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Speaker 1: From the newsroom and news still come to you.

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Speaker 2: Good night. They're I'm Andrew Bucklow. Well, a new book

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Speaker 2: about Prince Andrew is being hailed as the most devastating

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Speaker 2: royal biography ever said to be released in a few

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Speaker 2: weeks time, and claims to lift the lid on his

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Speaker 2: sex life, his secrets, and his scandals. Get ready to

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Speaker 2: clutch your pearls, okay, because in just a moment we

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Speaker 2: are going to run you through some of the most

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Speaker 2: shocking allegations. Well. Joining me now is royal writer and

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Speaker 2: news dot com Dot a U commentator Danniella Elsa, who

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Speaker 2: has written an article for our side about this explosive

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Speaker 2: new book called entitled Daniella, what can you tell us

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Speaker 2: about it?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Bucky? So, yeah, So we've got a new massive

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Speaker 1: royal book that's about to come out. It's called entitled

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Speaker 1: and it's all about Prince Andrew, the Duke of York,

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Speaker 1: and what he's gotten up to of the last few decades.

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Speaker 2: So who wrote this?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So this book is by another Andrew, A biographer

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Speaker 1: and historian named Andrew Lowney who has written a couple

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Speaker 1: of very well known and critically acclaimed biographies He's written

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Speaker 1: one about Edward the Yates, he wrote one about Lord

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Speaker 1: mount Batten, so he's been sort of, you know, writing

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Speaker 1: about this sort of world for a while. And reportedly

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Speaker 1: with Entitled, he interviewed hundreds of people. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: been working on it for years, so he's an established biographer.

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Speaker 2: And I guess before we should get into some of

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Speaker 2: the claims made in the book, we should say that

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Speaker 2: these are kind of untested at the moment, aren't they Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, You're going to hear the word edged quite a lot.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the book makes really really amazing claims,

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Speaker 1: but none of them have been tested, and so far,

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Speaker 1: the Duke of York has not commented, He's not reacted

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Speaker 1: to any of this. So so yeah, as you say.

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Speaker 2: It's all alleged, all right, Okay, well let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Some of the content from Entitled has been published already.

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Speaker 2: It is pretty joy dropping stuff. Let's tackle a bit

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Speaker 2: by bit, starting with his connection to Jeffrey Epstein. I

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Speaker 2: think we all remember when the Prince spoke about him

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Speaker 2: in that disastrous TV in to Be five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Do I regret the fact that he has quite obviously

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Speaker 1: conducted himself in a manner unbecoming, Yes, unbecoming. He was

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Speaker 1: a sex offender, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm being polite, and

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Speaker 1: in the sense that he was a sex offender.

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Speaker 2: You've been on his private plane, yes, You've been to

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Speaker 2: stay on his private island.

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Speaker 1: Yes. You've stayed at his home in Palm Beach, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So clearly they had some kind of a relationship. Now,

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Speaker 2: danielle In entitled the author rights that Epstein may even

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Speaker 2: have been selling secrets about Prince Andrew. Tell us more

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Speaker 2: about this.

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Speaker 1: This is pretty wild stuff, as you say.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Andrew Lowney writes is he

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Speaker 1: writes that Andrew, Prince Andrew was quote easy prey for

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Speaker 1: a rattlesnack like Epstein. He says, Epstein played Andrew. The

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Speaker 1: Prince was a useful idiot who gave him respectability, access

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Speaker 1: to political leaders and business opportunities. He found him easy

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Speaker 1: to exploit. And he goes on to say is Lowney

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Speaker 1: reports on claims made by another journalist made by someone

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Speaker 1: named Ian Halprin, that Epstein had quote sold Andrew's most

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Speaker 1: intimate secrets notorious foreign intelligence agencies, and he lists Israel's

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Speaker 1: Mossad Saudi Arabia and the intelligence services in Libya under

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Speaker 1: Colonel Goodafi. So that's just extraordinary, you know, to hear

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Speaker 1: all those words and names in one sentence. However, again,

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Speaker 1: you know whether it's true or not?

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Speaker 2: We don't know, yeah, now, Daniella. The book also contains

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Speaker 2: a number of allegations about Prince Andrew's alleged sexual habits.

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Speaker 2: He also says he has a number of fetishes. I

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Speaker 2: am so sorry to ask you to do this on

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Speaker 2: a podcast, but please, can you run us through them?

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Speaker 1: That's the question I've never been asked for. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that is in the extracts is

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Speaker 1: Andrew Lowney quotes from a woman named Deborah Gale, who

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Speaker 1: was Epstein's housekeeper at his property in Palm Beach, and

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Speaker 1: she said it appeared he had all types of fetishes.

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Speaker 1: That's a quote. I once found sex toys on the

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Speaker 1: floor of his room, in women's panties in his bed.

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Speaker 1: She also says that in his cupboard she would find

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Speaker 1: wrapped women's pantyhose, lingerie and sandals of different sizes. So

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Speaker 2: We say, absolutely? And there are also just a number

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Speaker 2: of other claims from people who've been around Andrew in

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Speaker 2: put it, his sexual appetite perhaps, yeah, and also.

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Speaker 1: Just I guess the way that he talks to women

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we actually said a podcast, but

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Speaker 1: he said to her and I'm quoting hate nice asks,

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Speaker 1: and then asked her a very personal question about what

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Speaker 1: him making anal sex jokes, which is pretty graphic. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, there's another moment where Andrew Lowney writes

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Speaker 1: that Prince Andrew was at a wedding he asked a

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Speaker 1: woman to dance. She turned him down, and he replied,

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Speaker 1: So that gives you a bit of a sense of

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Speaker 1: the sorts of things that are being raised here.

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Speaker 2: There's also a rather shocking story about a trip that

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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew allegedly took to bang Kock. What allegedly happened there,

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Speaker 2: God allegedly is like a word of the day, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Please don't saw us?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it is confirms that he went to Bangkok,

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Speaker 1: So he did go to Bangkok. But the alleged part

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Speaker 1: comes when we talk about what he allegedly did there,

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Speaker 1: which Andrew Lowney writes about him having up to forty

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Speaker 1: which is a pretty wild's number. Again, I think while

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Speaker 1: keep using because I'm not really sure there's any other

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that you know during this trip to Bangkok,

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Speaker 1: that this procession of women ended up in his hotel room.

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Speaker 2: Bloody hell. I mean I've had thirty nine in my

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Speaker 2: room before, but never forty.

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Speaker 1: Be getting bigger hotel rooms than me, Bucky.

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Speaker 2: Stick around. Danielle has got more shocking claims from the

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Speaker 2: book coming up. In Just a Moment.

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Speaker 1: Entitled by Andrew Lowney, is being called the most devastating

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Speaker 1: royal biography ever.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, I am chatting to daniel arelsa who's written

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Speaker 2: an article from news dot com dot you about some

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Speaker 2: of the shocking claims in that book, Danielle. In your piece,

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Speaker 2: you've made references to Prince Andrew's alleged crude sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us some examples?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I don't think you'd really want to be

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Speaker 1: that Andrew's at he did a party. He's sitting next

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Speaker 1: She leans forward to smell it, and he sort of

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Speaker 1: of thing you know a teenage boy would do. Another

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Speaker 1: story he tells is in the eighties, Prince Andrew was

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Speaker 1: don't think at Prince Andrew sounds like one for particularly

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Speaker 1: it's inintillating an intelligent conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Prince Andrew hasn't responded to any of the

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Speaker 2: claims that we've seen published from this book so far.

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Speaker 1: No, he hasn't. He hasn't. So look, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: Finally, how damaging could this book for Prince Andrew and

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Speaker 2: for the wider royal family.

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Speaker 1: I think it's I don't think there's really a could

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Speaker 1: about it. I think it is really really damaging. As

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Speaker 1: the royal family. You know, just when you think things

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Speaker 1: You know, here is this.

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Speaker 3: Incredibly, incredibly damaging story about his brother back in the

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Speaker 3: in the headlines, and you know, at a time of

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Speaker 3: thumber holidays, so it's consuming all the oxygen.

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Speaker 1: It's getting a lot of attention, and it really just

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Speaker 1: makes Andrew look possibly I don't know quite legally what

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Speaker 1: it's just it's terrible. It's terrible stuff, and it makes

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Speaker 1: Andrew looks terrible, and it puts King Charles in this

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Speaker 1: position of you know, his brother might no longer do

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Speaker 1: royal duties, but he's still living in a massive, massive

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Speaker 1: and it's incredibly damaging, I think, to the royal family's reputation.

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Speaker 2: If you want to read Danielle's story in full, Godenews

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Speaker 2: dot com dot au. There are some claims in it

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Speaker 2: that we haven't covered today that will literally make you

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Speaker 2: want to scratch your eyes out. It is so intense.

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Speaker 2: There are particularly some claims about Jeffrey Epstein and Prince

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Speaker 2: Andrew which are a little bit spicy. Daniella, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for coming on the podcast today, Thanks Bucky,

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