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Speaker 1: Well, hello there. Thank you for joining us on this

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Speaker 1: daily podcast from Body and Soul called Healthish. Of course,

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Speaker 1: in fact, I hope you are feeling really healthy ish today.

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Speaker 1: I am your host of Felicity Hawley. I'm joined today

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Speaker 1: by doctor Gillian Deacon. She is a GP with more

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Speaker 1: than thirty years experience. Now she has treated hundreds of

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Speaker 1: patients for symptoms that are pretty much unexplained by Western medicine.

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Speaker 1: So she decided to write a book to help us

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Speaker 1: all out, to help us make sense of undiagnosed ailments,

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Speaker 1: and she's going to talk to us about all of

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Speaker 1: that today. If you do like what you hear from Jillian,

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Speaker 1: and I know you will make sure you're listening to

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Speaker 1: our full chat on extra healthy Ish, where she talks

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Speaker 1: more about symptoms of functional illnesses. You can catch that

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Jillian, thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us today.

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Speaker 2: On healthy It My pleasure, Felicity.

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Speaker 1: And well done on your new book, No easy Feet

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Speaker 1: writing a book.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, or a thesis or a doctorate, you

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Speaker 1: know you've done them all. Anyway. So many of us,

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Speaker 1: you know, walk around with symptoms of illness. And I

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Speaker 1: know many of our listeners and colleagues and friends of

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Speaker 1: mine struggle to get that medical diagnosis. What can you

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Speaker 1: share your experience, what you've seen over the years with

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Speaker 1: people feeling this way.

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Speaker 2: So every day for the last forty years I've been

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Speaker 2: working as a GP, I've seen people, some of whom

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Speaker 2: have very clear medical diagnoses, and that's my first job.

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Speaker 2: Is this something that is needing medical treatment? Now, you know?

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Speaker 2: And that's the first thing that every doctor wants to

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Speaker 2: address when someone walks in. But I'm telling you that

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Speaker 2: every single day of my life, I see at least

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Speaker 2: two to three people who have symptoms but there is

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Speaker 2: no medical diagnosis. And I've done the due diligence, I

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Speaker 2: promise you, And so then what do we do? That's

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Speaker 2: the question. A lot of the times, patients are left

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Speaker 2: without any answers. And I've written my book for this

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Speaker 2: very group of people who have been to the doctor.

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Speaker 2: The tests have all been done, they've been told of

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Speaker 2: things normal, but they're still unwell. So that's where that's

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Speaker 2: where I like to start the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I feel like so many of us been in this situation,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, with a long term illness or

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Speaker 1: something you know that's just risen and passes, it's functional illness.

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Speaker 1: You refer to this term as how do you describe that?

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Speaker 2: Look? Functional illness. It's a lousy term, but there isn't

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Speaker 2: really any better. They get caught, these symptoms get caught

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Speaker 2: all sorts of things. One thing, the nicest term is

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Speaker 2: actually just simply persistent symptoms, brackets, no diagnosis, persistent symptoms.

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Speaker 2: That's actually a really simple way of explaining it. I'm

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Speaker 2: using the word functional just to differentiate it from symptoms

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Speaker 2: connected to a proven disease. That's the way I am

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Speaker 2: using the term functional symptoms. That can be any symptom.

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Speaker 2: But you've mentioned some of the common ones, you know,

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Speaker 2: fatigue or nausea, headache, pains, dizziness, tingling. People get many,

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Speaker 2: many symptoms and all the tests come back normal. So

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Speaker 2: I'd like to say that I've done the research. I've

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Speaker 2: gone all around the world, studying research in a lot

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Speaker 2: of the centers who treat functional conditions, and I've put

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Speaker 2: together a simplified version of where the research is at.

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Speaker 2: Now that's what my book's about. I think I can

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Speaker 2: and I've put it in language I think is pretty

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Speaker 1: Test that I'm halfway through the book, and yes it is.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy to understand. It can be incredibly frustrating

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Speaker 1: as a patient and you come up against it. You

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Speaker 1: know you want that diagnosis, but then there isn't one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what sort of words of wisdom do you

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Speaker 1: have to people who are struggling with something like this.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I shouldn't let people know about

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Speaker 2: all the medical diagnosis. There is not actually any training

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Speaker 2: except in Germany. There are guidelines, formal guidelines, so GPS

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Speaker 2: got any diagnosis, Off you go take it easy. See

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Speaker 2: me again. If you've got any problems, it's very unsatisfactory.

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Speaker 2: So there aren't any guidelines, but I've done my very

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Speaker 2: and that's what I've done, so I understand people's frustration.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to these functional conditions. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people, you know, put it on stress, because I

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Speaker 1: suppose stress is hard to pinpoint as well. Body's response

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Felicity. You've read in my book that

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Speaker 2: I don't use the word stress. I find it very unhelpful.

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Speaker 2: It's not a term that helps to get people better. Right.

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Speaker 2: So ah, look, sometimes you can say some people can say, look,

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Speaker 2: I was really stressed just before my exam and I

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Speaker 2: or something like that. Okay, there's a stress relation. Everyone

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Speaker 2: can understand that. One an exam finishes, the tummy settles down. Okay,

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Speaker 2: But what if you wake up and you've got chest

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Speaker 2: the doctors are saying it's stress. That's really problematic. So

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Speaker 2: what I've tried to do my book is to explain

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Speaker 2: I've tried to say that the body has to deal

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Speaker 2: with whatever is happening to it. So it can be

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Speaker 2: an illness, it can be an operation. It can be

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Speaker 2: worry about you know, your sick, ranny or something. It

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Speaker 2: can be a vaccination. It can be poor sleep habits.

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Speaker 2: It can be competitive sports pushing the body beyond its

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Speaker 2: natural limits. It can be nearly anything. So anything that

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Speaker 2: puts the body under strain and stress is what I

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Speaker 2: commonplace events in their life. You know, long hours of work,

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of factors that come into play,

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Speaker 2: and sure enough, if you stack them all up, you

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Speaker 2: get sick. You may notice in the book there's stories

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Speaker 2: a number of pretty commonplace events that they would not

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Speaker 2: sort of using this other term. Yeah, and that's some

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Speaker 2: a little bit and see, well, yes, things are happening.

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Speaker 1: So the big question for you to answer in a

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Speaker 2: Right? Well, the first thing is to have done your

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Speaker 2: people are upset about that. I think that's great. I

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Speaker 2: think that means your body is actually healthy. I use

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Speaker 2: software problem that means you need a little reprogramming, a reboot,

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Speaker 2: a restart, and how to do that is sometimes extremely simple.

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Speaker 2: Simply hearing that it's only a functional symptom helps people

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Speaker 2: to recover and give themselves a bit of time. Some

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Speaker 2: people need a whole multidisabriline, new teams, psychologists, physiotherapists, speech therapists,

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Speaker 2: a whole team of people. There are places where people

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Speaker 2: are admitted. Those units are quite rare, unfortunately, but so

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Speaker 2: it is complicated, so every single person needs their own

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Speaker 2: very unique treatment. I want to put a big plug

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Speaker 2: in for my alternate practitioner colleagues because I think they

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Speaker 2: have a lot to offer in this space. And I

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Speaker 2: think if you go to someone to say the doctors say,

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Speaker 2: there's quote nothing wrong with me, but I have this

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Speaker 2: symptom a lot of times. A good yoga practitioner, someone

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Speaker 2: who can take you out to help you learn to

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Speaker 2: settle your or settle your physiology down by learning massage

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Speaker 2: or having a massage or having doing some Shei gung

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Speaker 2: many any many strategies can help to begin the healing process.

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Speaker 2: And I say begin it because it does take time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Gillian, well done on your book, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming unhealthy it.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure for listening.

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Speaker 1: I am sure many of you could appreciate what Gillian

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Speaker 1: was talking about and have probably felt those symptoms and

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Speaker 1: want to read more about well how to recover from paying, fatigue, weakness,

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Speaker 1: and all those other symptoms, grab it Jillian's new book.

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Speaker 1: It is out now. It is called What the Hell

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Speaker 1: Is Wrong with Me? If you did enjoy this chat,

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