1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:15,481 Speaker 1: Approach a production. Episode four, Don't Be a Banker. I 2 00:00:15,521 --> 00:00:18,121 Speaker 1: wanted to know if the NAB would make a comment 3 00:00:18,241 --> 00:00:21,001 Speaker 1: on what happened with Dan. We'll get to what happened 4 00:00:21,041 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: to him, how long he's spent in jail, and how 5 00:00:23,841 --> 00:00:28,041 Speaker 1: it came tumbling down in the next few episodes. If 6 00:00:28,081 --> 00:00:30,121 Speaker 1: you want to play catch up on the story so far, 7 00:00:30,681 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: head back to the previous three. 8 00:00:31,961 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: Episodes, because yeah, I was planting a lot and my 9 00:00:36,001 --> 00:00:38,281 Speaker 2: view was to win the money back. Eventually they were 10 00:00:38,281 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: going to pull it up my day. Luck, they've got 11 00:00:40,361 --> 00:00:42,521 Speaker 2: to be watching and big brother's watching him. I can't 12 00:00:42,601 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: think probably weeks five, six, and seven, we're all light strategy. 13 00:00:49,641 --> 00:00:53,441 Speaker 3: Anyway, I called the NAB to see if they would 14 00:00:53,521 --> 00:01:04,121 Speaker 3: make a comment. So I asked Dan, does he think 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: after the glitch that the bank changed their process? 16 00:01:08,881 --> 00:01:12,601 Speaker 2: Bloody hope. So their motto at the time was more 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: give less, take and they just like just hit that 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: one out of the ballpark, didn't they. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: There was a moment with the NAB where you were 20 00:01:22,681 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: getting money out and something happened in the ATM that, 21 00:01:26,521 --> 00:01:29,161 Speaker 1: you know, is one of those moments that you see 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,961 Speaker 1: or you think of and you go wow, that'd be 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,521 Speaker 1: a really great shot in the movie. 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: When depending on the branch. But when I'd walk away 25 00:01:36,721 --> 00:01:41,241 Speaker 2: and there was there was windows, reflection in the windows 26 00:01:41,681 --> 00:01:46,321 Speaker 2: would catch the NAB logo, and when you flip the 27 00:01:46,401 --> 00:01:51,961 Speaker 2: NAB logo around, it says Dan, and it's kind of like, 28 00:01:52,041 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't exactly say Dan, but it looks 29 00:01:54,881 --> 00:01:58,401 Speaker 2: like Dan from from just a first glance. I used 30 00:01:58,401 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: to always just see it and just sort of shake 31 00:02:00,561 --> 00:02:03,561 Speaker 2: my head like there was some kind of high power 32 00:02:03,681 --> 00:02:07,961 Speaker 2: or something and just yeah over the situation, like it 33 00:02:08,001 --> 00:02:12,121 Speaker 2: was almost a yeah, just like a message from someone 34 00:02:12,121 --> 00:02:13,681 Speaker 2: else that was universe. 35 00:02:15,881 --> 00:02:19,521 Speaker 1: Dan was attracting attention and lots of attention from hangers 36 00:02:19,561 --> 00:02:23,001 Speaker 1: on and people just wanting to be around him. I 37 00:02:23,041 --> 00:02:26,561 Speaker 1: get the feeling. Although Dan's a pretty likable bloke, give 38 00:02:26,641 --> 00:02:29,321 Speaker 1: him a wad of cash and some red Gucci shoes 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: and he becomes like Dan the lady Killer. 40 00:02:32,641 --> 00:02:36,761 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was seeing. I was seeing a few women 41 00:02:37,001 --> 00:02:40,681 Speaker 2: at the time. I would say most of the women 42 00:02:40,721 --> 00:02:45,041 Speaker 2: I was seeing knew the situation for what it was, and 43 00:02:45,081 --> 00:02:48,241 Speaker 2: it was pretty you know, it was fast money, like 44 00:02:48,921 --> 00:02:53,721 Speaker 2: pretty average looking black. You know, I'm not no David 45 00:02:53,761 --> 00:02:56,881 Speaker 2: Beckham here I'll give you an example. I felt like 46 00:02:57,601 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: David Beckham sometimes. A few of the boys used to 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,721 Speaker 2: have a nickname for me, Fat White CanYa, because like, 48 00:03:04,761 --> 00:03:07,161 Speaker 2: all I wanted to do was go to nightclubs and 49 00:03:07,201 --> 00:03:10,361 Speaker 2: get bottle service and stuff and just have a good time. 50 00:03:10,721 --> 00:03:13,361 Speaker 2: I just wanted to like I just wanted to dance, 51 00:03:13,441 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: Like I just wanted to have a good time. I 52 00:03:15,881 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: just don't understand why. You know that's gone, you know, 53 00:03:18,761 --> 00:03:21,361 Speaker 2: that's seen. You sort of been extracted from a lot 54 00:03:21,361 --> 00:03:23,481 Speaker 2: of people's lives, you know, like that kind of you know, 55 00:03:23,761 --> 00:03:26,921 Speaker 2: like yeah, just you know, work the week and just 56 00:03:27,001 --> 00:03:29,481 Speaker 2: you know, like there will be a better place if 57 00:03:29,601 --> 00:03:31,121 Speaker 2: at the end of the week, like everyone just went 58 00:03:31,161 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: to a dance party and just chill it out a bit. 59 00:03:36,561 --> 00:03:39,641 Speaker 2: It's nothing I've ever experienced in my life, and I 60 00:03:39,761 --> 00:03:43,121 Speaker 2: doubt that I have a will, But having experienced at once, 61 00:03:43,241 --> 00:03:46,561 Speaker 2: I don't think I really need to again. Like this 62 00:03:46,641 --> 00:03:49,281 Speaker 2: girl walked out to me once, sup Like Megan, Girls 63 00:03:49,321 --> 00:03:53,641 Speaker 2: like Megan Gail don't talk to danceaunders really Like they 64 00:03:53,721 --> 00:03:56,761 Speaker 2: might say, Hi, excuse me, can you please move? I 65 00:03:56,801 --> 00:03:58,961 Speaker 2: need to get to that other part of the store. 66 00:03:59,281 --> 00:04:01,881 Speaker 2: They don't say, oh, they're not interested in me. Like, 67 00:04:02,361 --> 00:04:04,841 Speaker 2: you know, it's fine with that before, but when some 68 00:04:05,161 --> 00:04:08,961 Speaker 2: when you're getting this tension, it's very hard to turn 69 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:11,841 Speaker 2: around and ignore it. I had a woman walk up 70 00:04:11,881 --> 00:04:16,601 Speaker 2: to me who was twelve out of ten and say 71 00:04:16,921 --> 00:04:20,241 Speaker 2: that she was unequivocally the person that was taking me 72 00:04:20,361 --> 00:04:21,081 Speaker 2: home that night. 73 00:04:21,601 --> 00:04:25,241 Speaker 4: We're in this nightclub called East, which is a nightclub 74 00:04:26,001 --> 00:04:29,121 Speaker 4: on the Gold Coast, and you know, she walks up 75 00:04:29,161 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: and you know, she sort of said, I'm just gonna 76 00:04:31,241 --> 00:04:32,481 Speaker 4: I'm just going to take her on to night. 77 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:34,681 Speaker 2: I don't know who you are, but like what you 78 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,121 Speaker 2: what you're doing here? Like I love it? And you know, 79 00:04:38,161 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: we're going to Negel and I'm just like, okay, it's great. 80 00:04:42,241 --> 00:04:45,561 Speaker 2: That kind of attention had never happened to me before. 81 00:04:46,201 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: So I was like, I was pretty I was pretty 82 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:52,881 Speaker 2: blown away by that. I knew that I wasn't the 83 00:04:53,401 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: man that they thought I was, So you know, I 84 00:04:57,401 --> 00:05:00,001 Speaker 2: used to take them out and buy them lots of 85 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:02,921 Speaker 2: great jewelry, and you know, whatever they wanted is to 86 00:05:02,961 --> 00:05:06,521 Speaker 2: buy women whatever they wanted. I was, Yeah, I was 87 00:05:06,641 --> 00:05:10,241 Speaker 2: very much you know, of the knowing that it will 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,001 Speaker 2: end sometime. So you go home with the twelve out 89 00:05:14,001 --> 00:05:17,361 Speaker 2: of ten. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean. 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,041 Speaker 1: Was that a long standing relationship? 91 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:24,361 Speaker 2: I wouldn't call a long standing Whenever I was around 92 00:05:24,641 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: whenever I was around the Gold Coast, I definitely saw 93 00:05:26,921 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: each other. 94 00:05:27,641 --> 00:05:30,361 Speaker 1: There's been a fair bit written about Dan and his story. 95 00:05:30,761 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: As I went searching for research on getting together the 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: facts before we started the podcast, we found court records, 97 00:05:37,161 --> 00:05:40,281 Speaker 1: lots of articles, and Dan supplied a whole bunch of 98 00:05:40,281 --> 00:05:42,161 Speaker 1: things that we'll get to later. 99 00:05:41,921 --> 00:05:42,801 Speaker 2: In this episode. 100 00:05:42,961 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: For us, putting this podcast together wasn't to bash the bank. 101 00:05:46,241 --> 00:05:48,481 Speaker 1: We'll let you make your own decisions on where you 102 00:05:48,521 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: put your money. There was, however, some interesting info that 103 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,361 Speaker 1: we uncovered while looking through research. A few years back, 104 00:05:56,561 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: a major publication was ready to buy Dan's story. They 105 00:06:01,001 --> 00:06:03,921 Speaker 1: had engaged a writer and Dan had sat down, similar 106 00:06:03,961 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to our chat Telly story. That story was squashed and 107 00:06:09,201 --> 00:06:13,241 Speaker 1: we got to copy the email. Which shows why the 108 00:06:13,361 --> 00:06:17,441 Speaker 1: email is between the writer and an editor at the publication. 109 00:06:18,201 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: Is an excerpt, Hey Jack, I've got bad news. The 110 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,481 Speaker 5: boss is killing this because it's just too hot. Nab 111 00:06:24,681 --> 00:06:27,241 Speaker 5: happens to be one of our biggest accounts, and publishing 112 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 5: this will just cause too many problems. I'm really sorry 113 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,041 Speaker 5: I didn't foresee this earlier. I literally had the article 114 00:06:33,121 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 5: all ready to go and someone from client services picked 115 00:06:36,001 --> 00:06:38,241 Speaker 5: up on the brand conflict. We are still going to 116 00:06:38,281 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 5: process your invoice as a kill. 117 00:06:39,961 --> 00:06:43,121 Speaker 1: That story and the writer ended up being published in 118 00:06:43,161 --> 00:06:45,921 Speaker 1: a UK paper, and then a few months later the 119 00:06:45,961 --> 00:06:48,921 Speaker 1: Australian publisher grabbed a story again and ran. 120 00:06:48,761 --> 00:06:49,641 Speaker 2: The article. 121 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:51,721 Speaker 3: For us. 122 00:06:52,121 --> 00:06:55,121 Speaker 1: Let's just raise a few questions. The big banks have 123 00:06:55,201 --> 00:06:58,841 Speaker 1: big money and a story like this from Dan really 124 00:06:58,841 --> 00:07:02,081 Speaker 1: does put a little doubt in your mind about how 125 00:07:02,121 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: this could happen now and your money safe. We also 126 00:07:07,641 --> 00:07:10,761 Speaker 1: learned of another bloke from New South Wales who was 127 00:07:10,801 --> 00:07:13,241 Speaker 1: able to rip off a bank with a similar scam 128 00:07:13,761 --> 00:07:16,841 Speaker 1: using his overdraft facility. We tried to get someone on 129 00:07:16,921 --> 00:07:19,241 Speaker 1: from a bank, any bank, to give us their view. 130 00:07:19,561 --> 00:07:22,641 Speaker 1: As you can imagine, no one would go on record. 131 00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:27,001 Speaker 1: So let's move swiftly from the bank's no reply to 132 00:07:27,161 --> 00:07:31,441 Speaker 1: Dan's debauchery. What about hookers and escorts and those sorts 133 00:07:31,481 --> 00:07:34,161 Speaker 1: of things that was that a thing for you? 134 00:07:34,881 --> 00:07:37,681 Speaker 2: Someone said, you know that in that movie A Pretty 135 00:07:37,681 --> 00:07:40,841 Speaker 2: Woman Yep, And we're like, ah, it would be like 136 00:07:40,881 --> 00:07:43,481 Speaker 2: to get like an escort to the to the hotel 137 00:07:43,561 --> 00:07:47,601 Speaker 2: room and yeah, so we did it once and we're 138 00:07:47,641 --> 00:07:51,361 Speaker 2: like there's a lot of messing around, like we can 139 00:07:51,401 --> 00:07:53,281 Speaker 2: go to a bar and meet a lot of people, 140 00:07:53,601 --> 00:07:56,081 Speaker 2: you know, like it's actually like a bit to organize, 141 00:07:56,161 --> 00:07:59,681 Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not really fun to organize that. 142 00:08:00,041 --> 00:08:02,881 Speaker 2: It was a good way at the time because I 143 00:08:02,921 --> 00:08:06,681 Speaker 2: didn't know how many other people. I thought I was 144 00:08:06,681 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: going to get caught for this and sort of hold 145 00:08:08,641 --> 00:08:11,441 Speaker 2: over the colt Like I sort of had a feeling 146 00:08:11,481 --> 00:08:13,561 Speaker 2: like I was going to be in an interrogation room 147 00:08:13,601 --> 00:08:15,761 Speaker 2: one day and they were going to ask, you know, 148 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:18,721 Speaker 2: who was with you? What was going on? 149 00:08:18,961 --> 00:08:21,321 Speaker 6: So I was like, ah, you know, I've got to 150 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:23,441 Speaker 6: have like a story. 151 00:08:23,521 --> 00:08:26,401 Speaker 2: I've got to tell people what I spent the money 152 00:08:26,441 --> 00:08:28,161 Speaker 2: on it, because I can't say I gave it to 153 00:08:28,201 --> 00:08:30,881 Speaker 2: other people because I've just got to say that. Like 154 00:08:30,921 --> 00:08:32,801 Speaker 2: so I said that I just went to like one 155 00:08:32,881 --> 00:08:36,601 Speaker 2: hundred you know, escorts, because they're like, oh, yeah, you know, 156 00:08:36,881 --> 00:08:39,241 Speaker 2: like I can't prove it. If you go to a 157 00:08:39,281 --> 00:08:41,681 Speaker 2: bar and you're shouting the whole bar, you don't need 158 00:08:41,721 --> 00:08:44,721 Speaker 2: to go you don't need to call an escort, like 159 00:08:44,761 --> 00:08:45,961 Speaker 2: you've got plenty of attention. 160 00:08:46,361 --> 00:08:47,441 Speaker 1: How would you coordinate? 161 00:08:47,641 --> 00:08:50,361 Speaker 2: Like the phone would be going off like okay. Afterwards, 162 00:08:50,361 --> 00:08:52,401 Speaker 2: I had to throw the phone away because people are 163 00:08:52,441 --> 00:08:55,521 Speaker 2: still ringing, like thinking I was still rich. I was like, oh, 164 00:08:55,521 --> 00:08:57,081 Speaker 2: I've got to get rid of this phone. This is 165 00:08:57,201 --> 00:08:59,441 Speaker 2: like not good because I've got to hang over anyway, 166 00:08:59,641 --> 00:09:02,561 Speaker 2: and now these people are ringing me, going oh hey, Dan, 167 00:09:02,681 --> 00:09:05,281 Speaker 2: are you free? Where are you? You know? Like like 168 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:06,801 Speaker 2: what about drugs? 169 00:09:06,841 --> 00:09:07,841 Speaker 1: That were they part. 170 00:09:07,721 --> 00:09:11,361 Speaker 2: Of the scene. My drug was the ATM. That was 171 00:09:11,361 --> 00:09:16,441 Speaker 2: my drug. So I used to I used to dabble 172 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:20,001 Speaker 2: like if people. People would always ask me for money 173 00:09:20,881 --> 00:09:25,081 Speaker 2: to buy drugs all the time, flat out, like I 174 00:09:25,081 --> 00:09:28,881 Speaker 2: got bored. I was like, nah, there's a drug guy, 175 00:09:29,321 --> 00:09:31,441 Speaker 2: Like if you want drugs, you go to that guy. 176 00:09:31,681 --> 00:09:34,681 Speaker 2: I don't understand about drugs. I'm don't I'm not interest. 177 00:09:34,721 --> 00:09:36,601 Speaker 1: So you had a drug guy or there was just 178 00:09:36,641 --> 00:09:38,441 Speaker 1: a drug guy in the in the scene. 179 00:09:38,441 --> 00:09:40,561 Speaker 2: There's always a drug guy around, yeah, you know, and 180 00:09:40,681 --> 00:09:41,761 Speaker 2: they just floating around. 181 00:09:41,841 --> 00:09:43,641 Speaker 1: He should do to talk to yeah, but they were 182 00:09:43,681 --> 00:09:45,481 Speaker 1: hitting you up for the cash to pay for it. 183 00:09:45,721 --> 00:09:49,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember one night we were 184 00:09:49,041 --> 00:09:51,841 Speaker 2: with a couple of couple of ladies and and they 185 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:54,761 Speaker 2: were in the they were in the hotel suite and 186 00:09:54,801 --> 00:09:56,961 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, let's get some coke. Yeah, I want 187 00:09:56,961 --> 00:09:58,761 Speaker 2: to get some coke. Like I've heard that, you know, 188 00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:01,081 Speaker 2: Oh do you want to get some coke? Like about 189 00:10:01,121 --> 00:10:04,441 Speaker 2: it a million times? Couldn't even any more boring. 190 00:10:04,441 --> 00:10:07,121 Speaker 7: The truth, right, coachs for people who were fucking boring, 191 00:10:08,001 --> 00:10:10,761 Speaker 7: they need like an extra you know, zip just to 192 00:10:10,801 --> 00:10:13,601 Speaker 7: make the night, you know, go well, you know, they go, oh, 193 00:10:13,961 --> 00:10:16,681 Speaker 7: you know, we want to buy two bags, so we 194 00:10:16,761 --> 00:10:19,361 Speaker 7: need you know, it's like late at night, so we need. 195 00:10:19,121 --> 00:10:22,041 Speaker 2: Like twelve hundred bucks. And I'm like, you know, I'm no, 196 00:10:22,241 --> 00:10:24,481 Speaker 2: I'm not expert, but I know that twelve hundred bucks 197 00:10:24,481 --> 00:10:27,481 Speaker 2: for two bags. It's like a lot of money. So 198 00:10:27,521 --> 00:10:30,561 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, twelve twelve hundred bucks. Yeah, sure, 199 00:10:30,801 --> 00:10:34,801 Speaker 2: you go twelve hundred bucks. And they left to go downstairs, 200 00:10:35,201 --> 00:10:37,401 Speaker 2: and I just rang downstairs and say, you know those 201 00:10:37,441 --> 00:10:44,121 Speaker 2: two people that left, Yeah, they're not coming back. I'd 202 00:10:44,161 --> 00:10:46,641 Speaker 2: let people take the piss, like because ultimately I was, 203 00:10:47,601 --> 00:10:49,641 Speaker 2: but I don't let them take the piss to a 204 00:10:49,641 --> 00:10:52,321 Speaker 2: certain extent, like, you know, like if I knew something 205 00:10:52,441 --> 00:10:54,801 Speaker 2: was like three hundred bucks and they asked him like 206 00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:57,881 Speaker 2: four hundred, I'd be like, yeah, cool. But if someone 207 00:10:58,121 --> 00:11:00,801 Speaker 2: asked me for like double the price or something, because 208 00:11:00,801 --> 00:11:03,081 Speaker 2: I just knew they were or you know, the casino 209 00:11:03,201 --> 00:11:05,601 Speaker 2: was a big one for all the casino playing, and 210 00:11:06,121 --> 00:11:07,881 Speaker 2: I just had one hundred dollars chips and I'd just 211 00:11:07,921 --> 00:11:10,681 Speaker 2: hand him out the casino. So, you know, we'd just 212 00:11:10,681 --> 00:11:13,721 Speaker 2: be walking through Crown or wherever I was jupid, you know, 213 00:11:13,921 --> 00:11:18,841 Speaker 2: like Jupiters or wherever I was. We'd we'd just walked 214 00:11:18,841 --> 00:11:21,881 Speaker 2: through the casino and I'd just be handing out like 215 00:11:22,001 --> 00:11:25,041 Speaker 2: black chips everywhere, just going, yeah, let's play, let's play. 216 00:11:25,201 --> 00:11:29,001 Speaker 2: Oh you know Tom got a number? Yeah great, right, Yeah. 217 00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:31,081 Speaker 2: I knew when people were just coming up, but they 218 00:11:31,081 --> 00:11:33,601 Speaker 2: weren't gambling like I was like, oh yeah, you know, 219 00:11:34,041 --> 00:11:36,401 Speaker 2: so the next day we'd just go, we just leave, 220 00:11:36,481 --> 00:11:38,281 Speaker 2: and you know, we'd just leave that person there and 221 00:11:38,281 --> 00:11:41,721 Speaker 2: they'd be calling flood out, going oh you know guys, 222 00:11:41,761 --> 00:11:42,641 Speaker 2: you know, and I'd be. 223 00:11:42,601 --> 00:11:45,481 Speaker 1: Like, nah, taking the piss, see you later. So who's 224 00:11:45,521 --> 00:11:47,521 Speaker 1: in the who's in your main crew? How many people 225 00:11:47,521 --> 00:11:49,081 Speaker 1: in that main crew that would go and crew? 226 00:11:49,321 --> 00:11:53,401 Speaker 2: Main crew is about four or five. Yeah. Yeah, Like 227 00:11:53,601 --> 00:11:56,361 Speaker 2: my friends had like fly in fly out rolls, so 228 00:11:56,361 --> 00:11:58,961 Speaker 2: so they were a part of it for a time. 229 00:11:59,321 --> 00:12:01,841 Speaker 2: And then I'd go to another group of friends, or 230 00:12:02,081 --> 00:12:04,401 Speaker 2: you know, I'd spend a couple of days with you know, 231 00:12:05,881 --> 00:12:08,121 Speaker 2: a lady I just met, or I'd spent you know, 232 00:12:08,241 --> 00:12:10,601 Speaker 2: like it was just all it was just all random. 233 00:12:10,281 --> 00:12:11,201 Speaker 1: And all quite fluid. 234 00:12:11,201 --> 00:12:14,641 Speaker 2: Then I'm guessing too, right, absolutely, Like at the height 235 00:12:14,681 --> 00:12:18,321 Speaker 2: of it, we had hotel suites in every city, so 236 00:12:18,481 --> 00:12:20,921 Speaker 2: we would just fly between the cities and the party 237 00:12:20,921 --> 00:12:23,841 Speaker 2: would still be going on in the other hotel suites. 238 00:12:23,881 --> 00:12:28,441 Speaker 2: So hotel suites not booked but actually paid for you no, no, no, 239 00:12:28,521 --> 00:12:31,881 Speaker 2: so people were in them, okay, knew yeah, like or 240 00:12:31,961 --> 00:12:36,921 Speaker 2: knew off yeah, and we'd move in between. Yeah. So 241 00:12:37,001 --> 00:12:40,601 Speaker 2: ultimately we'd pay the bill of all three hotel suites, 242 00:12:40,801 --> 00:12:43,001 Speaker 2: but we'd only be in one at one certain time. 243 00:12:43,681 --> 00:12:47,161 Speaker 1: Like most people, I've owed money before, I may have 244 00:12:47,361 --> 00:12:49,281 Speaker 1: even had a call or two from a bank to 245 00:12:49,361 --> 00:12:54,161 Speaker 1: ask if I'd forgotten to make a payment. Owing money 246 00:12:54,321 --> 00:12:57,841 Speaker 1: makes you anxious, or at least it makes most people 247 00:12:58,401 --> 00:13:02,801 Speaker 1: a little anxious. So how's Dan feeling owing one point 248 00:13:02,801 --> 00:13:06,041 Speaker 1: six million bucks to the bank? They're starting to get 249 00:13:06,081 --> 00:13:07,081 Speaker 1: anxious by this stage. 250 00:13:08,401 --> 00:13:11,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Like I knew that. I was like, I 251 00:13:11,241 --> 00:13:13,241 Speaker 2: thought I was going to go to jail, Like someone's 252 00:13:13,241 --> 00:13:14,841 Speaker 2: going to be watching this. I thought it was on 253 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,361 Speaker 2: The Truman Show or something like someone had to be watching. 254 00:13:17,841 --> 00:13:20,561 Speaker 2: Like I have dreams and stuff like I remember waking 255 00:13:20,641 --> 00:13:23,121 Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night in a hotel 256 00:13:23,201 --> 00:13:28,201 Speaker 2: suite at the Chambrila and I was like dreaming that 257 00:13:28,281 --> 00:13:32,201 Speaker 2: the SWAT team was outside in a position three and 258 00:13:32,321 --> 00:13:36,521 Speaker 2: four and about to burst in. You know, I don't 259 00:13:36,521 --> 00:13:38,481 Speaker 2: know whether SPAT team is going to come because I 260 00:13:38,521 --> 00:13:43,441 Speaker 2: was like using my ATM card like a madman. But anyway, 261 00:13:43,441 --> 00:13:46,961 Speaker 2: the SWAT team is there and they said, oh look, 262 00:13:47,241 --> 00:13:51,081 Speaker 2: you know, they said, you know, please open up. And 263 00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:53,641 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you know, like this is it. And 264 00:13:53,681 --> 00:13:58,921 Speaker 2: then the door burst open and that's when the dream ended. 265 00:13:59,841 --> 00:14:01,201 Speaker 2: And I was like, I wake up in a pool 266 00:14:01,201 --> 00:14:04,201 Speaker 2: of sweat and then the doorbell goes and I'm like. 267 00:14:04,201 --> 00:14:08,241 Speaker 8: Oh, dreamt it like sick, this is it? And so 268 00:14:08,241 --> 00:14:12,601 Speaker 8: how I opened up the door and there's this little 269 00:14:12,681 --> 00:14:16,761 Speaker 8: lady there. She says, would you like some fresh towls? 270 00:14:18,121 --> 00:14:21,601 Speaker 8: And I said, you know what, I will have some 271 00:14:21,641 --> 00:14:26,081 Speaker 8: fresh dows because I'm sweating like an absolute. 272 00:14:25,561 --> 00:14:28,481 Speaker 2: Monster, and she goes, are you all right, sir? Okay, Yeah, 273 00:14:28,641 --> 00:14:32,521 Speaker 2: I'm okay, but thanks for bringing the towels. So I'd 274 00:14:32,521 --> 00:14:36,001 Speaker 2: be absolutely wide right. So I'd go for I at 275 00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:38,241 Speaker 2: a routine where I'd go for like day spa every 276 00:14:38,281 --> 00:14:41,801 Speaker 2: morning just to cleanse, you know, sweat it out, get 277 00:14:41,801 --> 00:14:44,601 Speaker 2: in the sauna. It was big, Like every night was massive. 278 00:14:44,641 --> 00:14:47,561 Speaker 2: So I was like, it's very much a cleansing period 279 00:14:47,601 --> 00:14:51,481 Speaker 2: in the morning, get a massage wherever I was, hot rocks, 280 00:14:51,521 --> 00:14:54,281 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. The lady I'd go down 281 00:14:54,281 --> 00:14:57,841 Speaker 2: there with so much anxiety, like the messseuse was like 282 00:14:58,041 --> 00:15:03,521 Speaker 2: are you Like, are you okay? I'm like, well, yeah, 283 00:15:03,681 --> 00:15:07,401 Speaker 2: like I'm fine, but she said, you're obviously not fine. 284 00:15:07,481 --> 00:15:11,081 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not really fine, but but don't 285 00:15:11,121 --> 00:15:13,721 Speaker 2: tell anyone I'm not fine because I'm fine. I'm good. 286 00:15:13,961 --> 00:15:16,641 Speaker 2: It was okay. Yeah, it was starting to get like 287 00:15:17,441 --> 00:15:22,441 Speaker 2: physical symptoms of being quite quite anxious. But I learned, 288 00:15:22,441 --> 00:15:27,441 Speaker 2: you know, for being anxious. I was down in the 289 00:15:27,481 --> 00:15:29,201 Speaker 2: lobby once and I felt like I was going to 290 00:15:29,201 --> 00:15:34,441 Speaker 2: have a heart attack, and this doctor comes over and 291 00:15:34,481 --> 00:15:36,001 Speaker 2: he says, oh, you're all right, and I said, I 292 00:15:36,041 --> 00:15:39,361 Speaker 2: don't feel well at all. And he said, I don't 293 00:15:39,361 --> 00:15:41,481 Speaker 2: think you're having a heart attack, but I think you 294 00:15:41,561 --> 00:15:45,561 Speaker 2: could be having an anxiety attack. And he said, you know, 295 00:15:46,281 --> 00:15:50,241 Speaker 2: is there any stress going on in your life? I'm like, yeah, 296 00:15:50,441 --> 00:15:53,361 Speaker 2: a fair bit. And he's like, well, that could be 297 00:15:53,681 --> 00:15:56,881 Speaker 2: a direct result of distress, you know, like maybe better, 298 00:15:57,041 --> 00:15:59,561 Speaker 2: you know, try and take it easy. And he gave me. 299 00:15:59,921 --> 00:16:01,841 Speaker 2: He gave me like a script for some valium. And 300 00:16:01,921 --> 00:16:06,681 Speaker 2: it's very nice, I said. The reception, I said, make 301 00:16:06,721 --> 00:16:08,521 Speaker 2: sure he's send a bottle of champagne to his room, 302 00:16:08,561 --> 00:16:10,721 Speaker 2: because he's a good blow. So I worked out that, 303 00:16:10,761 --> 00:16:13,761 Speaker 2: you know, I had anxiety because you know, like I 304 00:16:13,761 --> 00:16:17,681 Speaker 2: have palpitations in my chest and stuff and you know, 305 00:16:18,121 --> 00:16:21,401 Speaker 2: but all masked with a you know, like you you 306 00:16:21,401 --> 00:16:24,121 Speaker 2: can mask it all with a bottle of polish. To 307 00:16:24,201 --> 00:16:26,881 Speaker 2: Winston Churchill, that's sort the anxiety, right, you know what 308 00:16:26,921 --> 00:16:29,041 Speaker 2: I mean. I learned how to manage it. Like I 309 00:16:29,081 --> 00:16:31,921 Speaker 2: didn't become addictive valium or anything. Like. I had a 310 00:16:31,961 --> 00:16:34,481 Speaker 2: few valuum here and there just to just to calm 311 00:16:34,521 --> 00:16:37,161 Speaker 2: things down. But yeah, I sort of learned how to 312 00:16:37,321 --> 00:16:39,321 Speaker 2: how to deal with it. And I just got myself 313 00:16:39,361 --> 00:16:42,121 Speaker 2: into a bit of a bit of a rhythm. After that, 314 00:16:45,401 --> 00:16:51,001 Speaker 2: I'm just spending more money that I earn in a 315 00:16:51,241 --> 00:16:59,321 Speaker 2: year in a day. So literally all day, every day, 316 00:16:59,561 --> 00:17:06,481 Speaker 2: I'm just giving money away. If I went out for lunch, 317 00:17:06,801 --> 00:17:10,721 Speaker 2: be a massive tip, I'd pay for another table as well. 318 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:16,441 Speaker 2: Or we'd rent houses. So the Yarrow Valley in Melbourne, 319 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,001 Speaker 2: we ran like this massive house, drove around to all 320 00:17:21,041 --> 00:17:26,281 Speaker 2: the hired a mini bus, drove around to all the 321 00:17:26,321 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: different backpackers around town, and just decided to have a 322 00:17:30,321 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: backpacker party at the estate in the Yarraw Valley. Hi 323 00:17:34,761 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: you DJ. Everyone set it up, you know, all that 324 00:17:37,321 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: kind of thing. Put it in just ways that we 325 00:17:46,281 --> 00:17:51,721 Speaker 2: could offload. Cash just came flowing through. So I remember 326 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:56,121 Speaker 2: I was walking past Via Wang the bridle shop in 327 00:17:56,481 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: the Intercontinental and Sydney, and the lady I was with said, oh, 328 00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, I wish I could afford you know, I 329 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: wish I could have a dress like that for my wedding. 330 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: Let's buy it. Let's buy it right now. And so 331 00:18:08,041 --> 00:18:10,321 Speaker 2: we just went and bought it straight off the rack. 332 00:18:10,801 --> 00:18:15,041 Speaker 2: And then I just had a suit and we just 333 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,201 Speaker 2: went out and pretended we just got married, then people 334 00:18:18,281 --> 00:18:21,761 Speaker 2: buy our strings. It was just constantly just like little 335 00:18:22,241 --> 00:18:24,721 Speaker 2: just little things like that, just over and over, camp 336 00:18:24,761 --> 00:18:27,641 Speaker 2: like it just I think I loved the glitch more 337 00:18:27,681 --> 00:18:31,361 Speaker 2: than anything else. Like I didn't. I wasn't really feeling 338 00:18:31,481 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: like the power of the money was grabbing me. I 339 00:18:35,561 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 2: didn't really like I can take or leave the money. 340 00:18:38,521 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: I didn't really care about it. But it's more what 341 00:18:40,681 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: the money could do. It'd take like the average situation 342 00:18:44,761 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 2: and just turn it into something unbelievable. And that's the 343 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:51,521 Speaker 2: bit that I loved about it. I became addicted to 344 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: shouting people's stuff, like just going I'll get that. It 345 00:18:55,001 --> 00:18:59,641 Speaker 2: was in the Terrace restaurant at Flemington race Course, buying 346 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: bottles of don Peranion like they're going out of fashion. 347 00:19:02,761 --> 00:19:04,521 Speaker 2: Hey what are you doing? Come and have a drink 348 00:19:04,521 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: with us, you know, just just getting everyone in on 349 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: the ride and answering the phone and saying, yep, it 350 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,801 Speaker 2: was me, it's me. 351 00:19:14,281 --> 00:19:17,361 Speaker 1: And that phone call was the nab, just checking that 352 00:19:17,441 --> 00:19:18,961 Speaker 1: you just bought everyone. 353 00:19:19,521 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: I bought the Dom Flemington. 354 00:19:22,201 --> 00:19:25,481 Speaker 1: That anxiety that you were having. That was that about 355 00:19:25,761 --> 00:19:27,801 Speaker 1: the glitch? Ending was it about going to jail? 356 00:19:28,481 --> 00:19:35,401 Speaker 2: I think it's it wasn't purely conscious because I had 357 00:19:35,441 --> 00:19:39,561 Speaker 2: people around me, like I was, like, the only people 358 00:19:39,921 --> 00:19:44,521 Speaker 2: are being it's a bank and that's the reason why 359 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: it all started and like that, and it kept going 360 00:19:47,801 --> 00:19:51,121 Speaker 2: like that because it was like, you've got an opportunity, 361 00:19:51,681 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 2: like what would the bank do in your situation? The 362 00:19:54,441 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: bank could sink the sink the heels in. So that's 363 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,961 Speaker 2: what we've got to do. We owe it to the 364 00:20:02,001 --> 00:20:07,241 Speaker 2: world to stick our heels in because we can right now, 365 00:20:07,281 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: because that's the only way you get it. And that 366 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,961 Speaker 2: doesn't make it right, but that's ultimately what we were doing. 367 00:20:13,801 --> 00:20:16,161 Speaker 2: So that's you know, that was the rush. Now, that's 368 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,241 Speaker 2: how we got That's how I got through it. That's 369 00:20:19,281 --> 00:20:22,761 Speaker 2: how I kept setting the alarm kept going. And also 370 00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:24,921 Speaker 2: you know, women who were twelve out of teen coming 371 00:20:25,001 --> 00:20:26,361 Speaker 2: up and telling me that they were going to take 372 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: them home tonight. But that's that's something that's hard to 373 00:20:28,921 --> 00:20:30,321 Speaker 2: walk away from at times. 374 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,801 Speaker 1: Dan, did you think you were doing something wrong? Did 375 00:20:32,801 --> 00:20:35,441 Speaker 1: you think you were being doing something illegal at this stage? 376 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,681 Speaker 2: Absolutely you did. Yeah, Like I knew it was illegal 377 00:20:38,921 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, you can tell yourself whatever you 378 00:20:42,921 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: want to tell yourself. I mean, you know, I felt 379 00:20:44,961 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: bad about it. I used to feel bad about it, 380 00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:51,241 Speaker 2: but since the Royal Commission and seeing their conduct and 381 00:20:51,521 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: how they are, like, I felt less bad about it, 382 00:20:54,961 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: that's for sure. I feel like there's one guy that's 383 00:20:58,001 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: like it was his job, like to make sure that 384 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: you couldn't transfer money that you didn't have. Felt like 385 00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:08,761 Speaker 2: he probably won't have a job anymore, and like I 386 00:21:08,801 --> 00:21:11,161 Speaker 2: feel bad about that. You know, someone told me once 387 00:21:11,241 --> 00:21:14,281 Speaker 2: like you took money off the shareholders. I was like, well, 388 00:21:14,281 --> 00:21:16,481 Speaker 2: the shareholders just in on the hustle. Like if you 389 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,681 Speaker 2: buy shares in something and you know what their conduct 390 00:21:19,761 --> 00:21:22,481 Speaker 2: is and you can sleep well at night, they're good 391 00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:25,481 Speaker 2: on you. But blokes like me, and there's a lot 392 00:21:25,521 --> 00:21:30,681 Speaker 2: of us who if there's an inch, we'll take it, 393 00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:34,521 Speaker 2: you know, because we don't necessarily think that the system 394 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,841 Speaker 2: is the most amazing thing in the world. There's people 395 00:21:38,001 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: out there who were playing the game just like me, 396 00:21:42,041 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: who if they had a chance to do something like this, 397 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 2: they absolutely would because they contact me every day. I 398 00:21:48,961 --> 00:21:49,761 Speaker 2: know exactly. 399 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:55,281 Speaker 6: I don't understand why people who are in control are 400 00:21:55,281 --> 00:22:00,881 Speaker 6: in control, Like why is finance and you know banks, 401 00:22:00,921 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 6: why are they in so much control, like the people 402 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,521 Speaker 6: that should be in control. Truck is like if you 403 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 6: like stopped your truck in the middle of the highway, 404 00:22:11,681 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 6: the world stops, then you're in control and you go, Okay, 405 00:22:16,441 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 6: this is how much I want to drive a truck, right, 406 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 6: And everyone asked to go, yeah, okay, we'll give it 407 00:22:21,681 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 6: to you. Because they're literally blocking everything from getting to anyone. 408 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,041 Speaker 6: I don't understand how Bezos is so rich. He's got 409 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,241 Speaker 6: to have people to drive. 410 00:22:32,041 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: All the stuff around for it. Like what if everyone 411 00:22:34,521 --> 00:22:37,441 Speaker 2: just stops driving and goes, oh, hey, you know what, 412 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,041 Speaker 2: I'd like an extra hundred grand a year, what's he 413 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,121 Speaker 2: gonna do? Say? No, get together sort of air, you. 414 00:22:45,041 --> 00:22:48,321 Speaker 1: Want to start a movement? Absolutely, So from what Dan's saying, 415 00:22:49,001 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: he knows he was doing something wrong. He knew he 416 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,281 Speaker 1: was going to jail, but he was in too deep 417 00:22:54,801 --> 00:22:57,561 Speaker 1: and in his mind he was doing what some of 418 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,321 Speaker 1: the richest people in the world were doing. But he 419 00:23:00,521 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: was just on the wrong side of the law. 420 00:23:03,281 --> 00:23:10,041 Speaker 2: In any good clique, there's like there's moments of so 421 00:23:10,321 --> 00:23:12,001 Speaker 2: I said to you the first night we went to 422 00:23:12,281 --> 00:23:16,401 Speaker 2: the city, I caught the train. So so then from 423 00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:22,041 Speaker 2: the train it goes to cabs, cabs everywhere. Then we're like, well, 424 00:23:23,561 --> 00:23:27,321 Speaker 2: we're wearing all these nice clothes, we should be getting limos, 425 00:23:27,481 --> 00:23:30,241 Speaker 2: so let's get a limo. And then once you start 426 00:23:30,241 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: a limo, then limos it's an awesome like because we 427 00:23:36,001 --> 00:23:38,041 Speaker 2: were drinking all the time, so you know, we hired 428 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,881 Speaker 2: a few sports cars and stuff like that, but it 429 00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: wasn't like it wasn't amazing. It was fine. You know, 430 00:23:43,761 --> 00:23:46,321 Speaker 2: like I don't really I don't really get the whole 431 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: car thing, but I know a lot of people do that. 432 00:23:48,241 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: It's fair enough. You know a lot of my friends 433 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,121 Speaker 2: were like, oh, you know, we should run a Ferrari 434 00:23:52,201 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: and we should do this and do that. And I 435 00:23:53,921 --> 00:23:55,761 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah we can. We can go and 436 00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:57,441 Speaker 2: do it. Like it's cool, but it's not really it's 437 00:23:57,481 --> 00:23:59,521 Speaker 2: not really my thing. I think it's a six foot 438 00:23:59,521 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: four like you know kind of thing. It's like it 439 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,721 Speaker 2: doesn't really work and stuff like that. Anyway, like, yeah. 440 00:24:07,561 --> 00:24:07,721 Speaker 5: So. 441 00:24:09,561 --> 00:24:13,561 Speaker 2: We'd go, you know, we go in limos a lot, 442 00:24:13,681 --> 00:24:17,721 Speaker 2: and then we'd know the limo drivers, and then from 443 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,281 Speaker 2: knowing the limo drivers, then we'd strike up you know, 444 00:24:21,801 --> 00:24:24,721 Speaker 2: friendship with you know, we we we're like, oh, did 445 00:24:24,761 --> 00:24:27,921 Speaker 2: you know, you can get a helicopter from Sydney Airport 446 00:24:28,041 --> 00:24:31,041 Speaker 2: to like the city. We're like, oh, that's great, it 447 00:24:31,041 --> 00:24:34,721 Speaker 2: can beat the traffic. Awesome. Perfect. So we started doing 448 00:24:34,761 --> 00:24:37,961 Speaker 2: that and then we start meeting you know, chopper pilots, 449 00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:42,201 Speaker 2: and we start meeting pilots and we start a network 450 00:24:42,241 --> 00:24:46,921 Speaker 2: basically because we'd always just go pay cash. Cash is king. 451 00:24:47,241 --> 00:24:50,121 Speaker 2: People love that. People were like, oh, that's great. So 452 00:24:50,521 --> 00:24:52,881 Speaker 2: we get Yeah, we get people to you know, if 453 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,681 Speaker 2: we're going to like the house in the Ara Valley, 454 00:24:55,681 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: if we're kind of the house in the Ara Valley, 455 00:24:57,921 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: we'd get chopper from the top of you know, one 456 00:25:01,681 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: of the buildings in Melbourne and take us right there. Perfect, 457 00:25:05,481 --> 00:25:08,281 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Great, you know, don't have to sit in 458 00:25:08,321 --> 00:25:12,641 Speaker 2: a limo for an hour and a half. We're learning 459 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: sort of how the rich get around and it's and 460 00:25:17,281 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: it's fun. I mean, we went in a I remember 461 00:25:19,801 --> 00:25:22,721 Speaker 2: we went in a private jet from Melbourne to Sydney 462 00:25:23,201 --> 00:25:26,601 Speaker 2: and the pilot told us that the whole plane had 463 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,401 Speaker 2: a parachute. And we're like, yeah, yeah, planes got parachutes 464 00:25:29,441 --> 00:25:31,761 Speaker 2: or whatever, and he's like, no, no, no, the whole plane's 465 00:25:31,761 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: got a parachute. So like if we run into trouble, 466 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: like we'll just glide to the ground. Yeah, we just 467 00:25:38,241 --> 00:25:40,281 Speaker 2: sort of learned, you know, sort of stuff like that. 468 00:25:40,521 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 2: And then yeah, it all sort of culminated in the 469 00:25:44,201 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: biggest thing we did in regards to that was go 470 00:25:47,801 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: to like this island. We the met the pilot just 471 00:25:53,001 --> 00:25:57,201 Speaker 2: through a chopic pilot. He said, look, eighty grand all inclusive, 472 00:25:57,441 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: like he had, you know, he knew the people at 473 00:25:59,281 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: the island or something. He said, we drive you, it 474 00:26:01,561 --> 00:26:04,881 Speaker 2: will fly you in there, fly you out. And I said, look, 475 00:26:05,961 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: you know, I've learned that I don't actually need to 476 00:26:08,801 --> 00:26:13,481 Speaker 2: do the transfers on Friday, Saturday and Sunday night because 477 00:26:14,201 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: the bank doesn't update their systems on those nights. So 478 00:26:18,281 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: I could actually go away for the weekend, I think. 479 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: So we went away for the weekend Friday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 480 00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: just told people just had a you know, like the 481 00:26:29,961 --> 00:26:31,201 Speaker 2: whole resort to ourselves. 482 00:26:31,281 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: Where was the island? 483 00:26:32,321 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: I had no idea. Somewhere near Bali maybe, like it 484 00:26:35,001 --> 00:26:37,241 Speaker 2: took about about six hours to get there. 485 00:26:38,921 --> 00:26:41,561 Speaker 1: You're a private yet, right, Yeah, okay, you're not asking 486 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,161 Speaker 1: where you're going. 487 00:26:42,241 --> 00:26:45,681 Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't care. I was like, no worries, Yeah, sure. 488 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,001 Speaker 1: I find it really interesting. For every debaucherous story of 489 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,801 Speaker 1: drugs and girls and dom and horrible Gucci shoes, there 490 00:26:55,801 --> 00:26:59,761 Speaker 1: are stories of these giving moments. You'll remember Evano told 491 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: us an episode two that Dan would give his own 492 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,521 Speaker 1: shirt off his back. There was one story that I 493 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,041 Speaker 1: kept seeing in research and articles when I started looking 494 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: at the damn story, and it was this story of 495 00:27:11,761 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: a woman who wanted to learn French. 496 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,961 Speaker 2: Beautiful woman, really really nice woman and like still she's 497 00:27:19,001 --> 00:27:21,561 Speaker 2: married with kids now, and how did you meet her? Oh? 498 00:27:21,961 --> 00:27:26,321 Speaker 2: We just how do you mean anyone? Like I didn't 499 00:27:26,321 --> 00:27:28,241 Speaker 2: even know. She was just appeared. She was just there 500 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: and yeah, like we just hit it off. And it 501 00:27:31,961 --> 00:27:35,321 Speaker 2: was never anything like it was never anything sexual or 502 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,641 Speaker 2: anything like that, but we just, yeah, we just sort 503 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: of hit it off with you both, you know, had 504 00:27:40,001 --> 00:27:43,321 Speaker 2: the same had the same sense of humor and a 505 00:27:43,481 --> 00:27:46,001 Speaker 2: massive on sense of humor. Like it's very important, you know. 506 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,321 Speaker 2: Like we started chatting and and she I said, what 507 00:27:49,481 --> 00:27:51,281 Speaker 2: is your dream? Like what do you want to do 508 00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: with your life? And she's like, well, you know, she 509 00:27:54,521 --> 00:27:58,361 Speaker 2: was from somewhere like one turner, like out of suburb 510 00:27:58,521 --> 00:28:02,161 Speaker 2: like Melbourne, the soul of the earth stuff. And she's 511 00:28:02,281 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: just like, well, I'm at the moment because it's my 512 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: dream to go to France and I want to study French, 513 00:28:11,001 --> 00:28:13,121 Speaker 2: but I want to do it at a French university 514 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: in Paris. I'm like, oh, that's great. She's like yeah, 515 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: but I don't have the money, so I'm working, you know, 516 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,921 Speaker 2: well worse so I can get the money to do that. 517 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,441 Speaker 2: And I said, what are you going to do while 518 00:28:28,441 --> 00:28:30,281 Speaker 2: you're over there, like where you're going to live and stuff? 519 00:28:30,321 --> 00:28:34,241 Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, well, I want to be an 520 00:28:34,241 --> 00:28:37,281 Speaker 2: all pair so I want to go and look after 521 00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:40,841 Speaker 2: people's kids, usually wealthy people's kids, and I want to 522 00:28:40,961 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: stay there while I'm right. And I said, wow, if 523 00:28:45,241 --> 00:28:48,761 Speaker 2: you find yourself an all pair position, you can go 524 00:28:48,841 --> 00:28:52,761 Speaker 2: whenever you want, however much it takes. I'll take your shopping. 525 00:28:52,881 --> 00:28:55,481 Speaker 2: We can go out. We can buy luggage, we can 526 00:28:55,521 --> 00:28:59,121 Speaker 2: buy cameras, we can buy jackets. It's like freezing over there, 527 00:28:59,161 --> 00:29:02,081 Speaker 2: isn't it. We can buy everything you need for your trip. 528 00:29:02,761 --> 00:29:07,281 Speaker 2: You just find that right, that all pair position, and 529 00:29:07,321 --> 00:29:11,001 Speaker 2: then you ring me. She's like, I don't believe you 530 00:29:11,161 --> 00:29:14,001 Speaker 2: for ship and I'm like, yeah, I'm full of shit. 531 00:29:14,201 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm standing here with like a thirty thousand 532 00:29:16,721 --> 00:29:19,841 Speaker 2: dollars role exit. I'm full of shit. Yeah, absolutely, like 533 00:29:19,961 --> 00:29:23,481 Speaker 2: believe what you want to believe. And she's like okay, right, 534 00:29:23,801 --> 00:29:26,041 Speaker 2: and I'm like, and then call this number you gave him. 535 00:29:27,001 --> 00:29:32,161 Speaker 2: Tell me about like four days later, rings and stairs, Dan, 536 00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:38,161 Speaker 2: I found found a position. There's an old pair. I'm like, okay, great, 537 00:29:38,761 --> 00:29:41,881 Speaker 2: so you need to work out how much the tuition is. 538 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:44,761 Speaker 2: She's like I already know. I'm like, okay, we'll pay 539 00:29:44,761 --> 00:29:48,601 Speaker 2: your tuition, we'll pay for the university, we'll pay for 540 00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:52,241 Speaker 2: you know, your everything. You go over there, will go shopping. 541 00:29:53,161 --> 00:29:58,201 Speaker 2: And then I flew with her to the Sydney Consulate 542 00:29:59,121 --> 00:30:04,081 Speaker 2: and then then she left, Yeah, went to France to study. 543 00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:06,321 Speaker 1: Have you been in contact? 544 00:30:06,361 --> 00:30:09,281 Speaker 2: Since it's all I've only seen it. I've only seen 545 00:30:09,281 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: it on Facebook. But I'm not really like, like, you know, 546 00:30:13,961 --> 00:30:17,361 Speaker 2: it really was no strings attached. You know, it really was. 547 00:30:18,001 --> 00:30:21,401 Speaker 2: And that's not to be like I'm not not trying 548 00:30:21,401 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: to be a hero or anything, but it was just 549 00:30:24,481 --> 00:30:27,641 Speaker 2: a situation. And I was like, you know what, I 550 00:30:27,681 --> 00:30:32,121 Speaker 2: can give people things that they would work for years 551 00:30:32,161 --> 00:30:34,481 Speaker 2: to get, you know, and I can give it to 552 00:30:34,561 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: them right now, and you know what, that feels awesome. 553 00:30:37,161 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: That's awesome thing to do. I really love doing that, 554 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:42,321 Speaker 2: and I'm going to get right behind that. And otherwise 555 00:30:42,361 --> 00:30:44,401 Speaker 2: I didn't have a clue what I was doing. If 556 00:30:44,441 --> 00:30:48,201 Speaker 2: you're wealthy, you sort of almost don't really know who 557 00:30:48,201 --> 00:30:51,201 Speaker 2: your friends are, like if you've got if you haven't 558 00:30:51,241 --> 00:30:53,241 Speaker 2: got much money, you really know who your friends are. 559 00:30:55,241 --> 00:30:58,481 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not saying you know, I'm poor 560 00:30:58,521 --> 00:31:00,401 Speaker 2: or wealthy. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is 561 00:31:00,441 --> 00:31:03,601 Speaker 2: that having so much money comes at a cost. Like 562 00:31:03,641 --> 00:31:06,881 Speaker 2: everyone sort of seen mainly want something from you and 563 00:31:07,001 --> 00:31:10,801 Speaker 2: only talks to you because you know they they want 564 00:31:11,281 --> 00:31:15,881 Speaker 2: something out of the out of the situation. Like it's 565 00:31:15,921 --> 00:31:19,441 Speaker 2: like an equation all the time. But with like friends now, 566 00:31:19,481 --> 00:31:21,841 Speaker 2: it's not, it's not an equation. I mean, it is 567 00:31:21,841 --> 00:31:23,721 Speaker 2: what it is. And you know, no one's friends with 568 00:31:23,761 --> 00:31:27,921 Speaker 2: me because you know, you know they can you know, 569 00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:31,321 Speaker 2: they're financially better off or you can get them further 570 00:31:31,361 --> 00:31:33,601 Speaker 2: in life. They're just friends with me because they like 571 00:31:33,681 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: me and they want to be around me. And it 572 00:31:35,521 --> 00:31:37,681 Speaker 2: doesn't it doesn't really matter to them the way, and 573 00:31:37,761 --> 00:31:39,121 Speaker 2: that's the people you want in your life. 574 00:31:40,401 --> 00:31:42,761 Speaker 1: Was it ever lonely for you? 575 00:31:42,761 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't lonely like I always had, always had 576 00:31:45,481 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: people around. But I guess my I guess my predicament was. 577 00:31:49,641 --> 00:31:53,441 Speaker 2: My predicament was lonely. You only live once. We're only 578 00:31:53,481 --> 00:31:56,521 Speaker 2: in this you know, you know you're in this world 579 00:31:56,561 --> 00:31:59,761 Speaker 2: at this time for once. So it's like, well, why 580 00:31:59,841 --> 00:32:02,761 Speaker 2: not just focus on experience. I mean, you never know 581 00:32:03,641 --> 00:32:06,161 Speaker 2: when you're going to die anyway. I mean it's it's 582 00:32:06,161 --> 00:32:09,161 Speaker 2: not a known thing, so it's like, why would you 583 00:32:09,201 --> 00:32:12,881 Speaker 2: take it too seriously? I mean, my approach to life 584 00:32:12,881 --> 00:32:14,801 Speaker 2: would be a lot different if it didn't end. 585 00:32:15,841 --> 00:32:18,321 Speaker 1: Some people say money is a curse. 586 00:32:19,401 --> 00:32:21,961 Speaker 2: Was it a curse for you? No, No, not at all. 587 00:32:22,161 --> 00:32:25,561 Speaker 2: I don't think it was. I think I learned a 588 00:32:25,561 --> 00:32:28,601 Speaker 2: lot about the world. I think i'd just be I 589 00:32:28,641 --> 00:32:31,601 Speaker 2: think now if that didn't happen, I'd probly be married 590 00:32:31,641 --> 00:32:34,481 Speaker 2: with a couple of kids, and there's nothing wrong with that. 591 00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:39,001 Speaker 2: But I would have never I wouldn't have really questioned anything. 592 00:32:39,041 --> 00:32:41,921 Speaker 2: I mean, if you've just got a job, you can't 593 00:32:42,001 --> 00:32:44,201 Speaker 2: expect to be rich, Like if you want to be. 594 00:32:44,321 --> 00:32:47,001 Speaker 2: If you want to be wealthy, you've got to go 595 00:32:47,041 --> 00:32:51,321 Speaker 2: and quit your job right now and live really hard 596 00:32:52,161 --> 00:32:57,401 Speaker 2: for a few years and work to solve a problem 597 00:32:57,441 --> 00:33:00,801 Speaker 2: of the world. That's the way. And work for yourself. 598 00:33:02,161 --> 00:33:05,361 Speaker 2: There's no future in working for someone else you want 599 00:33:05,361 --> 00:33:09,801 Speaker 2: to be wealthy. But you know, I'm over the opinion. 600 00:33:09,881 --> 00:33:14,321 Speaker 2: Like everyone everyone goes crazy about money, Like I don't know, 601 00:33:14,361 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: maybe I've got it out of my system, but it's not. 602 00:33:16,721 --> 00:33:19,961 Speaker 2: It's not something that, yeah, I get, I get excited 603 00:33:20,001 --> 00:33:21,681 Speaker 2: about anymore. 604 00:33:22,041 --> 00:33:25,121 Speaker 1: In the next episode of the Glitch, it all starts 605 00:33:25,161 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: to come crashing down. 606 00:33:26,841 --> 00:33:28,921 Speaker 2: You know, anyone could sort of walk up and go, hey, 607 00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:31,801 Speaker 2: damn you know I want to do this, can you 608 00:33:31,841 --> 00:33:34,001 Speaker 2: give me some money to do it? And most people 609 00:33:34,001 --> 00:33:37,081 Speaker 2: were like, Dan, I want to dare the two girls 610 00:33:37,081 --> 00:33:38,921 Speaker 2: at the bar to like kiss, and I have five 611 00:33:38,961 --> 00:33:41,121 Speaker 2: hundred bucks to do it? Drinking a lot of alcohol 612 00:33:41,201 --> 00:33:44,481 Speaker 2: all the time. It sort of got to him a 613 00:33:44,481 --> 00:33:46,521 Speaker 2: little bit, and I could see the pressure was done 614 00:33:46,561 --> 00:33:49,401 Speaker 2: to get to him. He was a bit more moody. 615 00:33:49,681 --> 00:33:53,641 Speaker 2: You get angry really quickly. Whatever people did with their 616 00:33:53,921 --> 00:33:57,761 Speaker 2: little bit of the money, that's fine. But apparently he 617 00:33:57,881 --> 00:34:01,321 Speaker 2: bought you know, some bitcoin when it wasn't worth very much, 618 00:34:01,361 --> 00:34:04,041 Speaker 2: and now it's obviously worth knowing what I know now. 619 00:34:04,361 --> 00:34:06,601 Speaker 2: But I could have actually just walked away from this 620 00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:09,681 Speaker 2: and nothing would have happened to close my mind, even 621 00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:12,361 Speaker 2: more than the fact that I, you know, sort of 622 00:34:13,161 --> 00:34:15,001 Speaker 2: brought about my own demise in a way