Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry Good Evening bullying,
Speaker 1: discrimination and sexual harassment, yet the nine network won't hold
Speaker 1: the perpetrators accountable, and women at nine, from presenters to
Speaker 1: producers are furious. More on these damning findings and the
Speaker 1: astonishing tone deaf lack of accountability in a moment also tonight,
Speaker 1: how it took a Fox News journalist to finally put
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris under scrutiny and it was too hot for
Speaker 1: her to handle. I'll cross live to Washington and analyze
Speaker 1: that train wreck interview throughout the show, Plus the Lebanese
Speaker 1: politician taking on Hesbela I'll speak to him lie from
Speaker 1: Beirut a bit later. Also on the show tonight, Basil
Speaker 1: zemplus Matt Canavan, Holly Hughes and Moore. But first female
Speaker 1: staff at Channel nine are furious that not a single
Speaker 1: perpetrator of sexual harassment or bullying will be held accountable
Speaker 1: despite a damning review exposing the toxic culture at the network.
Speaker 1: Nine has been utterly shamed by the revelations of misconduct
Speaker 1: inside its newsrooms and offices over years, all of it
Speaker 1: exposed in graphic detail by an external review into company culture,
Speaker 1: where one hundred and twenty two past and current employees
Speaker 1: took part the series allegations grooming, sexual harassment, sexual intimidation, bullying,
Speaker 1: and abuse of power. Much of this horrific behavior was
Speaker 1: covered up by the media. Company. Staff was specifically warned
Speaker 1: not to complain to human resources. They were ordered to
Speaker 1: stay silent. This external review was only commissioned after we
Speaker 1: revealed on this show in May widespread and historic allegations
Speaker 1: of sexual harassment and toxic culture. Today, the network's board
Speaker 1: and executives have to confront the terrible misconduct in their
Speaker 1: ranks that took place under their watch. Yet, even at
Speaker 1: this moment of truth, nine's leadership is failing to properly
Speaker 1: address the problem. Women at the nine Network were devastated
Speaker 1: and distressed today to be told by Acting CEO Matt
Speaker 1: Stanton that none of the repeat offenders would face consequences.
Speaker 1: At an all staff meeting, Stanton admitted that there were
Speaker 1: a few individuals who were raised repeatedly in the allegations,
Speaker 1: but he said they'd remain working at the company no
Speaker 1: action would be taken against them. Nine presenters Deborhnight, Dimity Clancy,
Speaker 1: and Amelia Adams were among those who questioned him about this.
Speaker 1: One presenter is understood to have said to Stanton that
Speaker 1: the onus was on him and the board to protect
Speaker 1: employees and on behalf of the one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two people who complaint. Well, I understand that Stanton responded
Speaker 1: that the report was not about individuals, but about systemic
Speaker 1: cultural change. He said that if any staff wanted to
Speaker 1: proceed with formal complaints against current employees, they were free
Speaker 1: to do so through nine's official processes. This is despite
Speaker 1: the evidence women had already given to this thorough external inquiry. Now,
Speaker 1: his response on this matter in particular infuriated employees who
Speaker 1: felt they'd already lodged their complaints in lengthy sessions that
Speaker 1: were at times understandably very distressing. After learning there'd be
Speaker 1: no accountability, some staff were in tears. One woman at
Speaker 1: nine told me today, I think it's really sad that
Speaker 1: we were asked to relive our awful experiences only to
Speaker 1: be told it was never about holding any individual to account.
Speaker 1: Another said, if there are still leaders in our network
Speaker 1: who came up again and again, why are they not
Speaker 1: being held accountable? And a third female employee at nine
Speaker 1: told me and I quote we're saddened by the report,
Speaker 1: but we're even more upset that people aren't going to
Speaker 1: be held accountable. Even a current Affair host, Alison Langdon,
Speaker 1: addressed the issue on air tonight, urging leadership to act well.
Speaker 2: Every day we ask you to share your stories to
Speaker 2: right wrongs, and tonight, if you'll spare me a moment,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about my own workplace. There was
Speaker 2: a darning report released today in Tonight's Toxic Culture of
Speaker 2: bullying and Harassments. It's a really hard read because many
Speaker 2: of the stories are from women I deeply admire and
Speaker 2: work closely with.
Speaker 3: Ain is real.
Speaker 2: Their experiences are real, and I have so much respect
Speaker 2: for them, and I know why they spoke up. Transparency
Speaker 2: is important. Sharing the ugliness is via to if anything's
Speaker 2: to change, it is the very business that we're in.
Speaker 2: So it's over to management now to act and to
Speaker 2: show leadership.
Speaker 1: And the report couldn't have been more confrontic. It found
Speaker 1: that across the company, around one quarter of employees had
Speaker 1: been sexually harassed. In Nine's broadcast division, this was far higher,
Speaker 1: with forty four percent of women saying they'd experienced sexual harassment.
Speaker 1: So that's nearly half of all women in nine's television division,
Speaker 1: About fifty two percent of nine employees had experienced or
Speaker 1: witnessed abuse of power or authority. Nearly half of all
Speaker 1: employees had experienced bullying, discrimination, or harassment. And this report
Speaker 1: included the broadcast, radio, digital sales, publishing, corporate divisions as
Speaker 1: well as stan Now. In the review and it was
Speaker 1: tough reading, a nine employee spoke of being groomed by
Speaker 1: an unnamed male. She said, he also touched me on
Speaker 1: the bum at the Christmas party, and at other times
Speaker 1: he'd rubbed my legs under the table. I saw him
Speaker 1: do it to other women. Another staff member was quoted
Speaker 1: in the report describing how inappropriate conduct had been covered
Speaker 1: up by a female employee. She said, the day after
Speaker 1: it the inappropriate workplace behavior happened, this individual came up
Speaker 1: to me to talk about it. I thought she wanted
Speaker 1: to see if I was okay or if I wanted
Speaker 1: to do anything about it, but no, she was there
Speaker 1: to make sure that I didn't say anything, that I
Speaker 1: didn't complain. She made it very clear that it would
Speaker 1: be in my best interests not to make an issue
Speaker 1: out of it. Another comment included in The report states
Speaker 1: that it is drilled into us, never go to They
Speaker 1: are very much on the side of the company. Their
Speaker 1: attitude is it's not our fault. This happened. Make no mistake.
Speaker 1: This is the me too movement hitting one of the
Speaker 1: country's biggest media companies. The allegations are damning but also
Speaker 1: very sad. The working environment for women has been unacceptable
Speaker 1: over many years. It wasn't only sexual harassment either, but
Speaker 1: details of bullying and a toxic culture. The report quotes
Speaker 1: one staff member speaking about being put on ice by
Speaker 1: their manager. She said, everyone calls it punishment island. When
Speaker 1: I was younger, I would be in tears about something
Speaker 1: like this. I've now become disengaged. I'm exhausted by the games.
Speaker 1: There are allegations against a female employee who was alleged
Speaker 1: to have bullied a colleague to the point where they resigned,
Speaker 1: but then she bullied that woman's replacement as well. While
Speaker 1: nine's chair Catherine West was only recently elevated to the role,
Speaker 1: she's been a non executive director since twenty sixteen. In
Speaker 1: an email to staff today, she admitted the company had
Speaker 1: undeniable problems with their workplace culture. She said no department
Speaker 1: is immune, and the results are concerning across the company.
Speaker 1: She said, we are deeply sorry. We unreservedly apologize. You
Speaker 1: should not have had to endure this conduct. Now, let's
Speaker 1: go to some of the other damning allegations, because in
Speaker 1: the broadcast division, employees claim that male reporters are automatically
Speaker 1: assigned all the serious, hard hitting stories, whether it's politics, finance,
Speaker 1: they are One woman was quoted in the report saying
Speaker 1: that it's only the male employees who were taken seriously.
Speaker 1: Another comment included in the report is that women reporters
Speaker 1: seem to be there just to look pretty. Women's right
Speaker 1: to report seems tied to appearance. A woman presenter was
Speaker 1: told when she got pregnant, why would you go and
Speaker 1: do that. The level of abuse and mistreatment contained in
Speaker 1: this robot that's now been laid bare for all of
Speaker 1: us to see is to me a disgrace, particularly the
Speaker 1: role that some played in demanding the conduct be covered up.
Speaker 1: Nine took the time and the expense to conduct this
Speaker 1: external review, and it can't be for nothing. For a
Speaker 1: media organization that it's for years demanded that others are
Speaker 1: held accountable for their actions. Will now as the time
Speaker 1: for the nine board and executives to practice what they preach.
Speaker 1: The perpetrators must be held accountable. The women who suffered
Speaker 1: at their hands deserve justice and their voices to be heard.
Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to this in a moment
Speaker 1: because The Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer Jonathan Moran will
Speaker 1: join me to discuss it. It is an important issue.
Speaker 1: Also coming up in the show Holly Hughes, Adam Crichton
Speaker 1: and retired Major John Spencer. But let's bring in now
Speaker 1: National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Meare Basil Zemplis. Welcome
Speaker 1: to you both. Now, I want to start with what
Speaker 1: is the biggest news surely in the world today, Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's interview on Fox News with journalist Brett Bayer. So
Speaker 1: this was a half an hour interview, but I tell
Speaker 1: you what, I could have watched it for a lot longer.
Speaker 1: This was the first time the Vice president had been
Speaker 1: properly grilled on the immigration issue, at the border, the
Speaker 1: border crisis, the economy, her role in the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: and she just couldn't properly answer any of the questions.
Speaker 1: Have a look at one of these moments.
Speaker 4: How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has
Speaker 4: released into the country over the last three and a
Speaker 4: half years.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because
Speaker 5: I agree with you it is it is a topic
Speaker 5: of discussion that people want to rightly have And you
Speaker 5: know what I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you're just a number.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's one million, three million?
Speaker 1: Brett. Let's just get to the point, Okay.
Speaker 5: The point is that we have a broken immigration system
Speaker 5: that needs to be repaired.
Speaker 4: So your land Security secretary said that eighty five percent
Speaker 4: of apprehension.
Speaker 5: I'm not finished.
Speaker 4: We have a refreshment of six million people have been
Speaker 4: released into the country, and let me just finish. I'll
Speaker 4: get you the question, I promise you.
Speaker 1: I was beginning to answer, Matt the border crisis is
Speaker 1: unquestionably her weakest area with Americans, and you'd think she
Speaker 1: had some lines worked out for what she was going
Speaker 1: to say, but she just couldn't answer the questions.
Speaker 7: Look, Shari, I think this just exposes the very tough
Speaker 7: hand that any Democrat candidate would have right now because
Speaker 7: the current administration has lost control of things like the
Speaker 7: are pretty important issues, and it's quite remarkable to be
Speaker 7: trying to run as a candidate, almost impossible to run
Speaker 7: as a candidate saying hey, I'm going to turn the page.
Speaker 7: But I'm also the incumbent vice president who was responsible
Speaker 7: for all of these issues. There's I think a klonel
Speaker 7: of absurdity at the heart of Karmela's reelection effectively re
Speaker 7: election campaign here that just gets exposed under any kind
Speaker 7: of sustained spotlight like this. It's probably why she's down
Speaker 7: in the polls. It's pretty hard to see here in
Speaker 7: the last few weeks how the Democrats regained momentum. I
Speaker 7: think she's obviously gone on this media blitz because they're.
Speaker 6: Not winning right now.
Speaker 7: They're clearly not doing that well, and she's trying and
Speaker 7: desperately to do anything to claw back. But with the
Speaker 7: record they've got to run on all. Her only answer
Speaker 7: during an interview, and I watched it like you, the
Speaker 7: only answer was I'm not to hold Trump.
Speaker 6: It's probably not going to be enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right, Basil. She turned every art
Speaker 1: into an attack on Donald Trump because she couldn't speak
Speaker 1: about her own performance, particularly on areas like the bottom
Speaker 1: and we just looked at that, but Brett bay is
Speaker 1: excellent questioning went on to speak about one of the
Speaker 1: women who had been killed by an illegal immigrant, who
Speaker 1: should have been behind bars, who would have been behind
Speaker 1: bars under the Trump administration, had Kamala Harris not reversed
Speaker 1: so many of those reforms that were in place, measures
Speaker 1: that were in place. And you know, she couldn't even
Speaker 1: apologize to the family. She said, I'm deeply sorry that
Speaker 1: this happened, but she couldn't take responsibility for it.
Speaker 8: So many mixed messages and so much confusion from her,
Speaker 8: and really there was a lack of preparation. You can
Speaker 8: see that honeymoon period that she enjoyed when Joe Biden
Speaker 8: first stood down and she became the candidate and the
Speaker 8: easy interviews like Oprah for example, that came with it.
Speaker 6: Isn't she longing for those days?
Speaker 8: So she takes the move, or the bold step if
Speaker 8: you liked, to go for a harder interview, thinking if
Speaker 8: I perform well, I can turn it around, and then
Speaker 8: performs abysmally. So she's gone backwards on the strength of
Speaker 8: one interview. And as Matt said, how does she get
Speaker 8: the momentum back? Now it's almost impossible, and what it
Speaker 8: has done is exposed her true positions. And for the record,
Speaker 8: she didn't or couldn't answer that question about how many
Speaker 8: immigrants had been released into the United States, which was
Speaker 8: revealing in itself.
Speaker 1: She would know the figure. She just didn't want it
Speaker 1: to be used, probably in an attack out against her.
Speaker 1: But I want to have a look at another moment,
Speaker 1: because she was asked, you know, she talks about Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's mental state. But then Brett Bayer asked her when
Speaker 1: she first noticed that Joe Biden was suffering from mental decline?
Speaker 1: Have a look at that.
Speaker 4: When did you first notice that President Biden's mental faculties
Speaker 4: appeared diminished?
Speaker 5: Jill Biden. I have watched him from the Oval office
Speaker 5: to the situation room, and he has the judgment and
Speaker 5: the experiment and experienced to do exactly what he has
Speaker 5: done in making very important decisions on behalf of the
Speaker 5: American people.
Speaker 9: Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: Jill Biden is not on the ballot, understanding Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Matt this is a relevant question. He's the current president
Speaker 1: of the United States. Find he is not on the ballot,
Speaker 1: but he's the current president. And as Bayas said to her,
Speaker 1: you've been having weekly lunch meetings with him. You know,
Speaker 1: what obligation did she have do you think Matt to
Speaker 1: actually speak up about whether the president was incapable of
Speaker 1: doing his job.
Speaker 7: Look, the problem the problem for Kamala though, Shahi, she can't.
Speaker 7: She can hardly say yeah, he's not mentally up to it.
Speaker 7: And I found that out in this day because, as
Speaker 7: you say, he's still the president and we've got a
Speaker 7: situation where there's massive conflicts in multiple regions around the world.
Speaker 7: It's very very scary if that is the reality. So
Speaker 7: she can't do that. If she doesn't say that it
Speaker 7: is true, then why is she the candidate not Joe Biden.
Speaker 7: It's very messy. It reminds you a lot of the
Speaker 7: situation that Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd found themselves in
Speaker 7: years ago, when Julia was trying to both defend the
Speaker 7: record of Kevin Rudd but also defend the fact that
Speaker 7: she just kniped him in the back weeks.
Speaker 6: Before an election.
Speaker 7: And apparently the relationship between Carla and Joe Biden's people
Speaker 7: is now probably a similar state of affairs as there
Speaker 7: was there between Julia and Kevin all those years ago.
Speaker 6: Sherry.
Speaker 8: I think on that one we actually have to give
Speaker 8: it to Camalais. It was an awkward answer, but it
Speaker 8: was the only answer she could give because, as Matt said,
Speaker 8: if she said, oh, yes, I did notice or note
Speaker 8: mental decline at a certain period, then the entirety of
Speaker 8: the presidency that where or they are now going through
Speaker 8: at the moment, and indeed her own vice presidency would
Speaker 8: have all sorts of questions over it. It was a
Speaker 8: killer question. Credit to the journal, magnificent question. She actually
Speaker 8: answered it pretty well. Believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think he did such an excellent job. I
Speaker 1: said he was going to you know, I said on
Speaker 1: the show last night or the night before that I
Speaker 1: didn't understand why Donald Trump was attacking Fox for doing
Speaker 1: the interview because a lot of the other networks have
Speaker 1: been doing pre records, They've been doing edits, refusing to
Speaker 1: release transcripts afterwards. Brett Bay was always going to do
Speaker 1: a tough interview. That was obvious. But it has exposed
Speaker 1: her in a way. And you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people today said, oh, he talked over her too much.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He had half an hour to do a
Speaker 1: proper interview with potentially the next president of the free world.
Speaker 1: We needed to get those answers out of her, and
Speaker 1: I wish she would have answered his last question, you know,
Speaker 1: he asked her about Iran and the billions of dollars
Speaker 1: that went to Iran under the Biden administration and how
Speaker 1: that has been used for terror by Hamas and HEZBLA,
Speaker 1: and she just kept speaking over him because she wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to answer that question. So good on
Speaker 1: him for doing such a great interview and his team
Speaker 1: probably all right, let's turn to negative gearing labor and
Speaker 1: ps A backgrounding against the Prime Minister again, this after
Speaker 1: his property splurge was revealed this week. Two insiders told
Speaker 1: The Australian that there's now a renewed push for negative
Speaker 1: gearing reforms. Richard Miles strongly shut down this speculation today.
Speaker 6: Have a look, no jewels have.
Speaker 10: Been opened here. We're not doing need of gearing. That's
Speaker 10: been made manifestly clear and none of that has changed.
Speaker 11: Okay, but negative gearing options are being worked up by Treasury,
Speaker 11: but you're categorically ruling out any changes.
Speaker 10: Just to be clear, I just did, and not only
Speaker 10: have I done that, The Prime Minister has made that clear, Matt.
Speaker 1: It doesn't kill it off though, right, it's off the
Speaker 1: table until it's on.
Speaker 6: The table, exactly right.
Speaker 7: And we've now got a government where it's clearly divided,
Speaker 7: and there are a bunch of people within the Labor
Speaker 7: Party have lost complete confidence in the political strategy and
Speaker 7: now of their current leader, the Prime Minister. So there
Speaker 7: are clearly moves to think about a change of leader
Speaker 7: before the next election. That's why clearly Jim Charmers leaked out.
Speaker 7: I think I'm pretty sure it came from Jim or
Speaker 7: Jim's people that these issues were being considered. You could
Speaker 7: tell the Prime mister Bristle that that suggestion a few
Speaker 7: weeks ago, and there will be this move for to
Speaker 7: do something and I'll just be completely absurd, though, whyonn't
Speaker 7: it chari that if we all face a higher tax
Speaker 7: rate on property because the Prime Minister bought a house.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's what's being argued for here by some
Speaker 7: of these Labor and ps that because the Prime Minster
Speaker 7: bought a mansion, we're going to put property taxes up
Speaker 7: on everybody.
Speaker 6: Why do we have to copy? This is absurd?
Speaker 7: But the government is completely at sea right now. We've
Speaker 7: got major challenges facing the world that we've discussed. We've
Speaker 7: got some of the highest energy prices in the world.
Speaker 7: This country, we're losing a manufacturing industry, our housing. We
Speaker 7: can't provide houses for people, the people living on the
Speaker 7: street in and the government is completely at sea. They
Speaker 7: are lost and it's a bit of a shame here.
Speaker 7: I don't see how they get through the election like this.
Speaker 7: They're completely at odds with each other.
Speaker 1: You don't see how they get through the election, as
Speaker 1: in you think they're going to lose.
Speaker 7: I think, well, I think there's that's definitely on the cards. Obviously,
Speaker 7: I think it's very competitive. Obviously there's a challenge for
Speaker 7: us to win a number of seats we need. But
Speaker 7: it's hard to see how there's much of a choice
Speaker 7: of this train people right now because the Labor Party
Speaker 7: don't have a clear plan for this country. Is that
Speaker 7: we've got a clear plan on housing. They're to cut migration.
Speaker 7: We can let people use their superannuation to buy it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, First, I'm going to cut government spending to bring
Speaker 7: that inflation. We've got a plan.
Speaker 1: These guys don't, Basil, you know. I think the story
Speaker 1: this week about the Prime Minister's purchase of the four
Speaker 1: point three million dollar beach house, not even his main residence,
Speaker 1: has cut through to Australians and it's just such a
Speaker 1: terrible perception issue that the Prime Minister doesn't understand what
Speaker 1: they're going through during a cost of living and housing
Speaker 1: a fidability crisis. Do you think this further derails the
Speaker 1: PM's chance of winning a game.
Speaker 8: There's no doubt about that. It was a bad look,
Speaker 8: badly received by the Australian public at a time when
Speaker 8: there's a housing crisis. We all know that in the
Speaker 8: cost of living crisis on top, I got to say,
Speaker 8: I defend the Prime Minister's right, or any other politicians right.
Speaker 8: If they've done well put some money away, they can
Speaker 8: afford the deposit and they can make the repayments. Good
Speaker 8: luck to them. That's what we encourage in this country.
Speaker 8: We want people to work hard, create their own destiny,
Speaker 8: go for it and be able to do it. However,
Speaker 8: the timing absolutely appalling.
Speaker 6: I also thought, for what.
Speaker 8: It's worth, Scott Morrison was entitled to take a holiday
Speaker 8: with his family. These two moments have been compared and
Speaker 8: I think the analogies are not far off. I think
Speaker 8: they're very similar in terms of the impact of that
Speaker 8: person standing with the Australian public, and that's just unfortunate
Speaker 8: for both of them as it turns out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be interested to see some research on it
Speaker 1: because this could be the moment that he loses the election,
Speaker 1: no question. All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, great to
Speaker 1: see you both. All Right, Well, let's return to tonight's
Speaker 1: top story, where Nine Entertainment has been rocked by a
Speaker 1: bombshell report which found that the network has a systemic
Speaker 1: cultural issue with abuse of power, bullying, discrimination and sexual harassment.
Speaker 1: Let's bring in now the Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Moran. Jonathan, thank you for joining us. Look, this
Speaker 1: is a very sad story, very sobering reading, really devastating.
Speaker 1: I know that you've been speaking with some of the
Speaker 1: women since May this year, as I have the women
Speaker 1: who've been brave enough to speak out about this and
Speaker 1: force this review to go ahead. But Jamo, what can
Speaker 1: you tell me about just how much anger there was
Speaker 1: today when the acting CEO Matt Stanton said that no
Speaker 1: one who is currently at the network would be held
Speaker 1: accountable despite repeat allegations.
Speaker 9: I personally think it's absolutely disgraceful, and that's what I'm
Speaker 9: hearing from multiple women that I'm talking to. The Fact is,
Speaker 9: they've very publicly released this report, very publicly gone out there,
Speaker 9: and surprisingly, I think many of us have been surprised
Speaker 9: by how open that is. It's dropped on the website,
Speaker 9: there's a statement that's gone out and we weren't sure
Speaker 9: what was going to happen, so that actually surprised me.
Speaker 9: It's like sitting at someone's Christmas lunch family table while
Speaker 9: of fight's going on and just watching it all laid
Speaker 9: bare in front of us. But what people are angry about,
Speaker 9: as you said rightly, is to release this report. And
Speaker 9: so we've made twenty two recommendations. But none of the
Speaker 9: people that are mentioned in the report, obviously they're not
Speaker 9: named because they've been taken out, are going to face
Speaker 9: any real accountability. I mean, what does that say about
Speaker 9: this report? The millions of dollars presumably that's gone into
Speaker 9: being conducting this report and to the people have put
Speaker 9: their hearts on the line to really relive this experience
Speaker 9: or these experiences that have gone on for years, decades.
Speaker 9: It's a very sad state of affairs.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, as journalists we always ask when
Speaker 1: did you know something was happening? At what point in time?
Speaker 1: The CEO, presumably the board now note that there are
Speaker 1: current employees who have repeat allegations against them of a
Speaker 1: serious nature. So how in good conscience can they continue
Speaker 1: employing these people without announcing? And you know, I understand
Speaker 1: the argument that there needs to be fair process, but
Speaker 1: without even commencing an investigation, how in good conscience can
Speaker 1: they continue to put staff in Dager in an unsafe environment.
Speaker 9: You would argue that this independent review is a fair
Speaker 9: due course of an investigation, wouldn't you, Sharry? I mean,
Speaker 9: it's it's just nonsensical to me that this isn't the
Speaker 9: first step in then taking the next steps to see
Speaker 9: how they take action.
Speaker 6: So the twenty two.
Speaker 9: References that they've made are things like looking into their
Speaker 9: HR policies, revealing that they've done the review, owning it.
Speaker 9: But what does that actually mean for the people at
Speaker 9: the coal Face that are there still in the newsroom,
Speaker 9: still at the desk, still in the offices, feeling unsafe,
Speaker 9: feeling bullied, feeling hurt, and frankly, it's just not good
Speaker 9: enough and.
Speaker 1: The idea that, as Matt Stanton said to them today,
Speaker 1: if you want to make a complaint, you can now
Speaker 1: ring this hotline. It's not going to be the normal
Speaker 1: HR process as I understand it, there's another process, another
Speaker 1: hotlines because staff don't trust the regular HR process, so
Speaker 1: that people have to relive their trauma all over again.
Speaker 1: Surely that's unacceptable. When the when the company promised accountability,
Speaker 1: they held this review, they asked victims to come forward,
Speaker 1: and now they're saying to them, well, if you want action,
Speaker 1: you have to do it all over again. How can
Speaker 1: that be the process that this media company is following.
Speaker 9: It is unbelievable. I do have to say that they
Speaker 9: have fallen on their sword, so to speak, like this
Speaker 9: is a very damning, damning, damning report. It could not
Speaker 9: have been worse for them, really, I would say.
Speaker 13: So.
Speaker 9: They're not hidden from that. And if you read through
Speaker 9: it's eighty pages, If you read through the statements that
Speaker 9: are made about the treatment of women, the ogling of them,
Speaker 9: all of that stuff, the bullying is extreme. And even
Speaker 9: executives that I've spoken to today at nine were shocked
Speaker 9: at the depths to which this report has gone.
Speaker 1: But you're right, what's next?
Speaker 9: And if you were a victim or an alleged victim
Speaker 9: of this behavior, you would have thought that this independent
Speaker 9: review would have been that first step, and that that
Speaker 9: information that they've gone through and bravely recounted would factor
Speaker 9: into what the next steps would be. It is just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I think one of the other really sad things that
Speaker 1: you read in the report, and of course we did
Speaker 1: report this at the time back in May, that a
Speaker 1: lot of the allegations had been known to some people
Speaker 1: but had been swept under the rig, had been covered up,
Speaker 1: but that finding that we reported, that finding was in
Speaker 1: the report today. It found that people were told not
Speaker 1: to go to HR, that one female colleague came to
Speaker 1: someone who'd experienced sexual harassment the night before and said
Speaker 1: to her, don't report this, don't take it further. So again,
Speaker 1: that cover up is so damning and it's so damaging,
Speaker 1: and it contributes to that unsafe work environment.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and people are told if you come forward, then
Speaker 9: you're never going to work again. And the fact is
Speaker 9: that these are the people that make those decisions their
Speaker 9: few jobs, and that's it. So the people that I've
Speaker 9: spoken to a number of people who don't work there anymore.
Speaker 9: Their careers are over financially, they're struggling, what do they do?
Speaker 9: Their mental health is broken. It's a very sad state
Speaker 9: of affairs. So yeah, I mean what is next is
Speaker 9: the massive question is what these people can do either
Speaker 9: to ask for more assistance to do what can they
Speaker 9: do with what this report has found? As I said,
Speaker 9: it's very damning.
Speaker 1: It is indeed, and Jamo, we appreciate your time to
Speaker 1: help us break it down tonight. In just a final
Speaker 1: shout out to the brave, courageous women and the one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two people in total, current and former
Speaker 1: staff who went through the trauma of having to relive
Speaker 1: those experiences for this review. Right, plenty more to come tonight.
Speaker 1: Australia's birth rate hits rock bottom as the cost of
Speaker 1: living source. This means for our economic future. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about that with my panel Holly Hughes, Jason Morrison later,
Speaker 1: but first, the only Australian politician in Lebanon's parliament. He's
Speaker 1: going to join us live from Beirut and he'll speak
Speaker 1: about why he's fighting against Hesbalah. That's after the break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well, let's cross live now to Lebanon, where
Speaker 1: Ihab Mata joins me live. Ihab is a proud Australian citizen.
Speaker 1: But Ihab, you felt a duty three years ago to
Speaker 1: join the Lebanese Parliament to run for elections. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me how you came to be a politician in Lebanon.
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, a very good evening to you, Sherry,
Speaker 12: very good evening to the audience and to all Australians now. Obviously,
Speaker 12: being of Tibonese origin, I'm agree to Australia. Forty years
Speaker 12: ago and along the way, I was following this situation
Speaker 12: in Lebanon, and I felt pity for the situation in Lebanon,
Speaker 12: the corruption on every level, economic and political. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 12: there was a political revolution in Lebanon where the people
Speaker 12: said enough is enough and we felt that the time
Speaker 12: was right for a new blood to be taken over
Speaker 12: the political life in Lebanon. So, by the time election
Speaker 12: was due in twenty twenty two, I felt a sense
Speaker 12: of obligation towards my country to play a role in
Speaker 12: the new political pass and party, if you like, so
Speaker 12: I decided to return to Lebanon to play this role.
Speaker 12: I ran as an independent, I was at the head
Speaker 12: of a ticket and I got elected for many reasons,
Speaker 12: and one of the reasons that I was elected for
Speaker 12: was the fact that I am actually an Australian. I
Speaker 12: spent a lot of my time in Australia. People believe
Speaker 12: that Australia is one of the best countries in the world,
Speaker 12: if not the best, and obviously I felt that I
Speaker 12: was ready to take this journey because of my experience
Speaker 12: and my tim spent in Australia, where I was able
Speaker 12: to learn about food management, I was able to learn
Speaker 12: that a politician is there to serve the people. I
Speaker 12: learned that integrity and the transparency in public life is
Speaker 12: the key to success. And two years on, I'm still
Speaker 12: here being a dependent, remaining dependent and then trying to
Speaker 12: fight for a better future for my country.
Speaker 1: Anie, have you've been very courageous because you've publicly spoken
Speaker 1: out against the terror organization Hesbela. I mean, presumably that
Speaker 1: would endanger put you in danger as well. Your family
Speaker 1: is with you in Lebanon, and why are you taking
Speaker 1: a public position and speaking out against Hesbela.
Speaker 12: Well, look, for a long time, the majority of Yoganese
Speaker 12: people believe that we need to have a strong government.
Speaker 12: We need to government that is uh everpowering, and then
Speaker 12: there is ruling in Lebanon. Most of Lebanese people believe
Speaker 12: that the WAYLA exists in its form, its armed form,
Speaker 12: is out of the state. So what I'm saying now
Speaker 12: is something that I've always said, even before entering public life,
Speaker 12: and that's something that I will continue to say, not
Speaker 12: to criticize as Balla per se, but to try and
Speaker 12: then advise them to return back to become a political party.
Speaker 12: It disarmed a political party and player role like all parties.
Speaker 12: You can be in a position, you can be, you know,
Speaker 12: like a coalition, but the existence of an armed mini
Speaker 12: state within the official state is unacceptable.
Speaker 1: This will be difficult to demilitarize Hezbala though I wanted.
Speaker 1: I mean, Israel has taken out a lot of its leadership,
Speaker 1: of course, including Hassan Israela, but Iran continues to fund
Speaker 1: the growth.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I think, you know, obviously if hits the
Speaker 12: men on the head. The main issue here is not
Speaker 12: the conflict between Israel and Lebanon per se.
Speaker 1: But we believe that this is.
Speaker 12: The conflict between Israel and Iran that has been played
Speaker 12: out on Lebanese soil because because of the existence of
Speaker 12: fasball Lave belonging to Iran. And this is what we
Speaker 12: are trying to say as politicians, we are trying to
Speaker 12: speak to isabel Lah to make some sense and to
Speaker 12: them and then encouraging them to come back to being Lebanese,
Speaker 12: come back to obviously address the interest of Lebanon and
Speaker 12: then the people of Lebanon and then detached from Iran
Speaker 12: because what Iran is doing for his ball Lah is
Speaker 12: obviously utilizing them to their benefit. And then this is
Speaker 12: this is becoming a very high and very expensive cost.
Speaker 12: We have Lebanese villians that have been killed, we have
Speaker 12: obviously tons of people who have been displaced. We have
Speaker 12: more than one point five million that have been displaced.
Speaker 12: We have obviously a large area of the South Blon
Speaker 12: that has been demolished. So hopefully this is time for
Speaker 12: Hesbelah to say, well, I want the interest of Lebanon.
Speaker 12: Therefore I need to be playing the role of the
Speaker 12: Lebanese party and then try to detach from Iran.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the suffering for the Lebanese people has been devastating,
Speaker 1: no question the UN Security Council Resolution seventeen oh one
Speaker 1: that came into effect after the Second Lebanon War in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six was meant to keep southern Lebanon demilitarized.
Speaker 1: It was meant to keep Hesbola north of the Latany River.
Speaker 1: Are you critical of the UN for failing to ensure
Speaker 1: that Hesbela did stay north and wasn't in a position
Speaker 1: to start attacking Israel as it did on October eighth
Speaker 1: last year?
Speaker 12: Look to be quite quite honest with you, Sherry, I
Speaker 12: criticize both parties because post parties did not fully implement
Speaker 12: and then apply Resolutions seventeen oh one from two thousand
Speaker 12: and six. So now, obviously we believe that we need
Speaker 12: to go back to just obeying the resolution, all your
Speaker 12: resolutions starting by the seventeen oh one and full deployment
Speaker 12: of the Lebanese Army of Litani. But at the same time,
Speaker 12: we want Israel to be respected different implementation of seventeen
Speaker 12: oh one because we know and then we acknowledge the
Speaker 12: violation of the seventeen oh one have occurred from both
Speaker 12: parties since two thousand and six until now. So the
Speaker 12: criticism is for all involved. Both parties to come back,
Speaker 12: and then obviously no solution in the area, no truths
Speaker 12: in the area will happen, No sense of stability will
Speaker 12: have open for the people on both sides if we
Speaker 12: continue to go through a ward and then continue to
Speaker 12: use weapons as a mean of trying to enforce our opinion.
Speaker 12: I believe there's no solution but the diplomatic and the
Speaker 12: political solutions and obviously driven by the UN.
Speaker 1: All right, Ahabmata, really appreciate your thoughts and for joining
Speaker 1: us from Beirut, and we hope you stay safe now
Speaker 1: still to come after the break, Why the housing crisis
Speaker 1: is impacting on the birth rate. Jason Morrison and Holly
Speaker 1: Hughes would join me next and later we're going to
Speaker 1: return to Kamala Harrison's Fox News interview. Adam Crichton will
Speaker 1: be on live from Washington, So stay tuned, welcome back. Well,
Speaker 1: let's bring it now commentator Jason Morrison and Liberal Senator
Speaker 1: Holly Hughes. And Holly, of course you're at home because
Speaker 1: the city in Sydney is basically shut down after that
Speaker 1: horrific accident on the Harbor Bridge this afternoon. Two people died,
Speaker 1: so very tragic accident, but yet one accident on the
Speaker 1: bridge and it shuts down the whole of Sydney. Let's
Speaker 1: start with the declining birth rate, because we read today
Speaker 1: that the extent of the housing crisis is now being
Speaker 1: blamed for Australia's flatlining birth rate. We've hit the lowest
Speaker 1: birth rate in modern record, only two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: seven thousand babies born last year, so that's a rate
Speaker 1: of one point five per woman. Jason, it's not surprising
Speaker 1: that in this cost of living crisis, people are now saying,
Speaker 1: can that actually afford to have more children?
Speaker 13: I'm not surprised at that we've been suffering a replacement
Speaker 13: issue in Australia.
Speaker 6: For a long time number of babies born.
Speaker 13: For people who's just been going down, the birth rate's
Speaker 13: going down, they're not always the same thing because we
Speaker 13: have to keep bringing people into this country to sort
Speaker 13: of service it, and we're kind of making up reasons
Speaker 13: to boost the population without looking at our own issues.
Speaker 6: But I think it's deeper than just cost of living.
Speaker 13: I actually think society has devalued motherhood a bit, and
Speaker 13: in many respects, women are kind of told that motherhood's
Speaker 13: an end of a career, and it comes out and
Speaker 13: it's said so often, and I know my own wife,
Speaker 13: I think once wrote quite a courageous piece for the
Speaker 13: newspaper you're working for at the time where she sort
Speaker 13: of said, the moment you go on maternity leave, all
Speaker 13: thenyone wants to know is when you're coming back, not
Speaker 13: what are you going to do? How long you be
Speaker 13: with your kids? And I think we do have an
Speaker 13: issue that is bigger than just the cost of.
Speaker 6: Living and whatever else.
Speaker 13: It is our attitude to motherhood and its place in society.
Speaker 13: And I reckon that's something a country like ours needs
Speaker 13: to talk about.
Speaker 1: I think there's some truth to that. We see in society,
Speaker 1: this push to get babies into childcare, often as early
Speaker 1: as possible. The governments are obsessed with childcare holy So
Speaker 1: I think there is some truth to that. But there's
Speaker 1: also no question that some families might have chosen to
Speaker 1: have two or three children, even more, but they just
Speaker 1: can't afford it. It's too expensive, particularly in the major citis.
Speaker 3: But I think Jason's right. I think Jason's absolutely hit
Speaker 3: the nail on the head. We have devalued motherhood. And interestingly,
Speaker 3: Jason Lowe in contrast what your life experienced. When I
Speaker 3: first went on maternity with my baby in politics from
Speaker 3: a woman with no children, the comment was, we're going
Speaker 3: to miss you so much, but you know you might
Speaker 3: be back in sixteen or eighteen years. And I remember
Speaker 3: turning around her saying, I'm having a baby. But the
Speaker 3: expectation was that I would leave and not come back
Speaker 3: at all. But I look, I have my one for mum,
Speaker 3: one for dad, one for the country. And every time
Speaker 3: I see Peter Costello, I say to him, where do
Speaker 3: I send my one the country to get that information?
Speaker 3: He's about to turn fourteen a little bit, my favorite.
Speaker 1: So let's not say that, you know, I think we.
Speaker 3: Have devalued motherhood with devalued children.
Speaker 12: I think the.
Speaker 3: Rise of the mummy blogger and how terrible motherhood is
Speaker 3: and how challenging it is and how hard it is
Speaker 3: has actually made women think maybe I really.
Speaker 9: Don't want to do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know about your wife, Jason yu Sharhi. I
Speaker 3: just wanted my babies, and I was going to have
Speaker 3: my babies whatever it costs. And I have one with
Speaker 3: a disability before the NBAS and let me tell you,
Speaker 3: they cost a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree with your motherhood absolute best job
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 6: Couldn't notified.
Speaker 13: I'm sorry, but yeah, really, I am very hard to
Speaker 13: be that because I must say I sat in the
Speaker 13: car think and am I going to say this because as.
Speaker 6: A dude, you're not allowed to have these comments.
Speaker 13: But I actually think this is a real fundamental societal issue,
Speaker 13: and we've turned it into a women's issue.
Speaker 6: It's actually a bigger issue than that.
Speaker 3: It's a family issue.
Speaker 13: It's a family issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and childcare is a family issue. All of these
Speaker 3: things are a family issue, not a women's issue. And
Speaker 3: until we start speaking about them in noise terms, Yes,
Speaker 3: good point, come up against the same wall.
Speaker 1: Good point. All right, Well, let's have a look at
Speaker 1: Tony Burke because he has canceled the visa of a
Speaker 1: pro Palestinian professor. But he's tonight under pressure to remove
Speaker 1: a labor pointed member of the Council for the National
Speaker 1: Gallery of Australia who accused Israel of committing genocide. In
Speaker 1: social media posts, Abdul Rahm and Abdullah accused Israel of
Speaker 1: conducting a holocaust against the Palestinian people. He called on
Speaker 1: Israel's opponents to end this sickness and end Zionism. Jason
Speaker 1: Tony Burke has to act here.
Speaker 6: Shirley got to go. Shouldn't have been there in the
Speaker 6: first place.
Speaker 13: You scratched the surface with unfortunately too many so called
Speaker 13: Islamic leaders, and you find a Jew hater, and you
Speaker 13: find people that hate Australia, and this guy is one
Speaker 13: of them. He doesn't like Jews and he don't like
Speaker 13: Australia very much. So I don't know why we reward them.
Speaker 13: Look has a problem. We seem to let communities decide,
Speaker 13: you know, this guy should be our representative. They're often
Speaker 13: not the representative I had for many years, and you'd
Speaker 13: know this Kaiser Trade. I had huge dramas with Kais
Speaker 13: of Trade. We went to the High Court over Kais
Speaker 13: of Trade over deformations because I knew he was a
Speaker 13: person who had particular views which I thought were disgusting
Speaker 13: and repugnant, and thankfully the court agreed.
Speaker 6: But governments kept putting.
Speaker 13: Him on boards and it got to the point where
Speaker 13: you almost had to keep sending them the judgment from
Speaker 13: the court to say, why are you promoting this man?
Speaker 13: He is not representative of mainstream Islamic views. He's representative
Speaker 13: of a perverted view of it. This guy's one of
Speaker 13: them too. Shouldn't be there, Tony Burke, wake up, grow
Speaker 13: up and grow a set and get rid of him.
Speaker 1: Really, Holly, do you give Tony Burke credit firstly for
Speaker 1: canceling the visa of the pro Palestinian professor? And do
Speaker 1: you think he should also act in this case.
Speaker 3: I don't give anyone credit for canceling the visa of
Speaker 3: someone after they've left the country. I think to try
Speaker 3: and claim credit when the guy's already left the country.
Speaker 3: The issue is he should never have been given a
Speaker 3: visa in the first place. And I think disappointment. And
Speaker 3: I'm going to bet my bottom dollar on Tony Burke's
Speaker 3: in action says more about his bid to keep his
Speaker 3: seat in Southwest Sydney than it does about his respect
Speaker 3: for the Australian people.
Speaker 12: Our culture, our way of life.
Speaker 3: It is absolute appeasement at the worst level that we're
Speaker 3: consistently seeing from this Albanese government, and no one is
Speaker 3: more flagrant with it than Tony Burke, probably only closely
Speaker 3: followed by Jason Clair and Ed Husick.
Speaker 1: It's extraordinary that Tony Burke, given his attitudes to this issue,
Speaker 1: and we know that over a long period of time
Speaker 1: is now the minister in charge of visas. It's a
Speaker 1: scary thought. All right, Jason Morris and Holly Hughes, thank
Speaker 1: you both very much for your time. Now still to come,
Speaker 1: we'll cross live to Washington for more analysis on Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's interview today with Fox News. Was it worth the
Speaker 1: risk for her? I'll talk about it with Adam Crichton
Speaker 1: after the break. All right, well, let's return to Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris's interview on Fox News, and let's bring in Adam Crichton,
Speaker 1: the Australians Washington corresponded, Adam, good to see you. I
Speaker 1: thought this was a sensational interview. I just want to
Speaker 1: start with the moment where Brett Bayer pressed Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: on her past comments around gender reassignment surgeries for people
Speaker 1: who are inmates. Let's have a look at that.
Speaker 3: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes from prisoners.
Speaker 5: Surgery for prisoners. For prisoners, every transgender in me in
Speaker 5: the prison system would have access.
Speaker 4: So are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars
Speaker 4: to help prison inmates or detain the illegal aliens to
Speaker 4: transition to another gender.
Speaker 5: I will follow the law. And it's a law that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump actually followed.
Speaker 1: You're probably familiar with. Now it's a public report, Adam.
Speaker 1: That interview just produced so many gold moments. I wish
Speaker 1: it would have gone for an hour. I was glued.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to go home for longer. But that
Speaker 1: was just yet another example of a question she couldn't answer.
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, that's basically right. She hardly answered any questions
Speaker 11: at all. I think in the thirty minute interview, I
Speaker 11: don't think anyone watching that really learned anything about her
Speaker 11: position on anything. And actually, just after she was asked
Speaker 11: that question about the reassignment surgery, she became quite upset.
Speaker 11: I thought she was almost going to cry at one point.
Speaker 11: At least that's what I thought, and many social media
Speaker 11: users thought the same thing. It was a it was
Speaker 11: a difficult certainly a difficult.
Speaker 6: Experience for her.
Speaker 11: It was very confrontational, very adversarial, and she finally faced
Speaker 11: some tough questions.
Speaker 6: And you know, throughout her career, she.
Speaker 11: Hasn't really done many interviews like that, and I think
Speaker 11: that's what the problem was. That's what really showed up
Speaker 11: in that interview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's turn to another moment now where Brett
Speaker 1: Baya was trying to ask her about the threat from Iran.
Speaker 4: Have a look, critics just say that you either relaxed
Speaker 4: or failed to enforced sanctions on Iran, allowing all of
Speaker 4: this money to flow into Iran like billions.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Donald Trump. Hold on who pulled out?
Speaker 5: Who pulled out of a deal that would have actually
Speaker 5: put but here are Ran in check the estimates and
Speaker 5: billions during Donald Trump's administer the Ran regime, that we
Speaker 5: had an American military base that was attacked.
Speaker 1: It was such an important question from Brett Bayer the
Speaker 1: billions that went to Iran that were part of funding
Speaker 1: Harmas and HEZBLA. And she didn't answer what role her
Speaker 1: administration played in this.
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, certainly that was a good part of the
Speaker 11: interview where you see the Trump dearrangement syndrome of her
Speaker 11: on full display. I mean, you'd have to say, you know,
Speaker 11: probably fifteen minutes of the interview, she would talk about
Speaker 11: Donald Trump's rhetoric, how it horribly is, what a bad
Speaker 11: person is, how it was his fault in the Middle East,
Speaker 11: and on immigration and basically on everything. I mean, she
Speaker 11: refused to concede any responsibility whatsoever, for instance, for the
Speaker 11: illegal immigration over the southern border. That's how the interview started,
Speaker 11: and it started badly.
Speaker 6: And look at my view, I think it went downhill
Speaker 6: from there.
Speaker 11: I mean, interestingly, it hasn't really moved the political betting
Speaker 11: markets at all. I thought it might have in Donald
Speaker 11: Trump's favor, but they haven't moved at all overnight, So
Speaker 11: perhaps it's a wash. You know, we're at the stage
Speaker 11: of the campaign where people that like I say she
Speaker 11: did great and was feisty, and people that don't like
Speaker 11: I say, you know.
Speaker 6: She was angry and not very good.
Speaker 11: So look, my view is like though, is that I
Speaker 11: don't think she'll be doing any more Fox interviews in
Speaker 11: the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing she even did one of them. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: commentariat turn their noses up at Fox News. And this
Speaker 1: was the only proper interview we've seen, the only interview
Speaker 1: where she was asked for tough questions about her record,
Speaker 1: about what she knew about Joe Biden's mental acuity, about
Speaker 1: how her record would actually be different from Joe Biden's
Speaker 1: with follow up questions, and it has exposed her for
Speaker 1: lacking in substance. Adam.
Speaker 11: Yes, that's right. And as you say, why did she
Speaker 11: do the interview in the first place, That's probably the
Speaker 11: more interesting question. I mean, a few weeks ago, no
Speaker 11: one would have expected this, and I think it smacks
Speaker 11: of desperation in the campaign. I mean, we're seeing now
Speaker 11: in the final weeks of the campaign, the polls are
Speaker 11: really narrowing, and of course we know from twenty sixteen
Speaker 11: and twenty twenty that those poles are systematically in favor
Speaker 11: of Democrat. Yes, the last few.
Speaker 1: Weeks for her, Yeah, all right, we're out of time, Adam.
Speaker 1: And by the way, how annoying was it how she
Speaker 1: kept saying, let me be clear, let me be clear,
Speaker 1: let me be clear, and then she wasn't clear. Here's
Speaker 1: to a man now who's always clear. Poor Murray.