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Speaker 1: I'm on annual leave at the moment, and so is

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Speaker 1: Producer X. But we are coming to you with some

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Speaker 1: of our best of moments to get us through this

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Speaker 1: holiday period. Now, this has to be one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite episodes of twenty twenty five. We had Emma and

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Speaker 1: Sarah from Interview Boss come on the pod who have

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Speaker 1: told us some of the worst and the most crazy

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Speaker 1: even I tell a cheeky tale or two, this is

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Speaker 1: a juicy one.

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Speaker 2: So take a listen.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be just spilling some tea about things

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Speaker 1: that we've heard that have happened in workplaces in our experience.

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Speaker 3: What have you got, Sarah, Well, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: say whether this was anything to do with any workplaces

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Speaker 3: I've worked in, or whether I've heard legacy. Whatever happened

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Speaker 3: someone vaping at their desk wasn't just a regular vape though,

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Speaker 3: it was a weed vape, not just like indoors at

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Speaker 4: What's the disciplinary action for a weed vape?

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Speaker 2: Immediate dismissed.

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Speaker 3: It depends on how long they've been working there.

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Speaker 5: Hang on, who who noticed this was that the teammate

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Speaker 3: They didn't even hide it. Someone was like, ah, I

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Speaker 2: That's a step too far.

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Speaker 3: A fellow yeah, fellow vapor who pointed them out, I think,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it depends on how long they've been working there.

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Speaker 3: I think in this case the person was maybe in probation.

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Speaker 3: So that's a very straight forward kind of situation.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing as well, which we didn't touch on

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Speaker 2: Terrifying and you've got to put so much trust.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that you deal with a lot in

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Speaker 1: it's just something that I never thought of when I

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Speaker 2: Actually deal with that issue. And it's just one of

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Speaker 1: No, you can't just be like get the fuck out

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Speaker 2: To take all these necessary steps.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's like you can sometimes see that

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Speaker 3: it's sometimes helpful to think about it from a perspective

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Speaker 1: Which I think is something that a lot of business

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Speaker 1: People don't want to do it, so either leave it

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Speaker 1: But in my experience, I've just learned have that hard

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Speaker 3: What other situations have you had to deal with.

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Speaker 2: Or heard about happening in other places?

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Speaker 1: TV One that comes to mind that I don't know

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Speaker 2: Someone napping on the clock.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I can one up that. Oh what about

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Speaker 3: napping on the clock up high in the racks of

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Speaker 5: Yeah okay, yeah, okay, apparently that's a common thing.

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Speaker 3: I can say that climbing up into the racks up high,

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Speaker 3: that's right, And it's like it's just there's so many

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Speaker 3: so you could unpack in that warning letter termination the confidence.

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Speaker 5: Like I've been tempted to nap a lot of times

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing I'm like, if you need to

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, someone drinking vodka out of a water

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Speaker 2: Okay, how did how did that?

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Speaker 4: I find out how do you find out that.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad one? Because it was actually a customer

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Speaker 3: Like as in at work? Yes, like in the office.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like physical intimate like in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never experienced that, Like I can say, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what people are getting to do at

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Speaker 4: No I've heard now that I'm in corporate life, I

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Speaker 3: I believe it. And yeah, honestly, like, provided that it's

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Speaker 4: I don't want to.

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Speaker 5: Deal with it.

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Speaker 2: That's what we always say.

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Speaker 1: Like there's been a few instances where I've had to

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for an opportunity, no, like I don't want

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Speaker 3: Honestly, even if you think people are evil, it's more

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Speaker 1: Right, And I wish staff would just realize that, Like

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be besties, like we don't expect that,

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Speaker 3: And there's so many things where you just could have said, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, and it wouldn't have been It's better

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Speaker 3: a whole story. And like, there's so many I think

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Speaker 3: guess like the crazy, outlandish kind of behavior, But the

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Speaker 3: more crazy concerning is the fraud. The you know, gift voucher,

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Speaker 1: I worked at a place when I was when I

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Speaker 1: was younger, like before I had a license, I was

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Speaker 1: that were a couple, like we were all really young,

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Speaker 1: like they were a few years older than me. They

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Speaker 2: And I remember I was so young.

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Speaker 1: Like I would have been fifteen, because like I couldn't

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Speaker 3: Have hear mental maths.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was mental the way that they were

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Speaker 3: And I wasn't putting it in the register something cheaper,

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Speaker 2: Felt pressured to do it. I felt pressured to.

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Speaker 5: Like I do relate to I used to almost have

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Speaker 2: Without their ten cents. I'll give you the ten cents.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, now.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty bucks, just stay here. And they're staring at

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Speaker 4: And they're actually, I got fifty cents here and you're like,

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Speaker 3: That's me Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm like someone did that to me. Now I'll be like,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, in my brains six square, I work this out.

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Speaker 3: But yeah that happened, Like, oh, I'm going to have

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, no I can't, I can't, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: To the old workplace, and the owners ended up finding

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Speaker 3: Like oh this stock take would be wrong?

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Speaker 3: Conflict. Nobody interview me please. Yeah, if you lied in

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Speaker 5: Was it all kind of I don't recommend do as

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Speaker 5: about eighteen, I applied for a trainee ship in my hometown,

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Speaker 5: like a business admin trainee ship. Interview went really really well,

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Speaker 5: absolutely couldn't drive manual. I only had an automatic license.

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Speaker 5: No one in my family ever had a manual. And

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Speaker 5: to learn how to drive manual and guess you can

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Speaker 5: drive manual down slang, and you know.

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Speaker 2: What, I had no choice but to learn in a

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Speaker 1: It's a flex because not many people can drive manuals

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Speaker 3: And yeah, honestly though, it's almost like the reverse of

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm a country girl. You can't drive a manual, Like.

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Speaker 2: That's shameful, shameful.

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Speaker 3: But the worst thing is just expected.

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Speaker 5: In the end, they were just asking because they had

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Speaker 5: they're like, instead of taking your own car, you can

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Speaker 3: So there's no need to learn.

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Speaker 2: But now you've got that skillful.

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Speaker 5: And the cars that I had to drive were rusty,

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Speaker 5: old one hundred year old US that would stall in town.

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Speaker 3: At the roundabout.

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Speaker 5: So it was a bad idea, very trauma inducing.

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Speaker 4: I like it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now I can drive manual.

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Speaker 2: Well, this has been great.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: I feel we're going to have to get you both

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Speaker 2: back in the studio a little later in the year

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Speaker 2: because I like that idea.

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Speaker 3: See what people want to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great, thanks again, gals, Thank you so much.

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