Speaker 1: Approach a production. Episode four, Don't Be a Banker. I
Speaker 1: wanted to know if the NAB would make a comment
Speaker 1: on what happened with Dan. We'll get to what happened
Speaker 1: to him, how long he's spent in jail, and how
Speaker 1: it came tumbling down in the next few episodes. If
Speaker 1: you want to play catch up on the story so far,
Speaker 1: head back to the previous three.
Speaker 2: Episodes, because yeah, I was planting a lot and my
Speaker 2: view was to win the money back. Eventually they were
Speaker 2: going to pull it up my day. Luck, they've got
Speaker 2: to be watching and big brother's watching him. I can't
Speaker 2: think probably weeks five, six, and seven, we're all light strategy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I called the NAB to see if they would
Speaker 3: make a comment. So I asked Dan, does he think
Speaker 3: after the glitch that the bank changed their process?
Speaker 2: Bloody hope. So their motto at the time was more
Speaker 2: give less, take and they just like just hit that
Speaker 2: one out of the ballpark, didn't they.
Speaker 1: There was a moment with the NAB where you were
Speaker 1: getting money out and something happened in the ATM that,
Speaker 1: you know, is one of those moments that you see
Speaker 1: or you think of and you go wow, that'd be
Speaker 1: a really great shot in the movie.
Speaker 2: When depending on the branch. But when I'd walk away
Speaker 2: and there was there was windows, reflection in the windows
Speaker 2: would catch the NAB logo, and when you flip the
Speaker 2: NAB logo around, it says Dan, and it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't exactly say Dan, but it looks
Speaker 2: like Dan from from just a first glance. I used
Speaker 2: to always just see it and just sort of shake
Speaker 2: my head like there was some kind of high power
Speaker 2: or something and just yeah over the situation, like it
Speaker 2: was almost a yeah, just like a message from someone
Speaker 2: else that was universe.
Speaker 1: Dan was attracting attention and lots of attention from hangers
Speaker 1: on and people just wanting to be around him. I
Speaker 1: get the feeling. Although Dan's a pretty likable bloke, give
Speaker 1: him a wad of cash and some red Gucci shoes
Speaker 1: and he becomes like Dan the lady Killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was seeing. I was seeing a few women
Speaker 2: at the time. I would say most of the women
Speaker 2: I was seeing knew the situation for what it was, and
Speaker 2: it was pretty you know, it was fast money, like
Speaker 2: pretty average looking black. You know, I'm not no David
Speaker 2: Beckham here I'll give you an example. I felt like
Speaker 2: David Beckham sometimes. A few of the boys used to
Speaker 2: have a nickname for me, Fat White CanYa, because like,
Speaker 2: all I wanted to do was go to nightclubs and
Speaker 2: get bottle service and stuff and just have a good time.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to like I just wanted to dance,
Speaker 2: Like I just wanted to have a good time. I
Speaker 2: just don't understand why. You know that's gone, you know,
Speaker 2: that's seen. You sort of been extracted from a lot
Speaker 2: of people's lives, you know, like that kind of you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, just you know, work the week and just
Speaker 2: you know, like there will be a better place if
Speaker 2: at the end of the week, like everyone just went
Speaker 2: to a dance party and just chill it out a bit.
Speaker 2: It's nothing I've ever experienced in my life, and I
Speaker 2: doubt that I have a will, But having experienced at once,
Speaker 2: I don't think I really need to again. Like this
Speaker 2: girl walked out to me once, sup Like Megan, Girls
Speaker 2: like Megan Gail don't talk to danceaunders really Like they
Speaker 2: might say, Hi, excuse me, can you please move? I
Speaker 2: need to get to that other part of the store.
Speaker 2: They don't say, oh, they're not interested in me. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's fine with that before, but when some
Speaker 2: when you're getting this tension, it's very hard to turn
Speaker 2: around and ignore it. I had a woman walk up
Speaker 2: to me who was twelve out of ten and say
Speaker 2: that she was unequivocally the person that was taking me
Speaker 2: home that night.
Speaker 4: We're in this nightclub called East, which is a nightclub
Speaker 4: on the Gold Coast, and you know, she walks up
Speaker 4: and you know, she sort of said, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: I'm just going to take her on to night.
Speaker 2: I don't know who you are, but like what you
Speaker 2: what you're doing here? Like I love it? And you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to Negel and I'm just like, okay, it's great.
Speaker 2: That kind of attention had never happened to me before.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I was pretty I was pretty
Speaker 2: blown away by that. I knew that I wasn't the
Speaker 2: man that they thought I was, So you know, I
Speaker 2: used to take them out and buy them lots of
Speaker 2: great jewelry, and you know, whatever they wanted is to
Speaker 2: buy women whatever they wanted. I was, Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: very much you know, of the knowing that it will
Speaker 2: end sometime. So you go home with the twelve out
Speaker 2: of ten. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Was that a long standing relationship?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call a long standing Whenever I was around
Speaker 2: whenever I was around the Gold Coast, I definitely saw
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 1: There's been a fair bit written about Dan and his story.
Speaker 1: As I went searching for research on getting together the
Speaker 1: facts before we started the podcast, we found court records,
Speaker 1: lots of articles, and Dan supplied a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: things that we'll get to later.
Speaker 2: In this episode.
Speaker 1: For us, putting this podcast together wasn't to bash the bank.
Speaker 1: We'll let you make your own decisions on where you
Speaker 1: put your money. There was, however, some interesting info that
Speaker 1: we uncovered while looking through research. A few years back,
Speaker 1: a major publication was ready to buy Dan's story. They
Speaker 1: had engaged a writer and Dan had sat down, similar
Speaker 1: to our chat Telly story. That story was squashed and
Speaker 1: we got to copy the email. Which shows why the
Speaker 1: email is between the writer and an editor at the publication.
Speaker 5: Is an excerpt, Hey Jack, I've got bad news. The
Speaker 5: boss is killing this because it's just too hot. Nab
Speaker 5: happens to be one of our biggest accounts, and publishing
Speaker 5: this will just cause too many problems. I'm really sorry
Speaker 5: I didn't foresee this earlier. I literally had the article
Speaker 5: all ready to go and someone from client services picked
Speaker 5: up on the brand conflict. We are still going to
Speaker 5: process your invoice as a kill.
Speaker 1: That story and the writer ended up being published in
Speaker 1: a UK paper, and then a few months later the
Speaker 1: Australian publisher grabbed a story again and ran.
Speaker 2: The article.
Speaker 3: For us.
Speaker 1: Let's just raise a few questions. The big banks have
Speaker 1: big money and a story like this from Dan really
Speaker 1: does put a little doubt in your mind about how
Speaker 1: this could happen now and your money safe. We also
Speaker 1: learned of another bloke from New South Wales who was
Speaker 1: able to rip off a bank with a similar scam
Speaker 1: using his overdraft facility. We tried to get someone on
Speaker 1: from a bank, any bank, to give us their view.
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, no one would go on record.
Speaker 1: So let's move swiftly from the bank's no reply to
Speaker 1: Dan's debauchery. What about hookers and escorts and those sorts
Speaker 1: of things that was that a thing for you?
Speaker 2: Someone said, you know that in that movie A Pretty
Speaker 2: Woman Yep, And we're like, ah, it would be like
Speaker 2: to get like an escort to the to the hotel
Speaker 2: room and yeah, so we did it once and we're
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of messing around, like we can
Speaker 2: go to a bar and meet a lot of people,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's actually like a bit to organize,
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not really fun to organize that.
Speaker 2: It was a good way at the time because I
Speaker 2: didn't know how many other people. I thought I was
Speaker 2: going to get caught for this and sort of hold
Speaker 2: over the colt Like I sort of had a feeling
Speaker 2: like I was going to be in an interrogation room
Speaker 2: one day and they were going to ask, you know,
Speaker 2: who was with you? What was going on?
Speaker 6: So I was like, ah, you know, I've got to
Speaker 6: have like a story.
Speaker 2: I've got to tell people what I spent the money
Speaker 2: on it, because I can't say I gave it to
Speaker 2: other people because I've just got to say that. Like
Speaker 2: so I said that I just went to like one
Speaker 2: hundred you know, escorts, because they're like, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like I can't prove it. If you go to a
Speaker 2: bar and you're shouting the whole bar, you don't need
Speaker 2: to go you don't need to call an escort, like
Speaker 2: you've got plenty of attention.
Speaker 1: How would you coordinate?
Speaker 2: Like the phone would be going off like okay. Afterwards,
Speaker 2: I had to throw the phone away because people are
Speaker 2: still ringing, like thinking I was still rich. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've got to get rid of this phone. This is
Speaker 2: like not good because I've got to hang over anyway,
Speaker 2: and now these people are ringing me, going oh hey, Dan,
Speaker 2: are you free? Where are you? You know? Like like
Speaker 2: what about drugs?
Speaker 1: That were they part.
Speaker 2: Of the scene. My drug was the ATM. That was
Speaker 2: my drug. So I used to I used to dabble
Speaker 2: like if people. People would always ask me for money
Speaker 2: to buy drugs all the time, flat out, like I
Speaker 2: got bored. I was like, nah, there's a drug guy,
Speaker 2: Like if you want drugs, you go to that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't understand about drugs. I'm don't I'm not interest.
Speaker 1: So you had a drug guy or there was just
Speaker 1: a drug guy in the in the scene.
Speaker 2: There's always a drug guy around, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 2: they just floating around.
Speaker 1: He should do to talk to yeah, but they were
Speaker 1: hitting you up for the cash to pay for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember one night we were
Speaker 2: with a couple of couple of ladies and and they
Speaker 2: were in the they were in the hotel suite and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, let's get some coke. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to get some coke. Like I've heard that, you know,
Speaker 2: Oh do you want to get some coke? Like about
Speaker 2: it a million times? Couldn't even any more boring.
Speaker 7: The truth, right, coachs for people who were fucking boring,
Speaker 7: they need like an extra you know, zip just to
Speaker 7: make the night, you know, go well, you know, they go, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, we want to buy two bags, so we
Speaker 7: need you know, it's like late at night, so we need.
Speaker 2: Like twelve hundred bucks. And I'm like, you know, I'm no,
Speaker 2: I'm not expert, but I know that twelve hundred bucks
Speaker 2: for two bags. It's like a lot of money. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, twelve twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: you go twelve hundred bucks. And they left to go downstairs,
Speaker 2: and I just rang downstairs and say, you know those
Speaker 2: two people that left, Yeah, they're not coming back. I'd
Speaker 2: let people take the piss, like because ultimately I was,
Speaker 2: but I don't let them take the piss to a
Speaker 2: certain extent, like, you know, like if I knew something
Speaker 2: was like three hundred bucks and they asked him like
Speaker 2: four hundred, I'd be like, yeah, cool. But if someone
Speaker 2: asked me for like double the price or something, because
Speaker 2: I just knew they were or you know, the casino
Speaker 2: was a big one for all the casino playing, and
Speaker 2: I just had one hundred dollars chips and I'd just
Speaker 2: hand him out the casino. So, you know, we'd just
Speaker 2: be walking through Crown or wherever I was jupid, you know,
Speaker 2: like Jupiters or wherever I was. We'd we'd just walked
Speaker 2: through the casino and I'd just be handing out like
Speaker 2: black chips everywhere, just going, yeah, let's play, let's play.
Speaker 2: Oh you know Tom got a number? Yeah great, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I knew when people were just coming up, but they
Speaker 2: weren't gambling like I was like, oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so the next day we'd just go, we just leave,
Speaker 2: and you know, we'd just leave that person there and
Speaker 2: they'd be calling flood out, going oh you know guys,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, nah, taking the piss, see you later. So who's
Speaker 1: in the who's in your main crew? How many people
Speaker 1: in that main crew that would go and crew?
Speaker 2: Main crew is about four or five. Yeah. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: my friends had like fly in fly out rolls, so
Speaker 2: so they were a part of it for a time.
Speaker 2: And then I'd go to another group of friends, or
Speaker 2: you know, I'd spend a couple of days with you know,
Speaker 2: a lady I just met, or I'd spent you know,
Speaker 2: like it was just all it was just all random.
Speaker 1: And all quite fluid.
Speaker 2: Then I'm guessing too, right, absolutely, Like at the height
Speaker 2: of it, we had hotel suites in every city, so
Speaker 2: we would just fly between the cities and the party
Speaker 2: would still be going on in the other hotel suites.
Speaker 2: So hotel suites not booked but actually paid for you no, no, no,
Speaker 2: so people were in them, okay, knew yeah, like or
Speaker 2: knew off yeah, and we'd move in between. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: ultimately we'd pay the bill of all three hotel suites,
Speaker 2: but we'd only be in one at one certain time.
Speaker 1: Like most people, I've owed money before, I may have
Speaker 1: even had a call or two from a bank to
Speaker 1: ask if I'd forgotten to make a payment. Owing money
Speaker 1: makes you anxious, or at least it makes most people
Speaker 1: a little anxious. So how's Dan feeling owing one point
Speaker 1: six million bucks to the bank? They're starting to get
Speaker 1: anxious by this stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Like I knew that. I was like, I
Speaker 2: thought I was going to go to jail, Like someone's
Speaker 2: going to be watching this. I thought it was on
Speaker 2: The Truman Show or something like someone had to be watching.
Speaker 2: Like I have dreams and stuff like I remember waking
Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night in a hotel
Speaker 2: suite at the Chambrila and I was like dreaming that
Speaker 2: the SWAT team was outside in a position three and
Speaker 2: four and about to burst in. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: know whether SPAT team is going to come because I
Speaker 2: was like using my ATM card like a madman. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the SWAT team is there and they said, oh look,
Speaker 2: you know, they said, you know, please open up. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you know, like this is it. And
Speaker 2: then the door burst open and that's when the dream ended.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I wake up in a pool
Speaker 2: of sweat and then the doorbell goes and I'm like.
Speaker 8: Oh, dreamt it like sick, this is it? And so
Speaker 8: how I opened up the door and there's this little
Speaker 8: lady there. She says, would you like some fresh towls?
Speaker 8: And I said, you know what, I will have some
Speaker 8: fresh dows because I'm sweating like an absolute.
Speaker 2: Monster, and she goes, are you all right, sir? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm okay, but thanks for bringing the towels. So I'd
Speaker 2: be absolutely wide right. So I'd go for I at
Speaker 2: a routine where I'd go for like day spa every
Speaker 2: morning just to cleanse, you know, sweat it out, get
Speaker 2: in the sauna. It was big, Like every night was massive.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's very much a cleansing period
Speaker 2: in the morning, get a massage wherever I was, hot rocks,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. The lady I'd go down
Speaker 2: there with so much anxiety, like the messseuse was like
Speaker 2: are you Like, are you okay? I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I'm fine, but she said, you're obviously not fine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not really fine, but but don't
Speaker 2: tell anyone I'm not fine because I'm fine. I'm good.
Speaker 2: It was okay. Yeah, it was starting to get like
Speaker 2: physical symptoms of being quite quite anxious. But I learned,
Speaker 2: you know, for being anxious. I was down in the
Speaker 2: lobby once and I felt like I was going to
Speaker 2: have a heart attack, and this doctor comes over and
Speaker 2: he says, oh, you're all right, and I said, I
Speaker 2: don't feel well at all. And he said, I don't
Speaker 2: think you're having a heart attack, but I think you
Speaker 2: could be having an anxiety attack. And he said, you know,
Speaker 2: is there any stress going on in your life? I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: a fair bit. And he's like, well, that could be
Speaker 2: a direct result of distress, you know, like maybe better,
Speaker 2: you know, try and take it easy. And he gave me.
Speaker 2: He gave me like a script for some valium. And
Speaker 2: it's very nice, I said. The reception, I said, make
Speaker 2: sure he's send a bottle of champagne to his room,
Speaker 2: because he's a good blow. So I worked out that,
Speaker 2: you know, I had anxiety because you know, like I
Speaker 2: have palpitations in my chest and stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: but all masked with a you know, like you you
Speaker 2: can mask it all with a bottle of polish. To
Speaker 2: Winston Churchill, that's sort the anxiety, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I learned how to manage it. Like I
Speaker 2: didn't become addictive valium or anything. Like. I had a
Speaker 2: few valuum here and there just to just to calm
Speaker 2: things down. But yeah, I sort of learned how to
Speaker 2: how to deal with it. And I just got myself
Speaker 2: into a bit of a bit of a rhythm. After that,
Speaker 2: I'm just spending more money that I earn in a
Speaker 2: year in a day. So literally all day, every day,
Speaker 2: I'm just giving money away. If I went out for lunch,
Speaker 2: be a massive tip, I'd pay for another table as well.
Speaker 2: Or we'd rent houses. So the Yarrow Valley in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: we ran like this massive house, drove around to all
Speaker 2: the hired a mini bus, drove around to all the
Speaker 2: different backpackers around town, and just decided to have a
Speaker 2: backpacker party at the estate in the Yarraw Valley. Hi
Speaker 2: you DJ. Everyone set it up, you know, all that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Put it in just ways that we
Speaker 2: could offload. Cash just came flowing through. So I remember
Speaker 2: I was walking past Via Wang the bridle shop in
Speaker 2: the Intercontinental and Sydney, and the lady I was with said, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I wish I could afford you know, I
Speaker 2: wish I could have a dress like that for my wedding.
Speaker 2: Let's buy it. Let's buy it right now. And so
Speaker 2: we just went and bought it straight off the rack.
Speaker 2: And then I just had a suit and we just
Speaker 2: went out and pretended we just got married, then people
Speaker 2: buy our strings. It was just constantly just like little
Speaker 2: just little things like that, just over and over, camp
Speaker 2: like it just I think I loved the glitch more
Speaker 2: than anything else. Like I didn't. I wasn't really feeling
Speaker 2: like the power of the money was grabbing me. I
Speaker 2: didn't really like I can take or leave the money.
Speaker 2: I didn't really care about it. But it's more what
Speaker 2: the money could do. It'd take like the average situation
Speaker 2: and just turn it into something unbelievable. And that's the
Speaker 2: bit that I loved about it. I became addicted to
Speaker 2: shouting people's stuff, like just going I'll get that. It
Speaker 2: was in the Terrace restaurant at Flemington race Course, buying
Speaker 2: bottles of don Peranion like they're going out of fashion.
Speaker 2: Hey what are you doing? Come and have a drink
Speaker 2: with us, you know, just just getting everyone in on
Speaker 2: the ride and answering the phone and saying, yep, it
Speaker 2: was me, it's me.
Speaker 1: And that phone call was the nab, just checking that
Speaker 1: you just bought everyone.
Speaker 2: I bought the Dom Flemington.
Speaker 1: That anxiety that you were having. That was that about
Speaker 1: the glitch? Ending was it about going to jail?
Speaker 2: I think it's it wasn't purely conscious because I had
Speaker 2: people around me, like I was, like, the only people
Speaker 2: are being it's a bank and that's the reason why
Speaker 2: it all started and like that, and it kept going
Speaker 2: like that because it was like, you've got an opportunity,
Speaker 2: like what would the bank do in your situation? The
Speaker 2: bank could sink the sink the heels in. So that's
Speaker 2: what we've got to do. We owe it to the
Speaker 2: world to stick our heels in because we can right now,
Speaker 2: because that's the only way you get it. And that
Speaker 2: doesn't make it right, but that's ultimately what we were doing.
Speaker 2: So that's you know, that was the rush. Now, that's
Speaker 2: how we got That's how I got through it. That's
Speaker 2: how I kept setting the alarm kept going. And also
Speaker 2: you know, women who were twelve out of teen coming
Speaker 2: up and telling me that they were going to take
Speaker 2: them home tonight. But that's that's something that's hard to
Speaker 2: walk away from at times.
Speaker 1: Dan, did you think you were doing something wrong? Did
Speaker 1: you think you were being doing something illegal at this stage?
Speaker 2: Absolutely you did. Yeah, Like I knew it was illegal
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, you can tell yourself whatever you
Speaker 2: want to tell yourself. I mean, you know, I felt
Speaker 2: bad about it. I used to feel bad about it,
Speaker 2: but since the Royal Commission and seeing their conduct and
Speaker 2: how they are, like, I felt less bad about it,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. I feel like there's one guy that's
Speaker 2: like it was his job, like to make sure that
Speaker 2: you couldn't transfer money that you didn't have. Felt like
Speaker 2: he probably won't have a job anymore, and like I
Speaker 2: feel bad about that. You know, someone told me once
Speaker 2: like you took money off the shareholders. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: the shareholders just in on the hustle. Like if you
Speaker 2: buy shares in something and you know what their conduct
Speaker 2: is and you can sleep well at night, they're good
Speaker 2: on you. But blokes like me, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of us who if there's an inch, we'll take it,
Speaker 2: you know, because we don't necessarily think that the system
Speaker 2: is the most amazing thing in the world. There's people
Speaker 2: out there who were playing the game just like me,
Speaker 2: who if they had a chance to do something like this,
Speaker 2: they absolutely would because they contact me every day. I
Speaker 2: know exactly.
Speaker 6: I don't understand why people who are in control are
Speaker 6: in control, Like why is finance and you know banks,
Speaker 6: why are they in so much control, like the people
Speaker 6: that should be in control. Truck is like if you
Speaker 6: like stopped your truck in the middle of the highway,
Speaker 6: the world stops, then you're in control and you go, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is how much I want to drive a truck, right,
Speaker 6: And everyone asked to go, yeah, okay, we'll give it
Speaker 6: to you. Because they're literally blocking everything from getting to anyone.
Speaker 6: I don't understand how Bezos is so rich. He's got
Speaker 6: to have people to drive.
Speaker 2: All the stuff around for it. Like what if everyone
Speaker 2: just stops driving and goes, oh, hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'd like an extra hundred grand a year, what's he
Speaker 2: gonna do? Say? No, get together sort of air, you.
Speaker 1: Want to start a movement? Absolutely, So from what Dan's saying,
Speaker 1: he knows he was doing something wrong. He knew he
Speaker 1: was going to jail, but he was in too deep
Speaker 1: and in his mind he was doing what some of
Speaker 1: the richest people in the world were doing. But he
Speaker 1: was just on the wrong side of the law.
Speaker 2: In any good clique, there's like there's moments of so
Speaker 2: I said to you the first night we went to
Speaker 2: the city, I caught the train. So so then from
Speaker 2: the train it goes to cabs, cabs everywhere. Then we're like, well,
Speaker 2: we're wearing all these nice clothes, we should be getting limos,
Speaker 2: so let's get a limo. And then once you start
Speaker 2: a limo, then limos it's an awesome like because we
Speaker 2: were drinking all the time, so you know, we hired
Speaker 2: a few sports cars and stuff like that, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it wasn't amazing. It was fine. You know,
Speaker 2: like I don't really I don't really get the whole
Speaker 2: car thing, but I know a lot of people do that.
Speaker 2: It's fair enough. You know a lot of my friends
Speaker 2: were like, oh, you know, we should run a Ferrari
Speaker 2: and we should do this and do that. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah we can. We can go and
Speaker 2: do it. Like it's cool, but it's not really it's
Speaker 2: not really my thing. I think it's a six foot
Speaker 2: four like you know kind of thing. It's like it
Speaker 2: doesn't really work and stuff like that. Anyway, like, yeah.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: We'd go, you know, we go in limos a lot,
Speaker 2: and then we'd know the limo drivers, and then from
Speaker 2: knowing the limo drivers, then we'd strike up you know,
Speaker 2: friendship with you know, we we we're like, oh, did
Speaker 2: you know, you can get a helicopter from Sydney Airport
Speaker 2: to like the city. We're like, oh, that's great, it
Speaker 2: can beat the traffic. Awesome. Perfect. So we started doing
Speaker 2: that and then we start meeting you know, chopper pilots,
Speaker 2: and we start meeting pilots and we start a network
Speaker 2: basically because we'd always just go pay cash. Cash is king.
Speaker 2: People love that. People were like, oh, that's great. So
Speaker 2: we get Yeah, we get people to you know, if
Speaker 2: we're going to like the house in the Ara Valley,
Speaker 2: if we're kind of the house in the Ara Valley,
Speaker 2: we'd get chopper from the top of you know, one
Speaker 2: of the buildings in Melbourne and take us right there. Perfect,
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Great, you know, don't have to sit in
Speaker 2: a limo for an hour and a half. We're learning
Speaker 2: sort of how the rich get around and it's and
Speaker 2: it's fun. I mean, we went in a I remember
Speaker 2: we went in a private jet from Melbourne to Sydney
Speaker 2: and the pilot told us that the whole plane had
Speaker 2: a parachute. And we're like, yeah, yeah, planes got parachutes
Speaker 2: or whatever, and he's like, no, no, no, the whole plane's
Speaker 2: got a parachute. So like if we run into trouble,
Speaker 2: like we'll just glide to the ground. Yeah, we just
Speaker 2: sort of learned, you know, sort of stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it all sort of culminated in the
Speaker 2: biggest thing we did in regards to that was go
Speaker 2: to like this island. We the met the pilot just
Speaker 2: through a chopic pilot. He said, look, eighty grand all inclusive,
Speaker 2: like he had, you know, he knew the people at
Speaker 2: the island or something. He said, we drive you, it
Speaker 2: will fly you in there, fly you out. And I said, look,
Speaker 2: you know, I've learned that I don't actually need to
Speaker 2: do the transfers on Friday, Saturday and Sunday night because
Speaker 2: the bank doesn't update their systems on those nights. So
Speaker 2: I could actually go away for the weekend, I think.
Speaker 2: So we went away for the weekend Friday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
Speaker 2: just told people just had a you know, like the
Speaker 2: whole resort to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Where was the island?
Speaker 2: I had no idea. Somewhere near Bali maybe, like it
Speaker 2: took about about six hours to get there.
Speaker 1: You're a private yet, right, Yeah, okay, you're not asking
Speaker 1: where you're going.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't care. I was like, no worries, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: I find it really interesting. For every debaucherous story of
Speaker 1: drugs and girls and dom and horrible Gucci shoes, there
Speaker 1: are stories of these giving moments. You'll remember Evano told
Speaker 1: us an episode two that Dan would give his own
Speaker 1: shirt off his back. There was one story that I
Speaker 1: kept seeing in research and articles when I started looking
Speaker 1: at the damn story, and it was this story of
Speaker 1: a woman who wanted to learn French.
Speaker 2: Beautiful woman, really really nice woman and like still she's
Speaker 2: married with kids now, and how did you meet her? Oh?
Speaker 2: We just how do you mean anyone? Like I didn't
Speaker 2: even know. She was just appeared. She was just there
Speaker 2: and yeah, like we just hit it off. And it
Speaker 2: was never anything like it was never anything sexual or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but we just, yeah, we just sort
Speaker 2: of hit it off with you both, you know, had
Speaker 2: the same had the same sense of humor and a
Speaker 2: massive on sense of humor. Like it's very important, you know.
Speaker 2: Like we started chatting and and she I said, what
Speaker 2: is your dream? Like what do you want to do
Speaker 2: with your life? And she's like, well, you know, she
Speaker 2: was from somewhere like one turner, like out of suburb
Speaker 2: like Melbourne, the soul of the earth stuff. And she's
Speaker 2: just like, well, I'm at the moment because it's my
Speaker 2: dream to go to France and I want to study French,
Speaker 2: but I want to do it at a French university
Speaker 2: in Paris. I'm like, oh, that's great. She's like yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't have the money, so I'm working, you know,
Speaker 2: well worse so I can get the money to do that.
Speaker 2: And I said, what are you going to do while
Speaker 2: you're over there, like where you're going to live and stuff?
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, well, I want to be an
Speaker 2: all pair so I want to go and look after
Speaker 2: people's kids, usually wealthy people's kids, and I want to
Speaker 2: stay there while I'm right. And I said, wow, if
Speaker 2: you find yourself an all pair position, you can go
Speaker 2: whenever you want, however much it takes. I'll take your shopping.
Speaker 2: We can go out. We can buy luggage, we can
Speaker 2: buy cameras, we can buy jackets. It's like freezing over there,
Speaker 2: isn't it. We can buy everything you need for your trip.
Speaker 2: You just find that right, that all pair position, and
Speaker 2: then you ring me. She's like, I don't believe you
Speaker 2: for ship and I'm like, yeah, I'm full of shit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm standing here with like a thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars role exit. I'm full of shit. Yeah, absolutely, like
Speaker 2: believe what you want to believe. And she's like okay, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and then call this number you gave him.
Speaker 2: Tell me about like four days later, rings and stairs, Dan,
Speaker 2: I found found a position. There's an old pair. I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: so you need to work out how much the tuition is.
Speaker 2: She's like I already know. I'm like, okay, we'll pay
Speaker 2: your tuition, we'll pay for the university, we'll pay for
Speaker 2: you know, your everything. You go over there, will go shopping.
Speaker 2: And then I flew with her to the Sydney Consulate
Speaker 2: and then then she left, Yeah, went to France to study.
Speaker 1: Have you been in contact?
Speaker 2: Since it's all I've only seen it. I've only seen
Speaker 2: it on Facebook. But I'm not really like, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it really was no strings attached. You know, it really was.
Speaker 2: And that's not to be like I'm not not trying
Speaker 2: to be a hero or anything, but it was just
Speaker 2: a situation. And I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: can give people things that they would work for years
Speaker 2: to get, you know, and I can give it to
Speaker 2: them right now, and you know what, that feels awesome.
Speaker 2: That's awesome thing to do. I really love doing that,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get right behind that. And otherwise
Speaker 2: I didn't have a clue what I was doing. If
Speaker 2: you're wealthy, you sort of almost don't really know who
Speaker 2: your friends are, like if you've got if you haven't
Speaker 2: got much money, you really know who your friends are.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not saying you know, I'm poor
Speaker 2: or wealthy. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that having so much money comes at a cost. Like
Speaker 2: everyone sort of seen mainly want something from you and
Speaker 2: only talks to you because you know they they want
Speaker 2: something out of the out of the situation. Like it's
Speaker 2: like an equation all the time. But with like friends now,
Speaker 2: it's not, it's not an equation. I mean, it is
Speaker 2: what it is. And you know, no one's friends with
Speaker 2: me because you know, you know they can you know,
Speaker 2: they're financially better off or you can get them further
Speaker 2: in life. They're just friends with me because they like
Speaker 2: me and they want to be around me. And it
Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't really matter to them the way, and
Speaker 2: that's the people you want in your life.
Speaker 1: Was it ever lonely for you?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't lonely like I always had, always had
Speaker 2: people around. But I guess my I guess my predicament was.
Speaker 2: My predicament was lonely. You only live once. We're only
Speaker 2: in this you know, you know you're in this world
Speaker 2: at this time for once. So it's like, well, why
Speaker 2: not just focus on experience. I mean, you never know
Speaker 2: when you're going to die anyway. I mean it's it's
Speaker 2: not a known thing, so it's like, why would you
Speaker 2: take it too seriously? I mean, my approach to life
Speaker 2: would be a lot different if it didn't end.
Speaker 1: Some people say money is a curse.
Speaker 2: Was it a curse for you? No, No, not at all.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was. I think I learned a
Speaker 2: lot about the world. I think i'd just be I
Speaker 2: think now if that didn't happen, I'd probly be married
Speaker 2: with a couple of kids, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: But I would have never I wouldn't have really questioned anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've just got a job, you can't
Speaker 2: expect to be rich, Like if you want to be.
Speaker 2: If you want to be wealthy, you've got to go
Speaker 2: and quit your job right now and live really hard
Speaker 2: for a few years and work to solve a problem
Speaker 2: of the world. That's the way. And work for yourself.
Speaker 2: There's no future in working for someone else you want
Speaker 2: to be wealthy. But you know, I'm over the opinion.
Speaker 2: Like everyone everyone goes crazy about money, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe I've got it out of my system, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not something that, yeah, I get, I get excited
Speaker 2: about anymore.
Speaker 1: In the next episode of the Glitch, it all starts
Speaker 1: to come crashing down.
Speaker 2: You know, anyone could sort of walk up and go, hey,
Speaker 2: damn you know I want to do this, can you
Speaker 2: give me some money to do it? And most people
Speaker 2: were like, Dan, I want to dare the two girls
Speaker 2: at the bar to like kiss, and I have five
Speaker 2: hundred bucks to do it? Drinking a lot of alcohol
Speaker 2: all the time. It sort of got to him a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I could see the pressure was done
Speaker 2: to get to him. He was a bit more moody.
Speaker 2: You get angry really quickly. Whatever people did with their
Speaker 2: little bit of the money, that's fine. But apparently he
Speaker 2: bought you know, some bitcoin when it wasn't worth very much,
Speaker 2: and now it's obviously worth knowing what I know now.
Speaker 2: But I could have actually just walked away from this
Speaker 2: and nothing would have happened to close my mind, even
Speaker 2: more than the fact that I, you know, sort of
Speaker 2: brought about my own demise in a way