Speaker 1: H chronic time. It's a chronic time. Are you sick?
Speaker 2: When sick? That was not good, mate, that was not good.
Speaker 1: Not a good start to the prodigy. It's Monty here
Speaker 1: and Brook with you. Our podcast is all about chronic
Speaker 1: health because if you don't laugh, you'll cry. I have
Speaker 1: chronic migraines, chronic fatigue, pots, mcs, you name it. I
Speaker 1: fucking lot it.
Speaker 2: Haha. I'm just gonna go with MS. Now you've stripped back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm back.
Speaker 2: Well, I just kind of it just trumps everything else.
Speaker 1: So oh no, MS wins, MS wins.
Speaker 2: All right, you totally win.
Speaker 1: Hey, before we get into some of the stuff you
Speaker 1: guys have sent in, which we absolutely love, I heard
Speaker 1: Brook you got a new dog.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got a dog.
Speaker 1: And what the fuck? I can't believe you surrendered.
Speaker 2: I'm not really a dog person.
Speaker 3: I've never had a dog before ever, and my husband
Speaker 3: and my two daughters have been badgering me for years
Speaker 3: to get a dog, and I finally caved. But my
Speaker 3: husband came to me with this idea, and this is
Speaker 3: what turned me around. So he said, there's this place
Speaker 3: you can go. A couple of our friends have used it,
Speaker 3: a place you can take your dog. It's in the
Speaker 3: Hunter Valley here in New South Wales, and you send that.
Speaker 3: Once the dog is born, you send them there straight
Speaker 3: away for you can do four weeks or six weeks,
Speaker 3: and we did six weeks. Once the dog is born,
Speaker 3: the breeder sends them to this farm training camp kind
Speaker 3: of thing and they train the dog for you, so
Speaker 3: you don't have to go through those hard early days
Speaker 3: where you know, people say that they're like a baby
Speaker 3: and they wake up in the night and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So we did that, and so we
Speaker 3: got her names the girls have called her. So we
Speaker 3: did that and she arrived just a few days ago,
Speaker 3: about three or four days ago, and she is complete
Speaker 3: heaven like, she is so well trained it's unbelievable. So
Speaker 3: from the day she got here, like she's so say,
Speaker 3: four nights every night you put her to sleep in
Speaker 3: the laundry with like a baby gate thing, and she
Speaker 3: will sleep there from like nine o'clock until six o'clock
Speaker 3: when we get up, and like, wow, not a peep
Speaker 3: out of her, not a single peep. She knows like
Speaker 3: not to go on the couch, She doesn't go.
Speaker 1: Up on my stairs. It's amazing. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: hate a barker. But if you've got chronic health issues,
Speaker 1: that's almost the way you've got to do it. Because
Speaker 1: if I had a dog and I was waking up
Speaker 1: to it all through the night, I don't want it
Speaker 1: pissing on the floor. There's no way. The boys are
Speaker 1: desperate for a dog, and I'm like, no chance, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no chance. I also don't like everyone's like, you
Speaker 1: like my dog. I'm like, I'm not gonna like your dog.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. There's not one part of me
Speaker 1: that wants to pat a dog, like, not one part.
Speaker 2: Well, she's really grown on me.
Speaker 3: I thought I would be like that too, but already
Speaker 3: she's really grown on me. She does this cute thing
Speaker 3: where she like comes up to me, like sitting on
Speaker 3: the couch, and she knows she can't come on the couch,
Speaker 3: which is just like incredible, but she'll just like put
Speaker 3: her head like on my knee or something. And then
Speaker 3: she started doing this thing but only to me, where
Speaker 3: she'll put her pour up like she's holding my hat.
Speaker 1: Oh that's pretty cute.
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: I still don't want to pour in my hand, but anyway,
Speaker 1: something you've got to watch out for. Is I heard
Speaker 1: on the radio yesterday that I forget what dog food
Speaker 1: brand it is, but they're trialing like this fit bit
Speaker 1: kind of thing for dogs because they're like dogs will
Speaker 1: eat all the time, and they manipulate their owners for
Speaker 1: their owners to think they're hungry, so they're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: i'll feed you again. Fifty percent of dogs are obese
Speaker 1: in Australia. So they're doing this collar where through it
Speaker 1: you keep track of the calories it's eaten and the
Speaker 1: exercise it's done. So then you stop overfeeding your dog.
Speaker 2: That's a bit fat, don't you think? Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: It's like it's an apple watch basically for a dog.
Speaker 1: It grows around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's ridiculous. I mean we feed our dog twice
Speaker 3: a day. I mean, I have no idea how often
Speaker 3: you're supposed to feed your dog. But this is all
Speaker 3: come from this training place where they're like, you feed
Speaker 3: it twice a day.
Speaker 2: This is what you give her. So that's all we're doing.
Speaker 1: Just follow what they're saying that. Yeah, but it can
Speaker 1: almost be like a therapy dog for you. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have therapy dogs. Yeah, there you go. You
Speaker 1: can have the therapy dog. But when I think of
Speaker 1: like kind of therapy, beautiful things like dogs are really
Speaker 1: regulating for the system, so that will be beautiful for you.
Speaker 1: But my mom, this is going to horses now, so
Speaker 1: a little different to dogs. But my mum and I,
Speaker 1: obviously before she passed a couple of years beforehand, went
Speaker 1: to Gwing Ghana the health retreat, which was the most
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And I'm so thrilled Mom and I did
Speaker 1: it together because it's so special, like it's so fan
Speaker 1: of one of those so fancy, one of those things
Speaker 1: that you can't do many times. As soon as we
Speaker 1: got to the horses, it came up and it nuzzled
Speaker 1: into Mum's lung where her cancer was.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It was phenomenon. It was like very It wasn't just
Speaker 1: a oh that's quite a coincidence. It was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's another lady there in a different group
Speaker 1: had breast cancer and it did the same thing to her.
Speaker 1: But one of the things we also did was you
Speaker 1: stood in the kind of rainy thing and she'd let
Speaker 1: go of the lead, so the horse was just standing
Speaker 1: near you and you'd have to use your energy to
Speaker 1: get the horse to run around you. So you would
Speaker 1: like lower your energy, not say anything. It was all
Speaker 1: about energy. Lower your energy and the horse would start
Speaker 1: to trot. I like, bring up your energy and it
Speaker 1: would go faster. Anyway, everyone does it beautifully. Of course
Speaker 1: I can't get my fucking horse to move because of
Speaker 1: course I'm dead inside. It just doesn't move. And she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you've got so many issues. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: no shit, I'm like, what if you're here doing horse therapy,
Speaker 1: is the only one that doesn't move? Mine was the
Speaker 1: only one that didn't move, and I was getting embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I was like, just move, horsey, please smooth. And the
Speaker 1: more I would stress, the more bloody stub and this
Speaker 1: horse would get like you couldn't hide, you know, I know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: how have you been lately? How is everything going with you?
Speaker 2: Ye're good.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because Ye're good, you know, is always
Speaker 3: my go to answer. I laugh about that because often
Speaker 3: my family and friends will listen to the podcast and
Speaker 3: they'll say.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't know this or this or
Speaker 2: why didn't you tell us this?
Speaker 3: And it's really made me realize that I don't really
Speaker 3: tell anyone much at all, and on this podcast, because
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you, Monty and to everyone else, and
Speaker 3: assuming that the people that are connecting with us on
Speaker 3: the podcast are also chronically ill, I feel like it's
Speaker 3: a different space, so I can't talk really freely and honestly.
Speaker 3: But then I almost forget that other listed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is a good thing because you don't
Speaker 1: have to repeat yourself. We can just pass this on
Speaker 1: and go this is how I am at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: But yea, no, look, I'm really like one of the
Speaker 3: big things I'm struggling with at the moment is fatigue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's really hard. It's really Yeah, it's challenging.
Speaker 3: It's really challenging and really is affecting the day to
Speaker 3: day everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what it does. And I reckon, like we touched
Speaker 1: on a couple of podcasts ago that how we think
Speaker 1: most people who have a chronic illness would have chronic
Speaker 1: fatigue because it's so unbelievably taxing. But when my headaches
Speaker 1: are okay, my fatigue just smashes me. I think when
Speaker 1: my migraines are so bad, I'm in bed resting anyway,
Speaker 1: it's not the forefront. It's yeah, the focus is the migraines,
Speaker 1: where when they're gone, the fatigue is so unbelievably bad.
Speaker 1: Like I told you last night, i Otis, my four
Speaker 1: year old, woke up at like two and I had
Speaker 1: to go on laying with him. He was wide awake,
Speaker 1: so that was an hour and a half. It took
Speaker 1: me to get back and then Sam woke me up
Speaker 1: at seven, which for most people is a really reasonable
Speaker 1: time and a time that I would love to I'd
Speaker 1: love to get up even earlier. But my whole day
Speaker 1: now I'm exhausted, And then my anxiety gets worse because
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, I've got to do this with
Speaker 1: the kids. When am I going to get to rest
Speaker 1: and podcasting? Like I didn't want to cancel on you,
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, I'm not going to be in
Speaker 1: fine form, Like the fatigue is fuck.
Speaker 2: And it really is.
Speaker 3: I think also it's really hard for people that don't,
Speaker 3: you know, those people that don't have any illness, like
Speaker 3: chronic illness, to understand the fatigue, Like it's not a
Speaker 3: normal tiredness and it doesn't matter how much rest and
Speaker 3: how much sleep you get you don't ever feel rested.
Speaker 3: You know, like an never person to get ten hours
Speaker 3: sleep and feel like they'd had a great sleep and
Speaker 3: feel rested the next day.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't happen with us. Yeah, that's not just
Speaker 2: not how it works.
Speaker 1: No, so I'm with you. But we got a voice
Speaker 1: memo from one of you around chronic.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh this is fitting.
Speaker 4: Hey, ladies, love the potty. I have a kidney disease
Speaker 4: and as a result of this, I also now have
Speaker 4: chronic fatigue. I know you both have this as well,
Speaker 4: so I'm looking for any tips that you might have
Speaker 4: to keep it at bay. How do you deal with
Speaker 4: this in social ways? I just don't feel like my
Speaker 4: friends and often family really understand. Often when I say
Speaker 4: I'm tired or I can't do something because I'm too tired,
Speaker 4: they say, yeah, me too. How do you help get
Speaker 4: your friends and family to understand that it's not the
Speaker 4: same as just being tired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll pass on this, Thank you very much, the starters.
Speaker 2: Ye give it this episode.
Speaker 1: My patience which is awful because people do feel tired,
Speaker 1: and it's yucky when you feel tired. I get that,
Speaker 1: But my patience for when people tell me they're tired.
Speaker 1: It is not there.
Speaker 2: It's almost fun to do.
Speaker 1: Do you say, I just kind of say nothing. I
Speaker 1: just got like because it's like I get it, and
Speaker 1: it's a normal thing that people feel tired. I just
Speaker 1: when they say it, have no compassion for it, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's tired, Like you have no idea. When
Speaker 1: I'm tired. It's not tired. It's complete exhaustion. It's a
Speaker 1: whole other ball game.
Speaker 3: I try and explain it, like it is like trying
Speaker 3: to walk through quicksand like your body is so heavy
Speaker 3: and it feels like if you can think of a
Speaker 3: time when you've ever had the flu, like it feels
Speaker 3: like the heaviness of when your body has a flu,
Speaker 3: Like you're walking through Quicksand I think that's how I've
Speaker 3: been trying to describe it. But it's it is really
Speaker 3: hard for people to get their head around. And I
Speaker 3: find it hard when my darling husband would say he's tired.
Speaker 3: You know, he might have been you know, he's probably
Speaker 3: you know, been away for work for a few days
Speaker 3: or something, and it'll come back and say, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: really tired, And I get it. You know, he is tired.
Speaker 3: And that's absolutely fair and justified. But you know, he's
Speaker 3: the one person I can say, oh my god, are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? Like, I don't want to hear about
Speaker 3: you being tired when you're staying in a hotel for.
Speaker 2: A few days.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah, I completely get it.
Speaker 3: And now it's like, you know, he'll often say to me,
Speaker 3: oh God, I'm so tired and say, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Like I know it's you know, it's nothing
Speaker 3: compared to what you're going through.
Speaker 2: And I don't want him to feel like that either.
Speaker 3: So I get that it can be hard for other
Speaker 3: people to understand because if you haven't been through it,
Speaker 3: how would you know how hard and debilitating it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing with any of this. Unless you're actually
Speaker 1: going through it, you can't get it. But the fatigue,
Speaker 1: for me, I looked up and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, just researching a little bit about chronic fatigue,
Speaker 1: and it was saying that other symptoms of chronic fatigue
Speaker 1: syndrome unrefreshing sleep, which you said, like no amount of
Speaker 1: sleep that you get the brain fog that comes with that,
Speaker 1: eat the brain fog. Yeah, it's one of the most
Speaker 1: frustrating things for me because I can't find words. I
Speaker 1: make mistakes all the time. Unless I write things down,
Speaker 1: I forget it. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I hate it.
Speaker 3: I've interviewed so many people with I've been doing a
Speaker 3: series for the Cinney Morning Herald and the Age about
Speaker 3: chronic illness and people who have chronic illness, and one
Speaker 3: of the big recurring themes is always the chronic fatigue.
Speaker 3: I think it's like ninety percent of people with the
Speaker 3: chronic illness also have chronic fatigue. And what they often
Speaker 3: say is to your point about you know, slurred speech
Speaker 3: and not finding the right words. That often, like by
Speaker 3: the afternoon, they're just like they can't function, they can't work,
Speaker 3: they can't like they often just can't even talk by
Speaker 3: the end of the day.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. But then you've got a family
Speaker 1: and you've got things going on, you kind of have
Speaker 1: no choice, so then you push it through, which then
Speaker 1: makes it worse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sometimes, like you know, I'll even say to
Speaker 3: my girls at like the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: actually just can't even like talk, like I just don't
Speaker 3: even have that energy to like talk. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry, But that's the honest truth and even like
Speaker 3: I don't know if you find this, but like just
Speaker 3: to kind of, I guess, like paint a picture of
Speaker 3: what it can be like, Like I often, you know,
Speaker 3: I used to always like have a shower every morning,
Speaker 3: and I love a bath in the evening. But I
Speaker 3: like find having a shower in the morning so exhausting,
Speaker 3: like so exhausting. If I have a shower, I'll need
Speaker 3: to go and like lay down for a bit because
Speaker 3: I am exhausted and like and little things like there
Speaker 3: are some days when, like you know, I'm reaching up
Speaker 3: to get a mug out of the cupboard and I'm
Speaker 3: like out of breath, like exhausted just from that movement.
Speaker 3: Like that's how severe it can totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're also what comes along with that is
Speaker 1: you know, explaining all of that is it's also embarrassing. Again,
Speaker 1: we keep coming back to this embarrassing thing, but it's
Speaker 1: I often feel like our family's quite full on and
Speaker 1: Sam does so much that I feel like I also
Speaker 1: don't have the freedom to go. I'm so exhausted right now,
Speaker 1: Like blinking is an effort for me, Like you know,
Speaker 1: when your eyes are so heavy, it feels like you've
Speaker 1: got cement on them, or yeah, oh, Sam will get
Speaker 1: home and go what did you do today? And I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm scrambling for things to say because sometimes
Speaker 1: I've spent majority of the day in bed, or I've
Speaker 1: gone down to the supermarket and that's all I have
Speaker 1: capacity for to do. Interestingly, another one of these things
Speaker 1: is light sensitivity, which I absolutely have huge light sensitivity.
Speaker 1: Muscle and joint pain and headache. Do you get joint pain?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a lot of It's hard to tell
Speaker 2: her this joint pain. Yeah. I blocks in like my face,
Speaker 2: my head, my leg my hip for nerve.
Speaker 1: Pain yeah, yes, so you don't. And then the chronic
Speaker 1: fatigue probably exacerbates it. Duma pain, bloating and nausea, that's
Speaker 1: very you. Yeah, yeah, sinus problem, swollen glands, tend to
Speaker 1: lymph nodes, sore throat. Yeah. So there's so much else
Speaker 1: that comes with it. And of course it's mainly women,
Speaker 1: most common amongst women twenty to fifty years old.
Speaker 3: Of course, it makes me think actually on this topic
Speaker 3: for you, because people think when you say you've got
Speaker 3: coin fatigue, you feel a bit like and I also
Speaker 3: feel a bit embarrassed to say that because I think
Speaker 3: people feel like, oh, you're just really tired and you
Speaker 3: have that. But then on the other side of the coin,
Speaker 3: you also have chronic migraine, which a lot of people
Speaker 3: probably also assume is just like a really bad headache,
Speaker 3: you know, so you kind of have a double whammy
Speaker 3: where it's hard.
Speaker 2: To keep playing.
Speaker 1: People can relate totally, and that's why I'm constantly no,
Speaker 1: and you can't unless you've got it, But I constantly
Speaker 1: am like, I wish it was a different part of
Speaker 1: my body, Like I really wish that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: people seem to unders like for me and have back pain.
Speaker 1: So somebody who's got really bad back pain who can
Speaker 1: barely move, I'll be like, fuck, that's hectic because I
Speaker 1: don't experience that, and everyone's familiar with back pain, or
Speaker 1: it's just because it's so invisible, which most of us
Speaker 1: listening have these invisible illnesses, and also something that's slightly
Speaker 1: linked to how people experience it that they feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes people and I know that Sam doesn't,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I feel like you thinks I'm whacking it
Speaker 1: on a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, okay, do you know what I mean? Oh God,
Speaker 2: he would never think that people.
Speaker 1: And again that's my embarrassment or I think people might think, oh,
Speaker 1: she uses as an excuse, or you know, like when
Speaker 1: I've said I make mistakes sometimes with work staff. My
Speaker 1: brain foggy is so bad. It's really hard for me
Speaker 1: to concentrate on things. And like I'll go down the
Speaker 1: street and I'll even have a list of things to do,
Speaker 1: but I'll still forget three things. I'll miss three things
Speaker 1: that are on that list. Yeah, because my brain's it's not.
Speaker 2: With it not there.
Speaker 3: It's funny because Monty, I like, you know, we've known
Speaker 3: each other for a long time, like almost twenty years
Speaker 3: i'd say, and well before my MS diagnosis, and we
Speaker 3: used to holiday together a lot, and you would often
Speaker 3: take naps on holiday, like during the day, and I
Speaker 3: just always knew, like that was just who you were,
Speaker 3: that was you know, like you had to do that
Speaker 3: but could not relate to it at all, but knew
Speaker 3: that like that was a really serious, you know, health
Speaker 3: issue for you and that you needed to take time
Speaker 3: throughout the day and certain things would exhaust you, but
Speaker 3: yet couldn't relate. And it is just the weirdest thing
Speaker 3: for me now to have like the ms come on
Speaker 3: and then this like just like at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's just such a bizarre thing, but now I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: It does make me think and like appreciate the fact
Speaker 3: that if you haven't experienced it, it would be so
Speaker 3: hard to.
Speaker 1: Totally Yeah, it's the same with you as you recently
Speaker 1: had about a pretty bad anxiety which was the result
Speaker 1: of some medication that you were having from hospital. So
Speaker 1: you've got a glimpse of what it's like. Yes, where
Speaker 1: now you're in it full time with your chronic fatigue,
Speaker 1: but you can't there's no way that you can get it.
Speaker 1: I just am shocked that people don't feel the way
Speaker 1: I feel the time, you know, when it becomes your
Speaker 1: normal and I'm like, aren't you all fucking exhausted? And
Speaker 1: when people say they never even get a headache, I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: it's so foreign to me. I can't believe that bodies
Speaker 1: work properly.
Speaker 2: I know, it's so unfair.
Speaker 3: It's also like, you know what, I read this thing
Speaker 3: and it was like to understand chronic Like for a
Speaker 3: normal person to understand how chronic fatigue feels, they would
Speaker 3: have to stay awake.
Speaker 2: So no sleep zero sleep for three.
Speaker 3: Whole days and nights, three days and three nights, and
Speaker 3: then they would understand how you feel, like every single
Speaker 3: day effort.
Speaker 2: That's real tasting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does sometimes it does feel that Like
Speaker 1: sometimes it reminds me of when I used to go
Speaker 1: out all night and come home when the sun was
Speaker 1: coming out, like exhaustion. Like that's how it feels day
Speaker 1: to day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those days are gone.
Speaker 3: Like I'm in bed, like as you know, because often
Speaker 3: we'll be messaging stuff and I'll be like, I'm in
Speaker 3: bed now, Like I'll be in bed by seven thirty,
Speaker 3: like yeah, and I just and even that is a
Speaker 3: real stretch, like I'm waiting for my husband to get
Speaker 3: home so i can like go to bed.
Speaker 4: Go to bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like so it's like if somebody I'm like with friends,
Speaker 1: I'm like, lunches are better for me dinner, because I
Speaker 1: did a six thirty dinner the other week and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is a bit late, Like I'm conscious
Speaker 1: of well, I really need to be home by eight.
Speaker 1: I got home at nine, and of course the next
Speaker 1: day I was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's quite challenging to get your head around too,
Speaker 3: Like I think after three years, I'm only just kind
Speaker 3: of understanding my limits now, like knowing that if I have,
Speaker 3: you know, a few things on, you know, have a
Speaker 3: big day and have lots on that, I know that
Speaker 3: I'll pay for that.
Speaker 2: It'll take me like a few days to recover.
Speaker 3: And I'm learning what I can do and then what
Speaker 3: the repercussions will be.
Speaker 2: But it's not a while to get there.
Speaker 1: It does, but it's also like you don't want to
Speaker 1: miss out, Like I hadn't been out for a while,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to go out and chat
Speaker 1: with my girlfriends. But then there is always a little
Speaker 1: bit of a payoff.
Speaker 3: I was actually at my I go to this rehab clinic,
Speaker 3: and the lady there that owns it, who was just awesome,
Speaker 3: her name's Katrina, and my neuralogist had said, I want
Speaker 3: you to you know, I do physio and things like that,
Speaker 3: but she said, I also want you to see an
Speaker 3: OT for the fatigue. I thought, oh, yeah, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I will I mean, I see an OT for other things,
Speaker 3: but like a specific ote for the fatigue.
Speaker 2: And then when I.
Speaker 3: Told her that, she said, no, you don't need an
Speaker 3: OT for the fatigue. What I would say to someone
Speaker 3: like you with your personality is you would be better
Speaker 3: off with a psychologist.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what I don't understand, And she said, big, the.
Speaker 3: OT will try and like look for ways during the
Speaker 3: day that they can help you find those little pockets
Speaker 3: of time and get you some time back and get
Speaker 3: you some rest back in your day.
Speaker 2: But she said, for.
Speaker 3: You, it's not about that, like you know, you know
Speaker 3: where you can get your rest, but you don't do it.
Speaker 2: And so she said for your.
Speaker 3: Personality, which is probably like you took the type a
Speaker 3: kind of go driven kind of personality, you find it
Speaker 3: hard to take those times to rest.
Speaker 2: So she said, it's.
Speaker 3: About you need to talk to a psychologist about giving
Speaker 3: you some strategies for how you can kind of change
Speaker 3: your thinking and allow yourself to slow down and not
Speaker 3: think that you always have to be doing something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought.
Speaker 1: That that resting.
Speaker 2: So it's really good.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll lay down, I'll be like, it's just wasting time.
Speaker 1: I could be doing things where it's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: that's not time wasting, that's healing your body in some way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But pain rehabs interesting. We should talk about that another time,
Speaker 1: because I being advised that I need to go and
Speaker 1: do pain and rehab for two weeks. But it's just
Speaker 1: finding that time. But my neurologist is like, you have
Speaker 1: to do that because your brain gets rewired when you've
Speaker 1: been so chronically ill that you need to Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you just start to think in a certain way, you
Speaker 1: perceive pain a certain way, so you've got to try
Speaker 1: and retrain your brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard about this, I guess not dissimilar to
Speaker 3: we should talk about this another time.
Speaker 2: But hypnotherapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been trying to get me to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't actually know if it worked, but
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think that's really interesting. There's a toadly
Speaker 3: a lot of doctors are suggesting that these days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, see, there's so many things I
Speaker 1: want to try like that as well. But then I
Speaker 1: get appointment fatigue and I'm like, I just can't be fun.
Speaker 2: I know something else to commit to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just filling out those forms, writing out your history,
Speaker 1: repeating it all. I'm like, I just can't be bothered.
Speaker 3: I know I feel you, I feel you. I hope
Speaker 3: we helped Brianna and gave you some good advice.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we did. We just kind of
Speaker 2: played for we just complained.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's just knowing other people people are
Speaker 1: dealing with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I reckon, Brianna, like, honestly,
Speaker 3: not everyone will understand. And to those people who cares,
Speaker 3: like the people, just surround yourself with the people that do,
Speaker 3: the people that care, the people that support you, and
Speaker 3: also just give everyone else this episode of us I reckon.
Speaker 1: I've just found that fascinating about for somebody to truly
Speaker 1: understand chronic fatigue, they would have to stay awake for
Speaker 1: three days days, yes, far out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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