Speaker 1: Welcome to pers number one podcast.
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Speaker 1: to the Jammu and Dylan Show. Today we have a
Speaker 1: very special guest, one of my favorite footballers at all time,
Speaker 1: being a doctor's man myself. It's Hayden Valentine. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks having me.
Speaker 1: So plenty coming up for you. We'll get onto that
Speaker 1: in a bit. Balers is going to be having a fight.
Speaker 1: You'll be fighting Boomer Boomer Harvey, Brent Harvey, games record
Speaker 1: holder for the AFL, and that'll be a great fight
Speaker 1: that's coming up in a couple of weeks. Time. Are
Speaker 1: you excited?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pumped. I was a bit nervous when we threw
Speaker 2: out the challenge to some ex players. No one has
Speaker 2: taking me out, but Boom has jumped on board. He's
Speaker 2: done a bit of training for boxing for a while,
Speaker 2: so he's he's wanted to do one for a while,
Speaker 2: he said, So he's yeah, he's pretty excited.
Speaker 1: That's really exciting and similar like heightened weight, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're fighting at I forget the weight category
Speaker 2: super middle or something like that, so seventy six seventy
Speaker 2: six kilos, but yeah, I lost I lost six kilos
Speaker 2: in my first month of training, so I'll have no
Speaker 2: problem with the way.
Speaker 1: And you're telling us before you started that it was
Speaker 1: just through all the hard work, wasn't it, Because you're
Speaker 1: still eating like you want to.
Speaker 2: I'm eating more really like I've eaten like I'm still
Speaker 2: playing footy. But but yeah, it's just the training. It's
Speaker 2: different type of fitness. I was fit when I was playing,
Speaker 2: but now I've got a similar level of fitness, just
Speaker 2: just different, like, yeah, my tanks a lot better. I
Speaker 2: wish I did more boxing while I was playing Elite.
Speaker 1: That's good because we watched some promo stuff like for
Speaker 1: the fight, and you did do a lot of boxing
Speaker 1: when you were playing, which is good preparation. I guess
Speaker 1: you've been doing it for years. And did you ever
Speaker 1: when you were playing have any like spars, like proper
Speaker 1: spars with people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of times. So the first time we
Speaker 2: did sparring it was my first year and we got
Speaker 2: beat by Melbourne. We're up by thirty points at halftime.
Speaker 2: I wasn't playing.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I think I was injured or maybe suspended. But we
Speaker 2: got rolled Austin Wamiri. He kicked four in the second
Speaker 2: half and beat us. So I had to. Mark Harvey said,
Speaker 2: get your gloves, get your mouth guards down to Springer's
Speaker 2: gym and have a punch on. So and my first
Speaker 2: my opponent was Roger Hayden, who could fairly fairly go.
Speaker 2: So I got in the ring and was throwing a
Speaker 2: few and he hit me with one and I just
Speaker 2: i'd raised a bit, like I've got a bit of
Speaker 2: a tweak, and I raised and started throwing haymakers and
Speaker 2: gave Roger a shiner. I felt a bit bad afterwards,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we had a couple of little sparring sessions
Speaker 2: like that. Also was a punishment more than fitness for
Speaker 2: not playing that we should.
Speaker 1: Which coach had the harshest punishments, I would say Ross
Speaker 1: was harsh and it's not intentionally punishing you.
Speaker 2: But every every Monday post the posts review or sorry,
Speaker 2: the post game review, we'd have a slide, all these
Speaker 2: slides of our trademark what's expected and what's not expected,
Speaker 2: and if you were on the what's not expected, that
Speaker 2: was the biggest punishment because you've let your team down,
Speaker 2: and that's I hated. I love being on the good side,
Speaker 2: like run down. And it was never it was never
Speaker 2: a great mark or a great kick that he highlighted.
Speaker 2: It was the rundown tackles, that putting your head over
Speaker 2: the ball, the blocking for your teammates and stuff that
Speaker 2: I naturally did anyway. I enjoyed the physicality of that.
Speaker 2: I was mostly on the good side, but if there
Speaker 2: was there was one occasion where I I remember, I
Speaker 2: didn't chase out. I thought he was going to kick
Speaker 2: the ball, so I stopped chasing and then he continued
Speaker 2: on and set up a goal and I was showed
Speaker 2: on that and I thought, fuck, I don't want to
Speaker 2: be in this again. So from then on, I just yeah,
Speaker 2: every not from then on, I generally gave everything anyway,
Speaker 2: but I just thought, that's that's it's a great highlight
Speaker 2: for everyone else. I give you best, and yeah, and
Speaker 2: you'll be recognized by your peers that you're doing everything
Speaker 2: you can to win.
Speaker 1: And I guess that stuff would stick in your head too.
Speaker 1: If you've made that mistake, you know not to do
Speaker 1: it again. Yeah, So I guess it is a good thing.
Speaker 1: It seems like Ross's mellowed out a little bit in
Speaker 1: the media and stuff lately. He seems to be a
Speaker 1: bit different. Maybe he's changed his ways, or maybe he's
Speaker 1: just putting on the front.
Speaker 2: I highly doubt that. Yeah, I wouldn't know, but knowing
Speaker 2: Ross very very well, I highly doubt that. But in
Speaker 2: saying in saying that as well, there's a couple that
Speaker 2: I don't have many regrets playing football, Like I always
Speaker 2: play with my heart on my sleeve and that. But
Speaker 2: the couple of regrets I do have are things that
Speaker 2: no one else would have seen and no one would
Speaker 2: have picked up. But another one was in my last season,
Speaker 2: I didn't chase It was just a I didn't chase
Speaker 2: out like I would normally do because we're playing getting
Speaker 2: smashed by g w s and a couple of teammates
Speaker 2: for not pulling their weight as well, I thought, fuck
Speaker 2: what am I doing? And I remember, I remember I
Speaker 2: made the decisions to not chase off. What am I doing?
Speaker 2: Like I can pull your head in, that's not what
Speaker 2: you do. And the other one, I've said this before,
Speaker 2: it's my first season. Maddie Scarlett stuck his knee and
Speaker 2: perhaps back and I didn't go remonstrate, and I thought
Speaker 2: that will never happen again either. And yeah, stuff that
Speaker 2: no one else would have seen, but I remember it
Speaker 2: and not what I want to be remembered for.
Speaker 1: Just want to backtrack to your childhood, your upbringing, tell
Speaker 1: us where it was, what it was about, and yeah
Speaker 1: we'll go from there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I grew up in belt Ivers, went to belt
Speaker 2: I was primary school. My wife also went to belt
Speaker 2: Ivers Primary school. She's a couple of years three years younger.
Speaker 2: But I played footy with her brother. He's a year
Speaker 2: younger and was a small town. He had a mixed
Speaker 2: age group, so you know, thirteens and fourteen it's played together.
Speaker 2: So we played a bit of footy together. Yeah. My dad.
Speaker 2: My dad's a horse trainer. So I started riding truck
Speaker 2: work when I was twelve. Technically I'm meant to, but
Speaker 2: yeah I was. I was riding a bit of work
Speaker 2: when I was twelve, so which put me in good
Speaker 2: stead because it's hard work to control a five and
Speaker 2: a kilo animal. So it built up a good strong
Speaker 2: core for me and built a bit of strength just
Speaker 2: by doing something that I like doing. And first horse
Speaker 2: over galloped. My favorite of a big gray horse is
Speaker 2: beautiful horse and my favorite. And I said, Dad, let
Speaker 2: me gallop him. He he goes, you won't be able to
Speaker 2: hold him, I said, will were meybeing a smart ass.
Speaker 2: So I got on and he's let me go and
Speaker 2: we're going up the hill and he's gone. This horse
Speaker 2: has just bolted on me. I couldn't stop him, and
Speaker 2: all here his dad just steer, just steer us. That's
Speaker 2: all I could do. I was just trying to steer
Speaker 2: this horse. And he got back to the barn and
Speaker 2: he just stopped and walked into the into the tile. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was, it was. It was a hard working upbringing,
Speaker 2: but I think that's it's put me in good stead.
Speaker 2: I enjoy hard work. And yeah, I used to get
Speaker 2: a few kicks in the ass, but I got taugh
Speaker 2: to a good work.
Speaker 1: Okay. I think what about the first time you played footy?
Speaker 1: Were you playing from like six years old? Was it
Speaker 1: something that came a bit later?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kick played be I was. I was
Speaker 2: kicking my pop. My pop was probably the main driver
Speaker 2: for football for me. He loved footy. Mad West Coast supporter,
Speaker 2: I was a West Coast spporter growing up. Unfortunately, I amate.
Speaker 1: To deal before like Jordan Clark was, we had him
Speaker 1: on the show. A lot of people are but once
Speaker 1: you're in the industry.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, they were the only w
Speaker 2: A side, so you know, waffle wasn't really a thing
Speaker 2: then because West Coast had come in, so I was.
Speaker 2: I followed West Coast and yeah, Pop took me to
Speaker 2: most of my footy games. Yeah, I was kick I
Speaker 2: don't remember a whole lot. I remember I got sent
Speaker 2: off ones because I saw the umpire who's one of
Speaker 2: the dads. So you've always been yeah, but I always
Speaker 2: knew I was. I was pretty handy at football. It
Speaker 2: was just my stature that let me down. I was
Speaker 2: always the shortest. That's why were number one because that
Speaker 2: was the smallest jersey. Yeah that is smallest jersey started
Speaker 2: from number one, that went up from there, so that's
Speaker 2: why I was always number one. But you always loved foot.
Speaker 2: He always had a foot in my hand when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and yeah, something I was always hoping
Speaker 2: to Well, I kind of had a choice and Dad
Speaker 2: said to this, if you want to play footy, start
Speaker 2: doing weight, start running, and that if you want to
Speaker 2: be a jockey, stop eating and lose some weight and
Speaker 2: be a jockey. And yeah, luckily I pulled the right
Speaker 2: rain and chose footy.
Speaker 1: At least you're involved in racing now. So although you
Speaker 1: missed out on I guess being a jockey, you were
Speaker 1: still doing track work and stuff.
Speaker 2: Like that prior to that. Yeah, prior to that for
Speaker 2: a few years anyway. And then school wasn't really for me,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, a bit of a shit ied.
Speaker 2: Teachers didn't like me too much. I didn't like them
Speaker 2: too more the authority of it. But I finished school
Speaker 2: year ten, got a ball to maker World or apprenticeship.
Speaker 2: So that's yeah, what I what I did is a trade.
Speaker 2: I had a few odd jobs here and there while
Speaker 2: I was still playing waffle waffle footy coming through the ranks.
Speaker 2: And when I was eighteen, I was thinking I had
Speaker 2: a pretty good eighteen's Carnival, thinking I was going to
Speaker 2: get drafted. Didn't, which was pretty shattering, but I didn't
Speaker 2: bitch about it. I just got on the horse, trained hard,
Speaker 2: had three years of waffle waffle footy, and my third
Speaker 2: year I had a really good year and pretty much
Speaker 2: gave most clubs no option but to give me a go.
Speaker 2: What it takes seventy goals, right to get seventy six?
Speaker 2: You know what, I got seventy six. They marked me
Speaker 2: down in the records or whatever is seventy five, so
Speaker 2: they've ripped me one off there.
Speaker 1: That's not good. Sandover medal that year as well. What
Speaker 1: was it like your time at Peel?
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved the club. You know, They've
Speaker 2: given me so much, give me the opportunities, the people like.
Speaker 2: I'm great mates with a lot of those boys that
Speaker 2: I played with, going over to Canada for one of
Speaker 2: their weddings next month. So it's yeah, I made some
Speaker 2: lifelong friendships, but we weren't very good. But I never
Speaker 2: never recognized that much, so I just didn't. I loved
Speaker 2: it and I wanted to drive the club as much
Speaker 2: as I could and win as many games as I could. Yeah,
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight obviously had a really good season.
Speaker 2: Kicked a lot of goals and played played a good game.
Speaker 2: And Chris Wardman was a big driver of that because
Speaker 2: the two previous years I played midfield and went good.
Speaker 2: Like the year before, I think I finished fourth in
Speaker 2: the Sandover. I was nineteen or something and playing midfield,
Speaker 2: you know, getting plenty of the ball, still kicked thirty
Speaker 2: five or something goals, so I had a relatively good season,
Speaker 2: but still didn't get picked up. So he said go
Speaker 2: play forward and Tranda's small forward, and so I did that,
Speaker 2: and being a midfield I knew how to find the ball.
Speaker 2: And the one thing I worked I used to get
Speaker 2: to training in our earlier and I'd have fifty sixty
Speaker 2: shots because that was one thing that kind of me
Speaker 2: down a bit, was finish. So I just made that,
Speaker 2: just tried to master that as much as I could,
Speaker 2: and it definitely paid off because the first half of
Speaker 2: the year, yeah, I was I was I don't want
Speaker 2: to sound too bigetter, but I was flying.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's elite and getting picked up that year, so
Speaker 1: you knew you had a good year. Was their interest
Speaker 1: that you knew of from other clubs? Did you meet
Speaker 1: with a few clubs? How did that work?
Speaker 2: Yes? I had interviews and so they are all sorts
Speaker 2: of psyched tests and stuff like that. So majority of
Speaker 2: the clubs I had some sort of contact with, but
Speaker 2: the main main interest was from Hawthorne, Port, Adelaide, West
Speaker 2: Coast and Frio. They were the four main ones.
Speaker 1: How interesting it would have been if it was Hawthorne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they were gonna they were going to use
Speaker 2: their first pick that picked seventeen. I think it was
Speaker 2: on me and that would have Yeah, it would have
Speaker 2: been unreal. The only one I wasn't too keen on
Speaker 2: is Adelade. There's a whole lot gone on Adelaide.
Speaker 1: But that deal was actually in Adelaide's sport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one one. You know. I would
Speaker 2: have loved to go to any club, just get on
Speaker 2: a list and you know, give me a chance. Really,
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have honestly, wouldn't have bothered me. But
Speaker 2: if I had a choice, I would have preferred Victoria
Speaker 2: or stay stay in the home state. But West Coast
Speaker 2: said they were going to use pick twenty. They they passed,
Speaker 2: and then who.
Speaker 1: Did they pick instead?
Speaker 2: Tom Swift? Oh, Tom Swift him and then twenty one
Speaker 2: for pick me up. So yeah, I was in Cigart
Speaker 2: Harbor Mark Pink he was. He put a breakfast on
Speaker 2: and had a few friends around and the name got
Speaker 2: called out and it was well, I kind of was
Speaker 2: a bit emotional, but more relieve, like the hard work pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably hid a little bit different considering your
Speaker 1: draft or you missed out when you're was there at
Speaker 1: any point you were thinking maybe it won't happen.
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, like for those first two years
Speaker 2: as a midfielder. But then when I got that niche
Speaker 2: in the forward line and went so well, I thought,
Speaker 2: there's if they if they don't pick me up, then yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something something wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I had a really
Speaker 2: good year. But yeah I was when they called my
Speaker 2: name out. It was but then it was almost an
Speaker 2: instant feeling of right, right now, I'm going to show
Speaker 2: these pricks they should have picked me up three years. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So everyone and I just got to work straight away,
Speaker 2: and I was just very great. I think because I
Speaker 2: was in the real world for a few years. I
Speaker 2: actually had a nine to five job. I had to
Speaker 2: go to training at four point thirty when everyone else
Speaker 2: was there at five point thirty. I had to do
Speaker 2: extra and I I know, yeah, I had to live
Speaker 2: the real real world life for a few years, so
Speaker 2: I appreciated it. I'm not saying that, you know, younger
Speaker 2: draftees don't appreciate it, but I think I just had
Speaker 2: that extra appreciation because yeah, there's no albeit, it's hard
Speaker 2: work and a pre season. I definitely prefer that than
Speaker 2: being in a factory worlding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for sure. Yep. What were your first memories
Speaker 1: of going to Frio? Who were I guess your first
Speaker 1: mates at the club and just some stories around that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was drafted with Nick Suban, Stephen Hill, Michael Walters,
Speaker 2: Greg Broughton.
Speaker 1: Pretty good draft crop.
Speaker 2: We had forteen come in forteen in that season between
Speaker 2: the draft and the rookie list, and I already knew
Speaker 2: Gregory Broughton and we're already kind of kind of mates.
Speaker 2: We had a few sessions after we played Subiaco a
Speaker 2: few times. I knew him quite well, so we had
Speaker 2: a good connection straight away. And the senior players, i'd
Speaker 2: actually played against a few of them in the Waffle,
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like they, you know, I was
Speaker 2: part of their team now, but they still, you know,
Speaker 2: we're like a bit iffy about me. Yeah, if there
Speaker 2: was an AFL player playing in the Waffle, they were
Speaker 2: a target for me and I really went hard at
Speaker 2: him and there's a bit, I suppose a little bit
Speaker 2: sour because I got on top of him sometimes, but
Speaker 2: but yeah, once once I got to training and I
Speaker 2: really showed what I had in training. I trained really
Speaker 2: hard and I think a lot of them appreciated it.
Speaker 2: And Aaron sand Lands he was the other one. Like
Speaker 2: we just bonded pretty quickly. Like I've said before, We've
Speaker 2: got a similar IQ, we go on a similar wavelength,
Speaker 2: so we were pretty tight straight away as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you reckon that helps Sandy country?
Speaker 2: He's a country mount barker.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that helps you get along with him?
Speaker 1: Because there's that I guess real world experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, because he also was drafted as
Speaker 2: a nineteen year old, so he had a year in
Speaker 2: the real world as well. He used to mow lawns
Speaker 2: with his old man before going to training.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even a business around that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a gecko contracting. They're quite Actually drove
Speaker 2: past one of one of them going the Verge Way
Speaker 2: on the way here, so he's you wouldn't him ride on?
Speaker 2: He is literally he doesn't fit too well. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: he's one of the nicest people ever met. But again,
Speaker 2: he appreciates being on a list because he's been in
Speaker 2: the real world and like his work ethic was second
Speaker 2: to none.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who are some of the other best blokes like
Speaker 1: your closest mates from from Footy.
Speaker 2: Clubs Kepler Bradley is one of the funniest men. He
Speaker 2: You know, he should be doing a podcast because he
Speaker 2: just the stories he's got and the way he tells
Speaker 2: his stories, it's just it's just hilarious and he's Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's one. You could just spend a whole afternoon having
Speaker 2: a few beers listening to him to ship and you're
Speaker 2: just you're being stitches laughing because yeah, we would hang
Speaker 2: out quite a bit. We had a couple of trips
Speaker 2: away and yeah, he was he was very good value.
Speaker 2: Zachie Dawson Lee spur favorite saying is shut up Spur
Speaker 2: because he just talks too much. Yeah, Mickey Barlow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty much everyone you went to war with week after week,
Speaker 2: you just had this bond, like certain players that you
Speaker 2: knew were going to give everything for you just had that.
Speaker 2: I just had that instant respect for him, and I
Speaker 2: think you know, they reciprocated that as well with me
Speaker 2: because they knew what they were going to get every week.
Speaker 2: So blokes that you went in and went to war
Speaker 2: with every week. You just you had a respect for
Speaker 2: him and you enjoyed their company off the field because
Speaker 2: you fought so hard on the footy field. When you
Speaker 2: go and let your hair down and have a beer,
Speaker 2: you like hanging out with them for sure.
Speaker 3: Who do you think your most underrated teammate on field
Speaker 3: that you played with your career.
Speaker 2: He might not like me saying he's underrated, but David Munday,
Speaker 2: he was such a good player, Like I think you
Speaker 2: only had one all Australian, where in my eyes, he's
Speaker 2: as good as a Scott Pendlebury. Smooth mover, beautiful kick,
Speaker 2: beautiful decision maker. Everything they look, the way they see
Speaker 2: the game is very similar, Like they're very similar players.
Speaker 2: Like they're both actually really slow. They can't run very fast,
Speaker 2: but time slows down for him on.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, it looks like that, doesn't I completely agree.
Speaker 2: People are running past pendles or day of Monday and
Speaker 2: they're just running past them and they're just it's like
Speaker 2: finding so much space. Yeah, and they were just Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was one that albeit one of you best in
Speaker 2: Ferris and that he's just I think he should be
Speaker 2: right up there with some of the best midfielders going.
Speaker 1: Around hundred percent. I feel like that too. His recognition
Speaker 1: kind of only came late, Like he did get a
Speaker 1: lot of recognition towards the back end of his career,
Speaker 1: but like you said, only the one all Australian when.
Speaker 2: He was a bit of a slow start, Like it
Speaker 2: took him a few years to really get his niche
Speaker 2: in the game. But yes, he's a player you used
Speaker 2: to love leading out because you just knew that's where
Speaker 2: it was going to bee.
Speaker 1: Do you who are your favorite players in the competition?
Speaker 1: Like do you watch much footy now or not as much?
Speaker 2: I watched the game frustrates me nowt of it because
Speaker 2: they've taken a lot of what I enjoyed out of it.
Speaker 1: I was actually gonna ask you that it's written down here,
Speaker 1: like what are the aspects? Like Obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: former players don't like the way the game's going because
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that you like to do, yeah,
Speaker 1: is being taken out. So what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, I just yeah, I can't understand it. The game
Speaker 2: wasn't broken, don't try and fix it. I fully understand,
Speaker 2: Like you've got to try and protect the head and
Speaker 2: concussions and stuff like that, but I think they've gone
Speaker 2: too far with it. And even the way the umpires umpire,
Speaker 2: it's so different week after week. If it was consistent,
Speaker 2: and if it was consistent every week with every umpire, yep,
Speaker 2: no worries because you know what to expect. But one
Speaker 2: week there's a there's a push in the back mark
Speaker 2: this way, and then the following week is marked this way,
Speaker 2: So well, what the fuck what are we doing? We
Speaker 2: had no one of the players and the fans are
Speaker 2: getting frustrated because it's changing every week. So consistency is
Speaker 2: the main thing, particularly particularly for the players, because we're
Speaker 2: the one's out there apparently making the mistakes. So give us,
Speaker 2: give us a baseline, don't fucking stick to it, because
Speaker 2: that that's my one real piss off is the inconsistency.
Speaker 3: Is it just as confusing for players sometimes as it
Speaker 3: is for us as fans watching the game, like with
Speaker 3: decisions that are made and conversations after that around the club. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you play a game and like the umpires, I've never
Speaker 3: seen an umpire change his mind, which is fine, But
Speaker 3: like I said, consistency because one week you see, oh
Speaker 3: that was all right, Like the pushing the back. One
Speaker 3: is a good example because they've said you can hold
Speaker 3: your ground.
Speaker 2: Now you can. You can use your hands to hold
Speaker 2: your ground. I think it was in the Faro game
Speaker 2: last week a player did that and he didn't fully
Speaker 2: push him, he just held him and then and hands
Speaker 2: in the back. So for the last whatever I can remember,
Speaker 2: you were allowed to hold your ground. So that's that's
Speaker 2: the one, my one. Yeah, big peeven like this new
Speaker 2: tunneling thing again, you know if it's there, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if you got off or not. Toby Green,
Speaker 2: it got dombe to tunneling. It's like he's literally come
Speaker 2: in to try and intercept the ball his turn. He's
Speaker 2: about to get killed. He's protecting himself, and he got off.
Speaker 2: I think I offered a few weeks for it. So
Speaker 2: how does that happen?
Speaker 1: Who are some of your favorite players? I guess from
Speaker 1: other teams that you played against, And also I want
Speaker 1: to know your toughest opponent, whether they were playing directly
Speaker 1: on you or if they were just you know, a
Speaker 1: great midfield or something.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris jard was like an idol growing up. He's
Speaker 2: someone I loved love watching him, Like Benny cousins Ker.
Speaker 2: When those boys run around, it was. It was good
Speaker 2: to watch. And my second game we played is when
Speaker 2: he moved to Carlton. We played against Carlton. I chase
Speaker 2: him down and and tackled him.
Speaker 1: Surreal mate.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it was pretty early in the game too,
Speaker 2: and I helped him up and I never like the opposition.
Speaker 1: Is the only time he ever didn't.
Speaker 2: I've helped him up and he's jogged off, got him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was That was pretty cool
Speaker 2: playing against Juddy hardest opponent actually both Adelaid boys, Graham
Speaker 2: john Cock. He was just an unreal player. He'd run off.
Speaker 2: This is when the defense defenders would actually run off
Speaker 2: and take the game on rather than just trying to
Speaker 2: stop you. So remember one of the first games I
Speaker 2: played against so he kicked two goals and I was
Speaker 2: meant to be the forward that's not going to look
Speaker 2: good in the review. And then Luke Smith. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure that Luke Smith. Yeah, he was. He was just
Speaker 2: he was the opposite. He was a lockdown. He didn't
Speaker 2: care if he didn't get a kick as long as
Speaker 2: you didn't get a kick, and he used to struggle
Speaker 2: to get it, get any separation from him. They were
Speaker 2: both real tough and the best players, Like this is
Speaker 2: the ones that everyone though Gary Abler, It's just what
Speaker 2: he did at Gold Coast is just unreal because they were,
Speaker 2: let's be honest, they were pretty ordinary. And he's won
Speaker 2: a Brownlow. I remember I line him up from thirty
Speaker 2: meters away one day, came in, tried to steamroll him,
Speaker 2: and he just flicked me off and went kick a goal.
Speaker 2: In life, I was actually winded. I had it like
Speaker 2: just the core, the power hit that man has was
Speaker 2: just phenomenal. Same as Dangerfield, same thing. I've come in
Speaker 2: off the square, sent a square bounce, gone to tackle
Speaker 2: him and I've hit him with everything I got and
Speaker 2: he just stood there. I'm like hanging on to one
Speaker 2: leg and he's just got the handb all the way
Speaker 2: and then he stook off. I'm like, just yeah, some
Speaker 2: some's just built different. And those two stand out just
Speaker 2: for their just their power that they had.
Speaker 1: What about like Prime nat five? Was he unreal at training?
Speaker 1: Was he just as good in training as he was
Speaker 1: in games?
Speaker 2: Not? Not really like because he had to manage his
Speaker 2: body quite a bit, because because he was so powerful.
Speaker 2: That was kind of his downfall too, like he would
Speaker 2: he had to really manage his body so he was
Speaker 2: ready for games. But every now and then he do
Speaker 2: something at training is like Jesus. That was pretty hands
Speaker 2: on our team. He was his phenomenal athlete. And then
Speaker 2: I reckon, I think his best season was fourteen when
Speaker 2: he was like he'd roll off around half back and
Speaker 2: take those big intercept marks in defense and it's like
Speaker 2: he was like a he was like a secret weapon
Speaker 2: where he'd stop, stop the goals, stop that forward thrust
Speaker 2: the opposition passed it off and then we'd go bang,
Speaker 2: go forward. So that was if he was a suspended
Speaker 2: I definitely think he would have on the round like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good season for you too, wasn't
Speaker 3: it fourteen all Australian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's and I reckon that was our team's
Speaker 2: best season as well. Later in that year, injuries really
Speaker 2: ravished us, you know, looping Fahl and john O pav
Speaker 2: I broke my draw in the final. Like it was.
Speaker 2: Injuries took a toll towards the back half that year,
Speaker 2: but we were humming, like we just we gelled together
Speaker 2: so well. I think the sting from the year before
Speaker 2: losing the Grand Final really urged us along and yeah,
Speaker 2: fourteen we were, Yeah, we were, we were rocketing.
Speaker 1: Do you still feel the sting from the Grand Final
Speaker 1: now or is it kind of the longer you've had
Speaker 1: to think about it, you're just like, it's footy still stings. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an opportunity missed. I think Ross had
Speaker 2: a stat set we had seventeen marks inside fifty and
Speaker 2: if you look at every game that season, that stat
Speaker 2: wins every game. Yeah, it was like there was an
Speaker 2: opportunity miss.
Speaker 1: Did he bring that to you at the start of
Speaker 1: the fourteen season like that.
Speaker 2: Start, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. That was like
Speaker 2: the opening opening meeting. You've said, you know things that
Speaker 2: let us down, and that was that was one of them.
Speaker 2: That's the one that sticks out to me because in
Speaker 2: a forward, yeah, seventeen marks should be you know, even
Speaker 2: if you're kicking at fifty percent, that should be at
Speaker 2: least eight.
Speaker 1: Or nine goals.
Speaker 2: But as disappointing as it was losing, we we busted
Speaker 2: our ass up. There was It wasn't a it wasn't
Speaker 2: a lack of effort. It was some say luck, some
Speaker 2: might say the win, but It's just we didn't make
Speaker 2: the most for opportunities. And yeah, it definitely wasn't through
Speaker 2: lack of effort, because you could see how hard we
Speaker 2: were going. We kind of got on top in certain
Speaker 2: patches of the game, but we never got out our
Speaker 2: flow going. If we did, I think it could have
Speaker 2: been a different story. But insane that Hooks were a
Speaker 2: penmenal team. They win the next two as well, by
Speaker 2: ten twelve goals or something in both those games. So
Speaker 2: we lost the club fourteen or fifteen points that day
Speaker 2: and to a superstar team where we never really got
Speaker 2: flying how we should have.
Speaker 3: What was it like being at the club during that time?
Speaker 3: So thirteen fourteen, fifteen Grand Final, pre limbs competing finish top.
Speaker 3: I think in fifteen, what was the energy like around
Speaker 3: the club?
Speaker 2: Un Confidence, unreal, unreal? It was You'd walk out on
Speaker 2: the ground and you surrounded by Pavilech, Sandalands, File and Johnson.
Speaker 2: Five Monday, it was like good luck to the opposite.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 2: That was one thing I remember. I'd look at the
Speaker 2: opposition and I think, these boys are going to have
Speaker 2: to be on their game to be today. And that
Speaker 2: was every week. I didn't matter who And I actually
Speaker 2: enjoyed playing against the best teams, which was it was
Speaker 2: the Geelongs, it was the Hawks, it was those top
Speaker 2: I love playing against them. They're the best, the real tests. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if we want to be the best, that's who we've
Speaker 2: got a beat. So I really I'd much rather play
Speaker 2: top seed than you have a kicker bag against the
Speaker 2: bottom doellers. Yeah, I'd much rather go against the big
Speaker 2: dogs for sure.
Speaker 1: I just want to quickly go back to twenty eleven
Speaker 1: Goal of the Year. Did you get anything for that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I thought I got a car.
Speaker 1: Well that was the general assumption.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got a TV, a couple of cameras
Speaker 2: and surround sound package and I got a medal last year.
Speaker 2: So you had a mask for it thirteen years later? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I was. I was booked in for surgery
Speaker 2: or something. I couldn't go to the actual present the
Speaker 2: All Australian presentation where they present it, and five he
Speaker 2: went and he collected it for me, and then he
Speaker 2: lost it. And then I got a message from from
Speaker 2: Freeze at the at AFL house saying did you ever
Speaker 2: get your medal from Goal of the Year? I said, nah,
Speaker 2: sent me a photo of it. She said, it's been
Speaker 2: in storage for the last twelve years. So she sends
Speaker 2: it over and yeah, and he got un literally got
Speaker 2: it last year and my daughter took it straight away
Speaker 2: and it's on her bedside table.
Speaker 1: That's unreal. I you want to quickly talk about your family.
Speaker 1: You've got a few kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, three girls, so in a bit of trouble. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the oldest is a horse fiend, absolutely loves it. The
Speaker 2: middle one gymnastics. She's very, very good at gymnastics. She
Speaker 2: does like a on the beam does his backflip into
Speaker 2: another backflip to land and that I do a hamsh.
Speaker 1: I do a hamsh just looking at it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's a great gymnast, great athlete. I'm never
Speaker 2: in courage any of them to do football, but if
Speaker 2: she did football, we'd be pretty happy because she dominated
Speaker 2: her reckon.
Speaker 1: How good is it as well? So to interrupt, but
Speaker 1: with the afl W becoming like a lot.
Speaker 2: Better, yeah, Well, the girls never really had a pathway.
Speaker 2: They got to under twelve or whatever it was, and
Speaker 2: there was nothing else for them. And now the girls
Speaker 2: have a pathway where they could could actually make a
Speaker 2: career out if that's what they want to do. So yeah,
Speaker 2: like I said, I've never encouraged it, but if that's
Speaker 2: what they want to do, i'd yeah, support them all
Speaker 2: the way. Sorry. The oldest did play one season football
Speaker 2: got really good, and then she broke her arm falling
Speaker 2: off a horse, so she said, I don't play football anymore,
Speaker 2: so you're probably riding a horse. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 2: want to hurt myself playing football, so I can't ride
Speaker 2: more horses. So that's their priority is the horses. And
Speaker 2: the youngest she does play footy. I was kick she
Speaker 2: loves it. Doesn't like the cold mornings, but she loves
Speaker 2: footy and singing like I can barely sing the national anthem,
Speaker 2: and she's she wants to bust out all these songs.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're all very different, very unique, those three.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Speaker 1: I think that's good that they're all unique. Be a
Speaker 1: bit boring if.
Speaker 2: They it's not good on the afternoon like activity runs.
Speaker 2: We got horse riding, gymnastics and singing. It's like three
Speaker 2: different drop off, three different pickups. So yeah, the taxi
Speaker 2: gets a fair work out.
Speaker 1: For sure. I just wanted to ask this because for me,
Speaker 1: you were one of my favorite players. For others you
Speaker 1: were like a pest or a hated player almost. How
Speaker 1: did that feel being on the receiving end of that?
Speaker 1: Did it actually have a toll on you? Or did
Speaker 1: it spur you on?
Speaker 2: Kind of spurred me on a bit, because if I
Speaker 2: was pissing people off, clearly I was doing my job
Speaker 2: pretty well. But one other thing, I knew I could
Speaker 2: back up what I was saying and doing as well.
Speaker 2: Like I knew I could kick a goal and let
Speaker 2: everyone know about it. And the other thing, if the
Speaker 2: pressure and all the hate was directed at me, my
Speaker 2: teammates got a bit of a free run out of
Speaker 2: as well I could, and I could take the heat.
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed it and thrived off it, Like I remember.
Speaker 2: I remember we played a game against Carlton and I
Speaker 2: had a good kick four or five goals and got
Speaker 2: stuck in the cut and all the crowd like they
Speaker 2: yelled some funny and I was just boys going right,
Speaker 2: like just trying to wind them up a bit. But
Speaker 2: and the same breath I've never had. Like generally people
Speaker 2: will say I couldn't stand you, but I wish you
Speaker 2: on my team because they kind of I could see.
Speaker 1: What I could like the ultimate compliment, is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, like you know, you're a prick,
Speaker 2: but was she played for us? So it is it
Speaker 2: was a compliment. And yeah, and there's lots of keyboard
Speaker 2: where he's out there like to say things online, but
Speaker 2: no one has ever said anything to me in the streets.
Speaker 1: So yeah, either they're funny, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Either their pansies or or maybe there might be an
Speaker 2: element of respect there as well.
Speaker 1: For sure. I just wanted to also talk about this
Speaker 1: because I vividly remember when Andy Brayshaw got got hit
Speaker 1: by gaff and then you like you targeted gaff because
Speaker 1: obviously there needs to be a response from the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are your memories around that that day?
Speaker 2: I was on the bench actually when it happened, and
Speaker 2: Lockie Neil said Gash has punched Andy, and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I played International Rules with Gaffy and he's actually the
Speaker 2: most quietest down Look. I don't think you know, you
Speaker 2: see the punch itself, Like he doesn't even know how
Speaker 2: to throw a punch. So the fact that he said
Speaker 2: he punched him, like, no, and I've seen the refarm.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think he actually meant to
Speaker 2: get him in the face. I think he went there,
Speaker 2: but you know, he still broke his jaw.
Speaker 1: There was like a level of changes. Yea, he was
Speaker 1: coming down.
Speaker 2: I think it was just a bit unlucky. But it
Speaker 2: still happened.
Speaker 1: And did that make you like I thought, read?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was our best first year player. Yeah gone,
Speaker 2: and he's been punched in the face and broken jaw.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I saw red and I was out for blood.
Speaker 2: And the halftime or three quarter time siren went, and
Speaker 2: as we're going back out, I asked Ross, can I
Speaker 2: get this blow? And I know Ross thought about it.
Speaker 2: He wanted to say yes. He said no, I don't,
Speaker 2: just don't do anything, and I didn't listen. I went
Speaker 2: first sen square bounds. He's the balls just bobbled out
Speaker 2: and Gaff's coming for it, and I just let up
Speaker 2: the blined it and I've come in and with a
Speaker 2: big swing and you see me come and he turned.
Speaker 2: Instead of getting him where I wanted to, I got
Speaker 2: his hip and then my thumb still just pops out
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Show the camera. Geez bendy.
Speaker 2: I didn't even like because the adrenaline was pumping a
Speaker 2: big Meloy starts and we had a big It wasn't
Speaker 2: a punch on, but it was pretty close. And anyway,
Speaker 2: the trainers come over and give me a drink. I've
Speaker 2: gone to square and it wouldn't squeeze. It's because it
Speaker 2: was just flopping around, so I had to get it
Speaker 2: strapped up. Finished the game and had a few more
Speaker 2: cracks at him, but it felt like nothing. Really, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: You don't want to get suspended and let the team
Speaker 2: down again, but you want to make a point of
Speaker 2: you know, we're not coppying that shit. So it wasn't
Speaker 2: the demo derby I was hoping for, but I kind
Speaker 2: of wish it was.
Speaker 1: I also, just before we get into the racing part
Speaker 1: of your life, I just wanted to ask about international
Speaker 1: rules because that's something that's intrigued to the both of
Speaker 1: us for so many years. What was that experience like
Speaker 1: playing for Australia?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Unreal? Unreal? Are You're flying over with the best
Speaker 2: players in the AFL, like the best I think twenty
Speaker 2: five went over, yea, twenty four to twenty five went
Speaker 2: over and you spend two weeks together. You have a week.
Speaker 2: We actually it was we were pretty lucky. We had
Speaker 2: a week training camp in New York and then we
Speaker 2: trained at the Jets facility in the just phenomenal, phenomenal setup,
Speaker 2: and then flew across the island for another week there
Speaker 2: with the game in the last couple of days, and
Speaker 2: then me and my wife stayed for an extra week.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're playing with the best players, you know.
Speaker 1: We had.
Speaker 2: Alisa Clarkson was the coach. Chris Scott and Ross Lyne
Speaker 2: were the assistant coaches. That pretty decent lineup of coaches.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing about the coaches is those three
Speaker 2: in particular were so similar in the way they saw
Speaker 2: the game. They just had different terminologies to different things,
Speaker 2: but they they just saw it the same and coach
Speaker 2: very similar, just with different ways of saying things and
Speaker 2: getting getting their point through. But yeah, the actual game itself,
Speaker 2: it was three degrees. It was so fucking cold. It
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. When you're out there playing, it was all
Speaker 2: right because we had like long sleevers and we run around.
Speaker 2: It was fine. You get off the ground, they give
Speaker 2: you this heated jacket and they went to give I
Speaker 2: said no, no, I'm all good, and then about a minute
Speaker 2: later bring that jacket over because it was so cold.
Speaker 2: The hard thing was trying to direct the ball because
Speaker 2: it's a round ball, so you can direct it footy
Speaker 2: because it's oval shaped, but a soccer ball you have
Speaker 2: to get a bit of a spin on it so
Speaker 2: curves the way you want it to. And that was, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a bit of a work on that to
Speaker 2: try to get the right curve. There was one play
Speaker 2: I've marked it kind of on the on the it's
Speaker 2: a rectangle shaped ground, so kind of on the forward
Speaker 2: flank type thing. I wheeled around and we had a
Speaker 2: free player and I've like gone to do what I
Speaker 2: would normally do like a real spear pass, because I
Speaker 2: didn't put any spin on it. It's spun the other
Speaker 2: way and it's gone and went the opposite direction. So yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to get the right spin on the ball was
Speaker 2: a bit of a challenge that. Yeah, it was an
Speaker 2: unreal experienced something something I'll never get.
Speaker 1: Some of the Irish players pretty good athletes, but they're
Speaker 1: built a bit different.
Speaker 2: They are. They're a lot leaner, a lot leaner, very fast,
Speaker 2: but they don't tackle in their game. They kind of
Speaker 2: scrag and bump, but they don't act have full tackle,
Speaker 2: so we had a bit of an advantage in chase downs.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot of chase down tack because they're
Speaker 2: not expecting it. It's not natural for them. But I
Speaker 2: remember the me and Eddie Betts were the small forwards
Speaker 2: in the game, and we knew that one of the bloke,
Speaker 2: one of the small defenders, was a MMA fighter. He
Speaker 2: trained with like Connor McGregor and those guys. And okay,
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't come to last a bit to say
Speaker 2: too much for the game, and of course he lined
Speaker 2: up with me for the first part, but yeah, and
Speaker 2: then afterwards they took the Irish boys, took us out
Speaker 2: for a night on the night on the town and god,
Speaker 2: these boys can.
Speaker 1: Must have been a good night. They can put some
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I just wanted to get onto your racing.
Speaker 1: So you are a race trainer and obviously you said
Speaker 1: it runs in the family. Your dad was doing this
Speaker 1: stuff too. Give us, give the listeners because like not
Speaker 1: all of them love racing, but just let them know
Speaker 1: what you're about and what you do and what horse
Speaker 1: training is about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I bought my first horse while I was
Speaker 2: still playing mankind and he was kind of like my
Speaker 2: little get away from footycause everyone's got something to distract
Speaker 2: them from footy because it's a big commitment footy, so
Speaker 2: you need something just to wind down a bit, and
Speaker 2: he was my little wind down and a few of
Speaker 2: the few of the boys got involved, a couple of
Speaker 2: other mates got involved, and he was a great little
Speaker 2: horse thing. He ended up with eight races and picked
Speaker 2: up picked up some good money from him, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I got the bug again. And I was always going
Speaker 2: to train a few just because I love it and
Speaker 2: keep an interest, and got eighteen at the moment, so
Speaker 2: it's a fair, fair team. And yeah, it's just something
Speaker 2: that is in the blood and love doing it. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of like you get a lot of adrenaline
Speaker 2: from playing footy, but it's over a two hour period,
Speaker 2: where with the race, you know, condensed into like two
Speaker 2: minutes max. So yeah, the adrenaline rush you get when
Speaker 2: your horse comes around the bend and starts to let
Speaker 2: down and goes past first, it's yeah, it must be crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no better feeling. And also the bill like eight
Speaker 2: week pre season for him and you have a trial
Speaker 2: that's like your preseason game, pre season game into a
Speaker 2: into your first race. It's the build up and then
Speaker 2: when they win, Yeah, it's just a great feeling. And
Speaker 2: then to see the owners like absolutely love it and
Speaker 2: get on they've got winners bars now, so have you
Speaker 2: win a race, you're on the bar and you get
Speaker 2: until the next winner comes in.
Speaker 1: So this is something we've discussed because we loved going
Speaker 1: to the races.
Speaker 2: Such a good day it.
Speaker 1: Is men the last couple of years we've gotten into it,
Speaker 1: and like my family has always been involved in racing
Speaker 1: in some capacity, but I didn't really grow up around horses,
Speaker 1: Like we live on property, but we had horses there
Speaker 1: that weren't race horses or anything, So I didn't know
Speaker 1: too much about it. And then just through getting closer
Speaker 1: with Dad in that regard, I've learnt so much and
Speaker 1: then taken the boys along to Ascot and we'll even
Speaker 1: go to Belmont a little bit in the winter. But
Speaker 1: it's just been great and like it's a good day,
Speaker 1: like as a punter, but also the thrill, like you said,
Speaker 1: you might not even have any horse in the race,
Speaker 1: but you the thrill when you hear the horses come
Speaker 1: around the bend. It's just it's something unbelievable. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've been involved in racing my whole life, and
Speaker 2: even so Belmont you can actually stand like two hundred
Speaker 2: meter mark and you can hear them coming. You hear
Speaker 2: the jockey scream and should I get that bit extra
Speaker 2: out of their horse? Like even I get goosebumps listening
Speaker 2: to that. Like it's just, yeah, it's an unreal feeling.
Speaker 2: Unless you're in it and love it, you can't really
Speaker 2: understand it. But if you do want to get into it,
Speaker 2: like I guarantee you, if you have a winner, there'll
Speaker 2: be no better feeling.
Speaker 1: A couple questions sent in from my dad, Actually, who
Speaker 1: is your favorite jockey in Australia at the moment. It
Speaker 1: doesn't just have to be Perth just in general.
Speaker 2: Tash faith for the moment. She had a winner for
Speaker 2: me last week, so she's my favorite. Everyone talks about
Speaker 2: how good Pike he is, like he was he rode
Speaker 2: a couple of winners yesterday and he just doesn't panic.
Speaker 2: There was a horse that got you know, three or
Speaker 2: four lengths out in front of him leading the race.
Speaker 2: He just he just knew he had plenty of horse
Speaker 2: left and waited and waited, waited two hundred, gave a
Speaker 2: little kick and it just went past. Like when you
Speaker 2: watch a wizard as they call him at work. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Our favorite jockey is Lucy Fiori at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she rides a bit for me too. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: gone well.
Speaker 3: She saved the day for us once the last race
Speaker 3: was the feeling was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But her season, this race season has been unreal, Like
Speaker 1: she's placing in a lot of races and seems to
Speaker 1: be doing really well. So you've worked a bit with her.
Speaker 1: What was she like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a good, very good horse person. Like her family. Again,
Speaker 2: her family, the Warwicks, they've they've been in racing forever,
Speaker 2: so she was brought up around horses, so she's always
Speaker 2: had that good core of riding in her. And she
Speaker 2: I think Louis started riding a lot more race She's
Speaker 2: going to Calgooley and riding in all these races, and
Speaker 2: I sluck anything. The more you do, the more in
Speaker 2: tune you are. And now she's now she's flying, riding
Speaker 2: in I think she wrote five last couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: At Ascot, Like that's that's like, that's like kicking a
Speaker 2: bag six or seven really if you ride in five winners.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's she's flying, but she's put the hard
Speaker 2: work in to get to there, so well deserved. And
Speaker 2: her husband he just got his license a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago and trained a couple of winners, so now
Speaker 2: they've got a They've got a good little set up
Speaker 2: down there.
Speaker 1: Who are some of your other favorite Perth jockeys are
Speaker 1: the ones that you click with and work with best
Speaker 1: in Perth.
Speaker 2: Jared Noski He's another one I used quite a bit.
Speaker 2: He's he so he rode our Perth Cup winner talent
Speaker 2: show and I think he only just finished his apprenticeship
Speaker 2: when he wrote that, like he was quite young. And yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's a very good jock. I use him as
Speaker 2: much as I can. Stevie Partner he's another one. He
Speaker 2: rides a bit for me. Yeah that Patty Carve Hero
Speaker 2: one for me yesterday. But yeah, it's certain horses respond
Speaker 2: to certain people as well. Like Lucy, she rode Sentimental Queens.
Speaker 2: She's probably my best horse. He rode her a lot
Speaker 2: and really responded to Lucy's same as Planet Cash wrote
Speaker 2: he won. He won quite a bit of money as well,
Speaker 2: Like certain horses respond to certain jockeys at the same time,
Speaker 2: where yeah, just about every horse responds to Pikey. That's
Speaker 2: why he's what he is who he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you say pike is the best in w.
Speaker 2: A, probably the best in Australia to be honest, But
Speaker 2: for his strike rate, you know, I know they talk
Speaker 2: about Jmack and guys like that and how and I
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, Chmack's super Stowe himself. But whatever,
Speaker 2: stupid number of group ones he's one. It's ridiculous. But
Speaker 2: you know, Pikey the two hundred and forty six winners
Speaker 2: in a season like that's yeah, that's just unbelievable. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's all bit. He gets a lot of the better horses.
Speaker 1: But you get that through being good though, But.
Speaker 2: Then it's another thing to get the best horse, another
Speaker 2: thing to get it to win. Generally, he gets them
Speaker 2: to win. Bob Peters, he's probably the biggest owner breeder
Speaker 2: in w A. He said to me once he goes
Speaker 2: all jockeys make mistakes, William just makes less.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, that's actually a pretty good point,
Speaker 2: William makes less.
Speaker 1: What about the best horses that you have that you're
Speaker 1: training at the moment, like one's to look out for.
Speaker 2: So Countess Kenna, she's the one that won last week.
Speaker 2: She's she's been a late matures. Your four year old now,
Speaker 2: had a few little issues, had a little chip in
Speaker 2: her knee that we had taken out a while ago.
Speaker 2: But she won a race all bits only a made Pinjarra.
Speaker 2: The way she won her was, yeah, pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 2: So I reckon she's one that's going to go good.
Speaker 2: I can't up Queen shern third yesterday. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 2: to put her to a fourteen next start. She's she's going.
Speaker 1: To be good.
Speaker 2: She was also ever board. Actually so really funny that
Speaker 2: the cheap ones can also win races. And I got
Speaker 2: a little two year old Philly painted red. She's she trilled.
Speaker 2: She's had two trials time in one, both of them
Speaker 2: sorry second and the first one first and the second one.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she's going to be pretty special. She's a
Speaker 2: little bit sore today, little bit shinsaw, but give her
Speaker 2: a month often I think she'll be winning some races soon, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Beautiful And do you have a message for those who
Speaker 1: like don't agree with racing or something, because we've had
Speaker 1: listeners go, oh, why are you talking about that.
Speaker 3: We talk about it a lot because we love going out.
Speaker 3: But there's obviously the pushback that you get.
Speaker 1: There's also misconceptions. So can you just give a little
Speaker 1: bit on that, like what your thoughts on like the
Speaker 1: good parts of the industry and what is misconstrued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the way I'd see it, horses my horses, definitely,
Speaker 2: and I know the horses in the industry. I treated
Speaker 2: better than some people are treated. They get three square
Speaker 2: meals a day, they get the ship picked up for them,
Speaker 2: they get the clean water. Yeah, they go in the
Speaker 2: paddick for an hour a day, pick on grass. They're
Speaker 2: very massage physio. If they're sick, they get treatment, if
Speaker 2: they're sore, they get treatment. They are very well looked
Speaker 2: after because in our best interest, we want to win races.
Speaker 2: So the better we look after them, the better they're
Speaker 2: going to perform. And they're athletes, like they're athletes. Their bread,
Speaker 2: their bread, their bread for a job, and their job
Speaker 2: is to run fast. And we want them all to
Speaker 2: run fast. Not all of them do, but we retired
Speaker 2: one not long ago. My daughter has him now and
Speaker 2: he's a show jumper. He's the prettiest show jumper you'll
Speaker 2: ever see. And he's fat as a house and loving
Speaker 2: life in the paddock and a horse that's sound as
Speaker 2: a nice nature. We'll live a long, happy life. They live,
Speaker 2: I'm not I can't remember all the numbers, but they
Speaker 2: live I think double the double the years than if
Speaker 2: they're out in the wild because they're so well looked after.
Speaker 2: And then also like there's always going to be it
Speaker 2: falls and injuries, but it is, it's part of the game.
Speaker 2: It is part of it. And albeit they're minimized, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of safety safety things that tracks need to
Speaker 2: tick off. If there is an issue race the called
Speaker 2: off straight away, like if there's an issue with the track,
Speaker 2: there's lightning, if there's any even heat, yeah, heat heat,
Speaker 2: and I agree with it, Like you don't want to
Speaker 2: put because you want your horse to be good for
Speaker 2: the next race if they're going to race in forty
Speaker 2: degree heat and you fry them and they're no good
Speaker 2: for a month, and it's no good for us either.
Speaker 2: So you want to look after the horse because in
Speaker 2: their best interest for them to go again, and like you,
Speaker 2: if you have a horse that doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I think the best example would be Chataqua, my favorite horse,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite horses. He was a superstar. I've
Speaker 2: never seen a horse make up ground like that thing.
Speaker 2: And then he just decided, I don't do this anymore,
Speaker 2: stop jumping out the barriers. Ye bank, no mate, Now
Speaker 2: he's the same. He's a champion hack that just goes
Speaker 2: around and hacking, looks pretty and wins all these ribbons now,
Speaker 2: not races and living a good life. So if someone
Speaker 2: kicked up a stink about it, I'd say, go to
Speaker 2: a stable, see how well looked after these horses are,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't change his mind. And I know I
Speaker 2: look after my athletes very well looked after.
Speaker 1: And I saw a few of the Frio boys part
Speaker 1: owners or they were in Mankind's. Are they any of
Speaker 1: the three boys on anything now or ex players?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So Alex Pierce, he's in playing god Gelding. We
Speaker 2: bought last year Locky nils in on that actually got
Speaker 2: your position in on one too. The Wardman Boys Chris Wardon,
Speaker 2: Chris Wardman being my old coach and he's young boat.
Speaker 2: They jumped on board. They got a share in that
Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, we've got a fair mix of
Speaker 2: ex players in now current players.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about your fight. You know we tease
Speaker 1: it to the listeners before you're fighting Brent Harvey. I
Speaker 1: just want to go through a few notes here. It's
Speaker 1: a new boxing promotion. The only other one is at
Speaker 1: Metro City in Perth, Premiere fight Night. We've got it's
Speaker 1: a pro am so you've got professionals, you've got amateurs.
Speaker 1: A show like this hasn't been done in eight years.
Speaker 1: Obviously you're fighting Brent Harvey, a former North Melbourne player.
Speaker 1: Seven pro fights, nine elite amateur fights. It's going to
Speaker 1: be elite. We've got even got Shadow the Rapper, he's
Speaker 1: doing some work there. And obviously it's for a good cause.
Speaker 1: So it's for mental health. Do you want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the cause and then we'll go
Speaker 1: into the fight. You'll lead up stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the charity that will be fundraising for is
Speaker 2: you're at a Hero for mental Health. So you know
Speaker 2: it's selfishly. I got into it because give me a
Speaker 2: good excuse to get fit again, get into some sort
Speaker 2: of shape. But at the same time, we're raising some
Speaker 2: money for a very good cause, and even in the AFL,
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of stories that going on recently
Speaker 2: that it's what really needed in the community, not just abroad,
Speaker 2: but in the AFL as well. So yes, I'm pumped
Speaker 2: to be involved. When I first agreed to it, I said,
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I'll raise some money for the charity,
Speaker 2: and a couple of weeks later, I got the full
Speaker 2: Rundown RAC six than Jesus that big. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: super excited now and training has been solid, but I'm
Speaker 2: feeling like I'm in pretty good shape.
Speaker 1: Only a couple of weeks out. Now, what are you
Speaker 1: going to do to him?
Speaker 2: I said this on a other podcast the other day.
Speaker 2: I've pre booked him the ambulance for a round two,
Speaker 2: so that was a little bit of cheap for it.
Speaker 2: But now he's been training pretty hard as well. He's
Speaker 2: trained for a while in not so much sparring for
Speaker 2: a fight, but just just for fitness really, So he
Speaker 2: seems like he can throw a few. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: know I've got pretty good hands.
Speaker 1: As well, throwing better. Yeah, like I said, you've been
Speaker 1: training for a long time and having that like concentrated time.
Speaker 1: Now are you putting your all into it? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: must be good.
Speaker 2: I've built up a good base early like doing that.
Speaker 2: I trained down in Mandra fighter fit down a Mandra
Speaker 2: and they they're renowned for their their fitness like they
Speaker 2: they go the whole way like their their animals. And
Speaker 2: it actually gave me an appreciation for what, you know,
Speaker 2: just the amateur fighters do to get up for a fight, Like, God,
Speaker 2: they trained so hard. There's one of the boys from there,
Speaker 2: Aaron Fury. He just he's leaving for America today to
Speaker 2: go represent Australia. And like the training he does, like
Speaker 2: he's a big man, and god, he trains trains hard.
Speaker 2: We were running together and he was going all right
Speaker 2: for a big guy he was, he was, he's a
Speaker 2: good runner. Rory Booth, he's another one trains. He's got
Speaker 2: Olympic aspirations. And Yeah, to see them go to work
Speaker 2: and get fit, it's it's it's pretty bloody impressive and
Speaker 2: they're doing it for the love. But Rory won his
Speaker 2: fight last fight. I went and watched Rory won his
Speaker 2: fight and he goes, yeah, won sixty bucks. So all
Speaker 2: this training they fund them and that they do. They
Speaker 2: get a bit of sponsorship here and there, but it's
Speaker 2: all funded by himself and he was Stokes. He won
Speaker 2: sixty bucks, cost me forty five to get in for
Speaker 2: the fight.
Speaker 1: And we've also got some proper profiles Here've got the
Speaker 1: main event, Per's very own w A boxing Jackson England
Speaker 1: Verus Sydney, gay Lane Taylor for the IBF PAN Pacific Belt.
Speaker 1: Then the co main event Ben Innis and Richard Lockett
Speaker 1: local boys for the a MBF Australasian Belt. So plenty
Speaker 1: of stuff there. Obviously, the great Ryan Kong and James
Speaker 1: Lindley are the promoters. We've got two weeks to go.
Speaker 1: It's going to be great. Do you have any any
Speaker 1: final messages for Boomer?
Speaker 2: Get ready? Son? Get ready? Like you will see what
Speaker 2: the roof of r C looks like.
Speaker 1: Have you picked a walkout song at all?
Speaker 2: I have say that okay, that quiet? Okay?
Speaker 1: Keep yeah right.
Speaker 3: So obviously you wanted to fight an next West Coast player.
Speaker 3: I think I heard on the radio throwing names like
Speaker 3: Ben Cousins around people like that.
Speaker 1: No one came to the to the party.
Speaker 2: No, no, So obviously because of the past instances, I
Speaker 2: first wanted to call that gap. I said, the boys
Speaker 2: get on a gas. Yeah yeah, yeah, Benny cousin. I
Speaker 2: rang Benny and just said, what do you reckoned? But
Speaker 2: he had shoulder surgery a few months ago and the
Speaker 2: ser said, noah ma, he just fright.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We hit up everyone similar weight and height and was
Speaker 2: actually Mark Lakra showed a bit of interest, but he's
Speaker 2: up north doing his fishing show, so he was he
Speaker 2: was ruled out.
Speaker 1: It would have been a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Smalls. Yeah, we actually on the field we used
Speaker 2: to go at each other pretty hard because he's got
Speaker 2: a bit of shit in him too, but off the field,
Speaker 2: like he's actually a good fella. We've we've done a
Speaker 2: few of functions together. But yeah, it's like crossing the
Speaker 2: crossing the white line at footy once you get in
Speaker 2: the ring, mates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a job almost like all respect goes out the window,
Speaker 1: and too after the fight there's another respect.
Speaker 2: It's more like the nice, the nice. I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not your friend. When I was on the field, I'm
Speaker 2: not their friend. I'm there to win a game. I'll
Speaker 2: shake out half of the game, but until then, I
Speaker 2: want to hurt you. You probably want to hurt me.
Speaker 2: Same as in the ring, gloves are on, let's it's on,
Speaker 2: let's let's dance.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon? It's in your favor that it's in
Speaker 1: your own backyard, it's in Perth.
Speaker 2: Oh not really, It's just a ring like same as footing.
Speaker 2: It's just a footy O. If you if you try
Speaker 2: and if you think of it that way, you're just
Speaker 2: trying to make an excuse. Really, So does.
Speaker 1: It get you up and about fighting in front of
Speaker 1: a crowd rather than just inspiring in the gym.
Speaker 2: Maybe when I get there, it'll probably I'll probably get
Speaker 2: a couple of butterflies. But I never used to get
Speaker 2: nervous because I used to prepare well and I think
Speaker 2: I'm prepared really well for this, Like I trained hard
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty pretty fit, so I think, yeah, I
Speaker 2: never really get nervous for games. I used to hate
Speaker 2: driving to the game. I just needed to to get
Speaker 2: Once I got there, I was calm, I was sweet,
Speaker 2: I'm there, not going be late. I can get on
Speaker 2: the ground, get you know, touch touch the grass on
Speaker 2: my feet and feel good. But yeah, they're getting Just
Speaker 2: just get me there, get me there, and I'll do the.
Speaker 1: Rest after this fight, would there be any opportunity to
Speaker 1: do another? Or do you reckon you?
Speaker 2: I've actually been hit up by a couple of people.
Speaker 2: But we'll just get through this one first. Get through this.
Speaker 1: See how we go through the wind? Yeah? I like it.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we can't be there. We're down south for Dealer's birthday.
Speaker 1: We would love to have come.
Speaker 2: But live streaming and live streaming it well, pop it
Speaker 2: on live stream from one of the wineries. Here you go.
Speaker 1: That sounds good. We will be actually going down probably
Speaker 1: on that day.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny about live stream little story. I took
Speaker 2: my the youngest daughter. She kind of misses out. She
Speaker 2: gets dragged a pony club and gym. She actually said
Speaker 2: something one day. I said, what do you want to do? Oh,
Speaker 2: you tell me and we'll go do whatever you want
Speaker 2: to do. Is I want to go to Bali's. Actually
Speaker 2: got good cheap flights and went over to Bali and
Speaker 2: my horse was racing that weekend and we went to Atlantis.
Speaker 2: I think it's called the Speech Club because there was
Speaker 2: the Bali Gecko has had a big tournament. Cool, So
Speaker 2: we went down there.
Speaker 1: A few beers.
Speaker 2: I said, what do you reckon you? Reckon they can
Speaker 2: get the races up on the big you know, the
Speaker 2: big screen above the pool. So we had Calgoley races
Speaker 2: up in the pool and it kept cutting out and
Speaker 2: he hit the front with about two hundred ago. He
Speaker 2: won the race and the yeah, the fucking live stream
Speaker 2: cut out. But then afterwards the price come up.
Speaker 1: That would have been a good day. It was.
Speaker 2: It was so good like live racing from Calgooley.
Speaker 1: That's a I love that hat. Just before we wrap up,
Speaker 1: we've got one question we asked all of our Yes,
Speaker 1: this it's a pretty loaded question, but how would you
Speaker 1: like to be remembered.
Speaker 2: Someone that never took a backward step?
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I think that's been proven.
Speaker 1: That's probably the most short, sharp and just cut to
Speaker 1: the chase answer we've had, and I love it. Yeap, cheers.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I'm That's what I like. Don't shy
Speaker 2: away from anything.
Speaker 1: I love that backward steps. Thank you very much, thanks
Speaker 1: for coming on, and yeah, I hope you enjoyed it. Guys. Cheers, cheers,