1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: This is what the Flux. I'm Brett and I'm Justin 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: and it's Friday. They're twenty eight the November Chuzzi Boy. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Another day, another spotlight on Optus Again. Optus warned that 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: it suffered another triple zero call outage near Melbourne, impacting 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: about fourteen thousand users. And that's two months after a 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: broader disruption and a commitment to do better. So it's 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: fair to say that Optus is not on the Australian 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Communications and Media Authorities Gift list this Christmas could be. 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: On the naughty list if you ask me to be man. 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: Uh huh dam. We are back this Friday with our 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: weekly game at quick Sticks where we give play fifty 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: bucks to the fastest and smartest person in the Flux community. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 2: So if you want to play quick Sticks and ads 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: a three business or finance questions correctly and make sure 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: you download the Flux out turn your notifications on to 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: kick off your weekend on a high. 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Three riveting stories today, Juzzy Boy, let's do it for 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: our first Temple and Webster's shares have crashed over thirty percent, 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: even though the company saw strong revenue growth and record 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: customer numbers. 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: Investors fell out their cheap Temple of Webster chairs. Be 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: man out to this news, So tell me. 23 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: What So, as we've spoken about many times before, Temple 24 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: and Webster is one of Australia's biggest online furniture and 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: homewares retailers, founded in. 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 2: Twenty eleven during the early boom of online shopping. 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: Listed in twenty sixteen and at share price polummeted. 28 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: But it came good during the COVID years when it 29 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: did a full turnaround and at share price went Bisier. 30 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: And Judge wait. Temple and Webster continued to share their 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: growth story to the market. 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 2: Revenue from July to November this year jumped eighteen percent 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: year on. 34 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Year, Active customers hit record levels and average order values 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: are up three percent. But investors, we're having none of 36 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: these results. And I mean nada, zilch zero. 37 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: I see man. Analysts are expecting around it twenty three 38 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: percent revenue growth for the heart. 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: So it's reported eighteen percent fell short of the mark. 40 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: Next minute, templan Wors' share price plummeted more than thirty 41 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: percent to an eleven month low. 42 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: When you miss consensus, the market makes you pay for it. 43 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: So what is the key leading here. 44 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Consensus is the average what analysts think a company will deliver. 45 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: It's a benchmark that fund managers use to judge whether 46 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: a business is outperforming or underperforming. 47 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Now, juse boy, if a company beats consensus, the share 48 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: price usually lifts. 49 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: That's because the market then upgrades its expectations of future profit. 50 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: But if a company misses consensus even slightly, the price 51 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: can fall hard. 52 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: Because the market needs to reset those future assumptions. 53 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: In Temple and Webster's case, there was a five percent 54 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: gap between its consensus revenue growth and its actual growth. 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: And while that may sound small to you, be man, 56 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: that gap matters. 57 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: Well high growth businesses like Temple and Webster. They get 58 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: valued very generously based on their future earnings. Juzzy boy. 59 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a high risk, high reward game that has 60 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: been paying off for Temple and Webster in the past, but. 61 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: In this half that game punished them. 62 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: So it's no surprise. Jerry Harvey, the founder of Harvey Norman, 63 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: claims it Temple and Webster is overpriced. Tabuggery. 64 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: For our second story, Aware Super, one of Australia's biggest 65 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: super funds, has spent nearly fifty million dollars on marketing 66 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: over the last year as the race for super dollars 67 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: heats up. 68 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: Nothing like seeing my superannuation dollars going into marketing tell 69 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: me more so, Juzzy boy. 70 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: We know that Australia's super industry is an apps loop 71 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: behemoth right now. 72 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: It's estimated there is more than four point three trillion 73 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: dollars in super money around Australia. 74 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: And it continues to grow year over year as more 75 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: Australians are forced to contribute money. 76 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: So it's fair to say the competition for those super 77 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: dollars is turning quite fierce. 78 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: And now it's been revealed that Australia's industry super funds 79 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: are spending tens of millions of dollars on marketing and sponsorships. 80 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: Every year to woo new super customers. Yeah. 81 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: In first place comes Aware Super, who spent forty eight 82 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: point six million dollars on marketing last year, including sponsoring 83 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: the GWS Giants and Netball New South Wales. We've got 84 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: host Plus and the Australian Retirement Trust were not far 85 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: behind with around thirty five million buckers each, and they man. 86 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Retail super funds. Supposedly the for profit ones, they actually. 87 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Spent far less, and now the regulators are asking a 88 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: few pointed questions. 89 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: In particular since their industry and not for profit super funds. 90 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, the industry super funds need to prove that these 91 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: sponsorships and flashy campaigns actually benefit their end members. 92 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: So what is the key leading here? 93 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: If it not for profit is spending members money, they'd 94 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: better be able to prove it actually helps members. 95 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: You see the man. Industry funds argue that marketing is 96 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: actually for the long term best interests of their current customers. 97 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Marketing attracts new members, New members boost their scale, larger scale, 98 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: reduces member fees, and ultimately the notion is that it 99 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: costs their current members less over the long term. But juseboy, 100 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: marketing spend that benefits the brand without improving financial outcomes 101 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: becomes pretty difficult to justify. 102 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: Yep. The retail funds, which are for profit, can argue 103 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: that marketing is a commercial cost of doing business, but 104 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: even they are spending less. 105 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: Colonial First State, for example, they spend just over five 106 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: million bucks on marketing last year, and Old Vanguard they 107 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: spent just under eight million bucks. 108 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: So industry super funds are spending a lot more and 109 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: right now OPRAA isn't convinced that all that spend is justified. 110 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: For our third and final story, skin Candy, the Australian 111 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: body piercing and jewelry business, is getting ready for a 112 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar IBO, but it does not have 113 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: history on its side, and. 114 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: I've been a big fan of skin Candy in the past. 115 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: Pans So skin Candy, for those who are not aware, 116 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: is a Queensland born body piercing and jewelry business that 117 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: started back in twenty ten with just one store. 118 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: But over the past fifteen years it's growing to over 119 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: ninety stores across Australia and New Zealand. 120 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: Now skin Candy service isn't just the standard ear piecing 121 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: number Juzzy Boy. 122 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: You can piece elips, your eyebrowity, belly button as well 123 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: as sixty five other body placements. 124 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Too much information that Juzzy Boys just slow down, But. 125 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: They also sell the billing that you need for your 126 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: fresh piercing as well. 127 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: Up until now, skin Candy has been funded by private equity, 128 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: but now they're looking to pierce into the public markets. 129 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: Yep, skin Candy's preparing for a twenty twenty six IPO 130 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: and they're gunning for a four hundred million dollar valuation 131 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: to expand their business into the US. 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: But history shows jusey boy that beauty related IPOs do 133 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: not always go as plants. 134 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: That's true, So what is the key learning here? 135 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: Public markets love a beauty story, but they hate unpredictable earnings, and. 136 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: A major challenge for beauty retailers is the consumers can 137 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: be a little bit volatile with their beauty spending. 138 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: In recent years, the demand for body piercings has really 139 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: own as people view piercings as a form of self expression. 140 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: Like yourself. But if piercings go out of fashion, the 141 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: business can lose their sales pretty pretty quickly. 142 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: We've seen it happen before with Silk Laser Clinics. 143 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: Yes, Silk had the private equity backing and then listed 144 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: on the ASEX with an enterprise value of one hundred 145 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: and sixty mil But once. 146 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: It hit the ASX, it or really battle to keep 147 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: up with high investor expectations. 148 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: And three years later it was taken private by Woolworths 149 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: at one hundred and eighty million dollar valuation because it 150 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: didn't quite light up the markets. So even with fast 151 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: growth and the strong demand from skin candy. They need 152 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: to show that their march into stable and their earnings 153 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: are predictable to win the hearts and minds of investor. 154 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: Flucks aam. If you want to CHICU weekend off and 155 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: a high rolling into December with fifty bucks in your pockets, 156 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: there's one way to do it in the Flux Up 157 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: today with our weekly quiz quick Sticks. All you've got 158 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: to do is be the fastest and the smartest answer 159 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: three business and finance questions directly, and the money could 160 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: be yours. 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