Speaker 1: Problemers Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 1: There is so much to do tonight Australia First, that's
Speaker 1: our focus. There's lots to get to, including the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister's not going to like tonight's show. We know that
Speaker 1: the Union these people hate watch the show. But wait
Speaker 1: till I show you some data that nobody else has.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a moment or two. Time
Speaker 1: for all to talk about kids and social media. We
Speaker 1: should probably talk about adults as well. Some new information
Speaker 1: on all of that. Remember we have the data. Then
Speaker 1: the opinion and who knew the cookies could be the
Speaker 1: key to working out who is going to be the
Speaker 1: next president of the United States. So number one story
Speaker 1: in the country cost of living, number one story in
Speaker 1: the country when it comes to cost of living, the
Speaker 1: cost of housing today the Reserve Bank makes a clear decision,
Speaker 1: which is no decision, thankfully. The indications are that they
Speaker 1: weren't planning on going up. Instead they hold they hold
Speaker 1: at generational highs. So the relief for home buyers line
Speaker 1: that you'll hear everywhere in the media is of course garbage.
Speaker 1: It is as high as it has been as I say,
Speaker 1: in a generation we told you about NEWSPORLT that show
Speaker 1: that when it comes to housing, mortgage rents and interest
Speaker 1: rates number one part of the concern. When it comes
Speaker 1: to cost of living, then we get the groceries bit
Speaker 1: on that tonight, energy bills and insurance. Think nobody wants
Speaker 1: to talk about the insurance side of things. It's all
Speaker 1: just apparently the specials aisle of your local supermarket garbage.
Speaker 1: Of course, I have also shown you that the reality
Speaker 1: of the interest rate rises since this mob came to
Speaker 1: power has been like a python. It is a python
Speaker 1: that has squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed. And
Speaker 1: the idea that people think when the pain remains at
Speaker 1: the same level, oh, it's a relief for homeowners. Please.
Speaker 1: Now I've shown you before that the average monthly home
Speaker 1: loan repayment in this country used to be about two
Speaker 1: and a bit thousand dollars. Then Albot became pro Minister
Speaker 1: Charmers in charge of the economy. Now it's more than
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars a month. Put all that together, do
Speaker 1: you know that Australians are now paying five b four
Speaker 1: billion dollars more on their monthly mortgage rates than they
Speaker 1: did a couple of years ago. The cost to Australia
Speaker 1: of this government, its failures and the Reserve Bank doing
Speaker 1: the hard work the government refuses to do is five
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Can Star analysis of the Reserve Bank data
Speaker 1: shows the borrowers were charged fourteen and a half billion
Speaker 1: dollars on their mortgages. When it comes to the repayments
Speaker 1: in June of this year, that was nine billion dollars
Speaker 1: just before the last election. Nothing to see here, just
Speaker 1: a sixty one percent rise in the total amount of
Speaker 1: money that people are having to pay off their mortgages.
Speaker 1: So good luck spinning that sixty one percent higher in
Speaker 1: the total pool of people paying back on their mortgage.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a win. Oh at least it didn't get worse.
Speaker 1: Guess what it is worse? It has been worse twelve
Speaker 1: times under this mob. They lost their brain when it
Speaker 1: was one under the previous Yet the media all just
Speaker 1: work in tandem that they just get bored of talking
Speaker 1: about the same story, unless, of course, it's the story
Speaker 1: they are particularly invested in, the one that is truly
Speaker 1: affecting Australians all day, every day. As cost of living.
Speaker 1: It's why I talk about it every night. And the
Speaker 1: very significant part of it are people trying to pay
Speaker 1: off the house. Now I want them to cut rates.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm paying off a mortgage just like a
Speaker 1: third of the country. But the reason it's not happening
Speaker 1: when it is happening in places like the United States
Speaker 1: is because our inflation higher, our growth rate lower. The
Speaker 1: Australian dollar has gone backwards under this mob. All of
Speaker 1: this very boring, not as exciting as many of the
Speaker 1: things that we talk about on TV and you might
Speaker 1: hear on the radio. But this is the drum beat
Speaker 1: of pressure on our fellow Australians. Now what about grim
Speaker 1: Jim again? These people think you are so stupid and
Speaker 1: you have no memory, or because you watched Sky News.
Speaker 1: Oh you're such a small and insignificant number of people garbage.
Speaker 1: You know where the message goes. You are the people
Speaker 1: who lead the debate in your family. You can ten
Speaker 1: x the information that you hear on this program. Chalmers
Speaker 1: had the stones today to pretend that he's in complete
Speaker 1: lockstep with the Reserve Bank. He wouldn't dare criticize them.
Speaker 2: I don't preempt and I don't second guess decisions taken
Speaker 2: by the independent Reserve Bank. I've made that very clear repeatedly, all.
Speaker 1: Tish, you know that, and I know that it's not
Speaker 1: even a month ago that this bloke was trying to
Speaker 1: pull off on this Reserve Bank governor what he put
Speaker 1: off on the last Reserve Bank governor, which was Mustache Twirling.
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank is the real one ruining the world, not
Speaker 1: the government who has failed to clip its own sales. Instead,
Speaker 1: they are spending more money than ever before while taking
Speaker 1: in more tax than ever before. But the tax is
Speaker 1: slowly going to run out because places like China are
Speaker 1: starting to slow down. And the structural deficit, which means
Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars which are constantly being added
Speaker 1: by this government to the permanent settings of the budget
Speaker 1: mean we are in deficit for the next twenty five years,
Speaker 1: meaning every single one of those deficits will be added
Speaker 1: to every single previous deficit, and the more than trillion
Speaker 1: dollars that is currently in debt goes through the roof.
Speaker 1: Oh but today was the good day because there was
Speaker 1: no increase in interest rates. Well, here he is again
Speaker 1: a month ago, absolutely bashing the Reserve Bank.
Speaker 2: The combination of global economic uncertainty and higher interest rates
Speaker 2: is smashing household budgets and slowing our economy considerably.
Speaker 1: And also this bloke who thinks he's playing four dchess
Speaker 1: with not just the politics of economics, because that's what
Speaker 1: he has a doctorate in, not economics, the politics of
Speaker 1: how Keating sold the message about the recession we had
Speaker 1: to have et cetera, et cetera. Oh forget that a
Speaker 1: million people were unemployed at the time, forget that the
Speaker 1: interest rate was seventeen percent, or how did the Great
Speaker 1: Paul Keating make it through question time? That's his expertise. Well,
Speaker 1: this bloke when he was playing his four D chess
Speaker 1: trying to make the Reserve Bank the big bad guy
Speaker 1: of the Australian economy rather than the only people with
Speaker 1: the fire hose trying to put out the burning blaze
Speaker 1: that this mob have put in place since the first
Speaker 1: day they came into office, with an expectation of the
Speaker 1: fire getting worse every year for the next twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Oh whatever, today with the great please you see what
Speaker 1: he did was. Firstly, we remember he got rid of
Speaker 1: the previous Reserve Bank governor because remember he was the
Speaker 1: evil mustache twilding guy who kept putting up interest rates
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the Albanize economy was so amazing.
Speaker 1: So then he had the choice of deciding who the
Speaker 1: next Reserve Bank governor was. He chose Michelle Bullock. He
Speaker 1: chose the current Reserve Bank governor. He chose the person
Speaker 1: who continued to increase interest rates and is telling us
Speaker 1: as much as today, don't expect any interest rate cuts
Speaker 1: this year. I no, no, but we're managing it so amazingly.
Speaker 1: America down half of one percent. Australia, let's keep it
Speaker 1: locked in till twenty twenty five. What was it? What
Speaker 1: was the exact number there? Let me double check. A
Speaker 1: sixty one percent increase in the overall amount of money
Speaker 1: that people have had to find to repay their monthly mortgages.
Speaker 1: That is the problem that is happening right now that
Speaker 1: this government does not want to talk about. Well, what
Speaker 1: he thought was, Okay, if we make the Reserve Bank
Speaker 1: meet fewer times a year than that means they won't
Speaker 1: put up interest rates, right, Okay, Well didn't work. The
Speaker 1: second one, of course, was, oh, if we make the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank governor do a press conference after the meeting
Speaker 1: each and every time that they meet. Well, then the
Speaker 1: media will blame the Reserve Bank for their rubbish decisions
Speaker 1: when it comes to interest rates. The only problem is
Speaker 1: all of this is backfired because giving the Reserve Bank
Speaker 1: governor the opportunity to explain the decision but also to
Speaker 1: comment on the failures of the broader economy, the failure
Speaker 1: to get inflation back to where it belongs. Not some
Speaker 1: sugar hit one that's bought. Remember the inflation numbers that
Speaker 1: have come out tomorrow. The expectation is, oh, it's going
Speaker 1: to be amazing. Could even have a two in front
Speaker 1: of it. I think we just heard. Now, let's be serious.
Speaker 1: This is because the federal government is spending millions of
Speaker 1: dollars giving money to electricity companies not to put up
Speaker 1: your power bill. All right, that's what's happening. Is completely arterficial, okay,
Speaker 1: in terms of the actual your capacity to pay all
Speaker 1: of those extra bills off fourteen dollars a week, two
Speaker 1: little too late tax cuts. Again, it's all the politics,
Speaker 1: it's not the reality. And you can't tell people that
Speaker 1: it's a sunny day outside when they are being dumped
Speaker 1: on every day and they have been for a couple
Speaker 1: of years now, with an expectation of it getting worse
Speaker 1: on some levels before it gets better. So again the
Speaker 1: four D chests of oh, if the Reserve Bank governor
Speaker 1: has to give a speech, well then everyone will blame
Speaker 1: the governor. No, the governor gets to make an almost
Speaker 1: monthly statement about how bad the federal government is and
Speaker 1: how their rosy picture is exactly that garbage rolatipe.
Speaker 2: They need to have a structured opportunity to explain and
Speaker 2: defend those decisions, and they exist at the moment. The
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank Governor does provide public commentary and has tried
Speaker 2: to explain and in some cases defend decisions taken by
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank Board. But what the recommendations today are
Speaker 2: all about is making that more structured.
Speaker 1: Now, again this is the four D chess. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: here's the actual governor telling you what the expectation is.
Speaker 1: Forget the government telling you it's about to fall. Forget
Speaker 1: the media that's spinning on the behalf of the government
Speaker 1: because they know interest rates could be a reason why
Speaker 1: they're headed into a minority scenario. So what does this
Speaker 1: all mean.
Speaker 3: Well, the recent data, I think your degree have been
Speaker 3: a little mixed, but overall they reinforce the need to
Speaker 3: maintain a restrictive monetary policy stance and remain vigilant to
Speaker 3: the upside risk to inflation. The Board needs to be
Speaker 3: confident that inflation is moving sustainably towards the target for
Speaker 3: any decisions are made about a reduction and interest rates.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean the serious people know the difference between
Speaker 1: inflation rates that are bought off by stunts that only
Speaker 1: last twelve months, that result in a twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: credit on your power bill versus a structural change of
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five dollars, which, remember, was their promise.
Speaker 1: But you're not allowed to mention that because the modeling
Speaker 1: has changed. Honestly, look, I get it. If this was
Speaker 1: a second term government, we'd be talking about them getting
Speaker 1: swept from office. It's a first term government. Australians, don't
Speaker 1: burn them out. I'll show you some polling data about
Speaker 1: all that later. But these people are so cocky, so arrogant,
Speaker 1: that they think that they can tell you that up
Speaker 1: is down, black is white, left is right. They just
Speaker 1: think the sheer magnetism of their argument and that anyone
Speaker 1: who pushes back must be ignored to the extent where,
Speaker 1: of course, will introduce a piece of legislation to silence
Speaker 1: the critics of the government or you being able to
Speaker 1: share videos like the one that you may will be
Speaker 1: watching now because it's misinformation, as declared of course by
Speaker 1: the left wing think tanks advising the left wing bureaucrats who,
Speaker 1: among other things, think Kylin Jackie Oh should not be
Speaker 1: on the radio. Come on now. Remember, of course, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister talked garbage yesterday when he was talking about supermarkets,
Speaker 1: trying to pretend that the a trible c action against
Speaker 1: Colesonwooli is about price reductions that may well not as
Speaker 1: they seemed. Is the single reason why inflation has stayed
Speaker 1: where it is.
Speaker 4: No when you're charging more for products than you should,
Speaker 4: it of course has an inflationary impact by definition, and
Speaker 4: we know that inflation is what the Reserve Bank is
Speaker 4: concentrating on in terms of monetary policy, as they should.
Speaker 1: What annoys me the most to you is that there
Speaker 1: are people who claim to know the world far better
Speaker 1: than you and I, people who claim to be great
Speaker 1: granular experts in everything from the economy to politics and
Speaker 1: all in between, and they let that crap run. They
Speaker 1: don't turn around and say, hang on, certain that's garbage,
Speaker 1: because they know, like I know, like you know, that
Speaker 1: there are a whole collection of things in the basket
Speaker 1: of goods which are what are calculated when it comes
Speaker 1: to inflation. I have to keep going back to this
Speaker 1: because I want you to be armed with the information
Speaker 1: to have the argument with the family with the friends. Okay.
Speaker 1: Prime Minister says, oh, it's all coals and wool is fault. Okay,
Speaker 1: how a Coles and Wool is involved in the insurance business.
Speaker 1: Are they involved in the education sector, the health sector,
Speaker 1: the housing sector, the transport sector, rely the communications sector.
Speaker 1: Because you see all of those things, including the taxes
Speaker 1: on tobacco, but we're not allowed to say that, are
Speaker 1: we All of those things increase inflation. Them turning around
Speaker 1: and saying things like well, petrol's slightly down because the
Speaker 1: prices are ever so better, they're the ones that increase
Speaker 1: the taxes. They could have dropped it. Instead, they put
Speaker 1: the tax up to fifty cents a later, which is
Speaker 1: exactly the same amount of tax, whether it's at two
Speaker 1: dollars a letter or it's at a dollar eighty five.
Speaker 1: The power price thing is artificial. And again I pretend
Speaker 1: not to play some economic expert on television. I've just
Speaker 1: been around long enough, and I've had enough of the
Speaker 1: lies and the garbage and the bs and the look
Speaker 1: over here, look over here. This is the real story. No,
Speaker 1: the real story is how three point seven million people
Speaker 1: last year suffered food insecurity. The real story is that
Speaker 1: the total amount of monthly repayments on a mortgage has
Speaker 1: gone up sixty one percent since this mob became the government,
Speaker 1: and their central promise was to lower the cost of living.
Speaker 1: And if they get lucky or they buy their way
Speaker 1: to a result, I truly trust the Australian people not
Speaker 1: to believe that the people who set the fire are
Speaker 1: the ones who are going to claim to put it out,
Speaker 1: because they're blowing very softly on it. An excellent point
Speaker 1: made by Chris Mitchell in the Australian Media Section. He's
Speaker 1: the former editor of the Australian newspaper. Now how he
Speaker 1: talks about the heavy cost of an economically illiterate media. Now, again,
Speaker 1: I do not pretend to be some economics expert. I've
Speaker 1: just been around for long enough to see the cycles,
Speaker 1: to learn the bs and to know their tactics. And
Speaker 1: also the joy of the system we live in is
Speaker 1: that I don't have to go to Camber to get
Speaker 1: the reports from the Reserve Bank or the ATO or
Speaker 1: the Bureau Statistics. They're on a website every day. This
Speaker 1: column has often criticized the nation's journalists have been too
Speaker 1: concerned with the way governments fund social projects but less
Speaker 1: worried about the growing economic pie to ensure that there
Speaker 1: are enough jobs and taxes to pay for such programs. Yes, hallelujah,
Speaker 1: much of this media cannot see pass gotcha questions about
Speaker 1: potential spinning cuts by the coalition or desperately trying to
Speaker 1: seek out the possible losers of any proposed economic reform.
Speaker 1: Perfect example of this the total budget of the ndis,
Speaker 1: and the fear is about how much money that that
Speaker 1: costs and how wildly out of control all of that is.
Speaker 1: So much so that even Bill Shorten, before he's heading
Speaker 1: out the door to take on the job that was
Speaker 1: given to him by, among others, the person who he
Speaker 1: hired to do an independent review into the ndis oh
Speaker 1: the camera bubble. Of course, if that was a lip,
Speaker 1: we'd still be talking about it as a controversy. But
Speaker 1: you know, not even a day long story. Federal and
Speaker 1: state debt matters. It is huge, it is blooming, and
Speaker 1: like any debt, if you keep adding to it, the
Speaker 1: cost of paying it off goes up. State governments in
Speaker 1: particular expected to borrow more than one hundred one hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollars this year to cover the surge in public spending.
Speaker 1: Just under sixty percent of new state and territory debt
Speaker 1: is being issued by ah the labor states, one trying
Speaker 1: to buy a lection, one trying to cover their backside.
Speaker 1: Queensland and Victoria abbitt schnuffing Sea. Here you're getting one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars off on your power bill and fifty cent fares.
Speaker 1: You'll be stupid enough to vote for this? Well, thankfully
Speaker 1: all the polls tell us nuh, Queensland won't. With the
Speaker 1: state set to borrow more than the Commonwealth for the
Speaker 1: second consecutive year, the combined interest bill on growing federal
Speaker 1: and state debts is expected to climb to forty four
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Repeat the combined interest bill, So not the
Speaker 1: principle you're not paying off the debt, you're paying off
Speaker 1: the cost of the money is forty four billion dollars
Speaker 1: a year. That is the entire ends. And remember, if
Speaker 1: we're about to head into structural deficit, that means deeper
Speaker 1: deficits added to each other for the next twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Prior to the pandemic, the total amount that we were
Speaker 1: paying off twenty five billion dollars in interest. So yes,
Speaker 1: no doubt, job keeper, all of that job seeker. But
Speaker 1: remember before the slippery little snake charmer, as Bromin calls
Speaker 1: the Treasurer, gets his hands around it and pretends it's
Speaker 1: all liberal debt. Remember, his position was that job keepers
Speaker 1: should have cost more. His position was that the taxpayer
Speaker 1: should have bought Virgin airlines because his expertise is spinning
Speaker 1: new to a media that wants to be spun because
Speaker 1: they don't want to tell you the same story every
Speaker 1: day because they think it's boring and they think you
Speaker 1: don't care. But another perfect example of perhaps what Chris
Speaker 1: was talking about, but also just the ease with which
Speaker 1: people just say, he you know what, more debt, literally
Speaker 1: more debt. This is the apparent economics reporter, one of
Speaker 1: the economics reporters for the ABSC on ABC Radio in
Speaker 1: Sydney today Remember the entirety of the NDAs forty four
Speaker 1: b four billion dollars is the interest on federal and
Speaker 1: state debt. He says, I would, I would. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just me saying it, but I would personally
Speaker 1: say throw caution to the wind on debt and just
Speaker 1: go bananas.
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, debt it's only borrowed money controlled by other people.
Speaker 1: When you end up owing money to other countries, they
Speaker 1: end up owning you, which means a whole bunch of consequence.
Speaker 1: What just more, who cares? No one's ever going to
Speaker 1: call in the debt in Australia. No, what ends up
Speaker 1: happening is the your credit rating starts to fall down,
Speaker 1: which means the cost of the debt goes up. And
Speaker 1: I'm justin idiot Bogan sitting here in skying his primetime
Speaker 1: and how do I know that? And the economics bloke
Speaker 1: on the ABC doesn't or he does and doesn't care. Meantime,
Speaker 1: let's talk about more very bad holes for the Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: and they are starting to panic some of his mates
Speaker 1: in the media. Now today the essential pole, which of
Speaker 1: course comes out in the turnbul Times the Guardian. It
Speaker 1: shows that Australians believe the country is headed in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction by such a margin. In fact, since this
Speaker 1: government came to power, there's and a twenty five percent
Speaker 1: increase to fifty two percent of people who think the
Speaker 1: joints headed in the wrong direction, a seventeen percent reduction
Speaker 1: in the number of people whoink we're headed in the
Speaker 1: right direction, and seventeen percent reduction in the number of
Speaker 1: people who are unsure. They're a rounding errors, So forgive
Speaker 1: me if it doesn't always add up to one hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm going off for their numbers. Interestingly, every demographic bar
Speaker 1: one thinks that we are headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: Blokes fifty percent of them wrong direction, Women fifty four
Speaker 1: percent wrong direction, younger people, whatever man, hand me a
Speaker 1: vape thirty three, thirty five to fifty four. These people
Speaker 1: decide elections, all right. When they swing hard against the
Speaker 1: last government, they lost. If they swing hard against this government,
Speaker 1: they will find themselves in a very significant minority position.
Speaker 1: The older you get, the smarter you are, and you
Speaker 1: know what this joint is. What's happening to this joint
Speaker 1: under the rule of this mob that have of course,
Speaker 1: interest rates, inflation, debt, whatever man meantime, worth notting here
Speaker 1: too about the overall numbers and the primary vote. Again
Speaker 1: in the Turnbull Times, it shows that the Labor Party
Speaker 1: is down three points in the last election twenty nine percent. Well,
Speaker 1: they lose a few on that. The question though, and
Speaker 1: this is why, don't buy into this one term stuff.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: I get how much you want it, I get how
Speaker 1: much I want it, I get how much the country
Speaker 1: needs it. But unless the vote moves from one major
Speaker 1: party to another major party, then basically everyone ends up
Speaker 1: preferencing the Labor Party. So that's how they end up
Speaker 1: either saving their own backside or getting themselves into minority.
Speaker 1: Now again, have a look at this, Have a look
Speaker 1: at all of the scenarios here that are playing out
Speaker 1: before your very eyes there. This is why the eight
Speaker 1: percent of the ten percent of the election electric that
Speaker 1: is One Nation or United Australian Party. Your preferences matter,
Speaker 1: Buckle them all, put them all last. Guess what you'll
Speaker 1: get Labor now. Interestingly, of course, the Prime Minister thinks
Speaker 1: there is a way of saving his own backside, and
Speaker 1: that is to say, Peter dunn't peda dudn't peda dudn't
Speaker 1: as much as I can because everyone hates him, right.
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's nuclear plan, which yesterday he gave a speech
Speaker 6: on and which had no costings, no detail. Peter Dutton
Speaker 6: has never believed in taking action on climate change. The
Speaker 6: only person who's been critical of the AZIO Director General
Speaker 6: is Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton recently got himself an account
Speaker 6: on TikTok. So they're a bit all over the shop
Speaker 6: when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: Well, ye're watching sunshine because the Channel N newspapers filled
Speaker 1: with people who hate Peter Dutton. Their entire sort of
Speaker 1: cartoon back catalog is attempts at trying to ridicule Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: Very little of it when it comes to the Prime minister,
Speaker 1: because you know, then he might not invite us to
Speaker 1: the lodge. We mightn't get an invite to Kiribilly House.
Speaker 1: He may not come around and have dinner with us.
Speaker 1: All this happens, by the way, You know what, I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you. The truth makes me as unpopular as
Speaker 1: I am in the wider media, but I don't care
Speaker 1: to work for them, work for you. Here is the
Speaker 1: preferred Prime minister numbers. Let's have a look. In December
Speaker 1: last year, where forty three to twenty seven. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. In no way he's ever going to be elected.
Speaker 1: Guess what's happened since. Well, let's have a look at
Speaker 1: the most recent numbers. It chows Albo is down eight
Speaker 1: percent nationally as preferred prime minister. He's down eight percent
Speaker 1: with both men and women. He's down six percent with
Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty fours. He's down nine percent with thirty
Speaker 1: five to fifty four year olds, the ones who will
Speaker 1: decide the election. Remember, there is more people under the
Speaker 1: age of fifty than over the age of fifty. So
Speaker 1: when you see people like thirty five to fifty moving
Speaker 1: against him, that's a bad sign. Fifty five plus nine percent.
Speaker 1: As for Peter Dutton, he's up seven percent nationally, five
Speaker 1: percent with women, twelve percent with men, six percent with
Speaker 1: eighteen all the way to fifty four and up eleven
Speaker 1: percent fifty five plus. So when Peter Dutton is over
Speaker 1: the strike zone like he was tonight with our mate
Speaker 1: Chris Kenny, he is in exactly the right place.
Speaker 7: Chris.
Speaker 8: I just think Poles and Wallies have got a all
Speaker 8: over the prime ministry. I think they see him as
Speaker 8: most Australians do, and that is weak and unable to
Speaker 8: make a tough decision. The Prime Minister has been sitting
Speaker 8: on a report that they received from Craig Emerson about
Speaker 8: what code of conduct should be put in.
Speaker 1: Place for months and months and months and months. Nothing's happened.
Speaker 8: It's like the gambling reforms, It's like everything this government does.
Speaker 1: One or other thing on poles. Because this is the
Speaker 1: bit that's got some of his mates worried. This is
Speaker 1: the primary vote that happened in the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 1: I don't expect you to read all of these numbers
Speaker 1: at once, follow the colors if you wish, just pick
Speaker 1: one indicase, as I said, the Labor Party's vote is down,
Speaker 1: because this is what it looks like right now. If
Speaker 1: you go state by state where Labor is down by
Speaker 1: four percent in you South Whills, three percent, in Victoria
Speaker 1: two percent, in Queensland eight percent, eight percent. They're down
Speaker 1: in Western Australia seven percent. They're down in South Australia. However,
Speaker 1: the Libs are in the same spot they were at
Speaker 1: the election in Western Australia and South Australia, where of
Speaker 1: course they lost seats there in Quens and they're up
Speaker 1: in Victoria. They're up in New South Wells, which means yes,
Speaker 1: there would be some movement. But that's why, as frustrated
Speaker 1: as I am the Independence which seem to be rising,
Speaker 1: we know which way they end up going. The Green's
Speaker 1: the same. I repeat, one nation, UAP libertarian. Your preference matters.
Speaker 1: If you do anything but choose, in my view, the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party as your second preference, then guess what you're
Speaker 1: going to get Labor again. The only way to shock
Speaker 1: them like you did in twenty nineteen is not put
Speaker 1: them all last, but put the Greens last, Labor before,
Speaker 1: and then obviously the lives in a higher position. But
Speaker 1: I mentioned panic. Paulvon Johner, great lefty lover of Sky News.
Speaker 1: Ooh he hates us, he writes in the Union Superannuation
Speaker 1: News website. Yes I know it does exist, and he
Speaker 1: writes that Labour needs alban Ezy to lift his game
Speaker 1: or call an election, because he thinks that an election
Speaker 1: would flush out all of the lies of Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: Alban Easy could stop all the Grands standing by calling
Speaker 1: an election. After the state election in Queensland in October,
Speaker 1: there is every chance that a labor route at the
Speaker 1: Queenslane Pole could clear the air for federal labor in
Speaker 1: the state. Bone. I like your offer. Let's do it now.
Speaker 1: As we know, the generation of lefties have told us
Speaker 1: that you must finish your twelve. If you do not
Speaker 1: finish your twelve, you're a failure. If you go off
Speaker 1: and become a trade you're absolutely a failure. Because everyone
Speaker 1: must go to university. Well, there is an amazing story
Speaker 1: which will be on the front page of The Australian tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but it's up on the website now so I can
Speaker 1: talk about it now. Of course, more people than ever
Speaker 1: before have got university degrees, but the bill of unpaid
Speaker 1: hex or help debt is the biggest it's ever been
Speaker 1: in the country. Have a look at this graph, all right,
Speaker 1: this is extraordinary. A total of eighty one b four
Speaker 1: billion dollars, so virtually twice the annual budget of the
Speaker 1: Indias or twice the annual interest payments on state and
Speaker 1: federal debt. Have a look at this. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and five it was twelve billion dollars that students owed
Speaker 1: for the university degrees that they've done. But more people
Speaker 1: doing more degrees has increased. The debt In two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen, ten years later it was forty seven billion
Speaker 1: dollars and this year it's eighty one billion dollars. And
Speaker 1: the number of people who owe more than one hundred
Speaker 1: grand in their hex or help debt it used to
Speaker 1: be two thousand people about fifteen years ago. It's now
Speaker 1: fifty six thousand people who owe you and either taxpayer
Speaker 1: are one hundred thousand dollars to help pay for them
Speaker 1: to go to UNI. Now this makes sense if you're
Speaker 1: a doctor or a lawyer and engineer. It makes zero
Speaker 1: if like me, the best you could ever do was
Speaker 1: an arts to agree with some fun little stuff on
Speaker 1: the side. I paid it back. The idea that eighty
Speaker 1: two billion dollars is currently owed to the Australian taxpayer
Speaker 1: because you see, the university system is so good for
Speaker 1: the UNI that theoretically you have to be this smart
Speaker 1: to qualify. But then we'll let the international students pay
Speaker 1: and then we'll just fill the room with everyone who's left.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be qualified, you just have to
Speaker 1: turn up, because you see, the taxpayer will pay the
Speaker 1: full fee for you to study whatever you want, regardless
Speaker 1: of whether it's going to lead to a job or not,
Speaker 1: or whether you'll ever earn fifty thousand dollars to actually
Speaker 1: pay it back because you know, debt's just let's more
Speaker 1: play eighty two billion dollars in university dead fed. Wow.
Speaker 1: A couple of things about local council before we move
Speaker 1: on to the discussion this evening, as always can send
Speaker 1: me in him up. Well, let's go one news dot
Speaker 1: com dot AU Australian Day now. Way too many councils,
Speaker 1: of course, are affected by the woksooks who believe, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't have a national Day. By the way, April
Speaker 1: the thirteenth won't be a better day for any of
Speaker 1: these people. All the Invasion Day crowd feel no better
Speaker 1: about June fourteenth, or even an Australian version of June
Speaker 1: teenth on the twelfth if they want. They don't want
Speaker 1: any recognition, let alone celebration of our national Day. Well,
Speaker 1: as you may will have heard, a counsel in Adelaide
Speaker 1: which made the decision to give Australia Day the Biscuit,
Speaker 1: has now voted to put it back where it should
Speaker 1: be January the twenty sixth. Again, for those that are
Speaker 1: half listening, I'm fine with a Marlbo Day. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with the noul piece and model of two public holidays,
Speaker 1: one for the twenty fifth for before, one for twenty
Speaker 1: sixth for the current All fine by me because you
Speaker 1: know we had our public holidays like Grand Final ones
Speaker 1: in Victoria coming up on Friday. Thank you, Daniel Andrews.
Speaker 1: Please have a gold medal for your administration of the state.
Speaker 1: The mayor of this council in Adelaide was speaking to
Speaker 1: Adelaide's own Chris Kenney tonight.
Speaker 9: Seventy two percent of our community said we should hold
Speaker 9: an Australia Day community event in twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 9: sixty one percent of our community said that we should
Speaker 9: have the citizenship Sarah me on Australia Day.
Speaker 1: I think that guy was also involved in taking it
Speaker 1: off as straight to day. But what anyway, good good,
Speaker 1: good good decision made now. I don't understand how every
Speaker 1: local council doesn't attach to its local council elections a
Speaker 1: plebocide on this stuff, because I think we all know
Speaker 1: how people are going to vote, but of course you
Speaker 1: don't want to ask anyone because if you ask people
Speaker 1: then you have to do what they say, which in
Speaker 1: this case is again full awareness of our history, but
Speaker 1: total hope in our future, which is why I'm fine
Speaker 1: with Australia Day on January twenty sixth, and a Marlbow
Speaker 1: Day or anything else you want to on the twenty fifth. Now,
Speaker 1: when it comes to Harris versus Trump, latest official polling
Speaker 1: has actually been pretty good for Trump. I won't bore
Speaker 1: you with too much of the details here, but of course,
Speaker 1: so in America for some reason that it takes so
Speaker 1: long to vote, like in Australia with thirty people vote
Speaker 1: early because they can't be buggered, you know, waiting for
Speaker 1: five minutes a lot longer than five minutes to vote
Speaker 1: in places like the United States. So put your poles away,
Speaker 1: put your bedding away, put your smart alex on television away.
Speaker 1: Because there is a bakery in Ohio that has apparently
Speaker 1: accurately picked since nineteen eighty four the winner of the
Speaker 1: presidential election. Pretty simple. You buy the Trump cookie the
Speaker 1: Harris cookie, and they are buying the Trump cookie. Trump
Speaker 1: has notched up about fifty four percent or two thy
Speaker 1: nine hundred of the cookies compared to one hundred or
Speaker 1: thirty nine percent for Harris. Three hundred and ninety seven
Speaker 1: people have voted independent, so even if all of them
Speaker 1: went to Harris Trump would be the winner. So that's it.
Speaker 1: We don't need an election. That's how the cookie crumbles.
Speaker 1: Oh dad jokes, quick break back more here on Paulmurray Live.
Speaker 1: Lots to get to this Tuesday night. I'm glad you here.
Speaker 1: Remember Australia first. We'll look at the rest of the world,
Speaker 1: but this joint matters first, especially your joint. I've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to this all day. Other than the great
Speaker 1: Joe Hildebrand, who is of many different parishes, and how
Speaker 1: are you This.
Speaker 7: Is the only one I care about. The others mean
Speaker 7: nothing to me.
Speaker 1: You say that all the hosts, none other than, of course,
Speaker 1: with the Telegraph, and he's here in the man cave.
Speaker 1: Lisa god is with the dony media. She's in Brisbane
Speaker 1: right now. Kiss the ground for me. Queensland's amazing, thirty
Speaker 1: two days, the country a new beginning, fingers crossed. So
Speaker 1: what about one of the old lefties in the press gallery,
Speaker 1: Paul bon Johno. So let's have an election straight after
Speaker 1: the Queen's election, because this label will be able to
Speaker 1: expose everything. I mean, the economy apparently doesn't matter. What
Speaker 1: great advice is this the type of advice that MAT's getting.
Speaker 7: In the law, Christ Almighty, I hope not.
Speaker 10: Yeah, look obviously, I mean maybe put Maybe Paul I
Speaker 10: just lives in a place where every day is opposite.
Speaker 10: Stay and you do the exact opposite of whatever, which
Speaker 10: is a fantastic option.
Speaker 7: I can assure you, Albo, if you're watching, do not
Speaker 7: call an election. Stick to the plan.
Speaker 10: Do not listen to Paul I do the exact say,
Speaker 10: Oh my god, the government's tanking.
Speaker 7: You better call an election right now.
Speaker 10: It's like, oh, really, because otherwise otherwise he'll just keep
Speaker 10: going down further. Because I'm reading the poll and I'm
Speaker 10: looking at this line, the lines going correct.
Speaker 7: And the funny thing is Paul.
Speaker 10: I don't know how Paul survived as a political editor
Speaker 10: or whatever on earth he was.
Speaker 7: I don't think he broke a story in the entire
Speaker 7: time there.
Speaker 10: But the thing is right, the polls don't just magically happen.
Speaker 7: They're not just sequences of zeros and ones.
Speaker 10: They're not just move and red lines and just go
Speaker 10: up and down, kind of like some kind of weird
Speaker 10: algorithm or the weird sort of pattern on your TV
Speaker 10: where it's in power. Something that's right the polls, and
Speaker 10: I know this is an absolute Just get your pen out, mate,
Speaker 10: get your pen out, put on your red glasses, going
Speaker 10: to lay your pen out right by daddy ready. The
Speaker 10: poles respond to actual events, to the real world, to
Speaker 10: things that are happening in it. So if things happen
Speaker 10: in the real world, then the way people think about
Speaker 10: those things changes. So when people are upset with the
Speaker 10: government because interest rates are very high and not coming down,
Speaker 10: when interest rates start to come down, when they get happier,
Speaker 10: and when they get happier, they give different answers to
Speaker 10: the pollsters who call them up, and then the poles change.
Speaker 7: You could call it pole bonjourno.
Speaker 1: Ding I like, and I thought I did the good
Speaker 1: dad joke. You just beat me Lisa again right now
Speaker 1: again this message it's not about him directly, right, but
Speaker 1: it's just this idea that the opposition is so weak,
Speaker 1: the government is so amazing. Everyone would think Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: is so awful that given a small amount of exposure,
Speaker 1: he would become as radioactive as the energy policy. See
Speaker 1: what I did. I'm trying to win back that's the
Speaker 1: dad gags. You're right, yeah, but every pole is showing
Speaker 1: a seat now again, I sit here, we all know
Speaker 1: what I want to happen on an election. I don't pretend
Speaker 1: it's not going to be a minority government. It's it's
Speaker 1: minorities as low as they're going to go, right because
Speaker 1: of first term government, all the preferences, all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. Right, But the idea that Queensland is, you know,
Speaker 1: you're all knuckle draggers who don't know the difference between
Speaker 1: state and federal politics. Apparently because once you got rid
Speaker 1: of Stephen Miles, well then suddenly everyone falls in love
Speaker 1: with Albert.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yep, we're just going to absolutely go against labor
Speaker 11: here in Queensland. The bloodshed will happen and look, Albert
Speaker 11: will be just fine. That's the theory behind is employing
Speaker 11: the Paul Bon journo. Right, yeah, yeah, Look, there's a
Speaker 11: lot of much later in this state. At the minute,
Speaker 11: I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is leaving heap going.
Speaker 11: Sorry, yeah, I was gonna say what they're leaving out
Speaker 11: of this is you've got one in five Australians, it's
Speaker 11: estimated now holding a second job. Because I just can't
Speaker 11: afford the pressures of both cost of living and inflation.
Speaker 11: That's what they're fighting against. That's why they're seeing the
Speaker 11: poll numbers that they are. And Joe's right, they need
Speaker 11: to actually put some policies on the table and make
Speaker 11: some actual change if they're going to see these poles
Speaker 11: turn around. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Well, but also, as I mentioned before, I find it in
Speaker 1: the notes. But what is it sixty one percent of
Speaker 1: the overall amount that people are paying back every month's
Speaker 1: come up by sixty one percent, right, so even when
Speaker 1: interest rates turn around, it's half a percent. Okay, yes, sentiment,
Speaker 1: all of it, But the actual life that consequences are
Speaker 1: not going to be the first rate cut.
Speaker 7: No, that's right.
Speaker 10: Will it will be it will be the It will
Speaker 10: not be that the race the rate cut will be
Speaker 10: a magic bullet that will make people's lives better. It
Speaker 10: will just be that this is a sign that things
Speaker 10: are getting better in the future.
Speaker 7: Bottom deck.
Speaker 10: I feel more positive, and they do have to get
Speaker 10: their hatred of Stephen Miles and Queensland labor out of
Speaker 10: their system, but that doesn't.
Speaker 7: That's not going to go away.
Speaker 10: What you actually want is for the Libs to be
Speaker 10: the l and pter b empower in Queensland for a
Speaker 10: good sort of few months and people think they sort
Speaker 10: of have a buffer as well. They will be in
Speaker 10: the honeymoon Perpertilly, Oh this guy's all right, and then
Speaker 10: they'll think, oh, maybe labor is not so bad. We'll
Speaker 10: have a bit of an each way bet correct, and
Speaker 10: the interust rates are cut, you know, everyone says they're
Speaker 10: going to come down further or maybe things aren't so bad,
Speaker 10: we'll give him another term. And that's what every labor government, sorry,
Speaker 10: every Australian government has received since World War II.
Speaker 1: So generally speaking, of course, we all know that, yes
Speaker 1: it happens, but Australian seem to prefer one color at
Speaker 1: the state, one color at the federal.
Speaker 10: That's right, a level of balance, that's right. It's a good, solid,
Speaker 10: safe each way. Bet It happened with Carr and Howard.
Speaker 10: It happened in Victoria in ninet ninety two when Jeff
Speaker 10: Kennett won in a landslide in October or November, and
Speaker 10: then in March or February March the following year. So
Speaker 10: again a few months later, once Kennett was in and
Speaker 10: doing all sorts of big cuts and blah blah blah. People, Actually,
Speaker 10: maybe we'll just keep labor in federally. Is a bit
Speaker 10: of insurance possible. And it was those Victorian seats that
Speaker 10: made Paul Kitting win the unwinnable election.
Speaker 1: While we aren't rattling the cage of some liftings, can
Speaker 1: we do so again today where Peter Dutton has come
Speaker 1: out and said, you know what, one of the jobs
Speaker 1: he will get rid of should he ever become Prime
Speaker 1: Minister is going to be a First Nations And now,
Speaker 1: of course there's a person who represents anyway. This is
Speaker 1: what he said today.
Speaker 5: If it is the case that we win the next election,
Speaker 5: that position will be abolished on day one and that
Speaker 5: money will be spent to help Australian sort of struggling
Speaker 5: at the moment to keep a roof over their head
Speaker 5: or to pay their electricity bill. We've got higher priorities
Speaker 5: at the moment.
Speaker 1: But of course Penny Wong says, why don't someone think
Speaker 1: about the international community.
Speaker 12: It's disappointing that mister Dutton doesn't see a role for
Speaker 12: Indigenous Australians in representing Australia. And we see again his
Speaker 12: character on display. He divides us at home and frankly
Speaker 12: he diminishes us in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right, I mean just enterprise, not at all
Speaker 1: involved in a potential cabinet, let alone other members of
Speaker 1: the opposition. But Lisa, I read this all the time.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's always generally speaking, I'm going to say
Speaker 1: something about lefties, but yes, the right wing can do
Speaker 1: it from time to time as well, right as they're
Speaker 1: currently say doing with Nicko, which is, well, look what
Speaker 1: they're doing everything else in the world. Why don't we
Speaker 1: do what everyone else is doing in the world. Great? Cool?
Speaker 1: Could we have Singapore's tax policy, Could we have a
Speaker 1: New Zealand's could we have the tobacco laws from Italy?
Speaker 1: It's not a buffet. And as soon as we start
Speaker 1: to turn around and say, well, the international community, I
Speaker 1: mean we'll just become pariahs if we do this or
Speaker 1: do that, or in this case, don't have somebody who yes,
Speaker 1: represents indigenous peoples but does not represent the sovereign state.
Speaker 1: The sovereign state is the foreign Minister.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I completely agree, and also think back to when
Speaker 11: we were having the Voice debate. It was all about
Speaker 11: we were being shamed on the international stage because we
Speaker 11: weren't backing the Voice, remember those that those accusations were
Speaker 11: being thrown around to all the no voters.
Speaker 1: Correct that money, rather than.
Speaker 11: Going through the cost of living and Australian's cute blanche,
Speaker 11: put it back into the indigenous communities. Would that not
Speaker 11: be the argument that you would make that if you
Speaker 11: were back to the days where you've got elbow, where
Speaker 11: he spent the first sixteen months of his time in
Speaker 11: power actually focused on the Voice and not much else.
Speaker 11: But surely now they should be saying, well, let's put
Speaker 11: more of that money back into those indigenous communities.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and look, look to be honest, whatever happens to
Speaker 1: the next election, that will be the ruling. The line
Speaker 1: underneath the distraction of the focus of the government when
Speaker 1: cost of living was getting wildly out of control and
Speaker 1: they were banging on, of course about the change of
Speaker 1: the constitution. But again, Joe, you've seen plenty of people
Speaker 1: argue this line, right, which is the how will the
Speaker 1: international community think about us right now? I'm completely aware
Speaker 1: that we are in a more connected world than ever before,
Speaker 1: and we're part of this, and we're part of that,
Speaker 1: and We're not an island that doesn't communicate by the
Speaker 1: rest of the world, and we don't have histories that
Speaker 1: need to be doing fine with all of that. But
Speaker 1: the least convincing line about keeping an essentially meaningless ceremonial
Speaker 1: position is what other countries think of it.
Speaker 7: It is the stupidest reason for doing it.
Speaker 10: I'm sure, I hope there are good reasons for having
Speaker 10: a First Nations ambassador. I mean, I couldn't give a
Speaker 10: rats what other countries think of us, accepting so far
Speaker 10: as we're strategically protected from foreign and we've got a
Speaker 10: good trading relationship with we need so that's right. It
Speaker 10: should be all about you know, the Australian government is
Speaker 10: not the UN it is the Australian government should be
Speaker 10: governing in the best insight.
Speaker 1: Don't tell any that she's working it off in the
Speaker 1: Middle East.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you want it, that's right.
Speaker 10: If you wanted well, if you wanted you know, I mean,
Speaker 10: you would think that the most important role of a
Speaker 10: First Nation's ambassador would be to make representations to the
Speaker 10: Australian government, correct, which of course is what the Voice
Speaker 10: was initially intended to do.
Speaker 1: And push it up it's gone.
Speaker 10: I know that's right, but certainly was what was your
Speaker 10: last one? What I was what I was told that
Speaker 10: it was going to be. And so again, if you're
Speaker 10: going to represent First Nations people in Australia and put
Speaker 10: their interests front and center, the people you would want
Speaker 10: to be talking to, and not any other foreign government
Speaker 10: but the Australian government, and you would want someone who
Speaker 10: says things like, you know, this is what's happening in
Speaker 10: our communities in Alice Springs, this is what's happening in
Speaker 10: our remote communities, this is what's happening in Wilcanya. You know,
Speaker 10: these are the things we need. This is what's not working.
Speaker 10: Can you can we do it this way instead? But look,
Speaker 10: I mean the explanation I saw for for this guy's
Speaker 10: roles did seem pretty bully to me. I have to say,
Speaker 10: you know, it was in accordance with the strategic alignments
Speaker 10: and whatever, and.
Speaker 7: We need some straight talk.
Speaker 11: The dollars on the travel, it's the dollars on the
Speaker 11: travel that we're really good under the bondard of most Australians,
Speaker 11: I think, correct?
Speaker 1: Correct? What can you prove for it?
Speaker 7: All?
Speaker 1: Right? Quick breaking plenty to talk about including Look, we're
Speaker 1: all focused about kids and social media. What about adults?
Speaker 1: We're plenty hooked on it. Also, there was such a
Speaker 1: great chat the other night about pets on planes? What
Speaker 1: about pets for renters? Want to sing? Joe Hildebrand talking
Speaker 1: common sense is always really favorite. This is his favorite
Speaker 1: camera right now.
Speaker 7: This is my safe space.
Speaker 1: Only seven scores, but I love it all right, And
Speaker 1: Lisa got out, of course from Adoni Media now doing
Speaker 1: great suffers in Brisy. I want to start with you,
Speaker 1: Lisa about the supermarket stuff, right, because I think the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister thinks that he's got finally the scapegoat. Now
Speaker 1: with the case and all the rest of it, Can
Speaker 1: I just make a bold prediction, by the way, it'll
Speaker 1: get settled, just like all of these things end up
Speaker 1: taking place. Yes, there'll be some you know, reputation, all
Speaker 1: this and that along the way, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, as we have shown with four big banks,
Speaker 1: as we will show with two major supermarkets, as we will,
Speaker 1: we all know people will revert back to type. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what do you think of how this has played
Speaker 1: out in the past twenty four hours? That do you Yeah,
Speaker 1: who do you think has either the most to gain
Speaker 1: the most to lose, or just like a royal commission
Speaker 1: into the banks, we're exactly where we were the day before.
Speaker 11: You mean it goes nowhere, Paul Murray? Is that what
Speaker 11: you're saying, You're going to go through all of this
Speaker 11: and not much full change. Is that what you're saying now?
Speaker 11: I don't believe it. At the end of the day,
Speaker 11: it's the average shopper gets done over. What surprised me
Speaker 11: with this was that it was strepsls strepsels in October.
Speaker 11: That's not even flu season. So it was just ad
Speaker 11: a weird example of how they were caught out with
Speaker 11: the prices going up, up, up, instead of you down,
Speaker 11: down down. But look, I think Albanezy was very very
Speaker 11: fast to jump on this, so that he did, he
Speaker 11: saw it as a life raft. Politically, I think to
Speaker 11: try to prove that. Look, it's their fault and their
Speaker 11: fault nothing to do with us is cost of living.
Speaker 11: That's inflation coming from supermarkets, So I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean the difficult is in and around
Speaker 1: the political side of groceries, right is in any two
Speaker 1: year period, I guarantee everything costs more than it did
Speaker 1: two years ago. Right now, the margins by which is
Speaker 1: all the conversation. But as soon as you start sort
Speaker 1: of hitching your political fortunes to bread should be this
Speaker 1: much and milk should be that much, it's not going
Speaker 1: to work. Hence why the housing stuff is the major deal.
Speaker 1: I know you've got a rant on it, but I
Speaker 1: want to get to something else here, which is that
Speaker 1: for all the talking kids and social media and the
Speaker 1: great needs for that to be dealt with, let's deal
Speaker 1: with adults on the internet. All right now, We've all
Speaker 1: got one person in our family. It may well be
Speaker 1: you who right now? Yeah, poor, good stuff? Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: that's good. So I love you to see you look
Speaker 1: and you're on the device while watching at the same time.
Speaker 1: All right now, Joe, we know that people are very
Speaker 1: plugged in, but let's also be honest too that there
Speaker 1: may well be a lot of people watching us who
Speaker 1: now live by themselves whatever different reason, and things like Facebook,
Speaker 1: Instagram they become their way of interacting with the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. What do you think about an adults
Speaker 1: relationship with social media about when it's too much for them?
Speaker 7: Well, my name is Joe and I'm an Interholik Hi Joe. I.
Speaker 7: I quit social media. I quit Twitter and Facebook.
Speaker 10: I can't even get into my old Facebook account occasionally,
Speaker 10: very occasionally just look at Twitter sometimes to get in
Speaker 10: touch with people who I think I have the number,
Speaker 10: but I was communicating through messaging or whatever. But I
Speaker 10: certainly haven't tweeted for years. I have no desire to.
Speaker 10: And the most striking thing is is that you look
Speaker 10: at it after not being sort of in the middle
Speaker 10: of it, and you realize how absolutely utterly cooked the
Speaker 10: joint is.
Speaker 7: It is so off the charts crazy.
Speaker 10: The same things are still like, bugger me if I
Speaker 10: don't see you know, Dan Andrews and Peter Kredlin trending
Speaker 10: every single day, you know, like the.
Speaker 1: Same the same screaming is.
Speaker 10: It is absolutely and just so toxic, and I just go,
Speaker 10: thank God, I'm out there. I do still hang out
Speaker 10: on the Gram because I'm a forty eight year old man.
Speaker 10: I'm having a midlife crisis. But it's so much nice.
Speaker 10: I like, that's just a nice, positive vibe. Everyone to
Speaker 10: supports the thing.
Speaker 7: And the latest.
Speaker 10: But my latest shame and this is what's truly emasculating,
Speaker 10: partly because it's an addiction.
Speaker 7: That is just so early noughties. But I am addicted
Speaker 7: to candy Crash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are proper.
Speaker 10: And I am fully and to the point where I
Speaker 10: was flying back from Melbourne on the weekend and the stewardess,
Speaker 10: the attendant said, looked over my shoulder and says, wow,
Speaker 10: just what level are you on? And I said, I
Speaker 10: don't know, seven thousand and something and she goes, wow,
Speaker 10: I'm only on three thousand, and I've been doing it
Speaker 10: for ten years.
Speaker 7: That's oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lisa, what is what is your Internet shame that
Speaker 1: you're willing to own up to?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 11: I was saying, I could all very well sit here
Speaker 11: in trying and dull screen you right.
Speaker 1: Now, if you could please pretty much what.
Speaker 11: My evenings are like. It's really bad, isn't it? So
Speaker 11: many years and news I think, just staying across everything
Speaker 11: all the time. Yeah, it must have been. I'm a
Speaker 11: bit guilty of that. While rousing on the children to
Speaker 11: get off there, Tom, I think, thanks to Joe, Candy
Speaker 11: Crush will go through the roof now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I look, I'll be honest. In the darker moments,
Speaker 1: I will spend way too much time on the reels
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. As things become increasingly stranger,
Speaker 1: or they either become more rock and roll, or they
Speaker 1: become sort of strange industrial things or lawn mowing.
Speaker 10: Norm McDonald never stops being funny, the same Norm McDonald
Speaker 10: joke one thousand times later.
Speaker 7: It's still funny.
Speaker 1: That's not my fault. Still. My simple point about all
Speaker 1: of this is, like anything else, sometimes just put it
Speaker 1: down and go outside. That's the real world. Look up
Speaker 1: every now and then leave your phone at home when
Speaker 1: you go to the shop. So okay, there's lots of
Speaker 1: other ways to pay, including a wallet for things, So
Speaker 1: just look up. The world is pretty awesome to see.
Speaker 1: This is not the way you should spend your life,
Speaker 1: but you know that. I know that, and hopefully we
Speaker 1: have held all of your attention for the full hour.
Speaker 1: I look forward to the same courtesy being extended to
Speaker 1: the late debate in moments from now here on Sky News.
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