1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: What would unfold in the next few minutes would go 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: down as the third biggest heist ever in Victorian history. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: He says, I've seen a photo, obviously implying that other 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: bad guys took the gold and buried it. But he 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: thinks he knows where it might be. In a big 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: antique desk in the house at Hawthorne, officers find a 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: semi automatic handgun, a couple of pieces of gold, and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: more cut up number plate. This is where listeners the 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: plot thickens. I'm Andrew Ruhle. This is life and crimes 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: right back at the start of the COVID pandemic. A 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: very good heist unfolded in Melbourne, in the heart of 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: the city. It didn't get a lot of attention until 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: arrests were made and the truth was discovered. Now, I'm 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: not here to say that every heist of money or 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: gold or whatever or jewelry has an inside man. I 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: don't want to claim that because that might be wrong 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: in some cases. But in this case there clearly was 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: an inside man, but it wasn't obvious at the time. 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: What happened was on a Monday morning, April or twenty seventh. 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I think it was of twenty twenty, so he just 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: a few weeks into the pandemic, which began in March. 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: A man pushing a trolley comes to a building in 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: Colin Street in the city. That very ordinary looking building 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: houses the Melbourne Gold Company. He's pushing a trolley. He's 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: dressed in tradey gear. He's wearing a COVID mask, which 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: was a given of course at that time, perfect for 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: stopping infection or cross infection, but even better to mask 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: you from other people so they can't tell who you are. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: He presses the intercom and says he's got a delivery. 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: Once he gets inside, he pulls out a pistol and 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: he orders the gold company employee that has opened the 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: door to take him into the office. Now, the man 33 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: who let the fake tradeing in was Daniel Ead who 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: was employed by the Melbourne Gold Company. He takes him 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: up to the seventh floor where they've got gold and 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: cash stored. What would unfold in the next few minutes 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: would go down as the third biggest heist ever in 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Victorian history. And what Daniel ad would tell the police 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: a little while later was that this man tied him up, 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: pointed a gun at him, threatened him said, show us 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: where the money is, showing me where the gold is, 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: and then the robber proceeded to get hold of the 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: cash and the jewelry and the gold. There was something 44 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: like twenty eight key loads of gold. It's a lot 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: of ounces, at about three and a half thousand dollars 46 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: an ounce. There was also more than seven hundred thousand 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: dollars in cash, and I think there was also jewelry. 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: He loads all that up and he leaves, and of 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: course he leaves Daniel D, the employee, still tied up 50 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: in the building on the seventh floor. It's only when 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: two customers come to the store a little while later 52 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: that Daniel D is untied and can raise the alarm. 53 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Initially police thought about three million dollars worth of gold 54 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: and cash had been taken. Of course, it was a 55 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: little bit more when armed crime squad detectives arrived on 56 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: the scene. Uniform police were already there, but they were 57 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: dealing with another incident just nearby. There'd been an incident 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: at a bank just down the street. Now it just 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: shows you you can have good luck or you can 60 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: have bad luck. And in this day April onod twenty seventh, 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. The crooks, who had almost the perfect wrought 62 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: had some bad luck. You can imagine what would happen 63 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: when our offender pushes his way out of the building 64 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: with his with his trolley, with his high of his 65 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: vest and goes over towards a white ute that he's got. 66 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: When he sees police around the street, he must have thought, 67 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, they're already onto me. But apparently he 68 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: kept his cool and he just walked over to a 69 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: white ute and he calmly unloads boxes and bags or 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: whatever into it, and then he heads off. But this 71 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: other incident was a stroke of luck for the police 72 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: because fearing that the other bank incident might escalate, safe 73 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: city cameras were moved to the location, and that provided 74 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: Crimes God detect this with a fortunate breakthrough. So the 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: incident down the street meant that some of the cameras 76 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: that are used for security around the streets were swung 77 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: into that area, and this gave them footage of cars 78 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: and movement that they otherwise might not have had. Now 79 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm in debted to my colleague John Kaylor, who has 80 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: written this story recently was published in the Sunday Herald Sun, 81 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: and I thought it was one of the more interesting 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: high stories we've seen for a long time, and I 83 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: proposed to steal some of John's most excellent material with 84 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: his blessing, because he's explained it very well. Now, the 85 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: police officer who's ended up telling this story in retrospect 86 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: to John Kaylor is Detective Sergeant Mark Walsh. Clearly one 87 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: of the most interesting cases he's worked on. So Detective 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: Sergeant Walsh says this to Kaylor, it just happened to 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: be the same time that this offender was doing the 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: arm robbery. The camera captures the offender going back to 91 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: his car. Sergeant Walsh said, we wouldn't have had identification 92 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: on the car straight away if the other job, that is, 93 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the other bank job hadn't happened. So we look at 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: the CCTV and it is of this man getting into 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: a white hold in Colorado and it's completely stock standard. 96 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I thought it had to be a fleet car or 97 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: a higher car, and then we noticed two little stickers 98 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: in the windscreen on the side window. I took a 99 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: guest they were likely to be bar coats, and I 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: knew Budget scan in and scan out their higher cars. 101 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: So we contacted all the higher car companies because the 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: car had stolen plates on it, and all of them 103 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: said they didn't use hold In Colorado's bumma. So hitting 104 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: a dead end, the detectives headed out to where the 105 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: number plates were stolen. Another dead end. There were no 106 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: fingerprints and no CCTV footage. This is at premises where 107 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: people have had their number plates stolen. Detective Sergeant Walsh says, 108 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: I just thought, humor me, We'll go to a few 109 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: of the higher car companies around here and double check. 110 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: So the first one we go to is Budget in Camberwell, 111 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: and I'll pull into the driveway and sure enough there's 112 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: this Holden Colorado sitting there being cleaned. The person we 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: spoke to initially just made the call off their own 114 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: knowledge without properly looking into it. They only have four 115 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: of them in the country, and three of them are 116 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: used in the minds. What he means there is that 117 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: when they'd initially checked with Budget, the person they took 118 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: into a Budget said, oh, no, we haven't got any 119 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: of those Holden Colorados, which was almost true. Basically in 120 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: Melbourne they don't have any hold In Colorados. There's only 121 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: four of that particular model in the country. Three of 122 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: them are up in the mines and only one is 123 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, so that answer was almost true, but not quite. 124 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: There was one in Melbourne and guess what, the crook 125 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: had hired it and that's where the crook came undone. 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: So once the police had established that this was the case, 127 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Budget told the police that the carab been hired out 128 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the afternoon before the robbery and have been brought back 129 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: about two hours after the time, so basically it has 130 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: to be it. So the police start looking closer. The 131 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: car had been hired out in the name of an 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Asian female, but inquiries hit another dead end. She's got 133 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: no involvement, she's got no criminal history. She's out in 134 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: a really nice house in Hawthorne, Sergeant Moss said her partner, 135 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: Karl Kachami. He's a finance teacher at Deacon University. He 136 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: owns a second house on Brunswick Street in Fitzroy, which 137 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: is a mansion, and he owns an antique shop. He 138 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't fit the profile of an arm robber at all. 139 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: So the police have got nothing, but the pressure is 140 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: on due to the fact that this is Victoria's third 141 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: biggest heist in history. It's worth millions, and they know 142 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: that they've got to get hold of somebody for doing it. 143 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: They know that the cash is going to vanish and 144 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that the gold can be quickly melted down, so the 145 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: pressure is on to act. They follow this Carl Kachami 146 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: because they can. There's no other lead that they've got. 147 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: It seems that the Colorado car ute leads to him, 148 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: so they follow him. They just want to see if 149 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: he talks to anybody or what he does. Now, if 150 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: you're out there planning a heist, maybe learn from this 151 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: what not to do. He goes to Bunnings and he 152 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: buys some long PVC pipes, which police think is a 153 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: little bit strange, but it's hard to know. Depends what 154 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: he wants to do with it. Then he stops near 155 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: his mansion in Fitzroy and he dumps some stuff in 156 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: a rubbish bin, which of course always interests police or 157 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: private detectives or anybody else. The investigators go and look 158 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: in the bin and the only thing of value was 159 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: a cut up number plate, which would seem to be 160 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: of great value, you'd think. Sergeant Welsh says, there was 161 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: the letter S on each of them. We just thought 162 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: it was a bit dodgy. The letters matched where the 163 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: letters on the stolen number plates would be. Then we 164 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: watched as he took these PVC pipes into his mansion 165 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: in Fitzroy. We just thought we're going to have to 166 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: grab him because we have nothing else. The trailer is 167 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: going to go cold unless we try and do something 168 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: to try and get back the cash and the goal. 169 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: So they grab him, and Carl Kachami quite calm. He's 170 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: a lecturer, he's forty eight years old. He's a cool customer. 171 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: He denies any involvement. The police are puzzled because this 172 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: guy's really well spoken, he's smart. He's sitting there saying, yep, 173 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: I hired that car, but I just moved some antiques 174 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: from my store. I'm not sure why you've arrested me. 175 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: I just want to be as helpful as possible. So 176 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: we're sitting in this interview room and he's giving us 177 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: a story that was plausible but still a bit odd. 178 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: Well you would think that, wouldn't you. If he's dropping 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: cut up number plates around the place, that would be 180 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: a bit odd. During the interview, police execute a search 181 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: warrant on Carl's house in Hawthorne. The nice house with 182 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: the nice partner, the one who hired the ute. She's 183 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: probably totally innocent, I have to say. And in a 184 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: big antique desk in the house at Hawthorne, officers find 185 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: a semi automatic handgun, a couple of pieces of gold, 186 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: and more cut up number plate. This is where listeners 187 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: the plot thickens. Detectives have their tails up, do they what? 188 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Carl then tells them a story that yes, I hired 189 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: the car. I did it for money, and when they 190 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: finished doing the arm robbery, they gave me bits of 191 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: gold and told me to hang on to the firearm 192 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: and return the car. So his story is one of 193 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: those classic things with a few touches of truth in it, 194 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: just enough to skate over the big porky. He's saying, 195 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: I got the car, but I did it for other people, 196 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: and they did all the bad things and they just 197 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of pocket change for my help. 198 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: It's basically what he's saying. I'm just a chump, is 199 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: what he's saying. And the police are like, nah, this 200 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. The police said, you're probably going to 201 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: jail for this, and people are going to know you've 202 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: got three or four million dollars and you might know 203 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: where it is. And if we don't get it back, 204 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: these issues with safety and people in jail are going 205 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: to know you've got access to this money. Now that 206 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: is a very real threat. You are some sort of 207 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: soft squarehead customer, no friends in jail. You get put 208 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: in jail. Everyone in jail knows why you're there immediately, 209 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: and if they think you have a lot of money 210 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: buried somewhere, it's not going to be very good for 211 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: you because they're all going to be standing over here 212 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: to get the money, and they're going to say, not 213 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: only we're going to break your fingers one by one 214 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: and throw boiling water over you and pull your teeth out, 215 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: whatever it takes, but we'll find out where you live 216 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: and we will make life very difficult for your family 217 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: or your loved ones. And this is a very real threat, 218 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: and that is why the police pointed it out. They 219 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: pointed out the truth to Carl Kacharmi that if he 220 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: went to jail, he was in a world of pain. 221 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, for the meantime, he sticks to his story, 222 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: but he's starting to twist things around a bit, and 223 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: he says, look, I've seen a photo of where the 224 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: gold is buried, and I can take you there. His 225 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: memory is starting to come back. He says, I've seen 226 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: a photo, obviously implying that other bad guys took the 227 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: gold and buried it. But he thinks he knows where 228 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: it might be so he can take them there. So 229 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: by this time the police are away. It's ten o'clock 230 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: at night and the boss has had to call the 231 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: detectives back in after a twelve hour shift and tell 232 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: them that they're going for a drive. So they all 233 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: get in a police card, they get maps on their 234 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: iPhones and he leads them to a place called Dollar. Now, 235 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: when he said that, the police thought he was having 236 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: a joke with them, because you know, it's a robbery 237 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: that's worth millions of dollars, and he says he's taking 238 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: them to a place called Dollar. Little did they know 239 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: then that there is a tiny little place in South 240 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Gippsland called Dollar, and it's up in the hills out 241 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: the back of you know, leaning Gathriell, Cranborough or where. 242 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: When they get there, it's a fair way. When they 243 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: get there, it's one am, it's raining and all they've 244 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: got is their phone, torches. They didn't have real torches, 245 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: which is surprising. You'd think police would have those great, big, long, 246 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: heavy duty torches that they can hit people with. But anyway, 247 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: they've got one shovel and a robart because that's all 248 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: they could rustle up in time. They walk five hundred 249 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: meters across farmland and Carl Kachami points to a rock, 250 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: So the police start digging, and they're on their hands 251 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: and knees and trying to pull away the dirt. They're 252 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: taking it in turns, but they're soaking wet and covered 253 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: in mud. After two hours and about one hundred and 254 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty centimeters down out in the old money that's four 255 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: foot one hundred and twenty centimeters one point two meters. 256 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: That's a pretty deep hoole. They find a toolbox, the 257 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: same toolbox as the offender used in the CCTV footage 258 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: of the robbery. When they found the toolbox, the police 259 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: were expecting it to be like the movies, and they 260 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: thought that'd be all full of going gold. As news 261 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: spread about the police being in town, another local contacted detective. 262 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: The locals described a man that they had seen looking 263 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: puzzled and staring into a malways looking for directions to 264 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Dollar and when one of the locals asked this guy 265 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: why was going there, he replied to do some digging. 266 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Now the police checked CCTV and realized that the mystery 267 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: man that is described them and that they then saw 268 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: on CCTV in South Gippsland was in fact the gold 269 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: dealer manager Daniel Ead. Now this is the guy who 270 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: at the start of our story is the poor chap 271 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: who's been robbed. He's been tied up and robbed at 272 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: the gold company in Colt Street. Guess what he's out 273 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: there looking to dig up the gold, which would suggest 274 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: that he knew all about it. Was not only a 275 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: party to the scheme, he was the author of the scheme. 276 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: The police knew that Parol Karl Kochami wouldn't have done 277 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: this alone. But it was only at this point that 278 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: the police are able to link Daniel d into the 279 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: cunning plot. And Sergeant Well says this, when you first 280 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: look at c c t V, you're looking at the 281 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: offender and stuff. But when we looked at the footage 282 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: back again, we noticed what Daniel was doing. That is 283 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: this time the police are looking at the victim, the 284 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: supposed victim of the robbery, and when they study his 285 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: actions during the robbery, they say it's only slight. But 286 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: as Carl comes through the door, he meaning Daniel motions 287 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: for him, meaning Karl, to pull the firearm out. He 288 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: just makes a slight tilt of his head. And then 289 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: there's another point where he's emptying out the cash and 290 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: Daniel motions his head pointing to the other side of 291 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: the room. And where was he pointing and Carl doesn't 292 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: pick up on it. He's pointing at a safe where 293 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: there's another six million dollars in cash and gold. Or 294 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: can you believe that they haven't rehearsed their plot properly? 295 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: And our mate, our amateur robber, our amateur fake robber, 296 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: has managed to miss six million in gold and cash 297 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: and get away with about half that much. Dear, oh, dear, oh, dear. 298 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: So a raid on Karl Kuchami's Fitzroy property revealed the 299 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: PVC pipes. They contained three hundred thousand dollars in cash. 300 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: Another three hundred and thirty three thousand dollars in cash, 301 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: believed to be Daniel EAD's share, remained missing. When the 302 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: game was up, the police went back to Carl and 303 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: asked him why he did it, and he said it 304 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: was all to do with COVID. He said he turned 305 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: his Fitzroy mansion into a twelve bet accommodation that he 306 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: was renting out to UNI students and when COVID hit, 307 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: all international students went home. So then his rental income 308 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: was lost and the house needed a lot of renovations 309 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: and stuff. And his part in this plot, this fake 310 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: robbery was the fund renovations of that old place. When 311 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: it finally went to court in twenty twenty one, the 312 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: inside man, Daniel Ead was sentenced to five years and 313 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: nine months in prison with a non parole period of 314 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: three years and nine months. That's almost four years. But 315 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: the fake bandit, Karl Kachami was clearly thought to be 316 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: the minor partner in this wrought, and he was sentenced 317 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: to four years in prison with a non parole period 318 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: of two years. And so Karl has been out and 319 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: about for quite a while, a sadder and wiser real 320 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: estate vs Because presumably he lost his excellent job of 321 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: teaching at Deacon University. Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes 322 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: is a Sunday Herald Sun production for true crime Australia. 323 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: Our producer is Johnty Burton. 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