have a drink 0:19:04.521 --> 0:19:08.120 with us, you know, just just getting everyone in on 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.440 the ride and answering the phone and saying, yep, it 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:13.801 was me, it's me. 0:19:14.281 --> 0:19:17.361 And that phone call was the nab, just checking that 0:19:17.441 --> 0:19:18.961 you just bought everyone. 0:19:19.521 --> 0:19:21.680 I bought the Dom Flemington. 0:19:22.201 --> 0:19:25.481 That anxiety that you were having. That was that about 0:19:25.761 --> 0:19:27.801 the glitch? Ending was it about going to jail? 0:19:28.481 --> 0:19:35.401 I think it's it wasn't purely conscious because I had 0:19:35.441 --> 0:19:39.561 people around me, like I was, like, the only people 0:19:39.921 --> 0:19:44.521 are being it's a bank and that's the reason why 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.680 it all started and like that, and it kept going 0:19:47.801 --> 0:19:51.121 like that because it was like, you've got an opportunity, 0:19:51.681 --> 0:19:54.360 like what would the bank do in your situation? The 0:19:54.441 --> 0:19:59.400 bank could sink the sink the heels in. So that's 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.961 what we've got to do. We owe it to the 0:20:02.001 --> 0:20:07.241 world to stick our heels in because we can right now, 0:20:07.281 --> 0:20:09.360 because that's the only way you get it. And that 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.961 doesn't make it right, but that's ultimately what we were doing. 0:20:13.801 --> 0:20:16.161 So that's you know, that was the rush. Now, that's 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.241 how we got That's how I got through it. That's 0:20:19.281 --> 0:20:22.761 how I kept setting the alarm kept going. And also 0:20:23.241 --> 0:20:24.921 you know, women who were twelve out of teen coming 0:20:25.001 --> 0:20:26.361 up and telling me that they were going to take 0:20:26.360 --> 0:20:28.920 them home tonight. But that's that's something that's hard to 0:20:28.921 --> 0:20:30.321 walk away from at times. 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:32.801 Dan, did you think you were doing something wrong? Did 0:20:32.801 --> 0:20:35.441 you think you were being doing something illegal at this stage? 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.681 Absolutely you did. Yeah, Like I knew it was illegal 0:20:38.921 --> 0:20:42.920 for sure. I mean, you can tell yourself whatever you 0:20:42.921 --> 0:20:44.960 want to tell yourself. I mean, you know, I felt 0:20:44.961 --> 0:20:47.200 bad about it. I used to feel bad about it, 0:20:47.241 --> 0:20:51.241 but since the Royal Commission and seeing their conduct and 0:20:51.521 --> 0:20:54.920 how they are, like, I felt less bad about it, 0:20:54.961 --> 0:20:57.920 that's for sure. I feel like there's one guy that's 0:20:58.001 --> 0:21:01.200 like it was his job, like to make sure that 0:21:01.761 --> 0:21:05.440 you couldn't transfer money that you didn't have. Felt like 0:21:05.481 --> 0:21:08.761 he probably won't have a job anymore, and like I 0:21:08.801 --> 0:21:11.161 feel bad about that. You know, someone told me once 0:21:11.241 --> 0:21:14.281 like you took money off the shareholders. I was like, well, 0:21:14.281 --> 0:21:16.481 the shareholders just in on the hustle. Like if you 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.681 buy shares in something and you know what their conduct 0:21:19.761 --> 0:21:22.481 is and you can sleep well at night, they're good 0:21:22.481 --> 0:21:25.481 on you. But blokes like me, and there's a lot 0:21:25.521 --> 0:21:30.681 of us who if there's an inch, we'll take it, 0:21:31.041 --> 0:21:34.521 you know, because we don't necessarily think that the system 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.841 is the most amazing thing in the world. There's people 0:21:38.001 --> 0:21:41.200 out there who were playing the game just like me, 0:21:42.041 --> 0:21:44.920 who if they had a chance to do something like this, 0:21:45.360 --> 0:21:48.880 they absolutely would because they contact me every day. I 0:21:48.961 --> 0:21:49.761 know exactly. 0:21:50.120 --> 0:21:55.281 I don't understand why people who are in control are 0:21:55.281 --> 0:22:00.881 in control, Like why is finance and you know banks, 0:22:00.921 --> 0:22:03.840