WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 October 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:08.320 Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening bullying, 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.959 discrimination and sexual harassment, yet the nine network won't hold 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.319 the perpetrators accountable, and women at nine, from presenters to 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.880 producers are furious. More on these damning findings and the 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:27.400 astonishing tone deaf lack of accountability in a moment also tonight, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.320 how it took a Fox News journalist to finally put 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.839 Kamala Harris under scrutiny and it was too hot for 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.120 her to handle. I'll cross live to Washington and analyze 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.000 that train wreck interview throughout the show, Plus the Lebanese 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.880 politician taking on Hesbela I'll speak to him lie from 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.519 Beirut a bit later. Also on the show tonight, Basil 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:54.160 zemplus Matt Canavan, Holly Hughes and Moore. But first female 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.800 staff at Channel nine are furious that not a single 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.360 perpetrator of sexual harassment or bullying will be held accountable 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:07.400 despite a damning review exposing the toxic culture at the network. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.600 Nine has been utterly shamed by the revelations of misconduct 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.480 inside its newsrooms and offices over years, all of it 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.640 exposed in graphic detail by an external review into company culture, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.000 where one hundred and twenty two past and current employees 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:34.399 took part the series allegations grooming, sexual harassment, sexual intimidation, bullying, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.679 and abuse of power. Much of this horrific behavior was 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:43.360 covered up by the media. Company. Staff was specifically warned 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.920 not to complain to human resources. They were ordered to 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:53.600 stay silent. This external review was only commissioned after we 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.240 revealed on this show in May widespread and historic allegations 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:03.960 of sexual harassment and toxic culture. Today, the network's board 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.840 and executives have to confront the terrible misconduct in their 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:12.320 ranks that took place under their watch. Yet, even at 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.560 this moment of truth, nine's leadership is failing to properly 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.000 address the problem. Women at the nine Network were devastated 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.680 and distressed today to be told by Acting CEO Matt 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.920 Stanton that none of the repeat offenders would face consequences. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.000 At an all staff meeting, Stanton admitted that there were 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:37.640 a few individuals who were raised repeatedly in the allegations, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.960 but he said they'd remain working at the company no 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:48.079 action would be taken against them. Nine presenters Deborhnight, Dimity Clancy, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.480 and Amelia Adams were among those who questioned him about this. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.760 One presenter is understood to have said to Stanton that 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.519 the onus was on him and the board to protect 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.200 employees and on behalf of the one hundred and twenty 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:09.000 two people who complaint. Well, I understand that Stanton responded 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.239 that the report was not about individuals, but about systemic 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.960 cultural change. He said that if any staff wanted to 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:22.000 proceed with formal complaints against current employees, they were free 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.200 to do so through nine's official processes. This is despite 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:33.799 the evidence women had already given to this thorough external inquiry. Now, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.440 his response on this matter in particular infuriated employees who 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.720 felt they'd already lodged their complaints in lengthy sessions that 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:49.280 were at times understandably very distressing. After learning there'd be 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:54.560 no accountability, some staff were in tears. One woman at 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.240 nine told me today, I think it's really sad that 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.360 we were asked to relive our awful experiences only to 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.280 be told it was never about holding any individual to account. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.600 Another said, if there are still leaders in our network 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.520 who came up again and again, why are they not 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:18.040 being held accountable? And a third female employee at nine 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.159 told me and I quote we're saddened by the report, 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.880 but we're even more upset that people aren't going to 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:30.080 be held accountable. Even a current Affair host, Alison Langdon, 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:36.480 addressed the issue on air tonight, urging leadership to act well. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.520 Every day we ask you to share your stories to 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.400 right wrongs, and tonight, if you'll spare me a moment, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.440 I want to talk about my own workplace. There was 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.680 a darning report released today in Tonight's Toxic Culture of 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.400 bullying and Harassments. It's a really hard read because many 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.480 of the stories are from women I deeply admire and 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:58.480 work closely with. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:00.680 Ain is real. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.000 Their experiences are real, and I have so much respect 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.279 for them, and I know why they spoke up. Transparency 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.000 is important. Sharing the ugliness is via to if anything's 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.719 to change, it is the very business that we're in. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.240 So it's over to management now to act and to 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.160 show leadership. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.680 And the report couldn't have been more confrontic. It found 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.720 that across the company, around one quarter of employees had 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.799 been sexually harassed. In Nine's broadcast division, this was far higher, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.960 with forty four percent of women saying they'd experienced sexual harassment. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.520 So that's nearly half of all women in nine's television division, 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.560 About fifty two percent of nine employees had experienced or 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.599 witnessed abuse of power or authority. Nearly half of all 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:57.680 employees had experienced bullying, discrimination, or harassment. And this report 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.640 included the broadcast, radio, digital sales, publishing, corporate divisions as 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.360 well as stan Now. In the review and it was 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.280 tough reading, a nine employee spoke of being groomed by 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.160 an unnamed male. She said, he also touched me on 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.840 the bum at the Christmas party, and at other times 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.960 he'd rubbed my legs under the table. I saw him 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.200 do it to other women. Another staff member was quoted 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.040 in the report describing how inappropriate conduct had been covered 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:31.839 up by a female employee. She said, the day after 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.400 it the inappropriate workplace behavior happened, this individual came up 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.039 to me to talk about it. I thought she wanted 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.799 to see if I was okay or if I wanted 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.640 to do anything about it, but no, she was there 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.039 to make sure that I didn't say anything, that I 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.920 didn't complain. She made it very clear that it would 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.160 be in my best interests not to make an issue 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:57.039 out of it. Another comment included in The report states 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.160 that it is drilled into us, never go to They 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.520 are very much on the side of the company. Their 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:08.320 attitude is it's not our fault. This happened. Make no mistake. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.680 This is the me too movement hitting one of the 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:16.280 country's biggest media companies. The allegations are damning but also 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:21.160 very sad. The working environment for women has been unacceptable 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.440 over many years. It wasn't only sexual harassment either, but 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.680 details of bullying and a toxic culture. The report quotes 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.280 one staff member speaking about being put on ice by 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.440 their manager. She said, everyone calls it punishment island. When 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.080 I was younger, I would be in tears about something 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.960 like this. I've now become disengaged. I'm exhausted by the games. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.600 There are allegations against a female employee who was alleged 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.880 to have bullied a colleague to the point where they resigned, 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:58.000 but then she bullied that woman's replacement as well. While 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.560 nine's chair Catherine West was only recently elevated to the role, 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.880 she's been a non executive director since twenty sixteen. In 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.000 an email to staff today, she admitted the company had 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.640 undeniable problems with their workplace culture. She said no department 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.640 is immune, and the results are concerning across the company. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.560 She said, we are deeply sorry. We unreservedly apologize. You 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:26.720 should not have had to endure this conduct. Now, let's 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.200 go to some of the other damning allegations, because in 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:34.439 the broadcast division, employees claim that male reporters are automatically 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.839 assigned all the serious, hard hitting stories, whether it's politics, finance, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.440 they are One woman was quoted in the report saying 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.160 that it's only the male employees who were taken seriously. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.760 Another comment included in the report is that women reporters 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.280 seem to be there just to look pretty. Women's right 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.960 to report seems tied to appearance. A woman presenter was 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.600 told when she got pregnant, why would you go and 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:05.320 do that. The level of abuse and mistreatment contained in 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.640 this robot that's now been laid bare for all of 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.200 us to see is to me a disgrace, particularly the 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:18.160 role that some played in demanding the conduct be covered up. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.320 Nine took the time and the expense to conduct this 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.160 external review, and it can't be for nothing. For a 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.559 media organization that it's for years demanded that others are 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.080 held accountable for their actions. Will now as the time 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:39.520 for the nine board and executives to practice what they preach. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:45.240 The perpetrators must be held accountable. The women who suffered 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.679 at their hands deserve justice and their voices to be heard. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.240 I'm going to come back to this in a moment 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.120 because The Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer Jonathan Moran will 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.880 join me to discuss it. It is an important issue. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.800 Also coming up in the show Holly Hughes, Adam Crichton 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.600 and retired Major John Spencer. But let's bring in now 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.200 National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Meare Basil Zemplis. Welcome 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.240 to you both. Now, I want to start with what 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.800 is the biggest news surely in the world today, Kamala 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.400 Harris's interview on Fox News with journalist Brett Bayer. So 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.440 this was a half an hour interview, but I tell 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.400 you what, I could have watched it for a lot longer. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.079 This was the first time the Vice president had been 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:36.640 properly grilled on the immigration issue, at the border, the 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:41.160 border crisis, the economy, her role in the Biden administration, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.679 and she just couldn't properly answer any of the questions. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.640 Have a look at one of these moments. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:54.120 How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.000 released into the country over the last three and a 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:57.640 half years. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.400 Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.880 I agree with you it is it is a topic 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.560 of discussion that people want to rightly have And you 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:08.600 know what I'm going to talk about. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:09.840 Yeah, but you're just a number. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.640 Do you think it's one million, three million? 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.400 Brett. Let's just get to the point, Okay. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.480 The point is that we have a broken immigration system 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:19.920 that needs to be repaired. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.040 So your land Security secretary said that eighty five percent 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:23.760 of apprehension. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:24.520 I'm not finished. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.240 We have a refreshment of six million people have been 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.120 released into the country, and let me just finish. I'll 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:32.199 get you the question, I promise you. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.160 I was beginning to answer, Matt the border crisis is 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:41.719 unquestionably her weakest area with Americans, and you'd think she 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.360 had some lines worked out for what she was going 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.679 to say, but she just couldn't answer the questions. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.280 Look, Shari, I think this just exposes the very tough 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.720 hand that any Democrat candidate would have right now because 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.839 the current administration has lost control of things like the 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:06.559 are pretty important issues, and it's quite remarkable to be 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.400 trying to run as a candidate, almost impossible to run 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.840 as a candidate saying hey, I'm going to turn the page. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.600 But I'm also the incumbent vice president who was responsible 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.240 for all of these issues. There's I think a klonel 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.360 of absurdity at the heart of Karmela's reelection effectively re 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.040 election campaign here that just gets exposed under any kind 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.560 of sustained spotlight like this. It's probably why she's down 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.199 in the polls. It's pretty hard to see here in 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.199 the last few weeks how the Democrats regained momentum. I 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.040 think she's obviously gone on this media blitz because they're. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.560 Not winning right now. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.480 They're clearly not doing that well, and she's trying and 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.400 desperately to do anything to claw back. But with the 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.440 record they've got to run on all. Her only answer 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:51.800 during an interview, and I watched it like you, the 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.720 only answer was I'm not to hold Trump. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:55.640 It's probably not going to be enough. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.920 Yeah, I think that's right, Basil. She turned every art 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.079 into an attack on Donald Trump because she couldn't speak 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.520 about her own performance, particularly on areas like the bottom 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.040 and we just looked at that, but Brett bay is 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.280 excellent questioning went on to speak about one of the 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.920 women who had been killed by an illegal immigrant, who 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.520 should have been behind bars, who would have been behind 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.040 bars under the Trump administration, had Kamala Harris not reversed 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.720 so many of those reforms that were in place, measures 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.360 that were in place. And you know, she couldn't even 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.000 apologize to the family. She said, I'm deeply sorry that 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.439 this happened, but she couldn't take responsibility for it. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.240 So many mixed messages and so much confusion from her, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.200 and really there was a lack of preparation. You can 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.720 see that honeymoon period that she enjoyed when Joe Biden 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.719 first stood down and she became the candidate and the 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.959 easy interviews like Oprah for example, that came with it. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.079 Isn't she longing for those days? 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.520 So she takes the move, or the bold step if 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.760 you liked, to go for a harder interview, thinking if 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.839 I perform well, I can turn it around, and then 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.520 performs abysmally. So she's gone backwards on the strength of 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.880 one interview. And as Matt said, how does she get 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.880 the momentum back? Now it's almost impossible, and what it 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.320 has done is exposed her true positions. And for the record, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.680 she didn't or couldn't answer that question about how many 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.200 immigrants had been released into the United States, which was 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:28.320 revealing in itself. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.920 She would know the figure. She just didn't want it 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.280 to be used, probably in an attack out against her. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.320 But I want to have a look at another moment, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.840 because she was asked, you know, she talks about Donald 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.640 Trump's mental state. But then Brett Bayer asked her when 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.680 she first noticed that Joe Biden was suffering from mental decline? 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:45.360 Have a look at that. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.880 When did you first notice that President Biden's mental faculties 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:50.800 appeared diminished? 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:58.000 Jill Biden. I have watched him from the Oval office 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.240 to the situation room, and he has the judgment and 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.960 the experiment and experienced to do exactly what he has 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.120 done in making very important decisions on behalf of the 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:09.880 American people. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:10.480 Joe Biden. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.600 Jill Biden is not on the ballot, understanding Donald Trump, 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:15.680 Donald Trump. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.720 Matt this is a relevant question. He's the current president 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.920 of the United States. Find he is not on the ballot, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.480 but he's the current president. And as Bayas said to her, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.880 you've been having weekly lunch meetings with him. You know, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.560 what obligation did she have do you think Matt to 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.240 actually speak up about whether the president was incapable of 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:37.040 doing his job. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:43.560 Look, the problem the problem for Kamala though, Shahi, she can't. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.040 She can hardly say yeah, he's not mentally up to it. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.680 And I found that out in this day because, as 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.040 you say, he's still the president and we've got a 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.960 situation where there's massive conflicts in multiple regions around the world. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.440 It's very very scary if that is the reality. So 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.560 she can't do that. If she doesn't say that it 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.400 is true, then why is she the candidate not Joe Biden. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.840 It's very messy. It reminds you a lot of the 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.880 situation that Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd found themselves in 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.520 years ago, when Julia was trying to both defend the 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.840 record of Kevin Rudd but also defend the fact that 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.800 she just kniped him in the back weeks. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:20.200 Before an election. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:25.840 And apparently the relationship between Carla and Joe Biden's people 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.880 is now probably a similar state of affairs as there 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.240 was there between Julia and Kevin all those years ago. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:33.040 Sherry. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.040 I think on that one we actually have to give 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.240 it to Camalais. It was an awkward answer, but it 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.120 was the only answer she could give because, as Matt said, 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.720 if she said, oh, yes, I did notice or note 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.040 mental decline at a certain period, then the entirety of 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.280 the presidency that where or they are now going through 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.200 at the moment, and indeed her own vice presidency would 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.560 have all sorts of questions over it. It was a 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.120 killer question. Credit to the journal, magnificent question. She actually 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:02.800 answered it pretty well. Believe it or not. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.560 I genuinely think he did such an excellent job. I 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.320 said he was going to you know, I said on 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.000 the show last night or the night before that I 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.240 didn't understand why Donald Trump was attacking Fox for doing 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.440 the interview because a lot of the other networks have 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:20.280 been doing pre records, They've been doing edits, refusing to 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.560 release transcripts afterwards. Brett Bay was always going to do 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.480 a tough interview. That was obvious. But it has exposed 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.879 her in a way. And you know a lot of 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.840 people today said, oh, he talked over her too much. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.520 I'm sorry. He had half an hour to do a 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.240 proper interview with potentially the next president of the free world. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.720 We needed to get those answers out of her, and 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.960 I wish she would have answered his last question, you know, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.159 he asked her about Iran and the billions of dollars 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.320 that went to Iran under the Biden administration and how 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.600 that has been used for terror by Hamas and HEZBLA, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.080 and she just kept speaking over him because she wouldn't 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.040 have been able to answer that question. So good on 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.280 him for doing such a great interview and his team 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.840 probably all right, let's turn to negative gearing labor and 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.160 ps A backgrounding against the Prime Minister again, this after 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.640 his property splurge was revealed this week. Two insiders told 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.800 The Australian that there's now a renewed push for negative 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:25.000 gearing reforms. Richard Miles strongly shut down this speculation today. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.199 Have a look, no jewels have. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.560 Been opened here. We're not doing need of gearing. That's 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:35.000 been made manifestly clear and none of that has changed. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.680 Okay, but negative gearing options are being worked up by Treasury, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.959 but you're categorically ruling out any changes. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:47.120 Just to be clear, I just did, and not only 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.680 have I done that, The Prime Minister has made that clear, Matt. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.680 It doesn't kill it off though, right, it's off the 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:54.639 table until it's on. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.479 The table, exactly right. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.880 And we've now got a government where it's clearly divided, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.480 and there are a bunch of people within the Labor 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.000 Party have lost complete confidence in the political strategy and 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.679 now of their current leader, the Prime Minister. So there 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.720 are clearly moves to think about a change of leader 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.800 before the next election. That's why clearly Jim Charmers leaked out. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.440 I think I'm pretty sure it came from Jim or 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.200 Jim's people that these issues were being considered. You could 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.360 tell the Prime mister Bristle that that suggestion a few 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.520 weeks ago, and there will be this move for to 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.040 do something and I'll just be completely absurd, though, whyonn't 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.080 it chari that if we all face a higher tax 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.880 rate on property because the Prime Minister bought a house. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.000 I mean, that's what's being argued for here by some 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.400 of these Labor and ps that because the Prime Minster 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.639 bought a mansion, we're going to put property taxes up 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:44.120 on everybody. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.960 Why do we have to copy? This is absurd? 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.800 But the government is completely at sea right now. We've 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.160 got major challenges facing the world that we've discussed. We've 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.840 got some of the highest energy prices in the world. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.920 This country, we're losing a manufacturing industry, our housing. We 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.240 can't provide houses for people, the people living on the 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.680 street in and the government is completely at sea. They 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.560 are lost and it's a bit of a shame here. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.040 I don't see how they get through the election like this. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:11.479 They're completely at odds with each other. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.480 You don't see how they get through the election, as 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.240 in you think they're going to lose. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.679 I think, well, I think there's that's definitely on the cards. Obviously, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.520 I think it's very competitive. Obviously there's a challenge for 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.359 us to win a number of seats we need. But 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.120 it's hard to see how there's much of a choice 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.760 of this train people right now because the Labor Party 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.760 don't have a clear plan for this country. Is that 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.720 we've got a clear plan on housing. They're to cut migration. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.720 We can let people use their superannuation to buy it. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:35.920 Yeah. 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.440 Yeah, First, I'm going to cut government spending to bring 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.000 that inflation. We've got a plan. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.800 These guys don't, Basil, you know. I think the story 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.280 this week about the Prime Minister's purchase of the four 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.600 point three million dollar beach house, not even his main residence, 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.359 has cut through to Australians and it's just such a 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.000 terrible perception issue that the Prime Minister doesn't understand what 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.040 they're going through during a cost of living and housing 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.760 a fidability crisis. Do you think this further derails the 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.480 PM's chance of winning a game. 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.560 There's no doubt about that. It was a bad look, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.760 badly received by the Australian public at a time when 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.200 there's a housing crisis. We all know that in the 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.080 cost of living crisis on top, I got to say, 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.320 I defend the Prime Minister's right, or any other politicians right. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.919 If they've done well put some money away, they can 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.000 afford the deposit and they can make the repayments. Good 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.199 luck to them. That's what we encourage in this country. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.720 We want people to work hard, create their own destiny, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.199 go for it and be able to do it. However, 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.600 the timing absolutely appalling. 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:42.080 I also thought, for what. 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.560 It's worth, Scott Morrison was entitled to take a holiday 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.879 with his family. These two moments have been compared and 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.800 I think the analogies are not far off. I think 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.000 they're very similar in terms of the impact of that 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.440 person standing with the Australian public, and that's just unfortunate 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.960 for both of them as it turns out. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.560 Yeah, it'd be interested to see some research on it 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.919 because this could be the moment that he loses the election, 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.000 no question. All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, great to 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.400 see you both. All Right, Well, let's return to tonight's 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.119 top story, where Nine Entertainment has been rocked by a 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.240 bombshell report which found that the network has a systemic 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:25.800 cultural issue with abuse of power, bullying, discrimination and sexual harassment. 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.800 Let's bring in now the Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:33.159 Jonathan Moran. Jonathan, thank you for joining us. Look, this 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:38.800 is a very sad story, very sobering reading, really devastating. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.200 I know that you've been speaking with some of the 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.680 women since May this year, as I have the women 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.200 who've been brave enough to speak out about this and 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.639 force this review to go ahead. But Jamo, what can 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:53.920 you tell me about just how much anger there was 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.680 today when the acting CEO Matt Stanton said that no 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.760 one who is currently at the network would be held 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.200 accountable despite repeat allegations. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.240 I personally think it's absolutely disgraceful, and that's what I'm 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.359