WEBVTT - Horses, Hits and Haymakers: Hayden Ballantyne Uncut- #271 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome to pers number one podcast. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.200 You're listening to the Jamo and Dylan Show. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.959 Yeah, yeah, we're on the way that Dance Bra Little 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.880 Man Trip with before celeb. Goodday, guys, and welcome back 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:13.920 to the Jammu and Dylan Show. Today we have a 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.480 very special guest, one of my favorite footballers at all time, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.200 being a doctor's man myself. It's Hayden Valentine. Welcome to 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:19.560 the show. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:21.000 Thanks for thanks having me. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.759 So plenty coming up for you. We'll get onto that 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.239 in a bit. Balers is going to be having a fight. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.760 You'll be fighting Boomer Boomer Harvey, Brent Harvey, games record 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.600 holder for the AFL, and that'll be a great fight 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.040 that's coming up in a couple of weeks. Time. Are 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:36.640 you excited? 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.720 Yeah? Pumped. I was a bit nervous when we threw 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.479 out the challenge to some ex players. No one has 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.959 taking me out, but Boom has jumped on board. He's 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.520 done a bit of training for boxing for a while, 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.000 so he's he's wanted to do one for a while, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.960 he said, So he's yeah, he's pretty excited. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.320 That's really exciting and similar like heightened weight, is it? 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.640 Yeah, So we're fighting at I forget the weight category 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.120 super middle or something like that, so seventy six seventy 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.319 six kilos, but yeah, I lost I lost six kilos 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.360 in my first month of training, so I'll have no 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:10.039 problem with the way. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.440 And you're telling us before you started that it was 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.319 just through all the hard work, wasn't it, Because you're 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:15.600 still eating like you want to. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.199 I'm eating more really like I've eaten like I'm still 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.720 playing footy. But but yeah, it's just the training. It's 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.200 different type of fitness. I was fit when I was playing, 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.840 but now I've got a similar level of fitness, just 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.320 just different, like, yeah, my tanks a lot better. I 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.759 wish I did more boxing while I was playing Elite. 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.640 That's good because we watched some promo stuff like for 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.279 the fight, and you did do a lot of boxing 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.440 when you were playing, which is good preparation. I guess 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.759 you've been doing it for years. And did you ever 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.559 when you were playing have any like spars, like proper 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:47.440 spars with people? 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.840 Yeah, a couple of times. So the first time we 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:55.200 did sparring it was my first year and we got 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.640 beat by Melbourne. We're up by thirty points at halftime. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:01:59.639 I wasn't playing. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:01:59.920 I was. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:05.720 I think I was injured or maybe suspended. But we 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.440 got rolled Austin Wamiri. He kicked four in the second 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:14.160 half and beat us. So I had to. Mark Harvey said, 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.480 get your gloves, get your mouth guards down to Springer's 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.760 gym and have a punch on. So and my first 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.519 my opponent was Roger Hayden, who could fairly fairly go. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.680 So I got in the ring and was throwing a 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.520 few and he hit me with one and I just 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.480 i'd raised a bit, like I've got a bit of 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.080 a tweak, and I raised and started throwing haymakers and 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.840 gave Roger a shiner. I felt a bit bad afterwards, 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.840 but yeah, we had a couple of little sparring sessions 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.400 like that. Also was a punishment more than fitness for 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.559 not playing that we should. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:55.160 Which coach had the harshest punishments, I would say Ross 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.200 was harsh and it's not intentionally punishing you. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.720 But every every Monday post the posts review or sorry, 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.200 the post game review, we'd have a slide, all these 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.840 slides of our trademark what's expected and what's not expected, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.360 and if you were on the what's not expected, that 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.560 was the biggest punishment because you've let your team down, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.280 and that's I hated. I love being on the good side, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.679 like run down. And it was never it was never 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.040 a great mark or a great kick that he highlighted. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.040 It was the rundown tackles, that putting your head over 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.880 the ball, the blocking for your teammates and stuff that 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.480 I naturally did anyway. I enjoyed the physicality of that. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.440 I was mostly on the good side, but if there 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.200 was there was one occasion where I I remember, I 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.080 didn't chase out. I thought he was going to kick 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.440 the ball, so I stopped chasing and then he continued 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.920 on and set up a goal and I was showed 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:55.640 on that and I thought, fuck, I don't want to 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.960 be in this again. So from then on, I just yeah, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.320 every not from then on, I generally gave everything anyway, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.200 but I just thought, that's that's it's a great highlight 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.040 for everyone else. I give you best, and yeah, and 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.360 you'll be recognized by your peers that you're doing everything 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:14.000 you can to win. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.080 And I guess that stuff would stick in your head too. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.960 If you've made that mistake, you know not to do 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.760 it again. Yeah, So I guess it is a good thing. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.600 It seems like Ross's mellowed out a little bit in 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.240 the media and stuff lately. He seems to be a 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.560 bit different. Maybe he's changed his ways, or maybe he's 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:27.480 just putting on the front. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.760 I highly doubt that. Yeah, I wouldn't know, but knowing 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.520 Ross very very well, I highly doubt that. But in 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.680 saying in saying that as well, there's a couple that 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.680 I don't have many regrets playing football, Like I always 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.640 play with my heart on my sleeve and that. But 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.279 the couple of regrets I do have are things that 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.400 no one else would have seen and no one would 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.919 have picked up. But another one was in my last season, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.160 I didn't chase It was just a I didn't chase 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.360 out like I would normally do because we're playing getting 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.120 smashed by g w s and a couple of teammates 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.280 for not pulling their weight as well, I thought, fuck 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.040 what am I doing? And I remember, I remember I 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.400 made the decisions to not chase off. What am I doing? 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.600 Like I can pull your head in, that's not what 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.599 you do. And the other one, I've said this before, 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.280 it's my first season. Maddie Scarlett stuck his knee and 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.719 perhaps back and I didn't go remonstrate, and I thought 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.279 that will never happen again either. And yeah, stuff that 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.279 no one else would have seen, but I remember it 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.080 and not what I want to be remembered for. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:30.000 Just want to backtrack to your childhood, your upbringing, tell 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.719 us where it was, what it was about, and yeah 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:33.479 we'll go from there. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.520 Yes, I grew up in belt Ivers, went to belt 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.000 I was primary school. My wife also went to belt 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:45.680 Ivers Primary school. She's a couple of years three years younger. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.200 But I played footy with her brother. He's a year 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.040 younger and was a small town. He had a mixed 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.239 age group, so you know, thirteens and fourteen it's played together. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.000 So we played a bit of footy together. Yeah. My dad. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.520 My dad's a horse trainer. So I started riding truck 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.080 work when I was twelve. Technically I'm meant to, but 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:06.880 yeah I was. I was riding a bit of work 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.080 when I was twelve, so which put me in good 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.680 stead because it's hard work to control a five and 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.480 a kilo animal. So it built up a good strong 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.719 core for me and built a bit of strength just 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.680 by doing something that I like doing. And first horse 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.280 over galloped. My favorite of a big gray horse is 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.160 beautiful horse and my favorite. And I said, Dad, let 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:26.640 me gallop him. He he goes, you won't be able to 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.920 hold him, I said, will were meybeing a smart ass. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.840 So I got on and he's let me go and 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.400 we're going up the hill and he's gone. This horse 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.599 has just bolted on me. I couldn't stop him, and 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.599 all here his dad just steer, just steer us. That's 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.159 all I could do. I was just trying to steer 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.159 this horse. And he got back to the barn and 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.800 he just stopped and walked into the into the tile. So, yeah, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.600 it was, it was. It was a hard working upbringing, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.080 but I think that's it's put me in good stead. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.080 I enjoy hard work. And yeah, I used to get 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.040 a few kicks in the ass, but I got taugh 0:06:59.120 --> 0:06:59.960 to a good work. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.640 Okay. I think what about the first time you played footy? 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.680 Were you playing from like six years old? Was it 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:05.599 something that came a bit later? 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.920 Yeah, I was kick played be I was. I was 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.320 kicking my pop. My pop was probably the main driver 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.640 for football for me. He loved footy. Mad West Coast supporter, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.640 I was a West Coast spporter growing up. Unfortunately, I amate. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.920 To deal before like Jordan Clark was, we had him 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.440 on the show. A lot of people are but once 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:23.160 you're in the industry. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.320 When I was a kid, they were the only w 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:30.080 A side, so you know, waffle wasn't really a thing 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.480 then because West Coast had come in, so I was. 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.280 I followed West Coast and yeah, Pop took me to 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.880 most of my footy games. Yeah, I was kick I 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.960 don't remember a whole lot. I remember I got sent 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.760 off ones because I saw the umpire who's one of 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:51.000 the dads. So you've always been yeah, but I always 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.920 knew I was. I was pretty handy at football. It 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.880 was just my stature that let me down. I was 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.320 always the shortest. That's why were number one because that 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.200 was the smallest jersey. Yeah that is smallest jersey started 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.000 from number one, that went up from there, so that's 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.640 why I was always number one. But you always loved foot. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.200 He always had a foot in my hand when I 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.800 was a kid, and yeah, something I was always hoping 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.480 to Well, I kind of had a choice and Dad 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.080 said to this, if you want to play footy, start 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.520 doing weight, start running, and that if you want to 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.640 be a jockey, stop eating and lose some weight and 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.520 be a jockey. And yeah, luckily I pulled the right 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:27.760 rain and chose footy. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.640 At least you're involved in racing now. So although you 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.280 missed out on I guess being a jockey, you were 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.319 still doing track work and stuff. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.440 Like that prior to that. Yeah, prior to that for 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.400 a few years anyway. And then school wasn't really for me, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.280 you know, like I said, a bit of a shit ied. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.360 Teachers didn't like me too much. I didn't like them 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:54.520 too more the authority of it. But I finished school 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.240 year ten, got a ball to maker World or apprenticeship. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.960 So that's yeah, what I what I did is a trade. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.320 I had a few odd jobs here and there while 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.600 I was still playing waffle waffle footy coming through the ranks. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.200 And when I was eighteen, I was thinking I had 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.680 a pretty good eighteen's Carnival, thinking I was going to 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:18.280 get drafted. Didn't, which was pretty shattering, but I didn't 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.360 bitch about it. I just got on the horse, trained hard, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.080 had three years of waffle waffle footy, and my third 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.680 year I had a really good year and pretty much 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.840 gave most clubs no option but to give me a go. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.640 What it takes seventy goals, right to get seventy six? 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.400 You know what, I got seventy six. They marked me 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.719 down in the records or whatever is seventy five, so 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:42.600 they've ripped me one off there. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.160 That's not good. Sandover medal that year as well. What 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.839 was it like your time at Peel? 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.520 I loved it. I loved the club. You know, They've 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.720 given me so much, give me the opportunities, the people like. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.640 I'm great mates with a lot of those boys that 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.240 I played with, going over to Canada for one of 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.240 their weddings next month. So it's yeah, I made some 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.440 lifelong friendships, but we weren't very good. But I never 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.959 never recognized that much, so I just didn't. I loved 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.200 it and I wanted to drive the club as much 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.320 as I could and win as many games as I could. Yeah, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.720 two thousand and eight obviously had a really good season. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.880 Kicked a lot of goals and played played a good game. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.240 And Chris Wardman was a big driver of that because 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.920 the two previous years I played midfield and went good. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.000 Like the year before, I think I finished fourth in 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.000 the Sandover. I was nineteen or something and playing midfield, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.440 you know, getting plenty of the ball, still kicked thirty 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.320 five or something goals, so I had a relatively good season, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.920 but still didn't get picked up. So he said go 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.080 play forward and Tranda's small forward, and so I did that, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.080 and being a midfield I knew how to find the ball. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.000 And the one thing I worked I used to get 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.040 to training in our earlier and I'd have fifty sixty 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.160 shots because that was one thing that kind of me 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.920 down a bit, was finish. So I just made that, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.760 just tried to master that as much as I could, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 and it definitely paid off because the first half of 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.280 the year, yeah, I was I was I don't want 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.680 to sound too bigetter, but I was flying. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.920 Yeah that's elite and getting picked up that year, so 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.040 you knew you had a good year. Was their interest 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.480 that you knew of from other clubs? Did you meet 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.520 with a few clubs? How did that work? 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:30.280 Yes? I had interviews and so they are all sorts 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.480 of psyched tests and stuff like that. So majority of 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.760 the clubs I had some sort of contact with, but 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:43.839 the main main interest was from Hawthorne, Port, Adelaide, West 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.120 Coast and Frio. They were the four main ones. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.360 How interesting it would have been if it was Hawthorne. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.880 Yeah, well, they were gonna they were going to use 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.120 their first pick that picked seventeen. I think it was 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.480 on me and that would have Yeah, it would have 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.000 been unreal. The only one I wasn't too keen on 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.400 is Adelade. There's a whole lot gone on Adelaide. 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:02.679 But that deal was actually in Adelaide's sport. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.839 Yeah, yeah, that's the one one. You know. I would 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.240 have loved to go to any club, just get on 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.240 a list and you know, give me a chance. Really, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.160 so I wouldn't have honestly, wouldn't have bothered me. But 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.040 if I had a choice, I would have preferred Victoria 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.680 or stay stay in the home state. But West Coast 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.840 said they were going to use pick twenty. They they passed, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:21.640 and then who. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.480 Did they pick instead? 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.760 Tom Swift? Oh, Tom Swift him and then twenty one 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.320 for pick me up. So yeah, I was in Cigart 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.600 Harbor Mark Pink he was. He put a breakfast on 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.200 and had a few friends around and the name got 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.679 called out and it was well, I kind of was 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.360 a bit emotional, but more relieve, like the hard work pay. 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.920 Yeah, it probably hid a little bit different considering your 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.560 draft or you missed out when you're was there at 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.000 any point you were thinking maybe it won't happen. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.880 A little bit. Yeah, like for those first two years 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 as a midfielder. But then when I got that niche 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.720 in the forward line and went so well, I thought, 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.679 there's if they if they don't pick me up, then yeah, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.080 there's something something wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I had a really 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.040 good year. But yeah I was when they called my 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.760 name out. It was but then it was almost an 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.880 instant feeling of right, right now, I'm going to show 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.960 these pricks they should have picked me up three years. Yeah. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.839 So everyone and I just got to work straight away, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.160 and I was just very great. I think because I 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.240 was in the real world for a few years. I 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.200 actually had a nine to five job. I had to 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.760 go to training at four point thirty when everyone else 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.719 was there at five point thirty. I had to do 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.640 extra and I I know, yeah, I had to live 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.840 the real real world life for a few years, so 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.000 I appreciated it. I'm not saying that, you know, younger 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.120 draftees don't appreciate it, but I think I just had 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:54.520 that extra appreciation because yeah, there's no albeit, it's hard 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.040 work and a pre season. I definitely prefer that than 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.120 being in a factory worlding. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.880 Yeah, yeah for sure. Yep. What were your first memories 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.400 of going to Frio? Who were I guess your first 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.400 mates at the club and just some stories around that. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.880 Yeah. I was drafted with Nick Suban, Stephen Hill, Michael Walters, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:15.680 Greg Broughton. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.800 Pretty good draft crop. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.880 We had forteen come in forteen in that season between 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.160 the draft and the rookie list, and I already knew 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.800 Gregory Broughton and we're already kind of kind of mates. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.960 We had a few sessions after we played Subiaco a 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.440 few times. I knew him quite well, so we had 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.440 a good connection straight away. And the senior players, i'd 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.880 actually played against a few of them in the Waffle, 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:41.360 so it's kind of like they, you know, I was 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.760 part of their team now, but they still, you know, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.040 we're like a bit iffy about me. Yeah, if there 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.280 was an AFL player playing in the Waffle, they were 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.320 a target for me and I really went hard at 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.680 him and there's a bit, I suppose a little bit 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.040 sour because I got on top of him sometimes, but 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.240 but yeah, once once I got to training and I 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.720 really showed what I had in training. I trained really 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.880 hard and I think a lot of them appreciated it. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.200 And Aaron sand Lands he was the other one. Like 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.640 we just bonded pretty quickly. Like I've said before, We've 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.880 got a similar IQ, we go on a similar wavelength, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.040 so we were pretty tight straight away as well. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.920 Yeah, do you reckon that helps Sandy country? 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.800 He's a country mount barker. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.440 Do you reckon that helps you get along with him? 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.119 Because there's that I guess real world experience. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.280 Yeah, I think so, because he also was drafted as 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.000 a nineteen year old, so he had a year in 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.240 the real world as well. He used to mow lawns 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.360 with his old man before going to training. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:39.880 It doesn't even a business around that now. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.880 Yeah, he's got a gecko contracting. They're quite Actually drove 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.360 past one of one of them going the Verge Way 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.080 on the way here, so he's you wouldn't him ride on? 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:55.880 He is literally he doesn't fit too well. But but yeah, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.400 he's one of the nicest people ever met. But again, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.760 he appreciates being on a list because he's been in 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.120 the real world and like his work ethic was second 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:06.520 to none. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.240 Yeah, who are some of the other best blokes like 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.840 your closest mates from from Footy. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.840 Clubs Kepler Bradley is one of the funniest men. He 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.120 You know, he should be doing a podcast because he 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.560 just the stories he's got and the way he tells 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.200 his stories, it's just it's just hilarious and he's Yeah, 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.240 he's one. You could just spend a whole afternoon having 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.560 a few beers listening to him to ship and you're 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.040 just you're being stitches laughing because yeah, we would hang 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.520 out quite a bit. We had a couple of trips 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.760 away and yeah, he was he was very good value. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.800 Zachie Dawson Lee spur favorite saying is shut up Spur 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:48.480 because he just talks too much. Yeah, Mickey Barlow, Yeah, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.640 pretty much everyone you went to war with week after week, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:57.000 you just had this bond, like certain players that you 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.920 knew were going to give everything for you just had that. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.480 I just had that instant respect for him, and I 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.119 think you know, they reciprocated that as well with me 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.200 because they knew what they were going to get every week. 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.960 So blokes that you went in and went to war 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.480 with every week. You just you had a respect for 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.800 him and you enjoyed their company off the field because 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.960 you fought so hard on the footy field. When you 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.680 go and let your hair down and have a beer, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.560 you like hanging out with them for sure. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.240 Who do you think your most underrated teammate on field 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:25.920 that you played with your career. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.919 He might not like me saying he's underrated, but David Munday, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.520 he was such a good player, Like I think you 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.840 only had one all Australian, where in my eyes, he's 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:45.320 as good as a Scott Pendlebury. Smooth mover, beautiful kick, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:50.440 beautiful decision maker. Everything they look, the way they see 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.120 the game is very similar, Like they're very similar players. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.040 Like they're both actually really slow. They can't run very fast, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.400 but time slows down for him on. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.360 The Yeah, it looks like that, doesn't I completely agree. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.199 People are running past pendles or day of Monday and 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.520 they're just running past them and they're just it's like 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.800 finding so much space. Yeah, and they were just Yeah, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.240 he was one that albeit one of you best in 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.000 Ferris and that he's just I think he should be 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.000 right up there with some of the best midfielders going. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.800 Around hundred percent. I feel like that too. His recognition 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.399 kind of only came late, Like he did get a 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.240 lot of recognition towards the back end of his career, 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.280 but like you said, only the one all Australian when. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.639 He was a bit of a slow start, Like it 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.080 took him a few years to really get his niche 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:40.120 in the game. But yes, he's a player you used 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.760 to love leading out because you just knew that's where 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:43.600 it was going to bee. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.879 Do you who are your favorite players in the competition? 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.120 Like do you watch much footy now or not as much? 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.520 I watched the game frustrates me nowt of it because 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.840 they've taken a lot of what I enjoyed out of it. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.320 I was actually gonna ask you that it's written down here, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.879 like what are the aspects? Like Obviously a lot of 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.800 former players don't like the way the game's going because 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.880 a lot of the stuff that you like to do, yeah, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.000 is being taken out. So what are your thoughts on that? 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.760 Well, I just yeah, I can't understand it. The game 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.680 wasn't broken, don't try and fix it. I fully understand, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.280 Like you've got to try and protect the head and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.040 concussions and stuff like that, but I think they've gone 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.440 too far with it. And even the way the umpires umpire, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.840 it's so different week after week. If it was consistent, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.200 and if it was consistent every week with every umpire, yep, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.200